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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:17:00 -
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Ok im thinking of selling my Cap Recharger II BPO.
The bidder will be, neutral to Imperium, will not have negative standings with us.
The reserve price is 20billion.
There will be a claus on this sale, but that will be negotiated with the winning bidder.
I reserve the right to remove this from auction as and when i see fit.
Aneu
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Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Aneu Angellus
The reserve price is 20billion.
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T'Rana
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:24:00 -
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You might wanna tell people the clause up front. This way people can decide if it's worth them bidding at all.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:38:00 -
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Yay; find a rich person and give them a way to get even richer. 
It's a shame to see this up for auction. Why not run a lottery instead, 1 mil a ticket. If an impoc is a good enough prize....
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:51:00 -
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Screnies'n all that plz.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Sin Angel
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:55:00 -
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its commonly known that he owns it he doesnt need to provide proof m8
bleh sux to be hostile
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Arkive
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Posted - 2005.02.23 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: T'Rana
You might wanna tell people the clause up front. This way people can decide if it's worth them bidding at all.
My guess is it goes something like this:
We sell you this Cap Charger II BPO at a cost of "Your Soul + 27 Bil", and you agree to supply our Corp with a predetermined number of Cap Charger II's each month, for corp use, at cost.
It's the only reason I can think of, especially given that it's stated that the BPO won't be sold to anyone they hold in negative standing.
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Exarch
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:01:00 -
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sounds like you got it about right lol, he gets very rich very fast and can still sell the cap chargers you must sell him at cost 
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FZappa
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:04:00 -
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hmm
never really understood why people sell these kind of high
profile , low trouble bpos. per month you could probably
make a few billions out of it . what on earth can you spend
so many billions on O_o
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Caesium
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:07:00 -
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how would you enforce any sort of claus after the bpo has left your control?
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Stingray Mk2
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Stingray Mk2 on 23/02/2005 17:14:31
Maybe Aneu has some inside tips about cap rechargers being nerfed 
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ManchesterTart
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:21:00 -
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I think CR II's are going to get a cap size/armour boosting penalty similar to CPR's.
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:24:00 -
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who owns the other bpo's?
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:27:00 -
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well seeing as no one has bid yet i'll start off with
100 mills (i know super low but its all i have :) )
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vegeta
Screnies'n all that plz.
Aneu is a well known Cap 2 BPO owner.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Vegeta
Screnies'n all that plz.
Aneu is a well known Cap 2 BPO owner.
Guess I'll start with a bid of 5 Billion then :)
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:40:00 -
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This should be a WTS and not auction. There are no auction terms, no ending date, no bid increments, etc.
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War Games
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: War Games on 23/02/2005 18:01:33
I'm going to guess the stipulations are that you allow them access to your account to verify you are not hostile nor are making an alt. Though this would be against the EULA and they couldn't put it in a term on the auction. It's a pretty clever, yet lazy form of scamming if you ask me. I would becareful if they want anykind of access to your account, sounds like a lazy corp theif looking to get access to people's accounts.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Khatred on 23/02/2005 18:11:38
I'd give you 20 bil cause I am bored and our Cap Rec II stock just got to an all time low of 300
But that clause thingy is a joke, right?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:22:00 -
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@_@ how about i produce them from now on and take 5% from the profit @_@
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Kotori
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:36:00 -
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damm i want one of these... how do you get them neways?
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Zarthanon on 23/02/2005 20:59:36
Research Agents... but I don't think any more will be handed out...
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Kotori
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:41:00 -
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what research agents?
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:42:00 -
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Hmm, now the irony is.. the majority of those who would be able to afford this are the other cap recharger II BPO owners. 
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:44:00 -
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I guess i can understand why you are selling this. The problem is that this BPO has been so incredibly valuable for so long that it will command a price such that uncertainty about game mechanics changes up to 1-1.5 years from now will probably weight heavily in the price people are willing to pay.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:44:00 -
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i smell nerf alert
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:55:00 -
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Its pointless to state anything about neutrality due to alts. You might as well be selling it to a Shinra member
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ChernoChiel
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:03:00 -
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somehow i have a feeling this Auction will go on until the reserve is met
as there are no rules in the startpost, who knows what will happen :X
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O're Hunter
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:20:00 -
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I'm guessing the claus will be you have to maintain the currently "stupid" price fixing crap
if you undercut everyone else and started selling for 5-8mil you'd pee everyone else off..
CCP should release me bpo's anyway all this tech 2 "being release" is just far too slow and takes far too long to get a decent price for ANYTHING |
Hast
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: O're Hunter
I'm guessing the claus will be you have to maintain the currently "stupid" price fixing crap
if you undercut everyone else and started selling for 5-8mil you'd pee everyone else off..
CCP should release me bpo's anyway all this tech 2 "being release" is just far too slow and takes far too long to get a decent price for ANYTHING
no, someone smart will buy your stock for 5-8mill and resell it for 20mills 
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DARKKK
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:30:00 -
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these cap recharger IIs are not so popular... regular pvper does not use em, cause they are expensive, and l33t ships these days are ravens, and they have no need for em... so...
Prices will drop...
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Cauliflower
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: DAR***
these cap recharger IIs are not so popular... regular pvper does not use em, cause they are expensive
So wrong.
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Soros
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cauliflower
Originally by: DAR***
these cap recharger IIs are not so popular... regular pvper does not use em, cause they are expensive
So wrong.
Darr***- Some do, Some dont, l33t ships do not just include ravens, my apoc is pretty sweet
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:39:00 -
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How about less yap and more bidding?
I wanna see what one of these babies is worth ^^
dbp
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:51:00 -
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Obviously if someone has 20 bil to spend on a single BPO then they have no real use for yet _another_ cap recharger II BPO. 
If this auction is brought on by inside knowledge of some kinda nerf then yeah thats pathetic, not surprised though... There was tons of rumors about cap recharger IIs being beefed up before they were and inside knowledge is probly how these people knew to get thier hands on one of these BPOs, and it made them ridiculously rich.
