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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:06:00 -
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Because, honestly, I am not so sure anymore. I know this horse has been flogged almost to death already, and I am sorry I felt I had to create a new thread about it - if this upsets you, stop reading now.
Synopsis:
There is simply absolutely no valid argument to support indestructible items in EVE, no matter whether they affect your combat/ship stats directly or not.
It is one of the few unwritten universal "laws" of EVE that did not change since EVE was created - until Incarna: all stuff player characters can use, fly, wear (implants), trade etc. can also be blown up in space, in any system, up to 1.0 security. This is one of the aspects that made EVE unique. Not the graphics, not the game mechanics (that leave enough to be desired)
Besides, Monocles (and the related NeX store issues) already affected EVE gameplay more than probably ANY other item in the history of EVE online:
- they made over 3000 players cancel over 5000 accounts within a few days. Many of these are old and experienced players that are actually integral PART of the EVE content and have also been constantly CREATING content for younger players.
- they created a new class of "wannabe snob" trolls (see the megadaft "Monocle Overlords" corp) that regard non monocle wearing players in EVE as "peasants" or "peons" (god, are you pathetic)
- they fueled one of the greatest in-game revolts EVE has experienced since its inception
NOTHING should be indestructible in EVE, no exceptions, no matter how stupidly expensive and whether you think it is a "useful" item or not.
Talking about expensive: yes, it is really beyond ridiculous to ask more for a virtual NeX t-shirt than a real one in the EVE-store. But CCP knows that, according to statistics, there is a good percentage of the EVE population (of which I rather doubt the mental sanity) ready to buy such overpriced vanity items thinking to be "l33t".
I personally do not give a damn if there are players daft enough to spend billions on their useless monocles: it is their damn right to do so. But as a pirate I should have my damn right to blow their pods up, together with whatever expensive stupid piece of clothing, jewelry, or eye-wear they have on. The more they paid for the useless item, the more their day will be miserable, and mine glorious
And don't give me any of "you are naked in your pod" bull****. If you were naked when you ENTER the pod, then you would be also naked when you EXIT the pod at your destination station AND you would have no access to whatever item you were wearing. Thinking there is an exact copy of all your personal "vanity" items waiting for you in every single of the several thousands space stations in EVE is a stretch even for those that like to pull arguments out of their ar$e.
To those that argue that EVE has a lot of "unrealistic" aspects anyways, like up and down in space, max ship speed etc.: in a SF movie or game, you CAN define "laws of physics" that are different from our world. It is all fine, as long as all game play is coherent with those artificially created "rules". The overpriced and indestructible NeX stuff do not fit within the dark, unforgiving and dystopian EVE universe; it dumbs this game down to a level some of us do not want to be part of it anymore.
Cheers, Seven Sphynx (PvP alt of Xenomorphea, whose account has expired a few days ago)
tl;dr : As Mechanoid Kryten said not so long ago: Eve is the game that takes your cookie away from you, NOT the game that sells cookies for RL currency. Now with this NeX store EVE turned into a sort of Hello Kitty online, Gratz, CCP
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Ehdward
Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:09:00 -
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Our characters are indestructible...
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Fayah Aurilen
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:12:00 -
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Sooooo... everytime I lose my pod I should have to purchase new clothes all over again and my avatar reverts back to a ghost until I recustomize myself?
Yea... that's gonna happen
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7Boy Curry
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
Technically no. Your soul is transported back to a new body in event of your death. You lose your implants, and have to buy a new clone.
I think people are arguung that it's not fair that you lose everything, except a piece of jewelry....
Not really the biggest issue in Eve, but he is correct.
- Account Expires 02 September 2011 (in 58 days)
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Valkmar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:14:00 -
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i just....i just........ i just don't know what to say anymore
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
Nope. Each of our clones and any implant we are wearing could until now be destroyed in combat. Only our "personality" survives, and survives intact only as long as your clone is up to date. Plus, characters ban be "biomassed" :-)
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Fayah Aurilen
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
Nope. Each of our clones and any implant we are wearing could until now be destroyed in combat. Only our "personality" survives, and survives intact only as long as your clone is up to date. Plus, characters ban be "biomassed" :-)
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 11/07/2011 20:20:19 If I have to spend $15 just to buy 'white t-shirt' and 'black tennis shoes' to be able to recustomize myself after every podding before I can even play the game or undock, I and about 99% of the subscribers will disappear over night to ANYWHERE ELSE.
Because remember, you are now forced to recustomize if you currently have no avatar, and you have to have actual clothing, i.e. this argument is absurd, unless ALL our clothes including 'free' ones are destroyed upon podding, your argument makes about as much sense as a chess piece at a hockey game not to mention the fact that we don't wear our clothes when we get into our pod anyways, it all stays in station.
True story.
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Ehdward
Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
Nope. Each of our clones and any implant we are wearing could until now be destroyed in combat. Only our "personality" survives, and survives intact only as long as your clone is up to date. Plus, characters ban be "biomassed" :-)
My character had an implant on the face of every clone until Incarna came out. The only difference is that it wasn't represented by an item. Do minnies need to get their tattoos redone every time they die?
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:20:00 -
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I aggree with OP, except that Monocles were not the real reason so many people unsubbed. Aside from that yeah, we should be able to blow monocles up. We have to buy new implants every time were podded and good slaves cost more than a monocle.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens If I have to spend $15 just to buy 'white t-shirt' and 'black tennis shoes' to be able to recustomize myself after every podding before I can even play the game or undock, I and about 99% of the subscribers will disappear over night to ANYWHERE ELSE.
Free clothing should be there. Additional vanity items should be destroyed.
If you don't want the risk, don't use it. THAT IS EVE!
The current vanity items totally break the spirit of EVE. It is just a horrible approach - completely against everything that is important in EVE. No risk, no sandbox, no player manufacturing etc. |
Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:24:00 -
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Actually there is a valid reason.
Any item bought off the NEX system ultimately cost RL cash, and if destructible would cost RL cash to replace. With all the bad press with the NEX system exactly how much bad press would come out of it if said items could be destroyed ?
I think you got a better chance of seeing implants on your kill boards then seeing NEX items.
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens Sooooo... everytime I lose my pod I should have to purchase new clothes all over again and my avatar reverts back to a ghost until I recustomize myself?
