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SirDreadlord	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:25:00 - [1] I think alot of the the EVE veterens on here need to calm down and think of the possible positive outcomes of the intruduction of microtransactions to EVE instead of all the current gloom and doom. Consider this: Goldies purchased with AUR could be sold immediatly on the market - thus all you ISK ho's can still by them without using your credit card If Goldies purchased with AUR are always blue prints that require items to be purchased from the market to make, then the market won't suffer Some Gold items might help you in your current profession (i.e. - gold arknor crystals) Goldies dropped by poorly fitted ships = new markets (i.e - new professions) Here is a good example. Create a new corp called "Goldies And Noob Killers United" (G.A.N.K.U.) Find that one corp with all the new recruits flying goldies in HS, you know the one - "Beginners Investing Their Cash Hastily" (B.I.T.C.H). Wardec them. Just before you post GF in local state "Ima G.A.N.K.U cuz u be a B.I.T.C.H". Sell the gold drops and get rich quick. Or put them on your own ship. If the MT model draws in massive amounts of new players/targets like they think it will, then G.A.N.K.U just became a new career with richer rewards than most. Don't start with the "yeah, but what about faction" as I agree - that is just plain wrong and I maintain a positive outlook that they are smart enough to figure that out. As for paying AUR for SP, I have mixed feelings about that, but still think positive about it. If it takes a year to make a 20m SP char, I don't see the difference in paying $15 a month for 12 months or the entire $180 up front to get the 20m SP. The benefits to other players is that I am now a very in-experienced pilot flying gold T2 and T3 ships (an easy mark). Where as the other route you have to wait 6 - 9 months before you get a shot at me flying something highly valuable. It might be bad for those that 1v1, but I can't remember the last time I lost a ship to just one attacker. Haven't seen many solo gate camps either. Not to mention I can currently convert as much PLEX as I want to buy into ISK and then use that ISK to purchase a 20m SP char. Not much difference and again, I still won't know what to do with it until I get some playing experience under my belt. I for one can't wait to find that B.I.T.C.H member flying the gold fitted golden hulk in LS mining Jaspet. Plus, how many goldies do you honestly think these peeps will be able to afford to lose within days of purchase. Do you think they are just going to run out and buy another right away to be lost again with days? I suspect they will only do it a few times before they learn some patience and quit buying goldies. Or rage quit. I would rather see CCP try new things to make more money than go bankrupt and shut down the servers. If they make more money this, that's all the more they can invest into the betterment of the game. Remember, CCP is a business first and foremost. No matter what, the extended time you invested in this game will not be lost, you will still know more about all the ships and all the fits to not have to worry about a select few with deeper pockets. I would love to hear some other possible positive thoughts on what Microtransactions may bring to the game? I am willing to bet they are more likely to listen to these types of posts then the gloom and doom ones. Just my $.02.
Juan Sezole The Colonial Forces	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:30:00 - [2] WoW >>>>> take your reasoned arguments with you seriously
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:33:00 - [3] You work for CPP I see. I have already left.
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:33:00 - [4] tl;dr not going to be the death. it's going to be a crippled eve Gold items = F--- OFF. Not even debatable. NO. get out.
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Harcosi on 01/07/2011 22:35:25 1/1/2011 player. Not to mention his name... Yeah.
Bravix Caldari Dark Circle Enforcement	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:35:00 - [6] Quote: If it takes a year to make a 20m SP char, I don't see the difference in paying $15 a month for 12 months or the entire $180 up front to get the 20m SP. Lemme help ya out with your math. The difference is roughly 11 months. You see, you break 1 year into 12 months. Now, you take 12 months minus 1 month. This gives you 11 MONTHS. KK, you see the difference now?
