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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:25:00 -
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-T-shirts $1 -Shirts and Blouses $2 -Pants and Skirts $3 -Custom ear ring $4 -Leather Jackets $5 -Spectacles $5 -Helmets $6
-Monocle $70 -Giant Gold Necklace $70
Most people would have been cool with a few super expensive items whose purpose was to flaunt wealth - if the majority of the Nex market had been aimed at normal players.
I suspect they actually would have sold more monocles under this plan than they did under the current plan.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 28/06/2011 14:32:23
Originally by: Ghoest -T-shirts $1 -Shirts and Blouses $2 -Pants and Skirts $3 -Custom ear ring $4 -Leather Jackets $5 -Spectacles $5 -Helmets $6
-Monocle $70 -Giant Gold Necklace $70
Most people would have been cool with a few super expensive items whose purpose was to flaunt wealth - if the majority of the Nex market had been aimed at normal players.
I suspect they actually would have sold more monocles under this plan than they did under the current plan.
Agreed. The reaction from the customers was due to the majority being completely excluded from the NeX. Had CCP made it sufficiently accessible then a lot of people would be playing dress up instead of raging. But, what CCP did was more or less tell most of their customers, "You're not worthy".
The reality for CCP is, while it's impossible to appeal to everyone and make them happy, they need to try.
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Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:32:00 -
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Pants are $1000. Everyone knows that.
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Laine Todako
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:39:00 -
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if this was changed like so:
-T-shirts $2 -Shirts and Blouses $3 -Pants and Skirts $4 -Custom ear ring $7 -Leather Jackets $10 -Spectacles $10 -Helmets $12
This would interest me and I would buy.
I wonder if the nex was badly received because people were anticipating it and looking forward to using it then saw it was way too expensive and all the anticipation was redirected into anger? Just a thought.
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Farelle
Gallente Core Impulse Auctorita Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Farelle on 28/06/2011 14:42:15
Originally by: Laine Todako if this was changed like so:
-T-shirts $2 -Shirts and Blouses $3 -Pants and Skirts $4 -Custom ear ring $7 -Leather Jackets $10 -Spectacles $10 -Helmets $12
This would interest me and I would buy.
I wonder if the nex was badly received because people were anticipating it and looking forward to using it then saw it was way too expensive and all the anticipation was redirected into anger? Just a thought.
for some thats a definite possibility, in my case it was the news letter and email that sent me through the roof though, I could care less about fashion item prices. (I would love a 'corp logo on ship item mind, but thats as far as it goes)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest -T-shirts $1 -Shirts and Blouses $2 -Pants and Skirts $3 -Custom ear ring $4 -Leather Jackets $5 -Spectacles $5 -Helmets $6
-Monocle $70 -Giant Gold Necklace $70
Most people would have been cool with a few super expensive items whose purpose was to flaunt wealth - if the majority of the Nex market had been aimed at normal players.
I suspect they actually would have sold more monocles under this plan than they did under the current plan.
Who says we won't see even $0.50 jackets in a couple of months ? _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:44:00 -
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Why no fake pirate disguise for a dollar?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:46:00 -
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The reason the Nex is failing so badly is that they released the expensive **** first, and only the expensive ****. If there was a blend across all price ranges it would have been received much, much better.
Someone in Iceland really needs a smack on the back of the head for not realizing this.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lara Dantreb on 28/06/2011 14:46:53 So all this noise is just because NEX items cost too muck isks ? you don't have enough isks ? You would have to spend real cash to purchase PLEX ? you too want a t-shirt and pants to look smart and wealthy ?
NEX is for players who buy PLEX with isks, not for those who buy isks with PLEX. Period
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SomeHardLovin
Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:50:00 -
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Yes but then they would be giving up their plan of:
- Sucking excess ISK out of the game by the truckload - Making enough money to buy a new microwave for the staff kitchen
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:50:00 -
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I put a note in my original post.
This thread was only about "$70 that crazy" anger. The response to the internal news letter about expanding NEX to stuff that matters in game is separate cause of angst. |
Liastr
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose Why no fake pirate disguise for a dollar?