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DARKKK
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Soros
Originally by: Cauliflower
Originally by: DAR***
these cap recharger IIs are not so popular... regular pvper does not use em, cause they are expensive
So wrong.
Darr***- Some do, Some dont, l33t ships do not just include ravens, my apoc is pretty sweet
well i did not say only ravens are l33t, but ppl are willing to pay top isk for raven stuff... one reason for this is, that raven is most capable of doing lvl4 missions... etc.
and i guess that price of cap rechargers II will drop. Anyway i don0t have 20bil isk...
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The Saxon
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Posted - 2005.02.23 23:38:00 -
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20Billion?? Daft, pure daft, im sure someone will pay it but its no wonder inflation is out of control in this game.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2005.02.23 23:54:00 -
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This looks like a fake auction, once again.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.02.24 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: The Saxon
20Billion?? Daft, pure daft, im sure someone will pay it but its no wonder inflation is out of control in this game.
To what do you blame inflation?
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.02.24 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Leno on 24/02/2005 01:11:00
Originally by: Dr Scope
This looks like a fake auction, once again.
Did you miss the like 10 credible people to mention that Aneu is a well-known holder of cap recharger II bpo?
EDIT: or am I missing a joke?
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.02.24 01:28:00 -
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Might just as well close this one.
I have a hard time seeing this one being sold here when the greater part of eve looking at it.
You got the ad out. And it will be sold ingame anyway.
Though.
The drooling will continue. 
SoonÖ
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WildHope
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Posted - 2005.02.24 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Scope
This looks like a fake auction, once again.
Even given that Aneu's corpse is worth more to me personally than this BPO, I don't doubt this is genuine. Maybe he needs the money for other projects.
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Blydchyld
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Posted - 2005.02.24 12:43:00 -
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I know Aneu out of game personaly (i used to work with him once, and hopefuly will again quite soon), and i can gaurentee that the little goit does have this item.
Big up to you and yours Aneu.
So if this is a auction start bidding guys :)
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Posted - 2005.02.24 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Leno
Edited by: Leno on 24/02/2005 01:11:00
Originally by: Dr Scope
This looks like a fake auction, once again.
Did you miss the like 10 credible people to mention that Aneu is a well-known holder of cap recharger II bpo?
EDIT: or am I missing a joke?
No, that arguable "King"of tech2 you quoted is about as much King of tech2 as he is King of Nafris panties if he doesn't even know that Aneu has a cap II bpo.
Imo, just some poser. Never heard of the guy.
As to the auction, if it aint real it is not because he doesn't have the bpo. But you can bet your arse he'll just sell it to the ruskies anyway. They have the cash and he knows them.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.02.24 13:54:00 -
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whos stupid enough to pay 20bill for this bpo?
it will take ages to get that 20bill back again, its not really worth it...
"We brake for nobody"
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 24/02/2005 14:10:09
=) You?
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Pyrotesea
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
whos stupid enough to pay 20bill for this bpo?
it will take ages to get that 20bill back again, its not really worth it...
well to make 20b off them i belive u have to sell under 1400 of them at 15m a pop
i belive u can make 10-15 a day so thats about 100 days
if i had the capital i would do it
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:49:00 -
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OK enough chats its a auction ok if u have a bid place or else dont post simple is that.
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.02.24 15:07:00 -
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20 Billion
(I reserve the right to retract this bid if i do not agree with your clause)
If you want to discuss it prior to the auction ending please feel free to convo me.
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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Hitman2120
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Posted - 2005.02.24 15:22:00 -
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somehow i knew you would be bidding seriously on this, calle.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Leno
Edited by: Leno on 24/02/2005 01:11:00
Originally by: Dr Scope
This looks like a fake auction, once again.
Did you miss the like 10 credible people to mention that Aneu is a well-known holder of cap recharger II bpo?
EDIT: or am I missing a joke?
No, that arguable "King"of tech2 you quoted is about as much King of tech2 as he is King of Nafris panties if he doesn't even know that Aneu has a cap II bpo.
Imo, just some poser. Never heard of the guy.
As to the auction, if it aint real it is not because he doesn't have the bpo. But you can bet your arse he'll just sell it to the ruskies anyway. They have the cash and he knows them.
Never said it's because he doesn't have it, I know he does. And no I don't know every cap recharger 2 bpo owner. Do you? I got nothing to prove to you anyways, so this is the only time I'm going to reply to you on this thread.
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lanu on 24/02/2005 16:51:44
nice bid.. you were already rich and now your gonna be richer...
boo
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Auxan
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:57:00 -
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Calle, i thought you already had one of those?
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:01:00 -
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But at least the people complaining about a monopoly will have more of a point then.
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.02.25 00:32:00 -
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Calle can i come be your personal slave please!!!???
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.02.25 05:39:00 -
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Any time Leno....when do you want to start ?
BTW...Admiral Black...you got your answer...as you can see i am the dummest guy in eve !
Could we have a comment from Aneu to confirm if this item is for sale please?
Thank you,
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2005.02.25 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zarthanon on 25/02/2005 07:18:19
As far as I know, paying 20 bil for a cap recharger II BPO and putting them into production 100% of the time, you break even in about 90 days. There are just so few people that have the immense amount of isk that Calle has ammased to actually be able to bid on this. Calle is extremely smart to take advantage of this, so he can amass more isk and cause me not to get the items I want!!! (I bet his claus has to do with not dropping the price of the Cap Recharger II)
*EDIT* Can I be your slave too?!
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Ztone Harvestor
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Posted - 2005.02.25 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zarthanon
*EDIT* Can I be your slave too?!
WTF? Get back over here, you punk.
