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Kush Monster Big Tobacco	Posted - 2011.06.29 00:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Kush Monster on 29/06/2011 00:50:02 trained up a loki, got meh shield skills but my gunnery is good. From what ive looked at on EFT (I know, its not the end all be all) the DPS and Tank of the loki are pretty damn poor. (all lvl 5) I saw a loki as a command ship the other day but I was wondering, where does the loki fit into eve online pvp? -I./JG3- Quote: Wer zuerst schie¯t hat mehr vom leben
Abaroth Charmar	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:00:00 - [2] Have an alt cloak up one and give fleet bonuses to friends.
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:03:00 - [3] If you don't know....
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Kush Monster I saw a loki as a command ship the other day but I was wondering, where does the loki fit into eve online pvp? Vaga with bonused web. Super-tanked armor Huginn. The ultimate Muninn. Basically all the roles of recons and HACs it can cover, with a fair portion done simultaneously.
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:34:00 - [5] And able to get over 900 DPS out of it too
Roosterton Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Roosterton on 29/06/2011 01:36:36 People love saying that Lokis are awesome l33t for PVP because praising all Minnie ships is FOTM, but in reality, they're kinda meh. A nano Vaga loki is slower than a Vaga and has slightly better stats than a nanocane, but it's not really enough to warrant the pricetag. A solo cloaky loki looks good on paper, until you realize that it will die to a solo rifter. IMO, there are only really two reasons why the Loki is worth flying: -PVE in hostile territory, preferably against Sanshas/Bloods due to t2 resists. -Long range, 25km web loki in a fleet. Otherwise, it's quite a meh ship, its roles often overshadowed by other, cheaper ships that can do the job nearly as well. (Note that I say this as someone who has all minmatar subsystem skills at 5 and used to fly them exclusively.) -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Noisrevbus	Posted - 2011.06.29 02:02:00 - [7] It's only "meh" if all you care about is spank and tank. There are plenty of things you can do with it, but the most clear cut examples are probably: 1. Cloak, Null, Point, Web @ 25km = best dedicated/advanced scout in the game (same as Proteus). 2. The mentioned armor-web Loki is the only top-tier Minmatar choice in a techy armor gang. 3. The ability to combine Links with any moderate level of conventional use (Link+Snipe, Link+Scout etc).
Roosterton Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet	Posted - 2011.06.29 02:53:00 - [8] Edited by: Roosterton on 29/06/2011 02:54:15 Originally by: Noisrevbus It's only "meh" if all you care about is spank and tank. There are plenty of things you can do with it, but the most clear cut examples are probably: 1. Cloak, Null, Point, Web @ 25km = best dedicated/advanced scout in the game (same as Proteus). 2. The mentioned armor-web Loki is the only top-tier Minmatar choice in a techy armor gang. 3. The ability to combine Links with any moderate level of conventional use (Link+Snipe, Link+Scout etc). 1. Why you would relegate a t3 to scouting duty is beyond me. By going cloak + interdiction nullifier you're nerfing your actual combat efficiency to loltastic levels. If a scout is what you want... Covops frig? Longpointing Arazu? Pilgrim with neuts and an actual ability to avoid getting melted? 2. It has its niche uses, somewhere of a cross between a Rapier/Huginn and a Hurricane. But when you think about it, you could get a Huginn and a Hurricane together for less than half the cost of a Loki. Also, 25km webs aren't nearly as useful for pinning down nanoships as 60km webs with a covops cloak (Rapier) are. 3. I'll give you that, the links are awesome. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Matuk Grymwal Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.06.29 03:18:00 - [9] Yeah combining a rapier, arazu and booster into one package is pretty cool. I can cloak like a recon, web to 50km and point to 42km (~60km and ~50km overheated, also I use the overheat sub for increased overheating). The increased range comes from the gang boosting, +42% range to web/point/scram. Speed is good as well at around 2200ms. DPS is very low, but that's not the point of the ship. The main downside is the cost, you need faction web/point to get that kind of range.
Irie Irie Irie Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.29 03:19:00 - [10] It's all about webs and buffer tbfh. ~~~

NameWasTakenAlready	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:59:00 - [11] Edited by: NameWasTakenAlready on 29/06/2011 10:00:37 Of the 4 T3s, Loki is the second best for w-space in my experience. A loki without faction fittings can put out 450 dps, while omni tanking around 750-800 depending on skills. You can solo even the most difficult C3 sites in a loki. Other than that, meh. ALso, the Loki is a ship that you have to spend a LOT of time tweaking to get the most out of. It's a ship for people who spend hours in EFT. If you can spend a lot of time doing tweaks and testing you can get some surprisingly potent fits. It's just very hard to make it work within it's PG and CPU.