Yea... that's gonna happen
No, you can of course wear again similar clothes, which are anyway standard cheap clothes available throughout the EVE universe for a fee that (let's pull an argument out of my own ar$e, for a change) is included in your up-to-grade clone payment.
Vanity items, however ... that is something NON standard you purchase extra, and yes, they should be gone with your body. OR they should remain at the station you left, if you insist to be naked in your pod, and have no storage on board. So if you want to wear them in another station, you would have to carry them in your cargo -> and hence be destroyable.
Worried about wearing expensive items in low or null sec? well, then DON'T.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:26:00 -
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The clothes we start with are indestructible...
There are a hundred reasons that can be thought up to justify their indestructibility. The only way in which store items currently affect normal game play is that it's a new ISK/PLEX sink that will mean ISK isn't being spent on other in game items and PLEX not being used for game time.
I'm quite happy to have Barbies in space remain a niche sideline to allow us to add some back-story and depth to our characters without being something that has to be part of the main game play. That said I think the current pricing policy excludes newer players from taking part (unless they part with real cash) - I'd like to see a basic tier cheaper that those mentioned, either in the store or manufactured by players.
Other than that for those that are not interested in playing dress up the only things that have really changed are that you've lost you hanger to spin ships in (which is actually tragic) and there may not be a great deal of content for you in this expansion.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:27:00 -
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IF the whining on this forum is any indication it's Hello Kitty In Space...
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Maduin Ardens Sooooo... everytime I lose my pod I should have to purchase new clothes all over again and my avatar reverts back to a ghost until I recustomize myself?
Yea... that's gonna happen
No, you can of course wear again similar clothes, which are anyway standard cheap clothes available throughout the EVE universe for a fee that (let's pull an argument out of my own ar$e, for a change) is included in your up-to-grade clone payment.
Vanity items, however ... that is something NON standard you purchase extra, and yes, they should be gone with your body. OR they should remain at the station you left, if you insist to be naked in your pod, and have no storage on board. So if you want to wear them in another station, you would have to carry them in your cargo -> and hence be destroyable.
Worried about wearing expensive items in low or null sec? well, then DON'T.
You can't have it both ways. Are you willing to cough up $15 every time you are podded just to get a shirt on your back so you can undock again?
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Nerodon
Gallente Incapsulated Reality
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:34:00 -
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I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal IF the whining on this forum is any indication it's Hello Kitty In Space...
It is the same old story: if an argument is presented in a valid form supported by logic and facts, the best attempt to demolish it is to ditch it as a "whine" and the player as a "bittervet".
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Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery Monocle Overlords
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:35:00 -
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WTF peasant OP noob. Monocle Overlords is an alliance, not corp.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:35:00 -
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We only wish this were Hello Kitty Online.
<obligatory> Kestrel and Apocalypse </obligatory>
Just waiting on the new paint-your-ship feature.
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 11/07/2011 20:40:09
Originally by: Nerodon I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
Pretty much this, none of the standard clothes are destructible but the NEX store items should be? Seems awfully convenient stretch of logic to have it both ways.
OP seems to think NEX items should be in some magic storage box within the pod, same argument stands, if you have to carry your NEX goods around with you everywhere to keep your avatar current, how do you magically get new clothes when you arrive at some distant outpost in a pod with no clothes on board and just a monocle? CCP would have to charge you $$$ to get new clothes everywhere you docked, simply to dock a station, OR require you carry your clothes with you everywhere you go, but then only the NEX items would get destroyed when your pod goes up in smoke?
I think more and more about this OP and what they are actually saying and am beginning to feel like we're being trolled hard, and fast.
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nerodon I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.
Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.
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DeepBlueMax
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: 7Boy Curry
Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
Technically no. Your soul...
srsly... can we keep the silly rl fairy tales out of this make believe world of space-faring immortality, you are disturbing my Weltanschauung. Uncool.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12 Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!
YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.
This is the 87 billionth thread on this subject. You are, in fact, beating a dead-horse that shouldn't even exist.
Read some lore, educate yourself. Yes, it is a valid argument. Now shut up.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12 Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!
YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.
Monocles are still worn when being naked. It makes no sense to have them surgically removed whenever you enter a pod.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx ... There is simply absolutely no valid argument to support indestructible items in EVE, no matter whether they affect your combat/ship stats directly or not. ...
Not quite. There's no valid in game argument. The reasoning is almost certainly this:
CCP wants to sell lots of MT goods at high prices. If these items can be destroyed by podding, no sane individual would buy them, given that there are probably folks out there ganking monocle wearers for the lulz and in hopes that there are NeX Store items in their cargo that might drop.
In other words "Greed is good". (Where have we heard that before?)
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx I personally do not give a damn if there are players daft enough to spend billions on their useless monocles: it is their damn right to do so. But as a pirate I should have my damn right to blow their pods up, together with whatever expensive stupid piece of clothing, jewelry, or eye-wear they have on. The more they paid for the useless item, the more their day will be miserable, and mine glorious
I sincerely hope that this comment right here finally and once and for all dispells the idiotic belief that pirates are simply "roleplaying" the part and that they would never ever in any way attempt to hurt someone in real life. Idiots such as this OP obviously are looking to cause real life suffering.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12 Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!
YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.
Monocles are still worn when being naked. It makes no sense to have them surgically removed whenever you enter a pod.
And if you blubbering idiots would have read the thread I posted a day ago, you'd know that the monocle is the only exception.
Yet, I'm sure CCP's writers are much smarter than you and could even come up with a reason for that.
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Nerodon
Gallente Incapsulated Reality
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Nerodon on 11/07/2011 20:57:20
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.
Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
I would also think it would be cool to have them destructible (Like PLEX are) but at this point I side with keeping them indestructible simply because they aren't related to flying in space at all! It isnt a ship, or a bonus giving item... Its an avatar customization, if CCP would let your $$$ investments in your avatar go boom it would just be a giant hassle and very frustrating, rendering the feature quite useless.
Think about it, if everyone had these on, they would be less willing to fight you and more willing to station hog! How would that improve the game?
All it would benefit, is the ego of bitter pirates wanting to cause as much harm to others as they can. Playing Eve is their virtual equivalent of bullying the other kids at recess. Give it a rest!
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.
Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
I would also think it would be cool to have them destructible (Like PLEX are) but at this point I side with keeping them indestructible simply because they aren't related to flying in space at all! It isnt a ship, or a bonus giving item... Its an avatar customization, if CCP would let your $$$ investments in your avatar go boom it would just be a giant hassle and very frustrating, rendering the feature quite useless.
