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Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.07.10 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Strrog on 10/07/2011 00:12:43 Edited by: Strrog on 10/07/2011 00:12:31 I remember that Nyx was gong for like 30 bill like 1-2 years back, today tripped over some Nyx sell order for around 19b b/o, and found another one for 21 bill b/o.
Can anyone tell me the history of the pricing for Super Carriers?
I wanted to fly one since 2007ish or so :P, if I sell alt I may have enough to get one XD.
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Slow Poke
Dreddit
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Posted - 2011.07.10 02:31:00 -
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mineral prices are down compared to then |
trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.07.10 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Slow Poke mineral prices are down compared to then
i honestly do not think that was the reason. it was because not everyone could build them only mega blocks and looney built them. |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.10 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: trance atlas
Originally by: Slow Poke mineral prices are down compared to then
i honestly do not think that was the reason. it was because not everyone could build them only mega blocks and looney built them.
^This
plus think about it, there's been more opportunity for more BPOs to be researched to higher ME/PE, plus more have been built. If you were selling (completely arbitrary numbers here) something that cost 10bn to make, but there were only 100 of them in the galaxy, and only a few for sale you could charge a lot for it. if there were instead 1000 in the galaxy, and more for sale, you couldn't find a buyer at a high price as easily. |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.07.10 03:07:00 -
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Higher ME/PE, more folks building them, lower demand since the big 'gold rush' of hundresds of super-ready pilots with the resources to grab one right away ended. Now there's steady demand and steady supply and the cost of building has gone down too.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.07.10 06:04:00 -
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The heavy supercarrier nerf is looming over everything and causes people to be hesitant. Nyx bpop/c prices have crashed too. |
Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.07.10 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 10/07/2011 08:56:50
Originally by: Strrog if I sell alt I may have enough to get one XD.
people seem to like using characters as savings plans to accumulate the $$/ISK for a supercarrier. It's interesting how selling a character seems to be socially more acceptable than buying a huge stack of GTCs to fund a supercarrier (the one time I saw someone taking the second route he got mocked mercilessly for it - especially once he lost the sc).
(and 19-20b seems rather expensive, would have expected ~16b for the hull but I admit I haven't checked prices in quite some time)
edit: also consider that you don't lose supercapitals - alliances (other than PL) have grown extremely conservative about deploying them in the first place and if you log off a whole fleet of them once things go bad you'll usually only lose 2-3. |
Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.07.10 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II (and 19-20b seems rather expensive, would have expected ~16b for the hull but I admit I haven't checked prices in quite some time)
information from manufacturers: Nyx hull is worth 10-11 billions of minerals. |
Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.07.10 09:54:00 -
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I can't believe I am the only one to point this out.
Build costs went down on SC's because they could no longer fit clone vat bays - this meant they no longer needed the clone vat bay components within their build cost.
Besides that, yes, as demand has gone up, prices have come down. |
Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.07.10 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Cyaxares II (and 19-20b seems rather expensive, would have expected ~16b for the hull but I admit I haven't checked prices in quite some time)
information from manufacturers: Nyx hull is worth 10-11 billions of minerals.
Hull of Nyx for 11 bill? Damn. |
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Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.07.10 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Strrog on 10/07/2011 13:09:44
Originally by: Gnulpie The heavy supercarrier nerf is looming over everything and causes people to be hesitant. Nyx bpop/c prices have crashed too.
Well while nerf is not here does this drop in price possibly correlates to people not actually using Nyx in combat much? There was a report somewhere cant remember when but i think it was for 2010 that every quarter or so there were 300 Super caps built but that number does not come close to losses.
Do we have an estimate of how many build/lost in a month for example? |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.10 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 10/07/2011 13:42:54 Prices been going up and down from 24-16b on open market, its several reasons for that tho.
in 2006-2008 when my buddys (lachender henker/corvin banik) bought theirs nyxes was regarded as pimp carriers, since they had no fighterbombers, and basicly had 1.5-2x hp of a carrier. Henker bought his nyx for 22b(in 2007 I think), think the biggest reason was that its was so little demand/market for nyxes that it was just a handfull producers/bpo owners. Everyone know that producing 1000 units of something usually reduces the price/cost to produce said product pr unit when compared to producing 10 units of something.
