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Grimster Reikoku Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Kaldirov "Eve in the early years was a truley great mmo." Nah. Early eve didn't even have things like warp to 0, skill ques or other basic stuff that we take for granted. You're crazy. Warp to 0 killed off a good deal of gate battling and pirate opportunity, killed off the bookmark trade niche which I think was the main drive for removing the warp to 15, people were literally rolling in tens of thousands of BM's and breaking systems. I totally miss Dual MWD Rupture setups and cruise missile Breachers. It beat supercaps, uberblobs and grinding POS hands down. Now look what you did, you're making me all teary-eyed. GJ I don't have a monocle; I'd be awash. _______________________________
Solderan Gallente Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:51:00 - [32] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Solderan Trying to wreck the game is a futile effort. It wont effect any real change, its merely a waste of your time. If the news comes back bad then unsub and walk away. Taking your subscription money away from them will hurt them far more then futile in game protests or forum raging will. I agree with this completely on an individual level. However, given the eve player-base I have come to know and love, the idea that griefing and burning in an orgy of selfish destructive violence is a moral no-go area just isn't going to fly. Why would people who like to grief on a day to day basis shy away from it at the last? True I suppose. Eve is a cruel mistress it would make some people feel better to lash her back on your way out. I wont because I'm an industry monkey and never was much for the griefing for the sake of griefing, besides Id rather spend that time playing another game I like.
Ayame Yubari	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Tanya Fox If non-vanity items are introduced I'll be leaving too. The difference between you and me is I won't try to wreak the game for all those other players that have a different view point from me. Most protests going on in the world aren't supported by the whole population. Some will be for the movement, some against. It's the nature of things and if everyone would share your view, there would never be any protests at all and never any change for the better. It's time now to leave reason at home and act with compassion. Show CCP that the game means something to you and is worth fighting for.
Pearljammer 5657 Caldari Last Exit.	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:57:00 - [34] WE could probaly never wreck the game for good, but the people leaving can create a lotta havoc as we leave. Dont go out with a wimper, leave with a path of destruction and death in your wake. Then log off and go outside, and have beer, joint, and relax. You went out on top.
Tanya Fox	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:58:00 - [35] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Tanya Fox Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Tanya Fox What you're suggesting is not much different to what the Romans did when they left areas they could no longer control, poisoned the wells. It's the if I can't have it no one can attitude. It does not make you look like you are sticking up for your principles after the results of the meeting are published, all it does is make you look selfish. The protesters have put their case forward and have been heard so whatever the result is, that is the result. Edit: altered anti-protesters to protesters as it should have been. You appear to be suggesting that standard eve attitudes and behaviour are somehow inappropriate for eve. Selfishness? In my eve? NEVER! No I'm suggesting that what happens in Eve does not have to happen in the real world. Eve if you have not noticed is just a game where there are no real consequences. In the real world there are consequences and people have a responsibility to behave more appropriately and rationally. If you want to behave like some spoilt kid in real life that's up to you, but that's all you will look like too. But, unless I missed something, he's not talking about doing anything in real-life but only ingame. And the ingame behaviour he is talking about is just standard eve behaviour applied at a particular target. What you've missed is the type of action proposed is not about the playing the game. It's about being disruptive to such an extent that it's trying to damage the game as in CCPs reputation (regardless what anyone thinks of this atm, including me) as well as spoiling it for those with a different view point.
Kehro Urgus Gallente Ab Obice Saevior	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:00:00 - [36] It's a long weekend in Canada and the United States so this could get interesting.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 Then log off and go outside, and have beer, joint, and relax. that's my planes for this evening. and after... i will log in and do my job in my corp. Meet with new members. Contact with others... Maybe run 1-2 escalations for some iskies.... Well. weekend is near!
Solderan Gallente Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:01:00 - [38] 10 am in iceland the day 2 meeting is probably starting soon if it hasnt already. We'll know soon.