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Ugly KidJoe
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Posted - 2005.02.25 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zarthanon
Edited by: Zarthanon on 25/02/2005 07:18:19
As far as I know, paying 20 bil for a cap recharger II BPO and putting them into production 100% of the time, you break even in about 90 days. There are just so few people that have the immense amount of isk that Calle has ammased to actually be able to bid on this. Calle is extremely smart to take advantage of this, so he can amass more isk and cause me not to get the items I want!!! (I bet his claus has to do with not dropping the price of the Cap Recharger II)
*EDIT* Can I be your slave too?!
but only 90 days when he don't need to support that corp with cheap cap II. i don't think fixing a price is the point here, otherwise they wouldn't sell it.
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Arkive
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Posted - 2005.02.25 12:44:00 -
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I think it would be great if Calle got this. Since this would have to eat into his reserves a little, I might actually have a chance of winning an auction on the sell forums for a few weeks
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.25 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Leno
Edited by: Leno on 24/02/2005 01:11:00
Originally by: Dr Scope
This looks like a fake auction, once again.
Did you miss the like 10 credible people to mention that Aneu is a well-known holder of cap recharger II bpo?
EDIT: or am I missing a joke?
No, that arguable "King"of tech2 you quoted is about as much King of tech2 as he is King of Nafris panties if he doesn't even know that Aneu has a cap II bpo.
Imo, just some poser. Never heard of the guy.
As to the auction, if it aint real it is not because he doesn't have the bpo. But you can bet your arse he'll just sell it to the ruskies anyway. They have the cash and he knows them.
Im the king in my panties Sir
Wanna fly with me?
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Arianne Rakis
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Posted - 2005.02.25 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arkive
I think it would be great if Calle got this. Since this would have to eat into his reserves a little, I might actually have a chance of winning an auction on the sell forums for a few weeks
There are some people considering 20bil investment a bit high, and therefore just watching...
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.02.25 14:54:00 -
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We are also interested in this, and I didn't joke in my first post but since my corp has now probably 40 bil in minerals/comps and ships I really need to know the clause before we start selling. An eve-mail would be quite handy so that I know where we stand.
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smegma
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Posted - 2005.02.25 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: smegma on 25/02/2005 15:06:34
Originally by: Caesium
how would you enforce any sort of claus after the bpo has left your control?
Evidently you my friend have never been on the recieving end of his Guns
And #2 look at his corp they sure arent Carebears
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CCalsari
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Posted - 2005.02.25 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: CCalsari on 25/02/2005 16:57:22
this guy does not even own a cap recharge II BPO, its a little game, so dont all get exited about it.
hes playing with your minds, lets see if we can have a screen shot of this bad boy let alone some stupid deal where he wants to have so many made of them per month for himself or whatever he thinks hes going to try spring.
ahh ye, and it is a carebear corp
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CCalsari
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Posted - 2005.02.25 16:54:00 -
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.02.25 17:13:00 -
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*noob alt alert*
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.02.25 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCalsari
Edited by: CCalsari on 25/02/2005 16:57:22
this guy does not even own a cap recharge II BPO, its a little game, so dont all get exited about it.
hes playing with your minds, lets see if we can have a screen shot of this bad boy let alone some stupid deal where he wants to have so many made of them per month for himself or whatever he thinks hes going to try spring.
ahh ye, and it is a carebear corp
Hello.
My name is The Enslaver.
I would just like to say that I really do not agree with you on this matter. Being one of those who has found out the size of said person's wallet (and therefore ego); and having a large number of friends that have bought cheap Cap 2's from him, I am led to believe that this bastard truly does own the said BPO.
I would like to end this post with a short few words:
OMG BE QUIET YOU DAMNED ALT*****.
That is all.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2005.02.25 19:03:00 -
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Quote:
How about less yap and more bidding?
I wanna see what one of these babies is worth ^^
Ohhhh I do the Yap's
Mongo speaks !!
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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2005.02.25 19:05:00 -
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I might not like you enslaver you indy killing git but...... WELL SAID 
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.02.26 04:41:00 -
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Aneu,
I think that enough time has passed since the listing of this auction for not to have a comment from you!
As a serious buyer and with a substantial bid on the table I would expect the simple courtesy of at least a quick comment as to the validity and seriousness of this auction, even if its only to say that you changed your mind !
The continuous silence (I believe) is starting to do your credibility (and that of your corp.) serious damage, we need to hear once and for all from you or an appointed representative (your corp. CEO?) to explain what this is all about and especially to confirm....DO YOU HAVE THIS BPO OR NOT?....AND....
IS THIS A REAL AUCTION !
BECOUSE MY 20 BILLION BID IS REAL !
I hope you see my point and to hear from you soon,
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.02.26 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Calle
Aneu,
I think that enough time has passed since the listing of this auction for not to have a comment from you!
As a serious buyer and with a substantial bid on the table I would expect the simple courtesy of at least a quick comment as to the validity and seriousness of this auction, even if its only to say that you changed your mind !
The continuous silence (I believe) is starting to do your credibility (and that of your corp.) serious damage, we need to hear once and for all from you or an appointed representative (your corp. CEO?) to explain what this is all about and especially to confirm....DO YOU HAVE THIS BPO OR NOT?....AND....
IS THIS A REAL AUCTION !
BECOUSE MY 20 BILLION BID IS REAL !
I hope you see my point and to hear from you soon,
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
He does indeed have the BPO
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2005.02.26 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Calle
Aneu,
I think that enough time has passed since the listing of this auction for not to have a comment from you!
As a serious buyer and with a substantial bid on the table I would expect the simple courtesy of at least a quick comment as to the validity and seriousness of this auction, even if its only to say that you changed your mind !
The continuous silence (I believe) is starting to do your credibility (and that of your corp.) serious damage, we need to hear once and for all from you or an appointed representative (your corp. CEO?) to explain what this is all about and especially to confirm....DO YOU HAVE THIS BPO OR NOT?....AND....
IS THIS A REAL AUCTION !
BECOUSE MY 20 BILLION BID IS REAL !
I hope you see my point and to hear from you soon,
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
Sorry but your bid isnt counted. I will not monopolise the cap II.