Think about it, if everyone had these on, they would be less willing to fight you and more willing to station hog! How would that improve the game?
They could care less, the same reason ransoms died three years ago, too many people decided that honoring ransoms was not as lucrative as taking them and then destroying the victim anyways for additional loot.
The fact that they were even shocked when people started bailing on low sec in droves and targets became increasingly scarce and ransoms stopped being paid, is just incredibly ironic.
I mean, what did they think would happen?
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Infinimo
GSF Finance Department Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:03:00 -
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lmao
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Beat General
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:05:00 -
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Eve sucks now. Accept the truth.
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Rashmika Sky
Amarr R. Sky Escorts
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Thinking there is an exact copy of all your personal "vanity" items waiting for you in every single of the several thousands space stations in EVE is a stretch even for those that like to pull arguments out of their ar$e.
At the price of these items, there had damned well better be an exact copy of each and every one of them at every station in Eve - it's the only sensible reason for clothing to cost so much.
So thank you for that angle, I find the absurd prices slightly less ridiculous when I look at it this way - we aren't just buying one pair of $1000 pants, we're buying over 10,000 $1000 pants, that will also be replaced should they be blown up, soiled, have the knees torn out or be ripped apart in the throes of cyber-passion. It might even be a good deal if you think of it that way.
If only I were better at lying to myself.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:09:00 -
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When you get podded, you should definitely keep your regular clothes and appearance; that just makes practical sense.
As for those $1,000 pants you bought in a NeX boutique shop, no way CCP is ever going to make those destructible: people would rage, not ever buy new clothes, and/or leave the game (not necessarily in that particular order). So, might as well live with this reality and stop struggling the inevitable.
Hello, Kitty! :)
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.
Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.
The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.
Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.
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Zeg Quul
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:10:00 -
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M-e-o-w
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12 Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!
YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.
This is the 87 billionth thread on this subject. You are, in fact, beating a dead-horse that shouldn't even exist.
Read some lore, educate yourself. Yes, it is a valid argument. Now shut up.
It appears, madam, that while you are naked in the pod, the vanity items are "secretly" transported together with your pod to whatever place and station you travel to. So they you might not be wearing them on your body, but they certainly "travel" with the pod. Else we have to believe there is a copy of those items stored in advance for you in every station in EVE, including enemy outposts
As for the monocle and other ocular implants, I hope you do not want me to believe that you are going through surgery every time you undock/dock, and that the ocular implant is removed while you are in the pod, and quickly re-implanted as soon as you dock. Because that is exact the sort of pulled out of the ar$e argument I was referring to earlier.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 11/07/2011 21:15:25
Originally by: Ranka Mei
As for those $1,000 pants you bought in a NeX boutique shop, no way CCP is ever going to make those destructible: people would rage, not ever buy new clothes, and/or leave the game (not necessarily in that particular order). So, might as well live with this reality and stop struggling the inevitable.
That's where you're mistaken.
1. This is not just CCP's game. This is our game as well. We erected the stations, built the ships, we paid for it, we filled it with life.
2. People raging over stuff that got blown up is exactly what EVE was about in the past. Ever heard of "Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose." Same goes for wearing pants you're not ok to **** in when the going gets tough. And yes, clothes are not being worn in Space but Monocles are. There's no way these things are going to be surgically removed before entering a pod therefore they should be destroyed when people get podded.
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:15:00 -
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A monocle that is more expensive than a fitted machariel is made of superior jovian technology that not only is immune to conventional weapons but actually self warps to your new face when you get cloned.
Or it could be that the lore and rhyme and reason of this game went to the ****ter in order to sell you stuff.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Seven Sphynx It is the same old story: if an argument is presented in a valid form supported by logic and facts, the best attempt to demolish it is to ditch it as a "whine" and the player as a "bittervet".
Your OP is not logical nor supported with facts. What it is is a miserable bitter rant because you can't ruin people's wallets in real life.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:17:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Ranka Mei
As for those $1,000 pants you bought in a NeX boutique shop, no way CCP is ever going to make those destructible: people would rage, not ever buy new clothes, and/or leave the game (not necessarily in that particular order). So, might as well live with this reality and stop struggling the inevitable.
That's where you're mistaken.
1. This is not just CCP's game. This is our game as well. We made it, we paid for it, we filled it with life.
2. People raging over stuff that got blown up is exactly what EVE was about in the past. Ever heard of "Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose." Same goes for wearing pants you're not ok to **** in when the going gets tough. And yes, clothes are not being worn in Space but Monocles are. There's no way these things are going to be surgically removed before entering a pod therefore they should be destroyed when people get podded.
I'm not saying I disagree with you: I'm saying it ain't gonna happen, ever. :)
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:18:00 -
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ummm your free clothes are indestructable... HA HA... umm no.. i doubt your clone is running around naked.. SO ILL SAY IT AGAIN.. the op is right º--Atreus--º |
Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:18:00 -
[44]
There have and always will be some indestructible things in EvE:
Some current examples: Stations/monuments Your respawning rookie ship Planetary command Centers The clothes you don't pay AUR for but are gifted at character creation The Door Your Wallet (Isk/AuR) LP RP etc
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Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12 Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!
YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.
This is the 87 billionth thread on this subject. You are, in fact, beating a dead-horse that shouldn't even exist.
Read some lore, educate yourself. Yes, it is a valid argument. Now shut up.
Sup *****, I commented on your other post when I pointed out why you are wrong.
Short version: they have to be on your ship because when you redock to a new station in a new region - you still have your monocle.
So it may not be you in your pod - its still in some spaceship bound captains dresser. Which should blow up along with the ship. "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Nerodon
Gallente Incapsulated Reality
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:19:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.
You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.
This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.
If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.
Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.
The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.
Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.
But Eve IS dark, harsh and brutal. Letting people wear barbie clothing in a station is their business. If you're one of those same people who think Incarna is not Eve because it isn't space related, then you should agree that what happens in Incarna stays in Incarna.
If you don't want NeX items to affect your space game, then don't expect the space game to affect NeX items. Double standards bro! If you can destroy my NeX items then I should be able to pay for an NeX item that blows your ship up! After all, Eve is dark, harsh and brutal!
