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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.07.04 20:49:00 -
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I just started a brand new Eve account last week, solely for an S&I char.
After many hours of reading guides, etc., I believe I now have a basic working knowledge of most things, but I am still admittedly new to S&I, and still very ignorant of many aspects. However, I would love to jump into it full time as it is one of the last unexplored areas of Eve for me. I am not new to the game by any means, and I play alone; I have taught myself most of what I know in Eve through my own individual research and countless hours of reading. I am an ex-market tycoon, and made billions off of that. However, I gave that up a while ago, mainly because it just lost its challenge.
I am not coming here asking some billionaire S&I pro to tell me how to get rich quick. I am not asking for someone else to do all the work for me and give me easy answers. I love challenges, doing stuff on my own, and the pursuit of knowledge. I am asking for help in answering some basic questions, and giving me some basic direction on where to focus my time and talents to make money in S&I. Unfortunately, these are not the kind of questions that can really be asked in a public forum such as this, because naturally, everyone's afraid that I will become a competitive threat in the Eve universe (and hell, they're right LOL).
I am intelligent, hardworking, and teachable. I am also a good businessman (read: very generous and take care of my friends) ;) I just don't have time to turn this into a full time job - like I did with playing the market - and I'd like to shave off a bit of the learning curve here by having an S&I mentor. I was hoping to meet up with someone who maybe already made their fortune in S&I, and honestly just doesn't mind helping a new guy discover "the secrets" to being successful. Again though - not looking for a handout, just guidance. So... is anyone out there who's been successful in S&I willing to take me under their wing?
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Invictra Atreides
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.04 21:09:00 -
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Wait ... wouldn't you normally go to the trade/market channel or something for that? I bet most basic questions can be answered there. Ask more specific questions to avoid getting the normal general answers 
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Mad Constructor
Mad Industrys
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Posted - 2011.07.04 21:22:00 -
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Your best bet is to join an indy corp. Failing that just dive in and start making ammo. It won't make you rich, but will get your feet wet. An apprentice does the master little that an extra alt could no do, so they are very rare in EVE.
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.07.04 21:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Invictra Atreides
Wait ... wouldn't you normally go to the trade/market channel or something for that? I bet most basic questions can be answered there. Ask more specific questions to avoid getting the normal general answers
Why would I go to MD for questions on how to most efficiently focus my time and resources in S&I...? I already know how to read, analyze, and predict markets. Specific questions? People (who are wise) don't publicly answer specific questions on how to make money, for the obvious reason I already stated.
Not gonna lie... this reply is pretty oblivious. Does there need to be a TL;DR version of my already brief OP for the typical trolls, or what?
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.07.04 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Operator XIII on 04/07/2011 21:30:36
Originally by: Mad Constructor
Your best bet is to join an indy corp. Failing that just dive in and start making ammo. It won't make you rich, but will get your feet wet.
Yeah I am already working on T2 ammo right now. But I wanna learn how to get rich LOL. I have no idea what I should be doing with my time (and skill training) - reprocessing, inventing, manufacturing, researching, etc. I just simply have no idea what is a good, efficient source of S&I income, and what is more or less a waste of time currently in Eve.
Originally by: Mad Constructor
An apprentice does the master little that an extra alt could no do, so they are very rare in EVE.
Yeah, I know, I know... I was just hoping to find a kind soul who enjoys teaching people that are eager to learn. 
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Invictra Atreides
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.04 21:46:00 -
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I see ... I misunderstood your question. I believe any technical question you might have won't be a problem. I make 1.5 bil minimum per month. I can tell you how. Can tell you all the game mechanics that are involved. But it is not fun. Many would say its boring as hell. So what u say?
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.07.04 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Invictra Atreides
I see ... I misunderstood your question. I believe any technical question you might have won't be a problem. I make 1.5 bil minimum per month. I can tell you how. Can tell you all the game mechanics that are involved. But it is not fun. Many would say its boring as hell. So what u say?
I would love to know how, and I apologize for my frustration earlier. That would be a fantastic start. However, more than that, I'm honestly much more interested in discussing the why's and how's associated with the different areas of opportunity within S&I (and possibly subsequent market activity, in the case of manufacturing, for example). I'll look for you in game if you're serious about talking about this stuff with me
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Alex The Macedonian
Beyond The Limit Research INC
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Posted - 2011.07.08 23:18:00 -
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You dont need to read too much to get rich in S&I, but have to know that t1 manufacturing wont do it, it sucks, bpo copying will get you rich but if you have a capital bpo wich will require you to be rich already. So it only leaves T2 manufacturing wich as said above will net you 1.5-2B per month and that is for 1 character. The next alt wich can be trained for a month on the same account will double that. All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.07.09 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alex The Macedonian
All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more.