Iv been trying to get the price down on them for the past month to hardly no avail, not enough production for empire & alliance at the moment.
Anyway, your bid of 20bil has been noticed, and turned away.
Aneu
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Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Worlds
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Posted - 2005.02.26 12:27:00 -
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Are you guys noobs or something.. Everyone knows calle corp is rich!! they buy everything.. Wake up and smell the veteran players @ their best.. Morons.. If you cant afford to stay in the bid GET OUT.. Dont make un-easy comments that ruins the sellers auction.. Get out if you cant bid..
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.02.26 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Worlds
Dont make un-easy comments that ruins the sellers auction.
Kind of like, your post?
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.02.26 14:17:00 -
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Aneu,
Thank you for your prompt reply.
I am obviously sorry to hear your views about our offer however I think I need to answer what seems to be a misconception on your behalf, therefore at the risk of sounding like I am boasting I would like to state the following:
1) You stated that your reason for rejecting my bid is because you are afraid that we at Medusa Corp would monopolise this item if we were successful. Our corp. has never condoned or conducted such practices even though we have the capabilities to do so presently with many items!
2) If you know anything about us you will know that we have never involved ourself in the political landscape of eve and have always remained neutral trough out.
3) We have never boasted or used our financial power to harm other peeps even though we have the means to cause a lot of grief TO ANYONE if we wanted to regardless of who they were.
In fact we have never declared war on anyone and of late war was declared on us without reason and we have chosen to disregard it and not escalate it because of these beliefs.
4) I commend your efforts in trying to bring the price of this item down so that more peeps can afford it, it is exactly what we want to do and more importantly...
We know how to do it and do-it-well.
5) Finally I cant help wondering (and I may be wrong) that more is at play here then just the explanation given in your reply, otherwise why put it up for auction? When you must know that only a few corp. have the resources to bid at these levels!
Anyway I wish you all the best with whatever youÆre trying to achieve and as a last parting statement;
30 Billion Is our final offer.
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2005.02.26 15:00:00 -
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I am trying to achieve an equalibrium between supplying my alliance at cost price and providing an influx of cap recharger II's to empire lowering the price.
30 billion is a large sum of money, but due to the capital i have made from the cap 2, i no longer need money, i will make enough from the 4BS BPO's i am now researching.
I dont need the money, i just need assurances that:-
1- My corp/alliance are supplied with them at BUILD price
2- Lowering of the price in empire
3- Assurances that the above 2 points are honoured.
Aneu
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.02.26 15:38:00 -
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I have no problem in giving you those assurances right now.
But how do we implement this?
What assurances can i have that supplying your corp or alliance at cost dosent allow your members to sell them out to other corps or alliances at a profit and become our competitors?
You must agree that after paying this kind of sum we need (from our part) to be very carefull on what we are exactly agreeing on.
But as a general comment i have no problems in giving you those assurances and would be more then glad to work a way with you that would make us both feel comfortable in concluding this transaction.
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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Yuck Foucheng
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Posted - 2005.02.26 16:12:00 -
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Arkive
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Posted - 2005.02.26 16:21:00 -
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Too bad items can't be serialized. That would put to rest if any were being laundered and resold.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.02.27 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aneu Angellus
I am trying to achieve an equalibrium between supplying my alliance at cost price and providing an influx of cap recharger II's to empire lowering the price.
30 billion is a large sum of money, but due to the capital i have made from the cap 2, i no longer need money, i will make enough from the 4BS BPO's i am now researching.
I dont need the money, i just need assurances that:-
1- My corp/alliance are supplied with them at BUILD price
2- Lowering of the price in empire
3- Assurances that the above 2 points are honoured.
Aneu
Respectfully Aneu, the requirements you give would probably triple or quadruple the expected break even time making this a significantly less desireable investment.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.02.27 20:32:00 -
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Well if I had the ISK to buy the BPO I would do so, I can care less about breaking even in a long run, but the fact is that the T2 cap rechargers sell at a very huge price.
I have respect for Aneu he is trying to get the prices lower, but who will sell at mcu lower price after first investing 20 bill into a BPO.
If he really want's to get the recharger lower he might want to consider to use a friendly production corp which will make copies for the use of Aneu's corporation and friends and allso make copies so their production staff could start selling them in numbers.
In return the production corp would pay a set percentage per sold T2 recharger to Aneu.
This however means to have a production corp which you can trust 100%.
A 20 bill investment isn't pocketchange for anyone and to make such an investment viable you will be forced to produce and sell at a higher price.
Allso considering the increasements on labrentals for copying means should be considered.
So on one hand he seems like a benefactor but on the other hand a 20 bill investment on those terms might pose a larger barier then he thinks.
Just my 2 cents
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.03.01 04:22:00 -
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Thats easy to meet :)
I would love to drive the prices of Cap recharger II's down. easy drop 50% if they are as cheap as i think they are to make. According to the marterials to build that would be bo problem. :) could drop maybe more ..
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
I am trying to achieve an equalibrium between supplying my alliance at cost price and providing an influx of cap recharger II's to empire lowering the price.
30 billion is a large sum of money, but due to the capital i have made from the cap 2, i no longer need money, i will make enough from the 4BS BPO's i am now researching.
I dont need the money, i just need assurances that:-
1- My corp/alliance are supplied with them at BUILD price
2- Lowering of the price in empire
3- Assurances that the above 2 points are honoured.
Aneu
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2005.03.01 04:29:00 -
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Due to universal enormouse demand #2 is totally unattainable with only 20 units per 24h...minus what you'd take for your alliance (probably 50% of output).
Supply will therefore be luaghable and you can't lower price with this amount of cap rechargers.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2005.03.01 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: JaiMaster on 01/03/2005 04:50:05
so thats where CCP come in and make the demand laughable to match
I can just see "-20% to armor repaired per armor repair cycle" coming for the cap charger, just to mirror the cap relay/shield nerf...
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Your end.