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:21:00 -
[47]
I for one eagerly await the 100 USD Ishy scorpions that can't have hostile modules activated on them by players
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:21:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Nerodon But Eve IS dark, harsh and brutal. Letting people wear barbie clothing in a station is their business. If you're one of those same people who think Incarna is not Eve because it isn't space related, then you should agree that what happens in Incarna stays in Incarna.
If you don't want NeX items to affect your space game, then don't expect the space game to affect NeX items. Double standards bro! If you can destroy my NeX items then I should be able to pay for an NeX item that blows your ship up! After all, Eve is dark, harsh and brutal!
A very lucid argument! :)
+1
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:25:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Nerodon
But Eve IS dark, harsh and brutal. Letting people wear barbie clothing in a station is their business. If you're one of those same people who think Incarna is not Eve because it isn't space related, then you should agree that what happens in Incarna stays in Incarna.
If you don't want NeX items to affect your space game, then don't expect the space game to affect NeX items. Double standards bro! If you can destroy my NeX items then I should be able to pay for an NeX item that blows your ship up! After all, Eve is dark, harsh and brutal!
Ok so if Incarna is not part of EVE then whoever wears a Monocle or NeX item should not be able to undock. That would be fine with me.
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drendell
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:29:00 -
[50]
make yourself up a sci fi reason as to why your clothes follow you around and live with it.
invisible camra drones that kind of thing.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:29:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh 1. This is not just CCP's game. This is our game as well. We erected the stations, built the ships, we paid for it, we filled it with life.
No. I don't own the Coca-Cola company simply because I drink Coke. And you don't own Eve. CCP does. We pay to play. The money you give them is not some kind of personal financial investment on your behalf.
Quote: 2. People raging over stuff that got blown up is exactly what EVE was about in the past. Ever heard of "Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose." Same goes for wearing pants you're not ok to **** in when the going gets tough. And yes, clothes are not being worn in Space but Monocles are. There's no way these things are going to be surgically removed before entering a pod therefore they should be destroyed when people get podded.
In the case of vanity items that were paid with real-life money and play ABSOLUTELY NO ROLE outside combat other than "HAHA i jest ****d him oFf in reelz life!1" it makes sense that they're indestructible.
Yes, it hurts the feelings of idiots that would love to go about causing real-life economic damage to others in a video game. But that is not a reason to make them destructible.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:32:00 -
[52]
I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:35:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nerodon
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.
The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.
Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.
Thanks for pointing this out Yarrrrhh :-)
And sorry Nerodon, but assuming I am a psycopath in RL is as ridiculous as claiming that Bruno Ganz, who played Adolf H1tler in "Downfall", effectively committed genocide in RL. Or that people who play Quake Arena, Battlefield, or (soon) Dust run around in RL shooting rocket launchers in other people's face. I hope you understand how pathetically ridiculous your assumption is.
EVE online is a game, and in this game I like(d) to RP (among other things) a pirate who, most of the time, fights other pirates. I certainly do not feel guilty every time I blow up an internet battleship that (according to the EVE lore) has several thousands (innocent) people as crew. Do you?
Also, you know absolutely NOTHING about me, or what I do in RL. If you really want to know, I served in the Navy, I am a teacher in two international universities, I run a company and am a member the UNICEF, to whom I give over 10 times the amount of money most pay for the EVE subscription in charity every year. I am against all forms of war and violence, with the exception of that necessary to protect your freedom, the one of your family and your land.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:35:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".
u mad? u mad :)
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:38:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".
Hmmm, please name the legal way to turn ISK into money.
I personally would have no problem with:
1: Vanity items worn are destructible. 2: Vanity items cost 1/10th as much. 3: Basic clothing items simply being considered courtesy garb freely available in any Captains Quarters anywhere, much like fluffy robes and slippers being available in 5 star hotels... as we pod pilot Demi-Gods are a step above that anyway.
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Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:40:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Maduin Ardens
They could care less, the same reason ransoms died three years ago, too many people decided that honoring ransoms was not as lucrative as taking them and then destroying the victim anyways for additional loot.
The fact that they were even shocked when people started bailing on low sec in droves and targets became increasingly scarce and ransoms stopped being paid, is just incredibly ironic.
I mean, what did they think would happen?
Hogwash.
If anything, there are more people in low sec than 3 years ago.
There are plenty of pilots still collecting and paying ransoms. Here's a ransom board to give you an idea from just one alliance: Bastards Ransom Board
Concerning the topic of the thread: It's just unfortunate.
CCP regularly concerns itself with balance of the ingame professions be it mining, missioning, etc. Pirating, love it or hate it, is one of the big draws to the game along with 0.0, spaceships, the market and the crafting system.
However, pirating as a profession gets no love from CCP. What little benefits enjoyed are thanks to CCP refusing to change game mechanics. Essentially benign neglect.
By making the vanity items indestructible, CCP missed a golden opportunity to buff pirating as a profession by making extortion more profitable.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:41:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".
Hmmm, please name the legal way to turn ISK into money.
So you're admitting that ISK can be turned into any other currency using illegal means? Thanks, you just proved my point.
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Albetta
Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:41:00 -
[58]
CCP won't make them destructible because if they did, no one would buy them, and CCP is determined to milk as much money out of them as they possibly can to fund world of twilight.
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Ferric Sevic
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:44:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
they made over 3000 players cancel over 5000 accounts within a few days.
I've seen this argument used for weeks now and it insults the intelligence of the community that you would even try to pass it off as a rational for an argument without first performing due diligence.
1) Cite your sources. This is pretty basic.
2) You have provided no analysis of what happens to the player subscription rates following the release of an expansion. You have no idea what the normal rate of desubscription vs resubscription on a per day basis, much less during the weeks following a release. For all we know, 3000 de subs could be the norm, except this time people just decided to whine and post about it.
3) This is perhaps the most critical oversight. You didn't poll anyone who might have subscribed to eve because they thought Incarna was cool or liked the feature.
So you really have no idea what happened to the subscription rates, you only know that a lot of peopled signed a form saying they quit.
You may doubt my sanity for buying NeX items, but I am assured of the lack of your intelligence from your post.
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Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:45:00 -
[60]
It's more like Hello Pony Online.
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Albetta
Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:45:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Ferric Sevic
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
they made over 3000 players cancel over 5000 accounts within a few days.
I've seen this argument used for weeks now and it insults the intelligence of the community that you would even try to pass it off as a rational for an argument without first performing due diligence.
