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billybobbiill
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:13:00 -
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ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
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Shantie en'Lewarx
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:33:00 -
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I won't. It's a temporary increase due to medical science. In approximately ten generations, having ONE outwardly healthy baby will be a miracle of biblical proportions. Most of earth people will be hooked up on various stims and serums to fend off allergies and other disorders of genetic origin. For example: did you know that women's morning sickness was very uncommon in pre-industrial age? Do you know that its absence is now considered abnormal?
That's all because people discarded low-level natural selection too early. So, don't worry, almost everyone will die, rather shortly.
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Hieronymus Alexandre
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:36:00 -
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I'd start by waiting to see how technology adapts and advances to compensate for the population increase. The world's been 20 years away from total depletion for nearly 2 centuries while population growth consistently outstripped predicted rates. In 10-20 years we'll have functional hydrogen cell technology; 10-20 years from then nuclear fusion. Assuming similar advancements in agri-tech, we're barely scratching the surface of what we can do on this planet.
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Shantie en'Lewarx
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:50:00 -
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Food and energy are not the problem. The problem is genetic deterioration, which is not just progressing, but is rising at an exponential rate. In ten generations or so, there will be virtually no people that can survive without taking medication constantly. In fifty, there will be no more natural-born people. In a hundred more, only third world countries will survive.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: billybobbiill ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
Basic market forces and regulation of currently underpriced resources such as clean air and water. As materials get more expensive, you'd expect to see people use less of them, and to look for more alternatives. Also there's big scope for recycling of various materials, especially rare earths. Look up landfill mining, for example.
Also the world population is expected to cap out at 10 billion by 2100 as the emerging economy birthrates slow down as their average income and education level goes up. And its just under 7 billion now. Its likely that basic food supplies will be under the greatest strain, especially if climate change reduces the arable land available.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shantie en'Lewarx Food and energy are not the problem. The problem is genetic deterioration, which is not just progressing, but is rising at an exponential rate. In ten generations or so, there will be virtually no people that can survive without taking medication constantly. In fifty, there will be no more natural-born people. In a hundred more, only third world countries will survive.
Do you actually mean it's rising at an exponential rate, or are you just using that word as a fancy way to say "it's rising a lot"?
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shantie en'Lewarx Food and energy are not the problem. The problem is genetic deterioration, which is not just progressing, but is rising at an exponential rate. In ten generations or so, there will be virtually no people that can survive without taking medication constantly. In fifty, there will be no more natural-born people. In a hundred more, only third world countries will survive.
Do you actually have any proof for this or are you just putting some random words together (as the previous poster mentioned, do you even know what exponential means?)
Ontopic, I dont believe there will be a problem. Of all the (really) developed countries only the US is growing due to its birthrate (thats what you get with all those fundis), all others are either decreasing in population or only increasing due to immigration. So I dont see any reason to assume third world countries wont also start lowering their birth rate when they develop further. Aditionally the only issue with more people is energy, and I believe we can solve the energy problems.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 04/07/2011 09:57:14
Originally by: Shantie en'Lewarx Food and energy are not the problem. The problem is genetic deterioration.
Either provide some facts, or stop spouting nonsense.
Originally by: billybobbiill ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
We are alreday fighitng for resources, ig you had not noticed.
What needs to change? Our society neesd to change, more spesifically our value system. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.04 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: billybobbiill ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
The population is only rising in specific regions. Most of Europe (and sub saharan Africa) is actually at or below sustaining levels. Eastern Europe and notably Russia is in terminal decline. The population of the UK for example is only rising due to foreign born parents and economic migrants. Most of which are coming from sub-saharan Africa and eastern Europe oddly enough.
China will control itself as it has - with an iron fist. India and the Asian sub continent will simply run out of resources and people will starve in the streets. There will probably be anarchy or tyranical repression, either way it will be the same outcome for them.
The biggest threat to the human race is biological imho. We already have many drug resistant strains of common illnesses which we had 'eradicated' in the west returning with a vengeance.
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.04 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Shantie en'Lewarx Food and energy are not the problem. The problem is genetic deterioration, which is not just progressing, but is rising at an exponential rate. In ten generations or so, there will be virtually no people that can survive without taking medication constantly. In fifty, there will be no more natural-born people. In a hundred more, only third world countries will survive.
Do you actually have any proof for this or are you just putting some random words together (as the previous poster mentioned, do you even know what exponential means?)
Ontopic, I dont believe there will be a problem. Of all the (really) developed countries only the US is growing due to its birthrate (thats what you get with all those fundis), all others are either decreasing in population or only increasing due to immigration. So I dont see any reason to assume third world countries wont also start lowering their birth rate when they develop further. Aditionally the only issue with more people is energy, and I believe we can solve the energy problems.