You no longer need a spreadsheet,
The last couple of weeks some really awesome tools where launched.
try,
isk/h (standalone tool)
production mixer (online) |
Killertox
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.09 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: clixor
Originally by: Alex The Macedonian
All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more.
You no longer need a spreadsheet,
The last couple of weeks some really awesome tools where launched.
try,
isk/h (standalone tool)
production mixer (online)
where can i find isk/h tool? |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2011.07.11 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Haulie Berry on 11/07/2011 05:13:52
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You dont need to read too much to get rich in S&I, but have to know that t1 manufacturing wont do it, it sucks, bpo copying will get you rich but if you have a capital bpo wich will require you to be rich already. So it only leaves T2 manufacturing wich as said above will net you 1.5-2B per month and that is for 1 character. The next alt wich can be trained for a month on the same account will double thatSmile. All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more.
WTF?
You can get quite wealthy off T1 manu if you are so inclined. It's logistics-intensive work, but if you want it to make you rich, it can do that quite handily.
Copying BPOs, however, will not make you rich. Copying is the consolation income you take if you are unable or unwilling to build.
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Psykikk Solette
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Posted - 2011.07.11 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Invictra Atreides
Wait ... wouldn't you normally go to the trade/market channel or something for that? I bet most basic questions can be answered there. Ask more specific questions to avoid getting the normal general answers
I also would like to get to know what you do and how you do it. I would love to have this income to fuel other "activities"....Boring an "no fun" would be ok. thats what alts are for, no ?
Regards
Psykikk
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Psykikk Solette
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Posted - 2011.07.11 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Haulie Berry
Edited by: Haulie Berry on 11/07/2011 05:13:52
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You dont need to read too much to get rich in S&I, but have to know that t1 manufacturing wont do it, it sucks, bpo copying will get you rich but if you have a capital bpo wich will require you to be rich already. So it only leaves T2 manufacturing wich as said above will net you 1.5-2B per month and that is for 1 character. The next alt wich can be trained for a month on the same account will double thatSmile. All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more.
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WTF?
You can get quite wealthy off T1 manu if you are so inclined. It's logistics-intensive work, but if you want it to make you rich, it can do that quite handily.
Please, let me know how. so far my efforts didnt seem to outweigh the cost... meaning if there was margin it was VERY small.
i am willing to learn. show how it¦s done plz.
regards
Psykikk
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Alex The Macedonian
Beyond The Limit Research INC
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Posted - 2011.07.11 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Haulie Berry
Edited by: Haulie Berry on 11/07/2011 05:13:52
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You dont need to read too much to get rich in S&I, but have to know that t1 manufacturing wont do it, it sucks, bpo copying will get you rich but if you have a capital bpo wich will require you to be rich already. So it only leaves T2 manufacturing wich as said above will net you 1.5-2B per month and that is for 1 character. The next alt wich can be trained for a month on the same account will double thatSmile. All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more.
WTF?
You can get quite wealthy off T1 manu if you are so inclined. It's logistics-intensive work, but if you want it to make you rich, it can do that quite handily.
Copying BPOs, however, will not make you rich. Copying is the consolation income you take if you are unable or unwilling to build.
Logistic-intensive? You mean its all about where you sell your products, and that requires a lot of work, work which is in the Trader departament and getting rich in T1 production is a lot dependant on that. So you are just better off just trading, not producing. T2 is a lot defferent...And capital copying will get you rich, just not as much as capital production if u have the bpo...
PS. Please mail me when you make 2B in a month on T1 items with a single char
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2011.07.11 15:01:00 -
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Logistic-intensive? You mean its all about where you sell your products,
No, I mean the volume of raw material you will have to move is large. Keeping even a single industry slot working on some of the higher margin T1 items can take upwards of a dozen freighter loads of minerals per month.
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T2 is a lot defferent...
Yeah - there's less hauling and more clicking.
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And capital copying will get you rich,
It really, really won't. Sub-supercap copying is pretty much garbage. Supercap copying is good for the amount of effort involved, but relative to the capital investment is pretty meh.
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PS. Please mail me when you make 2B in a month on T1 items with a single char
You say that like 2B in a month is a ludicrously high amount. 
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Cerrano
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.14 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cerrano on 14/07/2011 21:41:09
Originally by: Killertox
Originally by: clixor
Originally by: Alex The Macedonian
All you need is a damn good speedsheet and there are a few out there waiting. Convo me ingame if you want to talk some more.
You no longer need a spreadsheet,
The last couple of weeks some really awesome tools where launched.
try,
isk/h (standalone tool)
production mixer (online)
where can i find isk/h tool?
Thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1531093
Direct download: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=547784
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