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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Solstice Project on 29/06/2011 16:47:31
updated the topic
I went like O_O first, and then realized
that the second i put these two energized t2 nanomembranes up for sale at 975k,
somebody bought them for 999.999,96 ISK from somebody else ... and i got the deal.
I know about how this works.
I'm not trying to impress you.
My question is ... is it just awesome timing, or is there a way to cheat people
into clicking higher sellorders?
I really believe it's just lucky timing in this case,
because they got sold within a second ...
... but is there a way to use this ... "feature" in any way ?
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:42:00 -
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*update*
i just realized, i only sold one of them.
I noticed, because i sold the other one just now.
For 998.987 ISK ... instead of the 975.000, i've put them up with.
Why is this happening ??
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Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:48:00 -
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People can't "choose" who to buy from.
If they try they pay the price they "chose" but the cheapest seller gets the deal
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Solstice Project on 29/06/2011 16:53:06
typo
I know how the mechanics work.
Regardless of which order is used, the cheapest seller gets the deal.
My question is, if there is a way to cheat people in to using one of the other orders.
Connected to this,
i'm wondering about why they are'nt clicking the cheapest one in the first place.
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Calypsa Aeurelieus
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:56:00 -
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Answer: They are too lazy/Too hurried/Don't care about the small difference/Are really not smart. <-- Usually one of those.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Calypsa Aeurelieus
Answer: They are too lazy/Too hurried/Don't care about the small difference/Are really not smart. <-- Usually one of those.
You forgot "My cat jumped on the keyboard" 
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:01:00 -
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Just use the 8 trick. Chances are they will buy from the second order thinking there's only a minor difference between the orders. Long shot tho, sont see hoqw u could trick ppl into it.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:07:00 -
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Get that now. It's probably always a mixture.
So the selling-window isn't sort for the cheapest,
he's probably hurried too or just couldn't care less,
because the price difference wasn't that great anyhow.
I'm pretty sure people almost always click the first order,
out of the simple convinience that most ppl want to buy the cheapest stuff ...
... so they have the selling-window set to cheapest-first.
There are exemptions, of course ... like me,
who often has it sorted for range, closest first.
So nobody knows a way to "exploit" this feature anyhow ?
(it's not an exploit of game mechanics, but of perception...)
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chevalleis
Just use the 8 trick. Chances are they will buy from the second order thinking there's only a minor difference between the orders. Long shot tho, sont see hoqw u could trick ppl into it.
What's the 8 trick ?
Tricking people who believe the EIGHT actually is a ZERO ??
Means ... exploiting peoples bad vision ?
Funny thought ...
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Calypsa Aeurelieus
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:09:00 -
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Many times you will get people who are looking for the closest deal, so they order by # of jumps. So if there are multiple orders in station it might not list the cheapest one first.
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
Originally by: Chevalleis
Just use the 8 trick. Chances are they will buy from the second order thinking there's only a minor difference between the orders. Long shot tho, sont see hoqw u could trick ppl into it.
What's the 8 trick ?
Tricking people who believe the EIGHT actually is a ZERO ??
Means ... exploiting peoples bad vision ?
Funny thought ...
Because of the ridicilously small font in eve market screen 8 is often read as 9 in a string that contains lots of 9s. Actually, now that I think of it, not sure if that can be used in this situation. Anyways, ull get the idea.
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Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:18:00 -
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A lot of people dont know about sort by price desending/ascending.
If you mean "how to make isk off of this"? then that is what the 100m badgers are all about
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Vaylent PrinterOne
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:22:00 -
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Woah, woah. Some clarification please.
I'm one of those people who will jump to a higher buy order, because I assume it knows I want to buy the lower priced goods too. AT the lower price. Here's an example of a sell order list.
Order A: 5 units low price
Order B: 12 units low price
Order C: 3 units low price
Order D: 100 units average price.
If I want to buy ALL 120 units, there is no provision to clean out 5 orders at once. I will just click buy on "Order D" and put in 100 units. It will auto buy orders A, B, and C and there will be 20 units left over in order D. Then i'll repeat the process to buy out the remaining 20 units in order D.
In this manner I executed two purchases but cleaned out all 4 orders.
My assumption all this time has been that I get the listed price for each order. Why the heck would it assume I WANT to pay more when I clearly don't have to?
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:26:00 -
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Aaahhhh ... sooo many insights, thank you ! :D
I found one on my own ! :D
It just hit me ! XD
For example. I need five gyrostabs and the cheapest order only has one.
The second cheapest has six, seven or whatever.
I click the second-best order and buy all five from it,
instead of buying the single gyrostab extra from the first ...
... and then the others from the second.
What now happens is, that the cheapest order gets filled with the price of the higher order.
So there IS a way to exploit this.
Thx. :)
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne
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*lol* you, in some way, beat me to it.
To answer your question, in some way, i believe you pay the amount you wanted to buy.
You clicked an order with a fixed amount and that's what you are paying.
If you want to buy cheaper, you have to pick the cheaper orders first.
It makes sense. ^^
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Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne
Woah, woah. Some clarification please.
I'm one of those people who will jump to a higher buy order, because I assume it knows I want to buy the lower priced goods too. AT the lower price. Here's an example of a sell order list.
Order A: 5 units low price
Order B: 12 units low price
Order C: 3 units low price
Order D: 100 units average price.
If I want to buy ALL 120 units, there is no provision to clean out 5 orders at once. I will just click buy on "Order D" and put in 100 units. It will auto buy orders A, B, and C and there will be 20 units left over in order D. Then i'll repeat the process to buy out the remaining 20 units in order D.