Funnily enough male fertility is declining in the west. Probably due to a combination of environmental factors ie. the level of chemicals inc. hormones in our food supply. Although nobody has explained why that is the case - a lot of folks seem to relate fertility peaks and torughs with macro economic and social issues on a generational basis. Easterlin hyopthesis etc. Usually we have a war to sort all this **** out.
The one thing we can't actually do anymore. War was always the cleanser of nations and the cataylst to technological and social advancement. Now we just have soccer.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:19:00 -
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Birth control in the water.
I think were due for a plague or something here soon. It can't be evil if nature does it right?
I still people should have to take a test to breed. You have to take one to drive, and whats far more destructive a car or a person?
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Birth control in the water.
I think were due for a plague or something here soon. It can't be evil if nature does it right?
I still people should have to take a test to breed. You have to take one to drive, and whats far more destructive a car or a person?
You've seen Idiocracy right? Pretty much nail head on the.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.07.04 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 04/07/2011 18:02:30
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Birth control in the water.
I think were due for a plague or something here soon. It can't be evil if nature does it right?
I still people should have to take a test to breed. You have to take one to drive, and whats far more destructive a car or a person?
Obviously the car in your example. The safety of everyone in traffic relies on everyone knowing and following a certain set of rules. These rules are somewhat arbitrary, so you can't know them all by instinct alone. Not knowing them also greatly increases the risk of dying and injury for you and others, so testing drivers is a necessity.
Breeding on the other isn't destructive or harmful to others and is so primal of an act that people can do it on instinct alone, so a test isn't going to do any good. People can become dangerous, but parenting and education are the important factors here, who did the actual breeding or where the breeding happened is irrelevant outside the immediate family circle. As far as I'm aware parenting is regulated to some extent by addressing any problems that emerge even against the wishes of the parents and getting a teaching position requires extensive education and therefore testing. That means there is testing and monitoring, but it's just focused on where it matters and is actually needed.
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Yoa Loother
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Posted - 2011.07.04 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: billybobbiill how would you solve the problem.
DonŠt worry concerned brainwashed sheeple. Your benevolent elites are already on the problem for decades.
They gladly introduced feminism to the western world to plunge our birthrate under the sustainability threshold.
Making women compete with men for menial jobs instead of with each other for raising big families. While all the time elevating promiscuity as the "new religion". Leading to girls wasting their most fertile and beautiful years on bad boys, thus becoming unable to properly bond with their boring "provider type" chumps later in life when the bio-clock is screaming at them. _ .. darn |
Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.07.04 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pure Tabasco on 04/07/2011 18:31:10 Edited by: Pure Tabasco on 04/07/2011 18:30:09 Lol, we think in 20 years the world its not gonna sustain itself, but maybe the future its in actually learning to administrate what we got. Right now we got the biggest disorder called consumism, wich we have taken to a extreme in the last decades. We just need to make progress in how to maximise the use of space, recycle what we dont use (effectively doing a recycle backbone, not the stuff we got that isnt truly organized or solved. Like a true recycle economy, something well organized) and to have a better transportation system.
Hey, maybe in 40 years your fece$ instead of going to a normal treatment plant it will be processed and sent to the nearest food making building, where you buy your tomatos grown next to your block.
If not, then my bet its in Space. I'M IN SPACE! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.07.04 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yoa Loother
Originally by: billybobbiill how would you solve the problem.
DonŠt worry concerned brainwashed sheeple. Your benevolent elites are already on the problem for decades.
They gladly introduced feminism to the western world to plunge our birthrate under the sustainability threshold.
Making women compete with men for menial jobs instead of with each other for raising big families. While all the time elevating promiscuity as the "new religion". Leading to girls wasting their most fertile and beautiful years on bad boys, thus becoming unable to properly bond with their boring "provider type" chumps later in life when the bio-clock is screaming at them.
My peers laughed at me when I explained these phenomena as signs of population control, and up to this day they fail to see certain "trends" in both sexuality and society's way of handling things lead to population control measures.
Add to this the "Multiple Choice" problem in partners further confusing the act, add a bit of constant erosion of the Mononuclear family in both TV shows, series, movies and you end up with a group of severely misinformed women and men that get carried away in this strange movement of sorts <wheter guided or not by a shadow elite, that is inconsequential to the net effect> and you get things like over 20 year old single males/females living with their parents up to 30 or more without settling in out side the house, lower birth rates and whatnot.
It's interesting if you try to see it from outside any kind of tinfoil hattery and actually do a research like the one being done in Spain right now to understand why Spanish Women end up 50+ alone and single in Big Cities there.