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:36:00 - [7] Get out. I don't even play EVE anymore and I want you out. Now. Also stop posting on your alt. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Keno Range	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:37:00 - [8] Edited by: Keno Range on 01/07/2011 22:39:45 Edited by: Keno Range on 01/07/2011 22:38:35 Originally by: SirDreadlord I think alot of the the EVE veterens on here need to calm down and think of the possible positive outcomes of the intruduction of microtransactions to EVE instead of all the current gloom and doom. Consider this: Goldies purchased with AUR could be sold immediatly on the market - thus all you ISK ho's can still by them without using your credit card If Goldies purchased with AUR are always blue prints that require items to be purchased from the market to make, then the market won't suffer Some Gold items might help you in your current profession (i.e. - gold arknor crystals) Goldies dropped by poorly fitted ships = new markets (i.e - new professions) Here is a good example. Create a new corp called "Goldies And Noob Killers United" (G.A.N.K.U.) Find that one corp with all the new recruits flying goldies in HS, you know the one - "Beginners Investing Their Cash Hastily" (B.I.T.C.H). Wardec them. Just before you post GF in local state "Ima G.A.N.K.U cuz u be a B.I.T.C.H". Sell the gold drops and get rich quick. Or put them on your own ship. If the MT model draws in massive amounts of new players/targets like they think it will, then G.A.N.K.U just became a new career with richer rewards than most. Don't start with the "yeah, but what about faction" as I agree - that is just plain wrong and I maintain a positive outlook that they are smart enough to figure that out. As for paying AUR for SP, I have mixed feelings about that, but still think positive about it. If it takes a year to make a 20m SP char, I don't see the difference in paying $15 a month for 12 months or the entire $180 up front to get the 20m SP. The benefits to other players is that I am now a very in-experienced pilot flying gold T2 and T3 ships (an easy mark). Where as the other route you have to wait 6 - 9 months before you get a shot at me flying something highly valuable. It might be bad for those that 1v1, but I can't remember the last time I lost a ship to just one attacker. Haven't seen many solo gate camps either. Not to mention I can currently convert as much PLEX as I want to buy into ISK and then use that ISK to purchase a 20m SP char. Not much difference and again, I still won't know what to do with it until I get some playing experience under my belt.
NARDAC	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:38:00 - [9] SirDreadLord, Microtransactions are the death of EVE, at least for me. Here is what I think about pay-to-win.... Unsub, unsub, unsub, unsub. "I would rather see CCP try new things to make more money than go bankrupt and shut down the servers." Or how about they stop using EVE players as the cash cow they are using to fund the developemnt of 2 additional games! Shut down Dust and WoD developemnt and use EVE subscription money to fund things that EVE players actually want developed. Screw CCP. I hope they do go bankrupt now.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 01/07/2011 22:42:05 Hope you realize that nothing bought with AUR will actually have a resell value, primarily due to it being directly tied to the plex market. Why would someone pay 450m for a item that costs 3,500 Aur(or whatever 1 plex converts to)when they can buy a plex for 400m and get it themselves. So yes those who are isk rich can infact buy Nex items with ingame money. However what this will lead to is if you are neither space rich or RL rich you are ****ed.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:47:00 - [11] /visited stealth SP for sale thread, said hello, rolled eyes and left. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
Canuk EroSennin Gallente Public Security Section Nine	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:48:00 - [12] Originally by: dicen3 You work for CPP I see. I have already left. He works for the Canadian Pension Plan? He's a Certified Payroll Professional? Communist Party of the Philippines? Chemical Processing Plant? Crime Prevention Program? hmm..well guess it was just a typo on another failed "your a CCP alt" style come back. Yawn.
SirDreadlord	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:04:00 - [13] Originally by: NARDAC SirDreadLord, Microtransactions are the death of EVE, at least for me. Here is what I think about pay-to-win.... Unsub, unsub, unsub, unsub. "I would rather see CCP try new things to make more money than go bankrupt and shut down the servers." Or how about they stop using EVE players as the cash cow they are using to fund the developemnt of 2 additional games! Shut down Dust and WoD developemnt and use EVE subscription money to fund things that EVE players actually want developed. Screw CCP. I hope they do go bankrupt now. Let's be honest. Most veterens will not buy a gold item if their life depended on it. So how is this introduction making any veteran more of cash cow. Even more importantly, I know more veterens (5+ years) that make enough ISK to buy Plex and never have to pay a dime to play. Again, how is it the veterens are cash cows? It's the newbs like me that are the cash cows. We don't have the means to make that kind of ISK so we are the ones "forced" to pay. This just may allow CCP to make even more cash from newbs requiring less cash from Veterans.