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Dr Who
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Posted - 2005.03.01 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Who on 01/03/2005 05:41:33
I, for one, am happy to see Aneu isn't following the obvious greedy path here. Calle is the scourge of EVE with his buying anything and everything worth a crap. If there is a better example of whats wrong with Eve's current economy system than Calle I want to see it! I thinks its awesome Aneu will not contribute to one persons greed in needing to own more of this game than he already does.
Face it, people are sick of watching you bid 1 billion here, 5 billion there, and now 30 BILLION....just so you can attempt to horde the whole damn game. It makes me want to puke.
The real problem here is the eve economy is capitolistic in nature, but without one massivly important component.....TAXES!!! Bill gates may be loaded, but he still has to pay %52 back to the government every year. In EVE?? Nana...you keep it all. Bad idea which leads to the inevitable case of Calle, who in due time, could probably afford to buy every meaningful moneymaking item in the game if people were willing to sell.
How much is Calle worth anyway? If he is liquid enough to bid 30 billion here, not to mention countless bids of hundereds of millions (or Billions) on any given day, it has to be just obscene. I ask you...is this REALLY good for the game?
Before someone flames me with the obligatory this is the way of capitolism post let me state for the record again....NO ITS NOT!!!! In a true capitolist system (i.e..the USA) Calle would have to pay half his yearly income in taxes every year...which would go a very long way towards keeping things more balanced.
Here endeth the rant 
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Ebil Piwate
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Posted - 2005.03.01 05:45:00 -
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hmm seems properly capitalistic to me.. bill doesnt pay 52% of his income.. first taxes arnt that high in the us .. and 2 anyone making anything that resembles big money has more lawyers and accountants than a thrid world county just to make sure they get obscene write offs and pay no taxes.. most amaricans are very ****ed that the uber rich pay little to no taxes...
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.03.01 06:29:00 -
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Dr Who,
I havent had the pleasure to meet you but...
I totally agree with you !
A capitalist like me should be exterminated by being hunged and the body quarted like a pig so that the scourge i bring with my money is wiped out from this world of ours...
Its about time that some one stood up and said it the way you have so eloquently put it.
So my suggestion is ;
GET OVER IT !
(You Silly,Lazy,Mother Fricking no hoper that tries to blame the world for your own failures)
And once you have done that, then life will be sweet !
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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Dr Who
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Posted - 2005.03.01 06:32:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Dr Who on 01/03/2005 06:47:39
Originally by: Ebil Piwate
hmm seems properly capitalistic to me.. bill doesnt pay 52% of his income.. first taxes arnt that high in the us .. and 2 anyone making anything that resembles big money has more lawyers and accountants than a thrid world county just to make sure they get obscene write offs and pay no taxes.. most amaricans are very ****ed that the uber rich pay little to no taxes...
WRONG
I am an American, I am in the top 10% of income earners, and I am here to tell you you are buying into the liberal US and international media stereotypes.
I pay almost %50 in income taxes every year and I promise you Bill Gates pays more. There are only so many things you can write off I promise you.
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Dr Who
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Posted - 2005.03.01 06:47:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Calle
Dr Who,
I havent had the pleasure to meet you but...
I totally agree with you !
A capitalist like me should be exterminated by being hunged and the body quarted like a pig so that the scourge i bring with my money is wiped out from this world of ours...
Its about time that some one stood up and said it the way you have so eloquently put it.
So my suggestion is ;
GET OVER IT !
(You Silly,Lazy,Mother Fricking no hoper that tries to blame the world for your own failures)
And once you have done that, then life will be sweet !
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
Who said I was a failure? I am worth Billions too pal as many forum sellers can attest to ( I know for a fact I have even outbid you from time to time for that matter)....only difference is I only bid and buy WHAT I CAN USE! I am not greedy and I dont buy up everything just to put it in my hanger just to admire it and keep it from being used. I have seen you post in another forum thread that you dont even use half the things you buy so dont deny you do this.
As far as you being so uber successful..well, a blind fricking squrill can find an acorn once and a while and it takes about as much skill to be handed an uber BPO via agent offer lottery as you obviuosly were. SO lets dont get on the whole I am rich because I am so damn smart kick. There are 1000 players in this game that could have gotten lucky too, it just happend to be your greedy ass that got lucky.
Bottom line is there should be an ammount of responsibility that goes with uber wealth (espically wealth that you almst surley stumbled into). In the real world someone in your position would A) be paying a HELL of alot of taxes (as previously stated), B) would almost certainly be very charitable (Gates gives 100's of millions to various causes). In the EVE universe you have none of this thus the system is flawed.
Dont get me wrong man, I dont begrudge your right to do what you do...I really dont. I do, however, think you are THE example of whats most wrong with the current EVE economic system. Sorry if you dont like hearing it, but I have a feeling many people probably agree with me. Its not your fault (other than your sad, never ending greed)...you are just a product of the system.
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Ebil Piwate
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Who
Edited by: Dr Who on 01/03/2005 06:47:39
Originally by: Ebil Piwate
hmm seems properly capitalistic to me.. bill doesnt pay 52% of his income.. first taxes arnt that high in the us .. and 2 anyone making anything that resembles big money has more lawyers and accountants than a thrid world county just to make sure they get obscene write offs and pay no taxes.. most amaricans are very ****ed that the uber rich pay little to no taxes...
WRONG
I am an American, I am in the top 10% of income earners, and I am here to tell you you are buying into the liberal US and international media stereotypes.
I pay almost %50 in income taxes every year and I promise you Bill Gates pays more. There are only so many things you can write off I promise you.
by income earner do you mean you werk for some one else? or own a business big difference... i own a business.. and i pay no taxes due to right offs left and right ... how ever my top paid employee pays HUGE taxes as he isnt afforded the tax shelters that i am .. corporate america is a great thing..
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Jorel
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:38:00 -
[92]
/me snickers at the 'corporate America' bad spelling/grammar.
Sorry, just had to butt in here.
