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The Huffarunier
Gallente
The Real OC
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:03:00 -
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Over at FHC there is talk thatZulu bagged the CSM to support Plex for Remap as part of their MT Store. As much as I HATE anything that has to do with an MT store or anything that changes gameplay - I think i'm ok with PLEX for remap given the following also occure:
1). Everyone gets 2 remaps a year, either spaced 1 every six months or two at the beginning of each year.
2). Jump Clones can be used twice within a 24 hour period.
Give me those two things and I'll approve of Plex for remap. Not that I would use it myself but I think it would balance out.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:07:00 -
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No, I am absolutely against this. This is effectively trading real money to generate skill points. It is an unacceptable thing in a game like EVE, where consequences are supposed to mean something.
PLEX for remaps was a bad idea last Fall, and it remains a bad idea to this day. Just because CCP can come up with worse ideas doesn't mean we have to give in.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:09:00 -
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I've only used remap a couple times on a couple select toons in the years I've been playing. I have absolutely zero need/desire to pay real $$$ to remap. You want to? Fine by me. Won't change my game in the slightest.
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Grey Griff
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:09:00 -
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dont like this idea
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:09:00 -
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Any PLEX based transaction, including PLEX for remap, will increase demand for PLEX, which in turn leads to higher PLEX prices and therefore higher supply as a new equilibrium is met. It's simple economics, and at the end of the day any microtransaction from PLEX increases the use of PLEX, which means more and more members of the universe are paying real money to get ahead.
I have a better idea, why not make remaps a single use rare drop from a new top level wormhole boss, or a faction warfare reward, or why not produce remaps from underutilized PI materials?
Remaps could be part of the ACTUAL GAME, but remaps are yet another possible facet of the universe shoved into the cash shop if PLEX for remaps happen.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:11:00 -
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TBH, something like that would be enough to make me quit.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:11:00 -
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It's a gateway game-altering MT. You let this in, more will come.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:12:00 -
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 Originally by: The Huffarunier
Over at FHC there is talk thatZulu bagged the CSM to support Plex for Remap as part of their MT Store. As much as I HATE anything that has to do with an MT store or anything that changes gameplay - I think i'm ok with PLEX for remap given the following also occure:
1). Everyone gets 2 remaps a year, either spaced 1 every six months or two at the beginning of each year.
2). Jump Clones can be used twice within a 24 hour period.
Give me those two things and I'll approve of Plex for remap. Not that I would use it myself but I think it would balance out.
why not completely remove skills? sounds a lot better
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
It's a gateway game-altering MT. You let this in, more will come.
Gateway or not, it's enough to make me quit. No game-affecting MTs should be put into EVE at all, no matter how small. Vanity and Dust's game-affecting MTs are bad enough.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:15:00 -
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PLEX for remaps was the issue that first made the community and CSM say "No non-vanity MT", and the fear at the time was that any MT would sooner or later lead to functional MTà
àand here we are, the bag entirely catless, and have come full circle.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
PLEX for remaps was the issue that first made the community and CSM say "No non-vanity MT", and the fear at the time was that any MT would sooner or later lead to functional MTà
àand here we are, the bag entirely catless, and have come full circle.
We've gotten to the point where all the other ideas are so terrible that people accept PLEX for remaps. Awful, just awful.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: Harcosi
It's a gateway game-altering MT. You let this in, more will come.
Gateway or not, it's enough to make me quit. No game-affecting MTs should be put into EVE at all, no matter how small. Vanity and Dust's game-affecting MTs are bad enough.
I agree with you (Although technically with non-renewing accounts, I already have quit). I'm saying that if true, this is CCP's way of getting their foot in the door.
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:18:00 -
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They can rephrase the same question as many times and in as many different ways as they like and the answer remains the same - NO PLEX or MT for ANYTHING EXCEPT NON-GAME IMPACTING VANITY ITEMS.
Comprende?
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:19:00 -
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If they'd done this we wouldn't be in this situation now.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Scofield
If they'd done this we wouldn't be in this situation now.
No, we'd be buying Premium Modified Tempests and Scorpions for $50.00 from the CCP Points Store. If we had allowed this, everything would have been much, much worse.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:41:00 -
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The plex per remap thing never bothered me because:
- the increase in skill points per year over a player making smart use of the current system was very small even if unlimmited remaps were used.. probably in the order of 12% more sp a year over that smart and forward looking player.
- the increase was available to all players withou using real $ and it was in-line with the prices of improved implants which cost a player even more if they pvp and lose them periodically... 1 additional remap a year was hardly unafforable in relation to other game play items.... and consistent with things like turning in tags etc.
- the benefit of a second and third remap was very very small for almost any plan ... only a 1% or 2% of annual sp accumulation.
- In general, I don't mind the use of ISK to get game benefits and I really don't see any material difference between plex and isk....both give game benefits.. an extra few players under your control for the game effort of grinding another 300 to 400 million isk a month.
- As the remap thing is an existing mechanic important to all players, it would not represent a huge use of resources designed for the sole purpose of the RMT ... as remaps are part of the game, the small increase in annual sp accumulation would have very little effect when considering balancing of ships etc .
TLDR - I see plex as worth ISK not $ and a game ability to use play to increase training rate by a modest enough rate (under 20% annuall certainly relative to smart players) isn't something that changes dynamics markably as SP an productivity in the game only have a very small cause and effect relation... it is how well people make use of what skills they do have, not how many different skills they have that really drives any competitive part of the game.
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