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Kevric
Lament of the Phoenix
The Covenant.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:26:00 -
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One of the arguments I've been hearing from MT supporters is "Hey, u guyz have no problem with PLEX so whai have problem with MTs? They're the same thing!!1!"
Could CCP have been devious enough to have the introduction of MT, and "gold ammo" MT at that, as the reasoning behind the introduction of PLEX into Eve? Now they can try and blunt "gold ammo" MT opposition by showing how currently players can buy PLEX with RL cash to artificially fill their ISK wallets in order to buy ships, ammmo, etc?
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:27:00 -
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Yes, as are vanity-items for ptw-items.
Its the same old strategy, just look at other ftp-games. It always leads down the same path.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Yes, as are vanity-items for ptw-items.
Its the same old strategy, just look at other ftp-games. It always leads down the same path.
Unfortunately, I agree. I have nothing against CCP, but I have very bad experiences with MT in other games.
PLEX IS MT, but it was tolerated because it was combating isk sellers. PLEX already fights isk sellers... any more MT is just greed and will increase PLEX demand, and thus end up increasing the amount of people in New Eden paying real money to get ahead.
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Riddick Liddell
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:34:00 -
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Dominion was about moving Sov to planets. This whole scenario has been staged for years. I'm sure it was a combination of use what is there to get what isn't, in and invent what they don't have and need. GTC worked just fine, converting it to an ingame item for the purpose of Aurum? Very likely.
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Obsidian Cobra on 29/06/2011 21:35:09
The real problem Im seeing is why ad another currency to the game? the only reason is that they want people to stop selling plex on the market to other players.
They want the ISK buyers to convert to the MT currency and spend it there... Bleeding the market dry of Plex forcing the freeloading crowed back on subscription. And also making them convert a Hughe chunck of that ISK they have lying around to the MT currency to stay competative... Its very smart to be honest.. And that is why I say monocle buyers are getting scamed..
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:39:00 -
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No, plex were a response to something beyond their control, the black market sales of the game currency.
Banning the practice alone was of course innefective and giving players a legitimate reduced some real expenses in terms of customer service by somewhat reducing hacks, slightly reducing the number of farmers to be cracked down on (slightly), slightly reducing numbers of paying players they had to boot from the game on top of proving another source of revenue from something they were going to need to make allowance for one way or another.
It was a necessary evil and its effect on game balance was aligned with the same sorts of balance issues related to differentials in players rate and magnitude of isk earning using game play means.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:39:00 -
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I wasn't there at the time, but I suspect the conversation back then went like this:
Players: PLEX is pay to win.
CCP: No it's not. And it lets us fight RMT. And it doesn't interfere with your economy. And it lets you pay less/nothing to play EVE. It's great.
Players: Yes it is. But we accept it as a compromise because we love CCP and we love Internet Spaceships in a sandbox.
Now:
CCP (and dev alts and clueless fanbois/trolls): PLEX has always been P2W. It's exactly like Aurum. Nothing to see here. Why u so mad?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:42:00 -
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I am incredibly impressed by CCP's long range planning.
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
No, plex were a response to something beyond their control, the black market sales of the game currency.
Banning the practice alone was of course innefective and giving players a legitimate reduced some real expenses in terms of customer service by somewhat reducing hacks, slightly reducing the number of farmers to be cracked down on (slightly), slightly reducing numbers of paying players they had to boot from the game on top of proving another source of revenue from something they were going to need to make allowance for one way or another.
It was a necessary evil and its effect on game balance was aligned with the same sorts of balance issues related to differentials in players rate and magnitude of isk earning using game play means.
We know this I was around when the debate for plex came up. But I think CCP now feel they want/need more Money... So they make a new currency and shop.. That they will fill up with Metagame items so you can pay to win.. THis will force people to spend the Plex on MT instead. Effectivly Bleeding the market dry... NO MORE PLEX ON market no more free game time for people with lots of ISK(like me) so I will be foreced back on sub and also need to convert much of my hard Erned Billions to the Cash MT store.. NOT FUN I SAY NOT FUN..
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
I wasn't there at the time, but I suspect the conversation back then went like this:
Players: PLEX is pay to win.
CCP: No it's not. And it lets us fight RMT. And it doesn't interfere with your economy. And it lets you pay less/nothing to play EVE. It's great.
Players: Yes it is. But we accept it as a compromise because we love CCP and we love Internet Spaceships in a sandbox.
Now:
CCP (and dev alts and clueless fanbois/trolls): PLEX has always been P2W. It's exactly like Aurum. Nothing to see here. Why u so mad?
You are right it whent like that kinda.. Much crying and *****ing though hehe. In the end better people buy ISK from CCP then some CHina farmer it was bad back in the day really bad..
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Muchos Besitos
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:58:00 -
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Every PLEX created is cash into CCP's wallet. That is why it was created. They just spun it into being a way for players to buy game time for free. But, in reality someone is paying, they just paying for isk.