And so the campaign for an eye patch and a parrot pet begins!
Personally, I could consider a cat and some chic specs, not willing to pay any more than $5 for the specs or $10-$15 for the cat, though.... and here I am, not a huge fan of microtransactions- but still there are things I would buy at the right price. But for the love of EVE, vanity only. |
Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Khamelean on 28/06/2011 14:56:31 Edited by: Khamelean on 28/06/2011 14:55:27 If the initial releases in the nex store had of been priced as you suggested, there would likely have been high demand for them from players, but most players would have chosen to buy them with isk rather than buy a new plex, there are plenty of plex on the market as is.
When you increase demand for an item of limited supply, the price goes up. The is value of plex is important to the eve market for a number of reason, not the least of which it can be used to gage the real world value of in game items. Drastic increases in the price of plex lowers the real world value of isk, lowering the value of everything else in the eve game world. By settings the initial prices in the nex store as they have they limited demand and kept the value of plex relatively stable, Now they can add additional items to the store at lower prices points with out catastrophically altering the in game market.
If there was any doubt in your mind over which CCP values more, the integrity of the game or a little extra cash, this alone should put you at ease. CCP could have made a bunch more cash if they head released cheap items. You make more money selling lots of cheap things than you doing selling only a few expensive things. On the other hand they would have completely screwed the in game economy.
It was a very smart move on CCP's part to release them like this, even if it wasn't the best communicated. |
Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:52:00 -
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Mr. T gold chain ftw. |
HxChippiewill
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:53:00 -
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The reason why the NeX prices were not rated as such to begin with is because they knew that players had concerns over PLEX prices so they wanted to release the "high-end" stuff first so that it did not adversely effect the prices and then they'd ease into the lower end prices, be patient and it'll come. CCP had player interests at heart with the pricing :) |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Khamelean
It was a very smart move on CCP's part to release them like this, even if it wasn't the best communicated.
No it really wasnt "smart." It might have had a rational basis. But making the initial release of new content so exclusive that many players simply saw it as impossible(Im not saying players are rational they are what they are) was dumb. |
HxChippiewill
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Khamelean
It was a very smart move on CCP's part to release them like this, even if it wasn't the best communicated.
No it really wasnt "smart." It might have had a rational basis. But making the initial release of new content so exclusive that many players simply saw it as impossible(Im not saying players are rational they are what they are) was dumb.
Not destroying the PLEX market for several months on end was actually smart. |
Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kirkland Langue on 28/06/2011 15:07:08 Idiot. The problem isn't the PRICES of the NEX items, the problem is the CURRENCY used. Nex Items should have been ISK cost - not this crappy new currency.
The more I read about the issue, the more I've lost respect for Mittani and other CSM members who shrugged the issue off. This game is 100% subscription based, the introduction of Mictrotransactions in ANY form is a step too far. I doubt that CCP will back off from this, so I can only hope that EVE dies to make room for another game manufacturer to try again.
EDIT - and for the record, there is NO distinction between cosmetic and non-cosmetic in an MMO. There can't be; because they are one in the same. Just because cosmetic changes don't add DPS doesn't mean that they don't impact the game play as other Players treat you differently.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tugrath Akers Pants are $1000. Everyone knows that.
Only if Khanid. -
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Falbala
Gallente Ishtar's Destiny
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 28/06/2011 14:48:12 -T-shirts $1 -Shirts and Blouses $2 -Pants and Skirts $3 -Custom ear ring $4 -Leather Jackets $5 -Spectacles $5 -Helmets $6
-Monocle $70 -Giant Gold Necklace $70
Metallic shirt $1 Fluorescent shirt and blouse $2 Plastic pants and skirts $3 Animated planet earring $4 ...
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Khamelean on 28/06/2011 15:05:07
Originally by: Kirkland Langue Idiot. The problem isn't the PRICES of the NEX items, the problem is the CURRENCY used. Nex Items should have been ISK cost - not this crappy new currency.
The more I read about the issue, the more I've lost respect for Mittani and other CSM members who shrugged the issue off. This game is 100% subscription based, the introduction of Mictrotransactions in ANY form is a step too far. I doubt that CCP will back off from this, so I can only hope that EVE dies to make room for another game manufacturer to try again.