1) Cite your sources. This is pretty basic.
2) You have provided no analysis of what happens to the player subscription rates following the release of an expansion. You have no idea what the normal rate of desubscription vs resubscription on a per day basis, much less during the weeks following a release. For all we know, 3000 de subs could be the norm, except this time people just decided to whine and post about it.
3) This is perhaps the most critical oversight. You didn't poll anyone who might have subscribed to eve because they thought Incarna was cool or liked the feature.
So you really have no idea what happened to the subscription rates, you only know that a lot of peopled signed a form saying they quit.
You may doubt my sanity for buying NeX items, but I am assured of the lack of your intelligence from your post.
Implying CQ is a "feature".
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:48:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ferric Sevic
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
they made over 3000 players cancel over 5000 accounts within a few days.
I've seen this argument used for weeks now and it insults the intelligence of the community that you would even try to pass it off as a rational for an argument without first performing due diligence.
1) Cite your sources. This is pretty basic.
2) You have provided no analysis of what happens to the player subscription rates following the release of an expansion. You have no idea what the normal rate of desubscription vs resubscription on a per day basis, much less during the weeks following a release. For all we know, 3000 de subs could be the norm, except this time people just decided to whine and post about it.
3) This is perhaps the most critical oversight. You didn't poll anyone who might have subscribed to eve because they thought Incarna was cool or liked the feature.
So you really have no idea what happened to the subscription rates, you only know that a lot of peopled signed a form saying they quit.
You may doubt my sanity for buying NeX items, but I am assured of the lack of your intelligence from your post.
All this drivel coming from a toon that has no profile picture and thus has never even tried logging into EVE.
The irony. It burns.
If there was nothing about the cancellations of accounts then why did CCP fly in the CSM on an emergency meeting?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:53:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
If there was nothing about the cancellations of accounts then why did CCP fly in the CSM on an emergency meeting?
Well, there was obviously an issue. But as to the extent of it we can only guess: and our guesses are probably far off -- save to say it was probably serious. But citing cancelation numbers, without actually having the numbers, is as good as pointless.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Albetta
Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:55:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
If there was nothing about the cancellations of accounts then why did CCP fly in the CSM on an emergency meeting?
Well, there was obviously an issue. But as to the extent of it we can only guess: and our guesses are probably far off -- save to say it was probably serious. But citing cancelation numbers, without actually having the numbers, is as good as pointless.
Did you miss the threadnaught that counted cancellations and stayed on the front page for days?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:58:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Albetta
Did you miss the threadnaught that counted cancellations and stayed on the front page for days?
And did you miss the guy just pointing out the major flaw in your reasoning? Namely that we have no way of knowing how many really canceled or were just running off their mouth; and that we have no accurate numbers on those who re-subscribed (if, indeed, they really canceled to begin with).
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Zillam Reynardine
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Posted - 2011.07.11 21:58:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Simetraz Actually there is a valid reason.
Any item bought off the NEX system ultimately cost RL cash, and if destructible would cost RL cash to replace. With all the bad press with the NEX system exactly how much bad press would come out of it if said items could be destroyed ?
This argument doesn't hold water; PLEX cost "RL cash" and can be destroyed; the only way to replace a destroyed PLEX is to cash another GTC. |
Shigeru Potatomoto
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:00:00 -
[67]
Lol, now even the griefers are mad at Incarna.
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Alexzia Sevic
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:00:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Alexzia Sevic on 11/07/2011 22:03:01
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Ferric Sevic
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
they made over 3000 players cancel over 5000 accounts within a few days.
I've seen this argument used for weeks now and it insults the intelligence of the community that you would even try to pass it off as a rational for an argument without first performing due diligence.
1) Cite your sources. This is pretty basic.
2) You have provided no analysis of what happens to the player subscription rates following the release of an expansion. You have no idea what the normal rate of desubscription vs resubscription on a per day basis, much less during the weeks following a release. For all we know, 3000 de subs could be the norm, except this time people just decided to whine and post about it.
3) This is perhaps the most critical oversight. You didn't poll anyone who might have subscribed to eve because they thought Incarna was cool or liked the feature.
So you really have no idea what happened to the subscription rates, you only know that a lot of peopled signed a form saying they quit.
You may doubt my sanity for buying NeX items, but I am assured of the lack of your intelligence from your post.
All this drivel coming from a toon that has no profile picture and thus has never even tried logging into EVE.
The irony. It burns.
If there was nothing about the cancellations of accounts then why did CCP fly in the CSM on an emergency meeting?
Mad because I posted with an alt? Sure, it means that character hasn't logged in. But your lack of intellect is preventing you from seeing that another character on that account may have logged in.
No where did CCP say they were holding the meeting because of desubs. In fact they said here it was to talk about virtual good sales and pricing. Your making a leap of faith saying it was to confront the issue of subscription rates following the release of incarna.
Edited for specificity
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:01:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Albetta
Did you miss the threadnaught that counted cancellations and stayed on the front page for days?
And did you miss the guy just pointing out the major flaw in your reasoning? Namely that we have no way of knowing how many really canceled or were just running off their mouth; and that we have no accurate numbers on those who re-subscribed (if, indeed, they really canceled to begin with).
Mittani even commented on it being 'ugly'. When CCP showed him the numbers.
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Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:02:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Pure Tabasco on 11/07/2011 22:07:42 How DARE YOU!
THIS IS NOT HELLO KITTY ONLINE. This is my little pony online. Without ponies. With spaceships. That are broken. With 1000$ japanese pants. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Until CCP fixes the game and give spaceships the LOVE they need. |
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:03:00 -
[71]
Let me finished tonights posting orgy with: you guys white knighting CCP need to severely get a grip on anything that isn't Hilmar's ... beautiful hair.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:04:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Albetta
Did you miss the threadnaught that counted cancellations and stayed on the front page for days?
And did you miss the guy just pointing out the major flaw in your reasoning? Namely that we have no way of knowing how many really canceled or were just running off their mouth; and that we have no accurate numbers on those who re-subscribed (if, indeed, they really canceled to begin with).
Mittani even commented on it being 'ugly'. When CCP showed him the numbers.
But Mittani is no doubt under NDA about it. That's why I acknowledged it was obviously a serious issue, but 'as to the extent of it we can only guess.'
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:04:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
If there was nothing about the cancellations of accounts then why did CCP fly in the CSM on an emergency meeting?