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Ysabelle nKataros
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:55:00 -
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IMO CCP needs to break up monopolies faster. Calle isn't the problem in and of himself, he's just taking advantage of the flaw.
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Mastiphal Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.03.01 17:35:00 -
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Please stay on topic, if you wish to discuss any nations econoy and stuff, go start another thread.
Aneu, is that offer for 30bil accepted or not (from Medusa)? Or valid for that matter.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.03.01 17:54:00 -
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Cry us a river all you "Calle is ebil, he has too much money", this is a f'ing game, not real life. If you're not happy with him, go wage war against his corporation - a lot easier and more legitimate than going to shoot Bill Gates in RL.
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Philyus
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:44:00 -
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This is capitalism at work. To say this isn't would be wrong. Capitalism is based off the natural urge in every human to be greedy. Greed drives capitalism and is why it is so profitable. Capitalism, TRUE captialism should not have taxes, regulations, or any intervention from the government. Any involvement by the government is leaning towards a socialist society. The US does not have a true capitalistic system. Infact, Hong Kong has a more capitalistic system then us.
Eve shows us what this system does, it allows one person to become very rich with a little luck and a lot of education. On the other hand, people who sit around and complain about how everyone else is richer did not take advantage of the system and create a pot of wealth on their own. Capitalism should not require intervention from CCP. It merely requires the player to step up and find something that will start them on the path of amassing money.
(Btw, it is actually the liberal standpoint that says the rich pay nothing in taxes. It is only half true. As other people have said, write-offs are a godsend.)
Onto the next topic, if you really wanted to drive down Cap Recharger II's prices, give a max run BPC to every alliance in Eve and watch the market plumit.
Finally, I wish I started this game a lot earlier so that I could of built up the capital needed to do such profitable purchases as this. I wish I had joined so I had a shot at the BPO II lottery. But this does not hamper my ability to make money. Investing in minerals 3 months ago would of reaped an ungodly amoutn of money now. You can't look at money short term. Real money is made long term.
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Hughesy
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:57:00 -
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Calle i never thought i would defend you after you ruthlessly outbid me on anything nice,
But to those who have a dig at you they maybe wanna try and earn a bit more or shut it, i have won plenty of auctions that you have bid in simply because you pretty much buy stuff for what it is worth no flashh 10b on somthing when its only worth 2b, you could probably do this with your infinate isk.
But tell me something why didn't you outbid me on the Gist x-type shield boost amp??? i paid 770m for it and it is probably the best available in game now, with the second best stats???
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Philyus
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Onto the next topic, if you really wanted to drive down Cap Recharger II's prices, give a max run BPC to every alliance in Eve and watch the market plumit.
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Why does the word 'BPC' keep showing up here? Unless this BPO is different than the other tech2 bpos making BPC is not a good idea for increasing the supply and driving prices down. Making BPCs of tech2 items takes much longer than making an item. The real reason many tech2 items are expensive is not the build price or that all the bpos are held by one corp, it is that the build times are long and one bpo can only supply a limited supply of item even if left in the factory 24/7.
The best way to drive down the price on cap chargers is to make sure all the bpos are in FACTORY 24/7.
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Philyus
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:29:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Philyus on 01/03/2005 19:29:43
Only at first will supply be stunted but once you got about 50 BPC's working for you, the prices should begin to drop once the market is flooded.
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:40:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
I am trying to achieve an equalibrium between supplying my alliance at cost price and providing an influx of cap recharger II's to empire lowering the price.
30 billion is a large sum of money, but due to the capital i have made from the cap 2, i no longer need money, i will make enough from the 4BS BPO's i am now researching.
I dont need the money, i just need assurances that:-
1- My corp/alliance are supplied with them at BUILD price
2- Lowering of the price in empire
3- Assurances that the above 2 points are honoured.
Aneu
why not give it to naga?
let them accept max 4 rechs order per person and agree on a fix amount of rechs for ur corp
set the number a bit higher than what u expect u need per month if u needed less stock some up if u have enough free them for sale
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:45:00 -
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Tis a fine example of how far the financial spiral has gone when a corp can risk 30 Billion isk on a BPO of a simple (but very very useful) module that can be nerfed in value at any time....
Something is getting seriously out of control in this game if Corps can easily risk such amounts of isk.
Griz
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:56:00 -
[102]
It is somewhat know that some corps are quite rich.
And I don't think that will stop anytime soon.
30 bill as I've heard isn't such a huge investement from what I understand for some corps.
SoonÖ
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LukAsh
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Grizwold
Something is getting seriously out of control in this game if Corps can easily risk such amounts of isk.
Out of control? This is one of those things that make EVE truly unique and interesting game.
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2005.03.01 20:42:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Philyus
Edited by: Philyus on 01/03/2005 19:29:43
Only at first will supply be stunted but once you got about 50 BPC's working for you, the prices should begin to drop once the market is flooded.
You are missing the point, the market will never be flooded if they all make bpcs. Unlike tech1 where the copy rate on items often exceeds the reasonable production rate, tech2 copy rates are normally way slower than production rates.
Keep in mind that the skill requirements to use cap recharger 2s are pretty low and they are usefull on almost any ship class. This means huge demand.
I don't think this is really a problem like some people think it is. I makes the game interesting. What happens if the cap chargers gets nerfed? How about if the shield charger 2 gets boosted? Last time someone wanted one of those they couldn't find one just because the people that have the bpo don't even bother making them. If I had the slightest hint that shield chargers would get boosted in the future I would try to grab the bpos and be the next multibillionare.
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Nicomer
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:03:00 -
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Just a simple question (addressed to CCP):
Why don't they just give out some more BPOs of this (and other items) to help make demand and offer more balanced. 12-15 million for an item with production cost of 200k is simply crap.
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Eve II
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nicomer
Just a simple question (addressed to CCP):
Why don't they just give out some more BPOs of this (and other items) to help make demand and offer more balanced. 12-15 million for an item with production cost of 200k is simply crap.