So you seriously have a problem with people who make a popular and successful game earning a decent living out of it at the same time? You really have a problem with other people who have more money than sense pouring more money in to developing a game that apparently enjoy? As long as micro transactions are optional, there is no harm done to anyone, think of it as a donation button and you get a pretty eye piece as a bonus.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kirkland Langue Idiot. The problem isn't the PRICES of the NEX items, the problem is the CURRENCY used. Nex Items should have been ISK cost - not this crappy new currency.
The more I read about the issue, the more I've lost respect for Mittani and other CSM members who shrugged the issue off. This game is 100% subscription based, the introduction of Mictrotransactions in ANY form is a step too far. I doubt that CCP will back off from this, so I can only hope that EVE dies to make room for another game manufacturer to try again.
Thats just saying you dont want micro-transactions.
Its cool that your against them(Im personally not fond of them) but that had nothing to do with my point.
My point was NEX micro transactions could have been introduced in manner that didnt alienate most of the player base.
You idiot.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest But making the initial release of new content so exclusive that many players simply saw it as impossible(Im not saying players are rational they are what they are) was dumb.
How many players see supercapitals as something unattainable ? Do they resign and unsub so far ?
Rational players are the real majority of EVE, protesters aren't, just an excited bunch
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Falbala
Gallente Ishtar's Destiny
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Falbala on 28/06/2011 15:07:41 Wearable electronics
Intelligent clothing:
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: HxChippiewill
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Khamelean
It was a very smart move on CCP's part to release them like this, even if it wasn't the best communicated.
No it really wasnt "smart." It might have had a rational basis. But making the initial release of new content so exclusive that many players simply saw it as impossible(Im not saying players are rational they are what they are) was dumb.
Not destroying the PLEX market for several months on end was actually smart.
If they had introduced low price items but not to many of them(and the ability to split Aurum as was initially announced) it wouldnt have ruined the plex market.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:10:00 -
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I was expecting to see this tbh:
ÇÇP stole my heart, damn you
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 28/06/2011 14:48:12 -T-shirts $1 -Shirts and Blouses $2 -Pants and Skirts $3 -Custom ear ring $4 -Leather Jackets $5 -Spectacles $5 -Helmets $6
-Monocle $70 -Giant Gold Necklace $70
Most people would have been cool with a few super expensive items whose purpose was to flaunt wealth - if the majority of the Nex market had been aimed at normal players.
I suspect they actually would have sold more monocles under this plan than they did under the current plan.
EDIT: Im only talking about the unhappiness with NEX price list. The internal memo leak and the hought of buying a non cosmetic items is a separate issue.
Yep something like this would have done much much better. Whoever the dummy was that released it as it is showed be fired :) but the prices was just one piece of the puzzle.
I'd like to see CCP Zulu's research on how many eve players buy 1000 USD pants :)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lara Dantreb
Originally by: Ghoest But making the initial release of new content so exclusive that many players simply saw it as impossible(Im not saying players are rational they are what they are) was dumb.
How many players see supercapitals as something unattainable ? Do they resign and unsub so far ?
Rational players are the real majority of EVE, protesters aren't, just an excited bunch
Players who care about supercaps ussually see them as a goal. To a large degree thats even the case with lesser caps.
Making the entire NEX market of cosmetic items look like a look like a long term goal for the majority of players was alienating.
Imagine how new players would feel if the only options after the starter ship were caps and super caps.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Falbala
Gallente Ishtar's Destiny
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:14:00 -
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:14:00 -
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What would have been "smarter" would have been to release a dev blog stating that the first round of items in the store would be "exclusive" so as not to unbalance the plex market and that they intended to release more items at lower prices points in the future.
The biggest problems with the release of the plex prices is that people assumed that because these items were expensive then all items in the future would be equally costly, which indeed would have been a bad idea. They could have avoided a lot of the heat over this particular issue by simply managing player expectations better.
A video game company that's not great at communicating, who woulda thunk it?
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