Pearljammer 5657 Caldari Last Exit.	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:07:00 - [39] Im not here to damage CCP reputaion, I feel betrayed, leaked newsletters, the email, the iggnorant devblogs. Im just going to burn eve down with thousands of my comrades and the be on my way. Our protest will have a name, and it will be remebered because it will be epic. When its over CCP will continue, life will go on. This protest must be epic. Put your mark on Eve. For you Hilmar
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:09:00 - [40] Whatever CCP decide to do, that is their choice to take. Based on previous happenings, broken promises, misdirections, leaks and other evidence such as some recent new shinies being developed it is becoming painfully (and I don't use that word lightly) obvious to anyone with half a brain that MT will probably end up going non-vanity - despite all the polls and crossed-finger-promises that this was not in their plans - that led to this crossroads. It is my firm belief that we, as players, have a right to know if this will be happening or not, so that we may make an INFORMED CHOICE on whether to keep investing our time and money into the game. That choice can only be made when we have an honest answer from CCP on whether they will stand by their previous assurances. Even that word now would be in doubt, due to the previous "..no plans to..." actually meaning "we're already doing it but will not tell you at this time". That's what I mean about CCP's crossed-finger-promises up to now. The big yellow question simply asked for a clear and not otherwise-interpretable statement from CCP in answer to this question that should have been a simple yes or no answer, this they were unable or unwilling to give. Vanity only items was the compromise already reached between CCP and the CSM in their the last involvement with this issue. I'm not particularly convinced that compromise was really anything but the CSM being forced to act as CCP's PR mouthpiece even then. The results today will, I hope, give a clear and most importantly an unequivocal answer to the playerbase as a whole, so that some semblance of fairness and honesty can be brought into players' decision making on whether they wish to continue investing their time, effort, and cash into the future gameplay model that will result from the path that CCP chooses to walk. Just so this is said before any representatives of the subspecies trollius-moronicles arrive: Eve is a long-term game where the player is expected to work towards achievement milestones over extended periods of several months at a time, with goals that may be a year or several more into the future. That takes much time, effort, and cash investment. Because of this, I do not think it unfair nor excessive for any player to expect honesty from CCP on matters that may well have a massive fundamental effect on the world landscape in which the player's future goals may or may not bear fruit. My own answer to the OP, is that I really do not expect any further protest to change CCP's choice of direction. If our combined voice has made them realise that honesty over issues like this is indeed worthwhile for them at a business level, then that is the best we can hope to achieve. I really hope, for the players, for CCP, and for the future of online gaming that this lesson is learned and borne in mind in any future decisions they and other gaming companies make. ..... If CCP have listened to the other points raised, most of which have been well thought out, and make much sense to me, then great. If not, and the cash-cow treatment continues then Eve as we knew it will be a thing of the past. The voices on these issues were already heard. Ec
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos En Garde	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:12:00 - [41] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/07/2011 10:12:34 Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 First im proud of all the protestors, Great show guys, keep up the fight. lol there are things in this world worth protesting about - the vast and increasing gap between rich and poor - the lack of new regulation to prevent another financial crisis - selective intervention by the west into repressive regimes however 'protesting' about being able to buy an internet spaceship item using RL money, when in fact you already can using PLEX, is just pathetic you need to grow up and get a sense of perspective love BD x ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Tanya Fox	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Ayame Yubari Originally by: Tanya Fox If non-vanity items are introduced I'll be leaving too. The difference between you and me is I won't try to wreak the game for all those other players that have a different view point from me. Most protests going on in the world aren't supported by the whole population. Some will be for the movement, some against. It's the nature of things and if everyone would share your view, there would never be any protests at all and never any change for the better. It's time now to leave reason at home and act with compassion. Show CCP that the game means something to you and is worth fighting for. In not saying there should be no protests, we've had those protests mainly because of the way CCP handled the affair and they got a result, meaning forced CCP into a position where they have to discuss the problems. So they're being discussed and we are waiting on the outcome. If that outcome is unfavourable and people start to be disruptive again they should just ban those accounts, they would be totally justified to do so at that point.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/07/2011 10:12:34 Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 First im proud of all the protestors, Great show guys, keep up the fight. lol there are things in this world worth protesting about - the vast and increasing gap between rich and poor - the lack of new regulation to prevent another financial crisis - selective intervention by the west into repressive regimes however 'protesting' about being able to buy an internet spaceship item using RL money, when in fact you already can using PLEX, is just pathetic you need to grow up and get a sense of perspective love BD x This is deeply amusing coming from someone who has the time and energy to protest against people protesting.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos En Garde	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:15:00 - [44] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/07/2011 10:12:34 Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 First im proud of all the protestors, Great show guys, keep up the fight. lol there are things in this world worth protesting about - the vast and increasing gap between rich and poor - the lack of new regulation to prevent another financial crisis - selective intervention by the west into repressive regimes however 'protesting' about being able to buy an internet spaceship item using RL money, when in fact you already can using PLEX, is just pathetic you need to grow up and get a sense of perspective love BD x This is deeply amusing coming from someone who has the time and energy to protest against people protesting. posting from forum at work != spending hours/days shooting a spaceship statue in Jita ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
RAW23	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/07/2011 10:12:34 Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 First im proud of all the protestors, Great show guys, keep up the fight. lol there are things in this world worth protesting about - the vast and increasing gap between rich and poor - the lack of new regulation to prevent another financial crisis - selective intervention by the west into repressive regimes however 'protesting' about being able to buy an internet spaceship item using RL money, when in fact you already can using PLEX, is just pathetic you need to grow up and get a sense of perspective love BD x This is deeply amusing coming from someone who has the time and energy to protest against people protesting. posting from forum at work != spending hours/days shooting a spaceship statue in Jita Also != doing any of those things that you listed as actually being worth spending time on. And shooting the Jita monument is hardly effort intensive. You don't even have to be in the same building as your computer to keep doing it.