Exactly
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vammathar
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:25:00 -
[107]
The mere fact that there is only a handfull of certain items, INDEED, makes playing EVE more interesting.
If every item was easily obtainable then your interest in the game would quickly wane.
Set yourself a goal, reach it, and then move on to the next one.
Stop whining and set yourself a goal to reach, work hard and if in the process you make isk at-nauseum then good for you.!!
vammathar.
"What is a man
what as he got
if not himself
then he as not.
To say the things
he truly feels
and not the words
of one who kneels.
The record shows
I took the blows
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Neurotic Cat on 01/03/2005 22:51:30
The seller wants to bring the empire price down? What a joke. Can't be done.
~27 units produced every day. Limited number of BPOs in existence. Cost of manufacture ~100,000 isk. Unlimited demand.
The market sets the price. 12-15 million per unit. The only way to lower this price is to make more - and that can't happen without more BPOs in game.
The seller should either sell the damn thing without all these idiotic restrictions, or put it into 24x7 production and be done with it. Spare the rest of us the drama of this 'auction'.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:06:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Dr Scope on 01/03/2005 23:06:23
Originally by: Neurotic Cat
Edited by: Neurotic Cat on 01/03/2005 22:51:30
The seller wants to bring the empire price down? What a joke. Can't be done.
~27 units produced every day. Limited number of BPOs in existence. Cost of manufacture ~100,000 isk. Unlimited demand.
The market sets the price. 12-15 million per unit. The only way to lower this price is to make more - and that can't happen without more BPOs in game.
The seller should either sell the damn thing without all these idiotic restrictions, or put it into 24x7 production and be done with it. Spare the rest of us the drama of this 'auction'.
Well said.
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Calle
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Posted - 2005.03.02 02:53:00 -
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Guys,
There are obviously a lot of different views about the economy of eve and capitalism in general, unfortunately this was supposed to be an auction for a rear item that has turned into a ælets kill Calle the Evil capitalist that exploits everyoneÆ!
As I intend to make this my last post I need to say this;
We at Medusa have worked very hard with diligence and perseverance to achieve the position we have today. This cannot be done by one man only (i.e. myself) but it has been a concentrated effort by all members of this corp. and as such it is a real shame to see such efforts being degraded by the many flaming comments listed here.
As I said many time before we have never used our financial power to purposely cause harm or grief to anyone and have always tried to be honest and diligent in all our dealings. OUR RECORD SPEAKS FOR IT SELF!
In so far as buying items at auctions if you look at our bids you will find that we only bid to the maximum level we believe an item is worth and we have never out bided peeps just to show off (There is your answer Hughesy and thanx for the comments).
We have played the game with the rules as they are and as far as I know these are the same for everyone, therefore for those of you that are so incensed about our wealth I say this: look at the way you play this game and be honest with the reasons as to why you have not been able to achieve the same not by blaming other factors! Because as the old say goes: æA BAD TRADESMEN ALWAYS BLAMES HIS TOOLSÆ.
In conclusion, we formally retract our last bid of 30 billion and will soon stop bidding on the auction forums for items that we donÆt need (i.e. for collection purposes).
The retraction of our bid on this item is due to the sentiments displayed on this listing and the luck of serious communication from the seller.
So we will keep our money and instead of spreading it around by buying items at auctions we will apply it to other less noble ventures and see if that is any good for the game.
Let the fun begin!
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2005.03.02 03:00:00 -
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OMFG I HATE JOO ALL!
calle collect all you want =]
just because those ppl dont have the isk or may and like to complain anyway doesn't mean you can't be bling!
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.03.02 03:48:00 -
[112]
Someone said "less noble" ?
I can be hired, you know
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Aidyn Avery
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Posted - 2005.03.02 04:14:00 -
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As a poor man in this conversation, i want people like calle to bid on items, because those items he buys can represent alot of isk for lesser corps. Sitting on wealth does the game no good and I can't believe that this auction has turned into this. Getting good loot is like winning the lottery for alot of players in eve and one or two items means a year of fun playing for some. Just my two cents on the matter...
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Igorian
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Posted - 2005.03.02 21:12:00 -
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Calle is just playing with your minds..lol
He has simply realized that 30 billion was not a good/safe bid...
I am sure we shall continue to see his smiling face on these and other forums...
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Lord Dynastron
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Posted - 2005.03.02 23:36:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Neurotic Cat
Edited by: Neurotic Cat on 01/03/2005 22:51:30
~27 units produced every day. Limited number of BPOs in existence. Cost of manufacture ~100,000 isk. Unlimited demand.
The market sets the price. 12-15 million per unit. The only way to lower this price is to make more - and that can't happen without more BPOs in game.
The market sets the price? I'm not so sure. This is a monopoly item that does NOT sell at max capacity. I see the same ones day after day on Escrow.
Want proof the price is not market driven? Simple, the price hasn't gone up. Or Down. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems pretty price fixed to me. The great thing about a monopoly.
I suggest you give/sell 'cheap' this item to BIG or NAGA and let them pump them out at minimal markup. And guess what,, that will force the rest of the monopolizers to rethink their pricing structure.
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Arkive
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Posted - 2005.03.02 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dynastron
Want proof the price is not market driven? Simple, the price hasn't gone up. Or Down. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems pretty price fixed to me. The great thing about a monopoly.
Are you out of your mind? Maybe you haven't been playing the last several months, but the price has swelled from around 8 mil up to about 15 mil. The price of this item has doubled, and that's even after some officer items, though rare, with better stats were introduced. Also, please no one turn this post into a market/inflation sub-thread, I was just pointing out that someone's statement of the price not going up was wrong.
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.03.03 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Neurotic Cat on 03/03/2005 00:41:27
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The market sets the price? I'm not so sure. This is a monopoly item that does NOT sell at max capacity. I see the same ones day after day on Escrow.
Um..What kind of smaktard uses escrow to sell an item like this? It takes too long to enter the product and your customers can't easily find it. Eve Market 4tHeWin!!!