Also, to whoever pointed out the US birth rate is good, can I remind you the birth rate keeps being steady there due to the influx of latinamericans? Even TIMES published a report pointing out that latinamericans not only surpassed ethnic blacks as a "minority" but at the current trend will overtake white americans in 30 years? And despite obesity and other health factors they have a median higher than blacks/whites? See, the language of the US in the future will be Spanglish Same as the language of the future in Europe will be a patois of Local language+Arabic
---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.07.04 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco
My peers laughed at me
I'm not in the least bit surprised, you're pretty entertaining. I for one would like to subscribe to your blog.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.04 19:43:00 -
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what we need is another bout of the spanish flu like just after WW1 that one killed more than the than the actual war itself .... as long as i`m alive after the pandemic it pretty much do the job of culling the masses a little bit
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.07.04 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Brujo Loco
My peers laughed at me
I'm not in the least bit surprised, you're pretty entertaining. I for one would like to subscribe to your blog.
For reasons known to me only, this made me both very sad <on the verge of watering my eyes for full QQ> and very very happy <wide gring and smile with sense of joy>
---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.07.04 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nak hak on 04/07/2011 20:33:35 Educate the women of the world. Educated women have less children. Seems educated women learn how to use birth control. Educate them.
Of course, with women being more educated means you EVE Online players are going to be having a lot less sex. If one can have less then none.
Your future begins now.
Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous |
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.07.04 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nak hak Edited by: Nak hak on 04/07/2011 20:33:35 Educate the women of the world. Educated women have less children. Seems educated women learn how to use birth control. Educate them.
Of course, with women being more educated means you EVE Online players are going to be having a lot less sex. If one can have less then none.
Your future begins now.
You play EVE online too.. don't pretend you're the only unique person here.
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.04 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Nak hak EVE Online players sex.
don't pretend you're the only unique person here.
Meh, ignore the troll.
Especially ones preoccupied with how moist you keep your William.
Weirdos.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: billybobbiill how would you solve the problem.
I don't think it's solvable, so will let it solve itself.
I do believe if there is another world war, it will be for dividing up the final remaining resources.
If there isn't a world war, then there will be unification of a positive or negative kind.
If it's positive, then the whole world will unite and divide everything equally, without anyone having more than their neighbour. No more 'my TV is bigger than yours' situations.
If it's negative, then we will all be told that 'due to extreme circumstances' we all have to work together and deal with extreme hardship for a century or two, with all communication and information controlled 'to protect us' against those who oppose 'safety'. Pretty easy to do if you control education, as after 2 generations people will do as you have programmed them to do. Even easier if you pump them with drugs. Some say this is almost a reality today.
So, its a classic dystopian/utopian perception of our future. The kind of stuff that has been written about in sci-fi novels for years, and is completely plausible.
It's all interesting stuff, as the title of this post suggest, it's about 'what is evil', when I think it's about 'what would we prefer' - global thermonuclear war? Or having no rights 'for our own protection'?
Utopian futures are unfortunately a very bleak possibility, as we tend to kill people who try and unite us...Lennon, Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Gandhi...
AK
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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.07.04 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Nak hak on 04/07/2011 23:46:44
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Nak hak Edited by: Nak hak on 04/07/2011 20:33:35 Educate the women of the world. Educated women have less children. Seems educated women learn how to use birth control. Educate them.
Of course, with women being more educated means you EVE Online players are going to be having a lot less sex. If one can have less then none.
Your future begins now.
You play EVE online too.. don't pretend you're the only unique person here.
Everyone to their own uniqueness. So Riley, want is your option on world population growth?
Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous |
Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.07.04 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liva Daril
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Nak hak EVE Online players sex.
don't pretend you're the only unique person here.
Meh, ignore the troll.
Especially ones preoccupied with how moist you keep your William.
Weirdos.
So Liva, want is your option on world population growth? It's okay if you don't have one. Maybe you just trolling.
Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 04:03:00 -
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Nothing a little bit of global genocide can't solve.
Oh, you meant a non-evil solution? Easy. I'll just define global genocide for the sake of resource efficiency of the human race as a good act and it's no longer evil. Ta-da! --------
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nak hak just trolling.
Well my genitals obsessed friend, IŠll just leave it to Ike.
Quote: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.
We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [à] Is there no other way the world may live?
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.05 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: billybobbiill ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
Easy.
Soylent Green.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.05 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: billybobbiill ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
Easy.
Soylent Green.
ahh but soylent green was about reprocessing the dead for food ... not actually killing them off ...well not so much as the op was intimating
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billybobbiill
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: billybobbiill ok so the worlds population is consantly growing at the moment where on 6 billion but give it a decade or 2 and itl probably go up a notch. with the increased population the raw materials that sustain our civilisation will be very stretched, eventualy running out. wich in turn would probably lead to political rivelry over resources.
how would you solve the problem.
Easy.
Soylent Green.
thats an idea but i think if you kept the nbame soylent green people would catch on pretty quick
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