Then I think it was around late 2009 you had the mineral reduction (cutting off another bill or two) also you had nyxes getting fighterbombers, which made them able to dish out dmg and not just be a pimp carrier. However they didnt boost its hitpoints which lead to some hilliarious situations where nyxes would get 1 vollyed by the non aoe doomsday(which could fire in low sec back then). prices was pretty low back then I think, 16-17b was common(keep in mind mineral cost is around 10b)
When I bought mine ealie 2010, they just added the hp buff(basicly the same week as I got mine or so), I paid 18.5b for a nyx with t1 trimarks and t2 fit(of some ROL duder).
By then everyone and their sister(mainly NC corps) started producing stockpiles of them selling them off to open marked without regards on who bought them. Russian was producing a lot aswell, however most of them would go to inhouse(we sometimes got offered very cheap supers as part of our merc contracts, 13b for t1/t2 trimark supers) Prices went down for a little back to around 16-17b.(t1 trimark fitted, about 18-19b for t2 trimarks) in the end of 2010/ealie 2011.
Situation now: NC dead, the biggest producer of supers for the open market gone, also lots of alliance (like PL) had their own supercap producing alt corps in NC which now either gone/on hold untill North is stabilized.
Nyxes prices have went up slightly but is pretty stable, mostly because there is so many of them on the open market, so 2nd or 3rd hand sellers can keep supply market for a good while, even if there was non in build ever, since basicly you only see 3-4 nyxes maybe killed each mothn.
However titan market(which is much smaller) have spiked through the roof( your looking at 85b for a erebus nowadays). However as long as there is someone (and there is) building nyxes around, that build more than 5-6 nyxes a mothn the supply would keep up with looses. But to be honest, I think more nyxes/supers in general is lost to their owners going "awol/leaving game/going inactive" that accually combat losses, since after all, its usually peoples endgame item. I know of several people that only final goal was to get a super, and once they gotten it, they got nothing left to do in eve. Also having a super is not the same as been able to use it, think many "random" duders find them unable to find any useage for them, and those who keep using them for stupid things quickly find themself killed. Even small/medium alliances(heck even NC/goons got this) usually have a very strict "only allowed to pvp when ordered by your supercap fc" rule. So basicly you will have a expesive char with a 20-25b ship locked down, been unable to do anything(but maybe some npcing) for 95% of the time, and the other 4% of the time been shooting ihub/pos structures/stations for your alliance and the last 1% been when your alliance whelp a fleet of them.
Also with the speculation(with confirmation from ccp) that supers getting a nerf, I guess not too many people is wanting to bind up a lot of new isk into superproduction.
keep in mind that all those prices I mentioned is open market prices, mineral cost/inhouse prices is a totaly another story.
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Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.07.10 13:39:00 -
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Thank you for great post Twisted Girl :)
Hmm ok so Nyx gets one shoted now? lol
I heard like the nerf is coming but have CCP agreed yet on what exactly gona get cut?
Idk but to be lev 4 sc pilot will take from now 165 days, I guess I just stay sub cap for now till this situation clears. |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.10 13:47:00 -
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Also I know atleast in PL(and I would assume other alliances can tell the same story) that many of the old supercap pilots is upgrading to titans after a while, thus suppling market with 2nd hand nyxes.
While once people sits in titans, there is nothing bigger to upgrade to. Thus very few titans get sold back to the market. |
Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.07.10 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Twisted Girl Also I know atleast in PL(and I would assume other alliances can tell the same story) that many of the old supercap pilots is upgrading to titans after a while, thus suppling market with 2nd hand nyxes.
While once people sits in titans, there is nothing bigger to upgrade to. Thus very few titans get sold back to the market.
Well I don't think there will be hundreds of Titans flying around they still cost Ally group purchase. Though I do not know how many 50 plus bill isk holders there are in eve, with the addition of Worm Hole income were folks can make few bill per WH in just a week, things can change pretty quickly towards more pilots in scs and titans.
Just looked up a BPC of Nyx at arround 500 mill Jita lol, and if it costs in house minerals say at arround 10 bill that does not seem like a big deal for dwellers of null.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.07.10 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Strrog
Just looked up a BPC of Nyx at arround 500 mill Jita lol, and if it costs in house minerals say at arround 10 bill that does not seem like a big deal for dwellers of null.
wow about 1 year ago one BPC was like 1.5b...
btw just wondering ; when the SC nerf appear, wouldn't a big part of SC pilot try to switch to titans ? making so that a few months later we'll see SC fleets remplaced by titans fleets ? or does the role of titans make that there's no interest at all doing that ? |
Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.10 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Twisted Girl Also I know atleast in PL(and I would assume other alliances can tell the same story) that many of the old supercap pilots is upgrading to titans after a while, thus suppling market with 2nd hand nyxes.