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:06:00 - [14] Originally by: SirDreadlord Originally by: NARDAC SirDreadLord, Microtransactions are the death of EVE, at least for me. Here is what I think about pay-to-win.... Unsub, unsub, unsub, unsub. "I would rather see CCP try new things to make more money than go bankrupt and shut down the servers." Or how about they stop using EVE players as the cash cow they are using to fund the developemnt of 2 additional games! Shut down Dust and WoD developemnt and use EVE subscription money to fund things that EVE players actually want developed. Screw CCP. I hope they do go bankrupt now. Let's be honest. Most veterens will not buy a gold item if their life depended on it. So how is this introduction making any veteran more of cash cow. Even more importantly, I know more veterens (5+ years) that make enough ISK to buy Plex and never have to pay a dime to play. Again, how is it the veterens are cash cows? It's the newbs like me that are the cash cows. We don't have the means to make that kind of ISK so we are the ones "forced" to pay. This just may allow CCP to make even more cash from newbs requiring less cash from Veterans. The point they were trying to make by quitting: -----< here Your head: -----< here Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:08:00 - [15] Microtransactions can be the end of EvE, it their is a microtransactions that costs like some million euros called Big Bang. Baryogenesis FTW.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy B A N E	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:13:00 - [16] tl;dr, NO. ---
SirDreadlord	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:16:00 - [17] Originally by: dicen3 You work for CPP I see. I have already left. No sir, I do not. As someone has already pointed out, I am more of newb than a veteran, but clearly I didn't just make this account to post anonymously with. Eve is the first game I have played that was worth more than $60 for me to pay. I am just an exicited new member that is sad to see the player base dimished. An optimist trying to see the good in this.
SirDreadlord	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:25:00 - [18] Originally by: NARDAC SirDreadLord, Microtransactions are the death of EVE, at least for me. Here is what I think about pay-to-win.... Unsub, unsub, unsub, unsub. "I would rather see CCP try new things to make more money than go bankrupt and shut down the servers." Or how about they stop using EVE players as the cash cow they are using to fund the developemnt of 2 additional games! Shut down Dust and WoD developemnt and use EVE subscription money to fund things that EVE players actually want developed. Screw CCP. I hope they do go bankrupt now. I am sorry to hear that. Even more sorry to see you go would be your corp/alliance mates. Can you explain something to me before you go. Why is it that all my newly found corp mates laughed at me when I was first podded in low sec. Telling me how much I sounded like a rage quiter. That I needed to learn that ship losses and getting pod'd were to be expected and something I had to get over. Why are all these veterans with that mentality all of sudden now sounding like rage quitters themselves? Also, if learning to deal with frequent losses is part of the game, how many AUR purchased items do you suspect the average Eve player can afford to lose at that kind of frequency?
Tzuzeku	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:28:00 - [19] Originally by: SirDreadlord Let's be honest. Most veterans will not buy a gold item if their life depended on it. Were we being honest, we'd acknowledge the market research on MT introduction that shows most veterans will buy advantage items, as will most forum screamers, perhaps because these groups are predominantly those with so much personal ego invested in their in-game status that they can least bear to be "second rate" by any measure. A little less false bravado, a little less temper tantrum, a little more dispassionate reason and CCP might better hear the concerns of a player base it would prefer to keep than one it might well, in the long run, be better off losing.