Well, there was obviously an issue. But as to the extent of it we can only guess: and our guesses are probably far off -- save to say it was probably serious. But citing cancelation numbers, without actually having the numbers, is as good as pointless.
Did you miss the threadnaught that counted cancellations and stayed on the front page for days?
Yes, and, more importantly, did you check these stats? http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Previously, every time CCP released a new EVE expansion there was a boost of several thousands user /day. This time, right after the protests in Jita/Amarr/etc. died off, there was a DROP of several thousands compared to the previous-release weeks. And consider this: many canceled accounts (like this 3rd of mine, the other two are dead already), have not expired YET.
Do not underestimate the power of canceling our subscriptions. It is, in fact, all we've got. And I can guarantee you this: CCP need money for their pants!
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ehdward Our characters are indestructible...
This is where you're wrong. Kill someone beyond their wallet and they'll start losing skillpoints. Plain and simple, everything in EVE used to destructible, feasible or not.
Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu |
Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:09:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Zillam Reynardine
Originally by: Simetraz Actually there is a valid reason.
Any item bought off the NEX system ultimately cost RL cash, and if destructible would cost RL cash to replace. With all the bad press with the NEX system exactly how much bad press would come out of it if said items could be destroyed ?
This argument doesn't hold water; PLEX cost "RL cash" and can be destroyed; the only way to replace a destroyed PLEX is to cash another GTC.
Been waiting for this to be posted!
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Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:09:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 11/07/2011 22:12:28
Originally by: Albetta CCP won't make them destructible because if they did, no one would buy them,
And yet people buy faction BSs/Dreads/Titans, pimp fit them and then go PvP.
I'm not disagreeing with you that some 'genius' at CCP thought "Wow! $80 for monocles! They better be indestructible or we won't sell many and we'll have to double the customer service staff to handle all the complaints."
It's a shame that someone smarter wasn't there when they did the pricing and said "Hold on! Let's make them only $9.99 and make them destructible. We'll sell a lot more right out of the gate and then we can supply existing "Monocle Lovers" with a new one every time they get podded!"
In the game with the best virtual economy, which is fueled by things getting blown up, you'd think that CCP would have bought a clue.
"A fool and his money are soon parted." Monocle wearers can only be fleeced by CCP once. Who was the business genius behind that?
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 11/07/2011 22:12:28
Originally by: Albetta CCP won't make them destructible because if they did, no one would buy them,
And yet people buy faction BSs/Dreads/Titans, pimp fit them and then go PvP.
I'm not disagreeing with you that some 'genius' at CCP thought "Wow! $80 for monocles! They better be indestructible or we won't sell many and we'll have to double the customer service staff to handle all the complaints."
It's a shame that someone smarter wasn't there when they did the pricing and said "Hold on! Let's make them only $9.99 and make them destructible. We'll sell a lot more right out of the gate and then we can supply existing "Monocle Lovers" with a new one every time they get podded!"
In the game with the best virtual economy, which is fueled by things getting blown up, you'd think that CCP would have bought a clue.
"A fool and his money are soon parted." Monocle wearers can only be fleeced by CCP once. Who was the business genius behind that?
$9.99.. still hardly a microtransaction. Quite a bit good software I bought over the years was around that price.
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 11/07/2011 22:23:04
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
Originally by: Maduin Ardens
They could care less, the same reason ransoms died three years ago, too many people decided that honoring ransoms was not as lucrative as taking them and then destroying the victim anyways for additional loot.
The fact that they were even shocked when people started bailing on low sec in droves and targets became increasingly scarce and ransoms stopped being paid, is just incredibly ironic.
I mean, what did they think would happen?
Hogwash.
If anything, there are more people in low sec than 3 years ago.
There are plenty of pilots still collecting and paying ransoms. Here's a ransom board to give you an idea from just one alliance: Bastards Ransom Board
lol... good propaganda, doesn't make it true tho spent the past two and a half years going up and down low/null pipes in more than half a dozen regions and heard about actual ransoms maybe twice in that time.
I'm not debating they don't still happen, what I'm saying is that the art died and a healthy level of carebears in low sec with it, and I know no one who would ever suggest paying a ransom, ever, under any circumstances, ever again.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:28:00 -
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I also do not agree with undestructible vanity items, because a fully implanted clone is destructible and when he dies all his implants are gone, and those implants are even more expensive than a single monocle plus t-shirt. -------------------------------------------
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Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 11/07/2011 22:23:04
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
Originally by: Maduin Ardens
They could care less, the same reason ransoms died three years ago, too many people decided that honoring ransoms was not as lucrative as taking them and then destroying the victim anyways for additional loot.
The fact that they were even shocked when people started bailing on low sec in droves and targets became increasingly scarce and ransoms stopped being paid, is just incredibly ironic.
I mean, what did they think would happen?
Hogwash.
If anything, there are more people in low sec than 3 years ago.
There are plenty of pilots still collecting and paying ransoms. Here's a ransom board to give you an idea from just one alliance: Bastards Ransom Board
lol... good propaganda, doesn't make it true tho spent the past two and a half years going up and down low/null pipes in more than half a dozen regions and heard about actual ransoms maybe twice in that time.
Post with your main to substantiate your putative experience or this is just more hogwash.
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Nerodon
Gallente Incapsulated Reality
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:43:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nerodon
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.
The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.
Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.
Thanks for pointing this out Yarrrrhh :-)
And sorry Nerodon, but assuming I am a psycopath in RL is as ridiculous as claiming that Bruno Ganz, who played Adolf H1tler in "Downfall", effectively committed genocide in RL. Or that people who play Quake Arena, Battlefield, or (soon) Dust run around in RL shooting rocket launchers in other people's face. I hope you understand how pathetically ridiculous your assumption is.
EVE online is a game, and in this game I like(d) to RP (among other things) a pirate who, most of the time, fights other pirates. I certainly do not feel guilty every time I blow up an internet battleship that (according to the EVE lore) has several thousands (innocent) people as crew. Do you?
Also, you know absolutely NOTHING about me, or what I do in RL. If you really want to know, I served in the Navy, I am a teacher in two international universities, I run a company and am a member the UNICEF, to whom I give over 10 times the amount of money most pay for the EVE subscription in charity every year. I am against all forms of war and violence, with the exception of that necessary to protect your freedom, the one of your family and your land.