While once people sits in titans, there is nothing bigger to upgrade to. Thus very few titans get sold back to the market.
just out of curiosity: do they typically sell their supercarrier characters when doing so? putting a well-specced sc character into a titan seems like a tremendous waste of SP
the number of "used" sc characters for sale might give an estimate on the size of the second-hand market.
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.10 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 10/07/2011 22:46:55
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Twisted Girl Also I know atleast in PL(and I would assume other alliances can tell the same story) that many of the old supercap pilots is upgrading to titans after a while, thus suppling market with 2nd hand nyxes.
While once people sits in titans, there is nothing bigger to upgrade to. Thus very few titans get sold back to the market.
just out of curiosity: do they typically sell their supercarrier characters when doing so? putting a well-specced sc character into a titan seems like a tremendous waste of SP
the number of "used" sc characters for sale might give an estimate on the size of the second-hand market.
Once you pass a certain point , you got nothing left to train on your supercarrier char/alts, so then its kinda natural to start training for titans.
So , no, doubt many PL people sell their high sp "supercarrier/titan" chars to buy a "low sp" titan char. They also mostly sell their supers inhouse, or atleast they try to. Many people got a certain attetment/kill history to their characters when they have ownded them for 3-4 years++
This char for example does have max dread skills(capital hybrid 5 ect) and soon doomsday 5, what else can you train when you have maxed all supercarrier skills like 1.5year ago, and is about maxed leadershipskill wise? Seems pretty natural to me.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.11 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Twisted Girl Once you pass a certain point , you got nothing left to train on your supercarrier char/alts, so then its kinda natural to start training for titans.
So , no, doubt many PL people sell their high sp "supercarrier/titan" chars to buy a "low sp" titan char. They also mostly sell their supers inhouse, or atleast they try to. Many people got a certain attetment/kill history to their characters when they have ownded them for 3-4 years++
This char for example does have max dread skills(capital hybrid 5 ect) and soon doomsday 5, what else can you train when you have maxed all supercarrier skills like 1.5year ago, and is about maxed leadershipskill wise? Seems pretty natural to me.
I see your point about having and loving a main.
What I meant is that the natural progression skill-wise is imo:
battleship -> dread -> titan (logistics ->) carrier -> supercarrier
I don't really see the point of locking away more SP than necessary in a space coffin but of course I am still heavily SP-limited on all my accounts and that certainly influences my perspective.
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Twisted Girl Once you pass a certain point , you got nothing left to train on your supercarrier char/alts, so then its kinda natural to start training for titans.
So , no, doubt many PL people sell their high sp "supercarrier/titan" chars to buy a "low sp" titan char. They also mostly sell their supers inhouse, or atleast they try to. Many people got a certain attetment/kill history to their characters when they have ownded them for 3-4 years++
This char for example does have max dread skills(capital hybrid 5 ect) and soon doomsday 5, what else can you train when you have maxed all supercarrier skills like 1.5year ago, and is about maxed leadershipskill wise? Seems pretty natural to me.
I see your point about having and loving a main.
What I meant is that the natural progression skill-wise is imo:
battleship -> dread -> titan (logistics ->) carrier -> supercarrier
I don't really see the point of locking away more SP than necessary in a space coffin but of course I am still heavily SP-limited on all my accounts and that certainly influences my perspective.
Many people are not so focused into pure character ****s. For example my Titan pilot... battleship--->Carrier/Dread--->Super Carrier---> Titan. Lets just say my titan toon has really good drone skills and isn't going to be one of those titans with t1 heavy drones <3 |
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.07.11 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II alliances (other than PL) have grown extremely conservative about deploying them in the first place and if you log off a whole fleet of them once things go bad you'll usually only lose 2-3.
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Except that not all Nyx pilots go humping around in Null Sec alliances.
I saw several Nyx defending a POS in Low Sec over the weekend... I'd say they are deployed more often than you think, by pilots in all kinds of situations that don't include the "whole fleet of them" scenario...or Null Sec alliances for that matter.
Current prices will either be proven prudent if rumoured "nerf" happens... or prices will rebound (somewhat) if the nerf is either cancelled or isn't as bad as people fear it to be.
This and other exciting speculation is what makes EVE's market the great game it is.
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