SirDreadlord	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Tzuzeku Originally by: SirDreadlord Let's be honest. Most veterans will not buy a gold item if their life depended on it. Were we being honest, we'd acknowledge the market research on MT introduction that shows most veterans will buy advantage items, as will most forum screamers, perhaps because these groups are predominantly those with so much personal ego invested in their in-game status that they can least bear to be "second rate" by any measure. A little less false bravado, a little less temper tantrum, a little more dispassionate reason and CCP might better hear the concerns of a player base it would prefer to keep than one it might well, in the long run, be better off losing. Having only invested 6 months into the game so far, I cannot relate to this, but I certainly see the validity in the statement. Very well worded. And for anyone in that position, I would hope they understand that no amount of money/AUR could purhase enough items at one time that would surpass anything they have achieved or accumulated after so many years. Especially if the crafting of those items is based on purchases from the current market. If my last sentence is true, maybe demand will increase and the market go stronger. Even more so, those items purchased in the hands of newb will never equal those same items or even lesser items in the hands of a skilled veteran.
Juan Sezole The Colonial Forces	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:00:00 - [21] Putting aside my pitchfork and torch for a second Lets admit it, rich kids buy SP all the time, its called the character bazaar. The difference between that and SP for AUR is that SOMEONE has trained that toon, bought the skillboooks, paid the plex/subs. Its a player driven market. SP for AUR is basically paying CCP, thereby negating the player driven aspect of the game. New players have massive advantages over those of us who have played for as little as a year, no one month grind for learning skills, a tutorial system that is 1000 times better than when I started and with the right coaching a 14 day old player can be in a ship that is THE best in its class and a proven killer. (Dramiel - seriously go run the numbers its scary) The whole "but they wont know what to do with them" is an erronious arguement. Throw enough noobs into a fleet and they basically can be unstoppable, add in "enhancements" like 1 day old titan pilots, well you can see where this game will end. Vanity items for the super stupid is fine, start changing the playing field, from my cold dead hands.
SirDreadlord	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Juan Sezole Putting aside my pitchfork and torch for a second Lets admit it, rich kids buy SP all the time, its called the character bazaar. The difference between that and SP for AUR is that SOMEONE has trained that toon, bought the skillboooks, paid the plex/subs. Its a player driven market. SP for AUR is basically paying CCP, thereby negating the player driven aspect of the game. New players have massive advantages over those of us who have played for as little as a year, no one month grind for learning skills, a tutorial system that is 1000 times better than when I started and with the right coaching a 14 day old player can be in a ship that is THE best in its class and a proven killer. (Dramiel - seriously go run the numbers its scary) The whole "but they wont know what to do with them" is an erronious arguement. Throw enough noobs into a fleet and they basically can be unstoppable, add in "enhancements" like 1 day old titan pilots, well you can see where this game will end. Vanity items for the super stupid is fine, start changing the playing field, from my cold dead hands. Thank you for setting aside the pitchfork for a moment. You make a very valid point and it helps us newer players understand where the veterans are coming from. I would also add that I hear a recurring them when discussing this topic. They don't like playing with rich kids. You make mention of it here as well. Is this more the reason why MT is so dreaded by veterans? They fear it will attract spoiled brats to the game? Which I agree is possible. But I think vets would thouroughly enjoy getting a rage quit out of them. I see enough youtube videos referencing it anyway. I would also like to add my point view as a newer player. I find it frustrating that I have to wait 2 - 3 years before I can start to "level" the playing field with veterans. They currently have considerable more options than I will ever have. Until of course I match the years of experience and the number of accounts that most vets enjoy free of charge. I think most players that like that type of grind have found and are playing Eve. Which is also why CCP finds it difficult to attract new players. As the existing player base dies off (as I suspect most are of a higher age group), they are forced to find new blood to keep the game profitable. Or is it that the veterans have enjoyed their advantages over newer players and are mad to lose some of it? P.S. - I don't agree with your last statement. There will always be strength in numbers so you can throw enough noobs or enough veterans into a large enough fleet and be unstoppable. Didn't a group already prove that in Velators back in 2004 or 2005? I suspect the veterans have more means to assemble such a fleet than a bunch of noobs. Ever been in a fleet where all the newer members are talking at once and nobody knows what is going on?

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