Grumpy punk Stir Crazy Research and Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.29 11:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 29/06/2011 01:39:01 -Long range, 25km web loki in a fleet. (Even this is kinda overshadowed by a 60km web Rapier, but if you're really short on ships and need both DPS and webs on one ship...) What kind of webifier are you running on both ships? Cause as far as I can see Rapier gets 40km with T2 webifier.
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.06.29 11:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Grumpy punk Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 29/06/2011 01:39:01 -Long range, 25km web loki in a fleet. (Even this is kinda overshadowed by a 60km web Rapier, but if you're really short on ships and need both DPS and webs on one ship...) What kind of webifier are you running on both ships? Cause as far as I can see Rapier gets 40km with T2 webifier. Dark Blood, Domination, something like that. bace range is 14km with a 30% increase with overheat - Nulla Curas
Noisrevbus	Posted - 2011.06.29 13:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Noisrevbus on 29/06/2011 13:00:57 Originally by: Roosterton 1. Why you would relegate a t3 to scouting duty is beyond me. By going cloak + interdiction nullifier you're nerfing your actual combat efficiency to loltastic levels. If a scout is what you want... Covops frig? Longpointing Arazu? Pilgrim with neuts and an actual ability to avoid getting melted? 2. It has its niche uses, somewhere of a cross between a Rapier/Huginn and a Hurricane. But when you think about it, you could get a Huginn and a Hurricane together for less than half the cost of a Loki. Also, 25km webs aren't nearly as useful for pinning down nanoships as 60km webs with a covops cloak (Rapier) are. 1. It lives where other scouts die, it can remain on the field when other scouts can't. It can calmly reposition, maintain eyes without overwhelming pressure and give effective information to it's FC. It may cost a pretty penny for a role where tradition assume something throw-away; but in the realm of staying alive and optimizing your potential tech III are king; with their ability to stay alive, achieve position, scan-probe and tackle-control-tank. No other ships do the full role as good. 2. The armor-web Loki web around 50-60km too, the only reason i mentioned 25-30km on the scout Loki is because that's where he can point and web at the same range. Not too unlike a Rapier. The armor-web Loki does not necessarily point at every range it webs. Then of course, most ships can be replaced by several other ships each doing a part of it's role - that doesn't say much about the ship though. If you have the luxury of putting more players on the field, you are always at an advantage (only overcome by fitting, comps, tactics and execution).
lacal Minmatar Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2011.06.29 23:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Matuk Grymwal Yeah combining a rapier, arazu and booster into one package is pretty cool. I can cloak like a recon, web to 50km and point to 42km (~60km and ~50km overheated, also I use the overheat sub for increased overheating). The increased range comes from the gang boosting, +42% range to web/point/scram. Speed is good as well at around 2200ms. DPS is very low, but that's not the point of the ship. The main downside is the cost, you need faction web/point to get that kind of range. As this chap says being able to uncloak and then point / double web something at 50km is very useful for "solo" pvp. He isn't going anywhere you don't want him to, giving you time to size him, and any potential local spike, up I offload the boosting duties to another Loki (hence the quotes for solo above) leaving room for cloak, 4*425's and a med neut in the highs, 2 tracking enhancers and 2 gyros in the lows - dps is a bit meh (330dps RF charges), but that's where the cloak and target selection comes in, buffer fits die eventually and the neut takes care of active tanks. If your minmatar, soloing, you like the cloakie way of flying, have isk and want to be able to kill stuff bigger than frigs / cruisers then there isn't really any other choice. As someone else mentioned there is a multitude of fits and what suits one might not suit another, learning what does work and what doesn't can be, as I have found out, rather costly. My first fit and first loki, lasted the sum total of 14 kills before getting popped due to a poor fit and my inexperience. Current ship and fit some 220 kills over 2 months - mainly solo. Battleclinic linky I love my loki :)
Kush Monster Big Tobacco	Posted - 2011.06.30 00:39:00 - [16] Originally by: lacal Originally by: Matuk Grymwal Yeah combining a rapier, arazu and booster into one package is pretty cool. I can cloak like a recon, web to 50km and point to 42km (~60km and ~50km overheated, also I use the overheat sub for increased overheating). The increased range comes from the gang boosting, +42% range to web/point/scram. Speed is good as well at around 2200ms. DPS is very low, but that's not the point of the ship. The main downside is the cost, you need faction web/point to get that kind of range. As this chap says being able to uncloak and then point / double web something at 50km is very useful for "solo" pvp. He isn't going anywhere you don't want him to, giving you time to size him, and any potential local spike, up I offload the boosting duties to another Loki (hence the quotes for solo above) leaving room for cloak, 4425's and a med neut in the highs, 2 tracking enhancers and 2 gyros in the lows - dps is a bit