In this manner I executed two purchases but cleaned out all 4 orders.
My assumption all this time has been that I get the listed price for each order. Why the heck would it assume I WANT to pay more when I clearly don't have to?
It pays the price you have entered, so
A: 10 isk/pu
B: 11 isk/u
C: 12 isk/u
D: 15 isk/u
if you click order D, and buy 100 units, it will fill it from A, B, C first, but at the same price you have entered for D.
Basically, you tell the market "I want to pay 15isk/unit, grab me 100 units"
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
Edited by: Solstice Project on 29/06/2011 16:53:06
typo
I know how the mechanics work.
Regardless of which order is used, the cheapest seller gets the deal.
My question is, if there is a way to cheat people in to using one of the other orders.
Connected to this,
i'm wondering about why they are'nt clicking the cheapest one in the first place.
I think you might want the Crime and Punishment forum.
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Vaylent PrinterOne
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rhivre
Edited by: Rhivre on 29/06/2011 17:38:43
Edited by: Rhivre on 29/06/2011 17:37:50
Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne
Woah, woah. Some clarification please.
I'm one of those people who will jump to a higher buy order, because I assume it knows I want to buy the lower priced goods too. AT the lower price. Here's an example of a sell order list.
Order A: 5 units low price
Order B: 12 units low price
Order C: 3 units low price
Order D: 100 units average price.
If I want to buy ALL 120 units, there is no provision to clean out 5 orders at once. I will just click buy on "Order D" and put in 100 units. It will auto buy orders A, B, and C and there will be 20 units left over in order D. Then i'll repeat the process to buy out the remaining 20 units in order D.
In this manner I executed two purchases but cleaned out all 4 orders.
My assumption all this time has been that I get the listed price for each order. Why the heck would it assume I WANT to pay more when I clearly don't have to?
It pays the price you have entered, so
A: 10 isk/pu
B: 11 isk/u
C: 12 isk/u
D: 15 isk/u
if you click order D, and buy 100 units, it will fill it from A, B, C first, but at the same price you have entered for D.
Basically, you tell the market "I want to pay 15isk/unit, grab me 100 units"
EDIT: Not sure how doing this counts as "exploiting the market" , it wont "cheat" most people into doing it, and it relies on your order being the lowest, much as the 100m badger does. The second my order is lower than yours, if someone buys the 100m badger, I get it \o/
Damn, so much for that convenience. It's hard to say whether that's fair or not; I don't have the ability to skip small sell orders, so no way to encourage people to stop making them. When I want 710,000 units of something I really CBFd to buy a bunch of orders for 5000 or less.
Minor, truly, but ah well. Thanks for the info fellas!
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Professor Jinmei
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Posted - 2011.06.30 08:59:00 -
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Or somebody messed up their buy order range perhaps.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:36:00 -
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you are selling them to cheaply
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Steffan apRhys
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:12:00 -
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I'm new at this so please bear with my lack of knowledge.
If I understand this thread correctly, if I have a sell order for 100 widgets at 1000 isk/widget - and Fred has a sell order for 100 widgets at 999/widget, if Joe clicks to buy 100 widgets on my sell order, Fred gets the deal and the money? I must be misunderstanding something.
Thank you for your patience.
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Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 30/06/2011 17:46:28
Some of us buy in bulk. Imagine the following sell orders:
#1 energized t2 nanomembranes 975,000.00 2
#2 energized t2 nanomembranes 999,999.96 1
#3 energized t2 nanomembranes 999,999.97 1
#4 energized t2 nanomembranes 1,000,000.00 200
I want to buy 200 of them. Whatever way I do it the market will end up like this:
#4 energized t2 nanomembranes 1,000,000.00 4
Do I spend 200M on a one-click deal with order #4 (meaning #1 gets a 50k bonus, and the other two guy's short-change me a couple of pennies), or do I expend four times as much effort clicking through all four orders to save myself that "cool" 50,000.07 on my 200 million deal? It's about 0.02% of my potential profit margin.
Update: There is in fact a small bugette in this process. If I wanted to buy all 204 of them then I would have to click-through all four orders - which is a real pain when you're trying to make a corner.
In the above example of course both your items would have sold together. But in an active market you can often get extra mark-up by tagging along under a bulk offering like this. It's probably not worth the vendor's time to undercut small one-at-a-time retailers either. It works the same with buy orders as well.
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Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Steffan apRhys
I'm new at this so please bear with my lack of knowledge.
If I understand this thread correctly, if I have a sell order for 100 widgets at 1000 isk/widget - and Fred has a sell order for 100 widgets at 999/widget, if Joe clicks to buy 100 widgets on my sell order, Fred gets the deal and the money? I must be misunderstanding something.
Thank you for your patience.
Yes, you are correct.
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Monstress
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Steffan apRhys
I'm new at this so please bear with my lack of knowledge.
If I understand this thread correctly, if I have a sell order for 100 widgets at 1000 isk/widget - and Fred has a sell order for 100 widgets at 999/widget, if Joe clicks to buy 100 widgets on my sell order, Fred gets the deal and the money? I must be misunderstanding something.
Thank you for your patience.
Fred gets the deal at 1000 ISK/widget (even though his are priced at 999 ISK). The market will always fulfill the lowest priced sell order.
When Joe buys from a seller, it's like placing a buy order at the desired price (not sure if it's 100% the same, since I'm not sure if broker fees apply in this instance).
The market will automatically match Joe's buy order against the cheapest sell order (Fred's) and fulfill that at the price Joe entered (which would be 1000 ISK per unit if he tried to buy from your order).
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