Lug Thorne Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:27:00 - [46] I'm writing this reply having had an idea for 24 hours now. It's not a good idea by any stretch, and I think it's pure evil, but my conclusion is that while shouldnt be done, I expect someone else has or will think of it. It came about after I read Mittani's (apologies if I've mis-spelt) "art of war in nullsec" recently ,and something's just clicked . Especially the part about encouraging the enemies pilots from participating and making their game a less enjoyable experience. Extending this theory to Eve's recent problems, what do we get? We want to make CCP listen and react the way we want. CCP is a business, and as business it wants to make money. Money comes from subscriptions and PLEX. Subs and PLEX are bought by players. Loosing a player costs CCP money, but gaining a player gains CCP money. So we have two opportunities to affect CCP's money , and this listen to us. 1. Leaving 2. Stop new players from subscribing. Now this is the bit where my thinking leads to dark corners. Using Mittani's strategy and make new players live's miserable. Gank newbie ships, camp newbie stations, and whatever it takes to make them think this game is not worth playing. There, I said it was pure evil. I dont think I'd want to play a game where people resorted to this.
BlkQueen	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:28:00 - [47] To the OP, grow up and stop being a drama queen. How about your account getting perma banned so you will never, ever again be able to play EVE? I hope they throw the hammer at your lame efforts to disrupt a game because you can't get your way. Don't like the direction the game is going? GTFO. CCP makes this product and they have a right to develop it in a way they see fit. Deal with it.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:33:00 - [48] Hey, even if they reconcile, easy-to-correct mistakes were made. All the drama has had me unsubscribe, and pay for Perpetuum instead. Economics 101, can't spend my money twice. In case you're wondering; Perpetuum devs fixed lag in 3 days. Not after 18 months, then barely. Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu
Messy Beaver	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/07/2011 10:12:34 Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 First im proud of all the protestors, Great show guys, keep up the fight. lol there are things in this world worth protesting about - the vast and increasing gap between rich and poor - the lack of new regulation to prevent another financial crisis - selective intervention by the west into repressive regimes however 'protesting' about being able to buy an internet spaceship item using RL money, when in fact you already can using PLEX, is just pathetic you need to grow up and get a sense of perspective love BD x RL carebear spotted
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos En Garde	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:44:00 - [50] Originally by: RAW23 Also != doing any of those things that you listed as actually being worth spending time on. And shooting the Jita monument is hardly effort intensive. You don't even have to be in the same building as your computer to keep doing it. That doesn't prevent it being an utter waste of time and effort by people who simply have nothing better to do. Maybe if they could afford a monocle they wouldn't be so angry... just sayin ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Tanya Fox So because you love the game you're willing to destroy it if things don't go your way. You have a strange concept of loving Eve. Why do you care? It's "just a game," right? Moron. ________________
Kehro Urgus Gallente Ab Obice Saevior	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: RAW23 Also != doing any of those things that you listed as actually being worth spending time on. And shooting the Jita monument is hardly effort intensive. You don't even have to be in the same building as your computer to keep doing it. That doesn't prevent it being an utter waste of time and effort by people who simply have nothing better to do. Maybe if they could afford a monocle they wouldn't be so angry... just sayin It's just as symbolic as that sphincter portruding from your right eye.
Flag Bravo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:47:00 - [53] My finger hovers in anticipation over the cancel-subscription-for-life-and-never-return button.
Cash Loki	Posted - 2011.07.01 11:31:00 - [54] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/07/2011 10:12:34 Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 First im proud of all the protestors, Great show guys, keep up the fight. lol there are things in this world worth protesting about - the vast and increasing gap between rich and poor - the lack of new regulation to prevent another financial crisis - selective intervention by the west into repressive regimes however 'protesting' about being able to buy an internet spaceship item using RL money, when in fact you already can using PLEX, is just pathetic you need to grow up and get a sense of perspective love BD x This Is Eve, we can roleplay, and if I choose to roleplay a protestor. Eve is a sandbox, and I love Eve.
Ayame Yubari	Posted - 2011.07.01 11:36:00 - [55] Originally by: Tanya Fox In not saying there should be no protests, we've had those protests mainly because of the way CCP handled the affair and they got a result, meaning forced CCP into a position where they have to discuss the problems. So they're being discussed and we are waiting on the outcome. If that outcome is unfavourable and people start to be disruptive again they should just ban those accounts, they would be totally justified to do so at that point. So by your logic, the protestors in Lybia should have stopped when Gadaffi announced that he would not stand down? And when they continued it was ok for him to shoot them down? Maybe you haven't quite grasped to concept of protest.
