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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:12:00 -
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I was in a DED site the other day in high-sec, in my vexor, and another player (in a tengu, obviously) comes in and targets me, gaining a yellow reticle. I had my drones out on aggressive. I was worried the drones would attack him/her and I would get beat up by concord, so I put my drones on passive.
Would the drones have attacked him/her, just for targeting me? What if I had targeted the other player back? (The other player stole my faction kill anyway.)
I had a look on the net and I couldn't find any good answers.
Cheers. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2878
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:14:00 -
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Based on my limited experience it seems that the drones only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:34:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.
This is how it's supposed to work. I've noticed that a lot of times my drones will just sit there though; they're a little iffy. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
193
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:35:00 -
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Drones set to aggressive will only attack someone who aggresses you, so nope, they can never get you Concorded and they don't go after people who flip your cans etc., only people who directly take aggressive actions against your ship. |
Kari Juptris
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:47:00 -
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They won't get you concorded, but they can and will screw with your aggression timer at for gates and docking. |
Riot Girl
Perkone
Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:54:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes. This is how it's supposed to work. I've noticed that a lot of times my drones will just sit there though; they're a little iffy.
They only respond if they are already present when you are attacked by a particular hostile.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:34:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.
This is exactly how drones work. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2421
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:48:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes. This is exactly how drones work.
Or if you fire/activate modules on someone else.
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.09.17 23:26:00 -
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Of course, someone can use them against you.
You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
978
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Posted - 2012.09.17 23:44:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Of course, someone can use them against you.
You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.
This is incorrect.
Only theft flags you to the corp. |
Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
Orbital Bombardmant
59
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Posted - 2012.09.18 00:57:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:Of course, someone can use them against you.
You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust. This is incorrect. Only theft flags you to the corp.
The drones attack the other player and thus flagging you. I think... |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
3473
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:03:00 -
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Agent Akari wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:Of course, someone can use them against you.
You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust. This is incorrect. Only theft flags you to the corp. The drones attack the other player and thus flagging you. I think...
No. Because that guy was defending himself...he would only have aggro with the guy who was the aggressor. None of his corp mates would be able to attack him. |
LilRemmy
Synaptic Void
The Kadeshi
66
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:05:00 -
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Point is... the guy loses his cheap noob ship, docks and comes back in a real ship. |
Matthias Duran
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:18:00 -
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LilRemmy wrote:Point is... the guy loses his cheap noob ship, docks and comes back in a real ship.
And then gets concorded again, as his gcc timer is still active. If he waits for that to end, the other player's aggression timer will have ended as well. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:27:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Agent Akari wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:Of course, someone can use them against you.
You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust. This is incorrect. Only theft flags you to the corp. The drones attack the other player and thus flagging you. I think... No. Because that guy was defending himself...he would only have aggro with the guy who was the aggressor. None of his corp mates would be able to attack him.
I don't know, I used a NOS on a person who I can flipped in Jita yesterday after they aggressed me, and two of their Corp mates and the one I flipped vaporized my ship without Concord response once I did that. They were present when I used the NOS though, and I imagine in Fleet with the person.
I was just testing the armor reps on a Hyperion I built, and wanted to see if I could manage the Reps and 2 min. docking timer. Bhaalgorn and Vindi kind of screwed that up though.  Still, it was fun, and I didn't mind losing the ship.
I Pyfa'd the stupid thing after I bought the materials and threw it into manufacturing and realized I'd made a mistake. None of the Gallente Battleships are particularly good, but the Hyperion is particularly bad, and doesn't fit armor tank worth ****, despite its bonuses.
I think I managed to cycle one of my armor reps once, both my Cap boosters, and was waiting for the 3 Armor reps to make a full cycle when the Vindi and Bhaalgorn pretty much Alpha'd me with the help of the Hurricane. That took me all the way into structure, and my ship blew up before the Reps finished their respective cycles.
I know, it can get a pretty decent buffer, but I was trying to use the bonuses and the armor buffer wouldn't have survived 2 minutes anyway. Either way, it is really kind of pathetic and reminds me of my last turn in a Rokh, which isn't any better really.
Hopefully Tiericide and ship rebalancing will get there and do something about it soon. Next summer maybe.. 
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Fortunately, it was insured, so I got 221 million of that back; unfortunately, the insurance cast 66 million, so still lost ~100 million, even if my wallet isn't substantially different from what it was before I started. Couple sales of some stuff, and I hardly noticed.
P.S. It was a fair fight. It took nearly 10 minutes for the Vindi and Bhaalgorn to show up and I could have docked at very nearly any time, up until I tried to make sure the Hurricane pilot didn't think I was just going to dock up as I had deagressed after the 10-20 seconds while waiting for my shields to go down.