I should have made it more apparent that I was being comedic about it then. And yes, I did understand you were RPing, don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted to bring out that there might be a slight controversy with letting items created out of cash investment being easily destroyed. Sorry if my sarcasm sounded a bit too serious. (It happens, it's okay)
Thanks for sharing these facts about your life with me, but it wasn't necessary to defend yourself in this way.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:44:00 -
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It would've been nice if clothing was 1/1000 the price it is now and would get destroyed if you were podded. That would have created an actual market for them too..
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:46:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Post with your main to substantiate your putative experience or this is just more hogwash.
I miss the old guard pirates from when I started... the ones that made the profession noteworthy and respected and filled C&P with good times daily.
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J Anders
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Posted - 2011.07.11 22:51:00 -
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OMG NO!!! WHY OH WHY WOULD CCP PUT THIS CRAP INTO THE GAME!!!
...Seriously dude, they're just clothing. Get over it? I've never seen so much bull**** whining over something so insignificant. CCP has no intentions on putting ships and other gameplay enchancing items on the store so who really gives a ****. You're acting like a "Hello Kitty" player by throwing a tantrum over a silly cosmetic item that you don't need and no one is going to talk crap if you don't get it. I don't intend to get it either because it's way to expensive.
Who cares if they're not destructible, they honestly shouldn't be anyway. It's just how you want your character to be viewed and it helps CCP in the long run by adding some revenue. It's good business.
The children need to stop being so butt hurt about a cosmetic item that affects nothing at all.
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Seven Sphynx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 23:04:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nerodon
You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!
No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.
The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.
Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.
Thanks for pointing this out Yarrrrhh :-)
And sorry Nerodon, but assuming I am a psycopath in RL is as ridiculous as claiming that Bruno Ganz, who played Adolf H1tler in "Downfall", effectively committed genocide in RL. Or that people who play Quake Arena, Battlefield, or (soon) Dust run around in RL shooting rocket launchers in other people's face. I hope you understand how pathetically ridiculous your assumption is.
EVE online is a game, and in this game I like(d) to RP (among other things) a pirate who, most of the time, fights other pirates. I certainly do not feel guilty every time I blow up an internet battleship that (according to the EVE lore) has several thousands (innocent) people as crew. Do you?
Also, you know absolutely NOTHING about me, or what I do in RL. If you really want to know, I served in the Navy, I am a teacher in two international universities, I run a company and am a member the UNICEF, to whom I give over 10 times the amount of money most pay for the EVE subscription in charity every year. I am against all forms of war and violence, with the exception of that necessary to protect your freedom, the one of your family and your land.
I should have made it more apparent that I was being comedic about it then. And yes, I did understand you were RPing, don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted to bring out that there might be a slight controversy with letting items created out of cash investment being easily destroyed. Sorry if my sarcasm sounded a bit too serious. (It happens, it's okay)
Thanks for sharing these facts about your life with me, but it wasn't necessary to defend yourself in this way.
Yep, I understand you were not being 100% serious, and I probably over-reacted ... but you cannot imagine how often I heard the argument "bad character in EVE = bad person in RL".
Ultimately, we (and I mean ALL EVE players, including the monocle-wearing ones) should have a common goal, that is to have fun in this game, playing whatever role we like to. Wouldn't carebears be bored to death, without the evil pirats making low sec such a scary place to venture into? Wouldn't monocle wearers feel MUCH BRAVER if their monocles could be destroyed? Just think the sort of "shakes" you would get when you are about to engage in a large fleet battle wearing a full set of slaves, AND two monocles, while piloting an officer fitted "gold" Scorpion ... priceless!
Peace, Seven
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NewReality
Hegemony of Eve Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.11 23:08:00 -
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If (When I ever stop being a carebear) I pod someone, I'd love for a chance of the capsuleer's clothing to be salvaged. If I loot that monicle, so be it. The first rule that really made sense to me in EVE still stands true:
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.07.11 23:12:00 -
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One time, I bought a really cool fancy watch because I thought I'd look cool. Then my watch met some water and it was all over. I think I'll petition that watch maker for not making me smart enough to buy a water proof watch.
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olimacus
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2011.07.11 23:15:00 -
[88]
Confirming I am undressing the OP with my nefarious roving eye, yet she will never be able to tell.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.11 23:19:00 -
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I want those vanity items to be destructible, so when I ransom your pod I can ask for 500 million ISK, mwahaha. -------------------------------------------
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Nerodon
Gallente Incapsulated Reality
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Posted - 2011.07.11 23:53:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Nerodon on 11/07/2011 23:55:29
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.
The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.
Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.
Thanks for pointing this out Yarrrrhh :-)
And sorry Nerodon, but assuming I am a psycopath in RL is as ridiculous as claiming that Bruno Ganz, who played Adolf H1tler in "Downfall", effectively committed genocide in RL. Or that people who play Quake Arena, Battlefield, or (soon) Dust run around in RL shooting rocket launchers in other people's face. I hope you understand how pathetically ridiculous your assumption is.
EVE online is a game, and in this game I like(d) to RP (among other things) a pirate who, most of the time, fights other pirates. I certainly do not feel guilty every time I blow up an internet battleship that (according to the EVE lore) has several thousands (innocent) people as crew. Do you?
Also, you know absolutely NOTHING about me, or what I do in RL. If you really want to know, I served in the Navy, I am a teacher in two international universities, I run a company and am a member the UNICEF, to whom I give over 10 times the amount of money most pay for the EVE subscription in charity every year. I am against all forms of war and violence, with the exception of that necessary to protect your freedom, the one of your family and your land.
I should have made it more apparent that I was being comedic about it then. And yes, I did understand you were RPing, don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted to bring out that there might be a slight controversy with letting items created out of cash investment being easily destroyed. Sorry if my sarcasm sounded a bit too serious. (It happens, it's okay)
Thanks for sharing these facts about your life with me, but it wasn't necessary to defend yourself in this way.
Yep, I understand you were not being 100% serious, and I probably over-reacted ... but you cannot imagine how often I heard the argument "bad character in EVE = bad person in RL".
Ultimately, we (and I mean ALL EVE players, including the monocle-wearing ones) should have a common goal, that is to have fun in this game, playing whatever role we like to. Wouldn't carebears be bored to death, without the evil pirats making low sec such a scary place to venture into? Wouldn't monocle wearers feel MUCH BRAVER if their monocles could be destroyed? Just think the sort of "shakes" you would get when you are about to engage in a large fleet battle wearing a full set of slaves, AND two monocles, while piloting an officer fitted "gold" Scorpion ... priceless!