meh (330dps RF charges), but that's where the cloak and target selection comes in, buffer fits die eventually and the neut takes care of active tanks. If your minmatar, soloing, you like the cloakie way of flying, have isk and want to be able to kill stuff bigger than frigs / cruisers then there isn't really any other choice. As someone else mentioned there is a multitude of fits and what suits one might not suit another, learning what does work and what doesn't can be, as I have found out, rather costly. My first fit and first loki, lasted the sum total of 14 kills before getting popped due to a poor fit and my inexperience. Current ship and fit some 220 kills over 2 months - mainly solo. Battleclinic linky I love my loki :) Thanks Lacal! What I wanted to hear. I am def looking to use this ship solo but I think my current fit is fail... I built it for solo wh hunting but im starting to think a cloaky is more destined for lowesec/nullsec solo roaming. I'll continue to tweak her out on EFT till I feel courageous enough to lose it hehe -I./JG3- Quote:* Wer zuerst schie¯t hat mehr vom leben
lacal Minmatar Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2011.06.30 01:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Kush Monster Thanks Lacal! What I wanted to hear. I am def looking to use this ship solo but I think my current fit is fail... I built it for solo wh hunting but im starting to think a cloaky is more destined for lowesec/nullsec solo roaming. I'll continue to tweak her out on EFT till I feel courageous enough to lose it hehe Well here's a linky to the loki pair I run with - not cheap, but the current ship has more than paid for itself and the other loss in player loot drops - and when you run solo you get to keep it all for yourself :)
A'Brantox Foson Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.30 01:49:00 - [18] Also being minmatar has a godly resist based tank... in fact u dont have to fit any active modules for shield to get your resists up... its actually that good BC dps, battleship tank, recon abilities, cloaky loki, scan res frig killer, awsome command bonuses, smallest T3 sig, fastest T3... the ship is maybe one of the most versitile, despite these facts being normal for a T3 All this while (regardless of what other people say) having a depth to it's looks with any subsystem.. Loki = "bestest T3" Buggery!!
Kush Monster Big Tobacco	Posted - 2011.06.30 01:53:00 - [19] Originally by: lacal Originally by: Kush Monster Thanks Lacal! What I wanted to hear. I am def looking to use this ship solo but I think my current fit is fail... I built it for solo wh hunting but im starting to think a cloaky is more destined for lowesec/nullsec solo roaming. I'll continue to tweak her out on EFT till I feel courageous enough to lose it hehe Well here's a linky to the loki pair I run with - not cheap, but the current ship has more than paid for itself and the other loss in player loot drops - and when you run solo you get to keep it all for yourself :) What size ships would you recommend taking on with this fit? or the loki for that matter... I reckon anything t3 or smaller but could it take out say a BS 1 on 1? -I./JG3- Quote: Wer zuerst schie¯t hat mehr vom leben
Xiozor Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2011.06.30 02:04:00 - [20] My Loki goes for dual-fed webs, republic disruptor and over 250k EHP. Did someone say they needed a tackler? ----------------------------------------------- Mr.Kippling just launched a nuclear holocaust at third world countries! ... But he does make exceedingly good cakes.

lacal Minmatar Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2011.06.30 02:09:00 - [21] You can take out most BS's that are't pvp fit - you don't want to be going near someone with 24km range neuts! Oh and a huge shield buffer with SPR's would be problematic, if their passive regen peaks at more than your guns overheated then your **** outta luck. Some drakes can get close to this until you neut their invulns off. Ultimately its down to target selection again - see 2 BS's running a level 5 then go for the one that wont have a tank, also don't underestimate rat dps, when your hunting mission runners its a big help, your dumping an extra 300dps on what they were expecting to tank and draining their cap :) If memory serves I've had ravens and dominixes to date
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.06.30 02:25:00 - [22] Loki is the the best pirate ship in game. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide
Matuk Grymwal Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.06.30 03:01:00 - [23] Also things not to try: 100MN AB novelty fit. I filed that away under the I can't believe I did that category - just because you can doesn't mean you should. I got myself killed due to the total lack of acceleration when I jumped thru a WH and ended up within 2km and couldn't cloak.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.06.30 03:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Matuk Grymwal Also things not to try: 100MN AB novelty fit. I filed that away under the I can't believe I did that category - just because you can doesn't mean you should. I got myself killed due to the total lack of acceleration when I jumped thru a WH and ended up within 2km and couldn't cloak. Honestly, the 100mn AB Tech3 is pretty much the exclusive purview of missile ships (they aren't affected by their own transversal). That means Tengu and Legion. Not Loki. I'm sorry to hear you found this out the hard way.
Malcolm Faust	Posted - 2011.07.07 02:48:00 - [25] Now I want one.


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