Pearljammer 5657 Caldari Last Exit.	Posted - 2011.07.01 11:40:00 - [56] Originally by: BlkQueen To the OP, grow up and stop being a drama queen. How about your account getting perma banned so you will never, ever again be able to play EVE? I hope they throw the hammer at your lame efforts to disrupt a game because you can't get your way. Don't like the direction the game is going? GTFO. CCP makes this product and they have a right to develop it in a way they see fit. Deal with it. IM going to deal with it the best way I can, I have a 100 days left my account. I will grief, I will encourage fleets to protest, I want my brothers and sisters who wont be coming back to burn eden as a collective group, so this wont be forgotten. Then my last day will expire and ill retire.
Tanya Fox	Posted - 2011.07.01 13:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Ayame Yubari Originally by: Tanya Fox In not saying there should be no protests, we've had those protests mainly because of the way CCP handled the affair and they got a result, meaning forced CCP into a position where they have to discuss the problems. So they're being discussed and we are waiting on the outcome. If that outcome is unfavourable and people start to be disruptive again they should just ban those accounts, they would be totally justified to do so at that point. So by your logic, the protestors in Lybia should have stopped when Gadaffi announced that he would not stand down? And when they continued it was ok for him to shoot them down? Maybe you haven't quite grasped to concept of protest. Lol, stop being dramatic. The two scenerios are not even remotely close. The game belongs to CCP effectively they can do what they want within reason. So the fact they're discussing it is good anyway. So if that includes banning people that are trying to undermine their company, that's fine they're entitled to do that.
RUS Comannder	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:46:00 - [58] I closed half my accounts to show CCP my disappointment with Incarna and to give myself standing as one subscriber who will act with his wallet. I also declared to CCP that the rest of my accounts will close if they take the next logical step along a path of broken promises and introduce game changing, market altering, economy crushing items for sale for AUR thus bypassing the entire economy and giving game advantages to players, who like myself, can afford to buy advantage. I choose not to buy advantage and I choose not to be subject to those who can buy advantage. CCP's CEO said this is a time when they have to watch what the subscribers do and not what they say. What I have done is remove half of the income they derived from my being a subscriber and that I am willing to remove the other half if the game moves in a direction I am not willing to go. It is not because I did not get my way as I have never gotten my way on any expansion. It is not that I am resisting change, I am resisting a BAD change. Conga lines and memorial shooting were signs of unity, just as a few rushed out to buy monocles as a show of unity. Once CCP decides at this juncture of this painful process, it will be written in stone and I will either re-open my accounts or close the remainder. All of them are paid up through the early part of 2012. It will sadden my heart to send this 2004 'toon to the biomass along with his brothers and sisters. I will reprocess all of my ships and items and place the isk in one account. I will keep my eyes open to the next time CCP does a Plex drive for a charitable reason, open the cashbox account and donate it all; right around thirty eight billion. I will not participate in an uprising to burn down New Eden in some spiteful player targetted move and ultimately silly, useless action. The players who remain will have enough grief coming their way. If, by this time in the course of events, you believe the price of the monocle has anything to do with the issue, you have absolutely no idea what the issue is about.
Stephanie Rose Nos Exigo Effercio	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:15:00 - [59] Edited by: Stephanie Rose on 02/07/2011 01:19:44 Edited by: Stephanie Rose on 02/07/2011 01:19:01 Originally by: Nullity Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 09:39:52 Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 09:38:39 Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 09:38:04 Quote: The game is dead if non-vanity MTs make it in. There will be no EVE to burn as it will cease to exist. In its place will be some warped doppelganger. Quote: The game isn't dead, not even sure how you came to this conclusion. There are 4 to 6 thousand people saying the unsubbed, an are taking their alts with them, have they really? If so, prove it, too many people talk an have no substance. Alot of these people claiming one thing but will mostly likely cave an do another. I am sure there will be hardcore unsubbers, but far less then people are predicting. At most, EvE is going thru a transition, people will always come an go, it is the way of things. Even if EvE bleeds 15000 people, that puts them back one year, maybe two? I remember when their was only 30k people signed on, at peak hours. The server was hitting 50 to 60 thousand people during peak times just before all this started. Miscommunication is bad enough, look at all the BS it has started, but to say EvE is dead, sorry, but I think your wrong, very wrong.
Carli Zandrya Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:26:00 - [60] I agree with the principle of the protest. Those who don't probably haven't fully grasped what it is really about. Just don't grief the noobs. I'd rather not force innocents to suffer for this cause. Especially if you want their help. --------------------------------------------- Take a stand or fall for anything

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