Peace, Seven
I understand where you're coming from, for the record, no I don't make the assumption bad-person = bad IRL. I was -10.0 for a while, I know what it's like, it's FUN! But I just have a feeling that NeX items don't have their place in the space part of the game.
And no, I don't think risking all that makes you brave, it just proves that you're nuts! That's self-mutilation you're talking about with that kind of thrills! The amount of people that will indulge in this risk will be small, making encounters with these wearers pretty rare. Also, the items may sell even less, from a business standpoint it wouldn't make much sense either.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.12 00:54:00 -
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This thread is indestructible.
Also, Hello Kitty online refill cards double as PLEX's.
I'm not ashamed, are you? . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Jenkouk
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:13:00 -
[92]
id be freaking p****d if i spent ú70 on a monocle(which i wouldnt) and have it destroyed by some pirate scum while i mined in peace or W/E
i think ccp should make NEX items indistructable cause it costs real money.....ships, trade and implants dont....unless your poor and need to spend RL money on plex's to feed your implant addiction then thats cool. losing ú70 worth of clothing is bad enough but on a game makes it worst
personally i aint even bothered looking at the clothing stuff, it doesnt intrest me but it also doesnt effect me so why should i give a flying fudge cake
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Lonox
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:24:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Seven Sphynx I want a monocle but can't afford one!!! BAAAAWWWWW!!111 It's not fair!!! WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Originally by: Holly Cleland has red bruising and veins popping up where the monocle plugs in.
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Masamune Dekoro
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:31:00 -
[94]
Yes, this is EVE Online, but no, you may not be excused for making another useless thread when countless others of this sort exist.
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Angel Sinulf
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Posted - 2011.07.12 03:51:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Seven Sphynx There is simply absolutely no valid argument to support indestructible items in EVE, no matter whether they affect your combat/ship stats directly or not.
Sorry, but you're wrong. When your clothes get destroyed, the insurance company gives you replacements. Forever. /thread
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:48:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Jenkouk id be freaking p****d if i spent ú70 on a monocle(which i wouldnt) and have it destroyed by some pirate scum while i mined in peace or W/E
But what if the monocle only cost a fraction of that so you could get podded every week and buy a new one (for a different look!) every time and after two years have paid the same as for the single monocle now?
CCP economics made a huge mistake when planning this stuff and I'm stunned because Eyj= should know much better.
- Sok.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:52:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Sokratesz
CCP economics made a huge mistake when planning this stuff and I'm stunned because Eyj= should know much better.
- Sok.
Eyj= is not working for CCP anymore.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Sokratesz
CCP economics made a huge mistake when planning this stuff and I'm stunned because Eyj= should know much better.
- Sok.
Eyj= is not working for CCP anymore.
I must've missed the memo?
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:58:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Sokratesz
CCP economics made a huge mistake when planning this stuff and I'm stunned because Eyj= should know much better.
- Sok.
Eyj= is not working for CCP anymore.
I must've missed the memo?
Why would they advertise this?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:01:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Sokratesz on 12/07/2011 07:01:24
Don't know but you would at least expect a notification or something? As far as I know he was still working there in March. If he's gone, have they replaced him and if so who is doing his job now? He appeared to me as an incredibly smart man who was being limited in his free-market vision for EVE by a few nutjobs from game design..
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:03:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Sokratesz on 12/07/2011 07:03:28 double wtf
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:10:00 -
[102]
Now it all begins to make sense, doesn't it?
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:16:00 -
[103]
I actually paused the Monty Python's Flying Circus episode i was watching, to read the OP.
...oh well.. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:19:00 -
[104]
not yet
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AnzacPaul
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:25:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Jenkouk id be freaking p****d if i spent ú70 on a monocle(which i wouldnt) and have it destroyed by some pirate scum while i mined in peace or W/E
The thing is, the nex store doesnt have to cost you any Real life money. The argument that things are indestructible because they cost RL money doesnt fit because:
When I go buy a ship from Jita, I can
A) Buy a plex with real life money, and sell it for isk ingame
OR
B) I could go PVE for a few hours, make the isk ingame and it cost me nothing, unless you want to be petty and divide the sub fee by playing hours for the month (in other words gtfo).
The exact same thing can be done for nex items. Buy a plex with isk, transfer it to aurum. Purchase at the nex store
I would also be very keen to see the stats of people that actually converted paid plex into aurum, and those that first purchased the plex with isk then converted to aurum.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:29:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 12/07/2011 07:31:01 You're a ret~ard if you believe PVEing doesn't cost you any 'real life money'.
You're implying that the energy your PC is wasting, your broadband fees, the time you spend doing it and the reduction of subscription time for your EVE account doesn't cost anything.
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AnzacPaul
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 08:21:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 12/07/2011 07:31:01 You're a ret~ard if you believe PVEing doesn't cost you any 'real life money'.
You're implying that the energy your PC is wasting, your broadband fees, the time you spend doing it and the reduction of subscription time for your EVE account doesn't cost anything.
All of those costs would be incurred regardless of what activity you are doing, 2 of them aren't even Eve related (you saying you wouldn't have internet or your computer on if you weren't playing eve)?. Your argument is the same for grinding for any item, whether it be for mods/ships/nex etc. As I said, surely you arent petty enough to divide certain aspects of the game into a real life/isk ratio?
I grind for isk sometimes, so I can pvp in expensive ships. I count that as part of the game, and not as cost/non grinding ratio.
Even if you add those costs on, Im sure 1.6bill can be made in a wormhole/decent */10 plex for alot less real life money then the isk conversion. The cost of a plex is not equal to the amount of isk you can make in 30 days.
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debnedaebne
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.07.12 08:50:00 -
[108]
I can confirm Xeno is "a pirate psychopath" Infidel o/
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.07.12 14:44:00 -
[109]
The whole WiS Incarna mechanic is a separate mechanic. It's a pretty obvious that CCP intends it to be a separate game of sorts within EVE. You either do the ship thing in the ship world or the station thing in the station world.
Why should clothing et al for the station stuff be subject to the ship world stuff?
The NeX was designed for the whole hanging in stations thing. If you don't care about WiS then why care about the stuff associated with it?
I'm sick of folks trying to apply game world lore mentality to a business model.
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