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Riddick Liddell
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Muchos Besitos
Every PLEX created is cash into CCP's wallet. That is why it was created. They just spun it into being a way for players to buy game time for free. But, in reality someone is paying, they just paying for isk.
Plex is new, GTCs have been in game since the beginning. I think the OP is talking about the transfer from a forum based contract system of game time code to the marketplace ingame item of PLEX. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kevric
One of the arguments I've been hearing from MT supporters is "Hey, u guyz have no problem with PLEX so whai have problem with MTs? They're the same thing!!1!"
Could CCP have been devious enough to have the introduction of MT, and "gold ammo" MT at that, as the reasoning behind the introduction of PLEX into Eve? Now they can try and blunt "gold ammo" MT opposition by showing how currently players can buy PLEX with RL cash to artificially fill their ISK wallets in order to buy ships, ammmo, etc?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1542767
GTC sales have been legitimate in game almost since EVE existed.
In short: the answer to your question is no.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:22:00 -
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Did plex reduce botting or RMT?.
Did we have more or less bots after plex?.
Botter A hey boss we haven't sold enough isk, to pay 50 subs.
boss it's ok CCP have introduced plex, we can pay in isk.
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Kevric
Lament of the Phoenix
The Covenant.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:24:00 -
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I am disappointed my thread hasn't been E-Peened yet. 
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:31:00 -
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No, plex were a response to something beyond their control, the black market sales of the game currency.
this. The Micro-Tranaction idea is what makes many free-to-play games unbearable to play. Sure they're tempting at first, but after a month of the impossible grind or pay "attitude" most quit. Fairness is out the window when your abilities are governed by how much outside currency you can bring to bare. Would CCP be tempted to fall into this trap? "Level 6 missions seem impossibly hard to solo.. unless you buy your T4 ship from the item store.." I offer that this is a slippery slope that even CCP will not be able to avoid if they start down that path.
Plex was a compromise to fight RMT happening that was ruining game play for many; it is not a perfect solution and brings its own problems (inflation). Still, at least players are not changing the fundimentals of manufacture speed, skilling speed, logistical and tactical advantage, or cutting out buyer and seller middlemen by using plex.
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Merelle
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:47:00 -
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"Was Plex just a Trojan Horse for MT?"
No, not really. When the Martians secretly invaded Earth back in 2003, the Illuminati contacted CCP to help them facilitate an intel-network for the organized resistance. Plex contains a message in encrypted code which you need a special device (the monocle) to unlock. However, what wasn't known back then was the Hilmar is a Sith Lord, and
Damn a black Helicopter i need to go! By all Plex from Merelle and contact
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Peritas Inmortalis
Gallente
Peritas Inmortalis Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Merelle
"Was Plex just a Trojan Horse for MT?"
No, not really. When the Martians secretly invaded Earth back in 2003, the Illuminati contacted CCP to help them facilitate an intel-network for the organized resistance. Plex contains a message in encrypted code which you need a special device (the monocle) to unlock. However, what wasn't known back then was the Hilmar is a Sith Lord, and
Damn a black Helicopter i need to go! By all Plex from Merelle and contact
 .......Damn Merelle, i want the same $hit you smoke 
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Rinia Altir
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kevric
One of the arguments I've been hearing from MT supporters is "Hey, u guyz have no problem with PLEX so whai have problem with MTs? They're the same thing!!1!"
Could CCP have been devious enough to have the introduction of MT, and "gold ammo" MT at that, as the reasoning behind the introduction of PLEX into Eve? Now they can try and blunt "gold ammo" MT opposition by showing how currently players can buy PLEX with RL cash to artificially fill their ISK wallets in order to buy ships, ammmo, etc?
Yes, this is what many people stated when CCP was first introducing PLEX.
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Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.29 23:03:00 -
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No, they're not competent enough to plan that far ahead. |
Mirage Excelsior
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mirage Excelsior on 29/06/2011 23:04:30
Was it a Trojan horse? I dont personally think so.
I accept it as a legitimate attempt at fighting RMT sites, and sure it made CCP some money too.
It was the players (RMT Alliances etc) that took advantage of what was on offer. Given enough rope, a man will inevitably hang himself.
It was us, the players that made Play 2 Win a reality, CCP have noticed this and are now cashing in on it. We dont have to agree with it, it's just how thing are now.
That ofcourse all changes if the rules change and CCP no longer allows the selling of PLEX for ISK, and allows use of PLEX only for converting, adding the extra step of PLEX > AUR > ISK. Then it appears like a Trojan horse imo.
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Tu Ko
Legio Geminatus
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.29 23:05:00 -
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Yay for bad posting, No PLEX was not created to sell items off a microtransaction store. Plex was created so that the CCP could attempt to curb the RMT sites by having the playerbase directly compete with them. This functioned correctly as it did allow players to buy what the RMT sites were offering in a safe and EULA approved way, despite that the RMT continued by undercutting Plex values. This MT store idea started when they began the WoD and saw the host of other developers that had made a great deal of money in a short term (WoT) by going with a MT model.
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