Maybe it's not supposed to compete with the others in direct 1v1. This ship is destroyer ! And it can kill any destroyer easily.

The speed on this thing is insane, you just cannot have a comparable dps to the other cruisers.

Oh, and have you tryed a TD on the fourth mid ?

Kill the drones (you shouldn't have problem hitting medium drones, and light ones don't hurt so much) and don't use barrage if you are too fast for this ammo. Also note that if you cannot track your opponent, your opponent may not track you either, though, you can fit for tracking (smaller guns, rigs) or even use minmatar special tracking ammo.

And I was wrong in fact, it's not a destroyer, it's an AF... This thing is even faster than a destroyer, and faster than some AF...

With such speed, it's not with cruisers you should compare it, but with destroyer/AF.

Then it look much better : you have dps and speed of an Enyo, with way better range but less tracking. You should have better defense on top.

Really, with such speed, stabber shouldn't ever be able to compete with normal attack cruisers unless it's in the way an AF compete with them.

Though you cannot make a cruiser faster than a frigate and as powerful as a cruiser, or you have a cynabal, a ship not too low on the OP ships list.

You cannot ignore this insane speed. Absolutely no cruiser (angel ships excluded) will ever outrun the stabber, ever, whatever you do. And the sig is rather small for a cruiser too, only logi ship having a smaller one.

With such speed, you cannot consider it on same ground than the other cruisers.

With two HAML, you can have the same dps than a SFI (350), though the SFI is still slower. Of course the SFI have a way better tank among other advantages, but it's a navy ship, and a good one.

While I agree with the assessment. I think of the hurricane or cyclone as the next step beyond the Stabber.

@ Meldorn Vaash.
Maybe since the Winmatar uses capless weapons you don't see why Amarr pilots complain. I think CCP should remove cap from trolling twits like yourself so you can get of your high-horse. Minmatar already have their cake and eat it also with scraps left over for the dog. So when you ask for a 5th turret slot and a drone bay I say NO, deal with your fitting constraints like any other non-Minmatar pilot.

Read up a few mate, I'm in favor of giving the Stabber a 5th turret. My response you quoted is directed at a twit who only want more fittings on a Stabber while at the same time removing drones from the Thorax.

So read a bit more before calling me a hypocrite, sir.

This is an important point. We shouldn't skimp on providing other turret slots just because of the focused role of a given ship. In many cases these slots allow us the ability to make our ships unique should we have a design plan to implement them. Even if it does not fit into the idea of maximizing out put - The utility provides a bonus in itself.

New players can fly the Rupture if they want to focus just on autocannons, it does pretty good without launchers.


But splitweapon setups have always be so incredibly Minmatar and awesome...When I started the game, the general consensus was that Minmatar was a "ok" race, but a race that required more skilltraining than others. The Typhoon (a great ship btw, Minmatar should have more of these not less) was always the pinnacle of this, featuring 4 guns, 4 launchers and the 125mm drone bay in unison.




Giving the Stabber a few drones and a reasonable bonus for its launchers would be a much better, much more unique approach to the problem, than just "meh another gun and some more damage boni", that's so Gallente/Amarr...

There are so many ships that apply drones that it makes me wonder what makes Gallente "Gallente". I'd not want to see drones on the Stabber with these new bonuses.

UNLESS

If drones/bandwith are to be on just about every ship of eve , then apply more of the rare drone specific bonuses than the typical ones that had been around for ages.

Rough example:
Stabber, Falloff and Drone Speed bonus.

And just lower overall HP (or not, as it is already a DPS-reduction for not having the Rate of Fire bonus).

Whatever way around, that falloff bonus is quite a big change - at least making the ship really efficient in hit and run. I wouldn't want to see the Stabber with too many features, but that has to apply to other similar "attack cruisers".