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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:01:00 -
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Full of their own importance and absolutely ineffective.
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:01:00 -
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Poorly worded, but true enough.
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:03:00 -
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to the CSM eve only has 1 space. 0.0.. the rest is ignored.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:03:00 -
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CSM is neither.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 28/06/2011 16:51:12
CSM members are sharing the cake with 600 employees. Don't flame them.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:55:00 -
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I don't know if I would call them a "problem". I think "irrelevant" would be the most appropriate term.
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HxChippiewill
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:56:00 -
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 Originally by: OverlordY
to the CSM eve only has 1 space. 0.0.. the rest is ignored.
Probably makes sense though since 0.0 is generally more neglected than empire.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei
Full of their own importance and absolutely ineffective.
I am making a thread about the CSM, will be up soon
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Sellendis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:59:00 -
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Still, CSM says what they have, CCP ignores it completely and go on with their plans.
So whats the point? They are tied with NDA on any future low blows from CCP.
Free Helicity Boson
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Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:00:00 -
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Inflammatory post and a bit premature. This crisis (yes, to many it's a crisis) is exactly WHY we have a CSM. We will have to see how effective they are.
Can we please address the behavior and not the people?
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei
Full of their own importance and absolutely ineffective.
Did you even vote in the CSM elections? If not, then kindly STFU. Have you written to any of the members to tell them you're upset about an issue you want CCP to address? No?
The CSM was never intended as a "decision maker" to dictate policy to CCP. They act somewhat as a liaison between CCP and the Mob of Eve. CCP gives the CSM information to give to us or to approve for dissemination to the Mob. Similarly, the CSM takes information/praise/grievances/ideas and brings them to CCP.
We get to elect them. That's why CCP makes such a big deal out of the CSM elections. Whether or not CCP actually listens to the CSM is another issue entirely (and one of the grievances that the CSM may be addressing, we'll see).
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei
Full of their own importance and absolutely ineffective.
Ineffective because CCP chooses to make them that way.
If I were a CSM, though, I would have made sure to get straight answers.
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Sellendis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Carli Zandrya
Inflammatory post and a bit premature. This crisis (yes, to many it's a crisis) is exactly WHY we have a CSM. We will have to see how effective they are.
Can we please address the behavior and not the people?
And you think CCP needs to ask the CSM on ideas what to do about MT? And CQ issues?
All stuff we were reporting since it was on Duality, then Sisi, then TQ and they didn't give a crap.
I hope i am wrong, but to me this looks just like buying time.
We all wanna hear what CCP has to say on MT issue LIVE, not some devblog or copy/paste of chat 2 weeks later.
Free Helicity Boson
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Cyber Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:10:00 -
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CSM = awesome, don't knock 'em... they have the players interests at heart... and have earned their positions... saying they're only interested in 0.0 is fine... high sec is ccp's baby... look at the last expansions... high sec buffs the lot of them.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:11:00 -
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Forum Posters are problem not solution ..
Without forum posters, there would be no problem in the first place.
My 2cents on fail logic.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Llambda
I don't know if I would call them a "problem". I think "irrelevant" would be the most appropriate term.
It used to be pretty much irrelevant although here they are just working as pr damage control for ccp and will help ccp ruin eve.
I think it would be better if CCP just answered "the question"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541026
That was put to them multiple times instead of playing pr games with a "csm meeting."
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 -
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They did agree with the MT shop in our name.
I don't mind it but was that everyone's opinion .. ?
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William Heart
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:19:00 -
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OP is trollin'. You mad bro?
CSM, thanks for losin' sleep and your own personal free time for the hobby that you love.
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Sellendis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet des Loupes
They did agree with the MT shop in our name.
I don't mind it but was that everyone's opinion .. ?
Players gave them their votes so they represent us. They got a RL Quafe T shirt and we got MT.
And it shows how flawed democracy really is. Votes of 2 imbeciles have more weight than 1 vote of a genius. Add marketing into the campaign and people vote for someone they dont really know crap about.
Free Helicity Boson
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:25:00 -
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The csm was designed to give us the illusion of control.
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Sellendis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
The csm was designed to give us the illusion of control.
^This +1
Free Helicity Boson
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
The csm was designed to give us the illusion of control.
QFT
We are now to believe an illusion wherein ccp doesn't know exactly what they will ultimately concede before this meeting ever starts.
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 -
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lol our fate is in the hands of Mittani (a ****ing goon)
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
The csm was designed to give us the illusion of control.
With the beautiful phrase "transparency". Irony has it they have signed a NDA. And have not enough insight. And get bypassed on info. Yeah, CSM is useless, but that's by design. CCP never allowed them to be what thy were promised to be, what they could be.
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Iden Secundus
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:46:00 -
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CSM:
- handcuffed by NDA
- steered by alliance interests
- and always on ego trip
What will be the result?
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EVE/CPP: we do not milk the cow - we squeeze it
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Bob TheSecond
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:48:00 -
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In lieu of something adding to this "conversation" since I think this is just someone being obnoxious, I give you this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:49:00 -
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This situation is actually a pretty good test of just what the CSM adds to the EvE experience. Let's see what they can do before we judge? I know it's hard not to be cynical about it though.
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F1F2F3
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:57:00 -
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CSM is monocle
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3... |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:58:00 -
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Corporate Sh*t Management
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Iden Secundus
CSM:
- handcuffed by NDA
- steered by alliance interests
- and always on ego trip
What will be the result?
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EVE/CPP: we do not milk the cow - we squeeze it
There are SO many players in HS only that they could easily field a candidate or two and get them on the CSM. I for one voted for a non-0.0 candidate, nothing stops others from doing the same.
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