Actually thought they were going to give up before I could test my tank. I was sort of aware of the other possibility too, but not really concerned. 
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Lin Gi'Do
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:38:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:I don't know, I used a NOS on a person who I can flipped in Jita yesterday after they aggressed me, and two of their Corp mates and the one I flipped vaporized my ship without Concord response once I did that. They were present when I used the NOS though, and I imagine in Fleet with the person.
The whole canflipping was your problem there, not the use of your NOS on him.
You stole from them and that flags you for the whole corp.
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:54:00 -
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Lin Gi'Do wrote:Mars Theran wrote:I don't know, I used a NOS on a person who I can flipped in Jita yesterday after they aggressed me, and two of their Corp mates and the one I flipped vaporized my ship without Concord response once I did that. They were present when I used the NOS though, and I imagine in Fleet with the person. The whole canflipping was your problem there, not the use of your NOS on him. You stole from them and that flags you for the whole corp.
Cool, I see that in some of the other stuff too. I'm not exactly familiar with can-flipping or aggression systems. I haven't done a lot of fighting in Empire space. Also, limited fighting out of Empire space; and virtually never the aggressor.
Makes sense that they were just waiting for me to lock myself out of the station then.
I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
49
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:09:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:I was in a DED site the other day in high-sec, in my vexor, and another player (in a tengu, obviously) comes in and targets me, gaining a yellow reticle. I had my drones out on aggressive. I was worried the drones would attack him/her and I would get beat up by concord, so I put my drones on passive.
Would the drones have attacked him/her, just for targeting me? What if I had targeted the other player back? (The other player stole my faction kill anyway.)
I had a look on the net and I couldn't find any good answers.
Cheers.
That's why anything worth something I target it, if I get a visitor I blow it up, all the other trash they can have I love them getting mad and bumping me to express their frustration. |
Tul Breetai
Freelance Wealth Redistribution Specialists
Insurance Fraud.
1
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:58:00 -
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It's incredible how easily players will correct someone with incorrect statements of their own. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1908
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Posted - 2012.09.18 08:11:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:It's incredible how easily players will correct someone with incorrect statements of their own.
It does not help the fact that EvE has the most intricate PvP flagging system ever conceived.
Its code probably looks like to an Italian law articles.
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
195
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Posted - 2012.09.18 08:26:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:[quote=Yokai Mitsuhide]
I know, it can get a pretty decent buffer, but I was trying to use the bonuses and the armor buffer wouldn't have survived 2 minutes anyway. Either way, it is really kind of pathetic and reminds me of my last turn in a Rokh, which isn't any better really.
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Nice troll tbh. rokh and hype being the most ridiculously overtanked bs in game.
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
195
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Posted - 2012.09.18 08:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tul Breetai wrote:It's incredible how easily players will correct someone with incorrect statements of their own. It does not help the fact that EvE has the most intricate PvP flagging system ever conceived. Its code probably looks like to an Italian law articles.
Its not intricate at all .....
Player A is viable target I can shoot him.
Player B assists (i.e. reps) Player A I can shoot him (doesn't matter what corp or fleet etc he is in).
I shoot Player A or Player B they can shoot back (them and only them).
Viable target = someone who has stolen from my corp in the last 15 minutes, is at war with my corp, or someone I have active killrights on (actual killrights not the fagging people sometimes call killrights).
Aggro timer always lasts 15 minutes from last action
Italian law is just a bit more complex than that. |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
195
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Posted - 2012.09.18 08:44:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Of course, someone can use them against you.
You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.
Where do people come up with this nonsense? Is it all just word of mouth or does everyone just have the same overactive imagination? The starter corps are terrible for this sort of thing, new players start the game and are straight from the start given false information by the "npc corp till I die" types who have never actually played the game.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1224
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:33:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:[
I Pyfa'd the stupid thing after I bought the materials and threw it into manufacturing and realized I'd made a mistake. None of the Gallente Battleships are particularly good, but the Hyperion is particularly bad, and doesn't fit armor tank worth ****, despite its bonuses.
I agree that the Hype is quite bad in it's current state, it's simply missing one low slot and armor tanking is terribly unbalanced compared to shields. Hype doesn't even work that well with drugs and links :/
But there isn't anything wrong with the other two. Megathron is a very solid brawler, and Domi dominates with drone dmg amps. Brawling, neuting, POS bashing, PVE, it's sporting very high dps numbers combined with nice tank and utility.
Also note that you were popped by a Vindi, which is essentially a Gallente ship
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
306
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:25:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes. This is exactly how drones work. Or if you fire/activate modules on someone else.
that's a different option than aggressive/passive
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