Check out those market prices - you can see people undercutting each other all the time. But go too cheap and someone will just mark it up for you...
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I suggest you give/sell 'cheap' this item to BIG or NAGA and let them pump them out at minimal markup. And guess what,, that will force the rest of the monopolizers to rethink their pricing structure.
If NAGA or Big sell these with minimal markup I'm goign to make my fortune buying them all, marking them up and selling them for whatever the market will pay me.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2005.03.03 02:33:00 -
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Naga mostly deals with their customer base so reselling the cap rechargers won't work because they will not just sell to one person, nor would they probably sell cap recharger 2's in bulk to a single person.
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Luc Deram
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Posted - 2005.03.03 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Deram on 03/03/2005 04:47:54
Originally by: Dr Scope
Naga mostly deals with their customer base so reselling the cap rechargers won't work because they will not just sell to one person, nor would they probably sell cap recharger 2's in bulk to a single person.
I can already see how it will 'go' to masses:
NTT/Stepstone Member: "Need 20 cap2s ASAP at stepstone (cost) price!"
FW: "You got it, mofo!"
Joe Schmoe: "Can I buy Cap2?"
F/W: "yeah, but there is 2year, 2 motnhs, 23 days waiting line for them, don't worry though we will make sure it will get to you eventually"
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.03.03 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Calle
Dr Who,
I havent had the pleasure to meet you but...
I totally agree with you !
A capitalist like me should be exterminated by being hunged and the body quarted like a pig so that the scourge i bring with my money is wiped out from this world of ours...
Its about time that some one stood up and said it the way you have so eloquently put it.
So my suggestion is ;
GET OVER IT !
(You Silly,Lazy,Mother Fricking no hoper that tries to blame the world for your own failures)
And once you have done that, then life will be sweet !
CEO
Medusa Technology Corp
Calle ...
He has raised some good point my friend.
Heres a Prime example.
You work for a mining company in the 1800's
You buy food and supplies from their store, You rent their houses, you drink at the company owned pub,.
See my point.
No Flame intended sir but competition is a healthy thing for all consumers in a Capatlist market and if only one person has the product well then that becomes a serious problem for the consumer.
Just my 2@
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Cabal Leader
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Posted - 2005.03.03 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: hellwarrior
OMFG I HATE JOO ALL!
calle collect all you want =]
just because those ppl dont have the isk or may and like to complain anyway doesn't mean you can't be bling!
Ohh his speech about not buying is bull**** anyways.
He or they will just buy under alts.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.03.03 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dynastron
Originally by: Neurotic Cat
Edited by: Neurotic Cat on 01/03/2005 22:51:30
~27 units produced every day. Limited number of BPOs in existence. Cost of manufacture ~100,000 isk. Unlimited demand.
The market sets the price. 12-15 million per unit. The only way to lower this price is to make more - and that can't happen without more BPOs in game.
The market sets the price? I'm not so sure. This is a monopoly item that does NOT sell at max capacity. I see the same ones day after day on Escrow.
Want proof the price is not market driven? Simple, the price hasn't gone up. Or Down. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems pretty price fixed to me. The great thing about a monopoly.
I suggest you give/sell 'cheap' this item to BIG or NAGA and let them pump them out at minimal markup. And guess what,, that will force the rest of the monopolizers to rethink their pricing structure.
The problem is that some idiot will buy them all up at the new low price and within 3 miutes put them right back on the market at 13 mill.
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.03.03 18:01:00 -
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There's an easy fix to this. Stop selling them for a month, then list 810 of them at 5mil a pop. If someone wants to buy 40 billion in chargers to try to control the market, I'd love to see it. Next month list them for 3mil. Eventually the price goes down to 2-3 mil (which is reasonable for such a high demand item).
People who claim to want to lower the price but don't do the obvious are probably just rationalizing :)
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2005.03.03 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
There's an easy fix to this. Stop selling them for a month, then list 810 of them at 5mil a pop. If someone wants to buy 40 billion in chargers to try to control the market, I'd love to see it. Next month list them for 3mil. Eventually the price goes down to 2-3 mil (which is reasonable for such a high demand item).
People who claim to want to lower the price but don't do the obvious are probably just rationalizing :)
Dream on .. 810 x 5 = 4,050M
4 billion not 40. They would disappear instantly.
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.03.03 18:09:00 -
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Despite my poor extemporaneous math skills, the point remains. No one is going to sling 4 billion around even to keep the cap recharger market up. Slow it down and list them for 10mil, then 5 mil, et cetera. Or make it two months of production. Whatever :)
The point is there're things that could be done to lower the price, even doing it more slowly, say starting with 800 of them listed at 10mil.
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PimpDaddy O'Doom
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Posted - 2005.03.03 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
Despite my poor extemporaneous math skills, the point remains. No one is going to sling 4 billion around even to keep the cap recharger market up. Slow it down and list them for 10mil, then 5 mil, et cetera. Or make it two months of production. Whatever :)
The point is there're things that could be done to lower the price, even doing it more slowly, say starting with 800 of them listed at 10mil.
Why not? They invest 4b, and make 8-10b back selling the rechargers at inflated prices.
You just handed someone a free 4-6b isk. Smart.
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4luc4rd
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Posted - 2005.03.03 19:14:00 -
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i encourage everybody to read about Adam Smith and then look at this thread.
because the product is being manufactured by so few individuals and given the demand they can keep whatever price they want. according to adam smith while many manufacturers produce a product in demand they'll need to compete for consumers and thus maintain a lower price while that is their interest and the lower price is a consumers interest. and meanwhile those who do own the BPO can collaborate and decide on prices together cause obviously it's in all their interests to maintain as high a price as possible.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.03.03 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: 4luc4rd
i encourage everybody to read about Adam Smith and then look at this thread.
d00d, teh man lived in like teh 18th centureh, what has teh man got to do with space shuttels?
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