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Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.14 13:49:00 - [1] Originally by: jackaloped Ok I know lots of people like the idea of no local. Many people like to gank pve ships and think that no local will help. But there are other forms of pvp in eve - if just barely. Local is a very very important tool for anyone who roams solo or with a small gang. Killing local is going to benefit blobbing tactics more than it hurts blobbing. Hence removing local is a pro blobbing move. For those who want to argue that removing local is going to be better for pvp please consider facts. Wormholes have no local. Yet there is only a fraction of pvp in those systems as compared with null sec and low sec. This was established by ccps qens. No matter whether you consider the amount of pvp per person or per system, pvp does not happen in wormholes in anything close to what happens in null and low sec. The fact is a few people like fitting scan probes to their ships and scanning around but most people think its nothing but a pia. Conclusion: Ok it appears ccp must remove local to fully implement incarna. But please offer something that is as close a replacement to local as you can. Automatically let us know who is in system so we don't have to waste more time scanning around only to find the system is empty. Make it easier to find pvp, not longer. Flame suit on. When they "kill it" they will probaly change it to something that actually gives you better intel, but have to click a button to get or something. We dont have local in Wspace till someone speaks. I used to rely on dscan but then changed to an alt with combat scanner probes. Have not been jumped or killed since I made the switch. Its a pain in the ass, but it works very nicely. I am sure whatever tool CCP implements will be a nice compliment to the system. I am sure that no matter what they release someone will *****. So listen to OP please CCP. I don't want people calling me fanboi because I said you would release a decent tool and then you don't. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.14 15:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 14/07/2011 15:13:21 side note: Im pretty sure the WH's have the MOST PvP in game. They have the least % of PvP according to the QEN, but also the least # of systems, making it the highest per system, and unquestionably the highest per capita. Originally by: Karash Amerius Killing local strengthens PVP, and the game in general. Do not be scared of change...embrace it. How ****ed are you going to be if the new system gives better intel instead of worse, which I am almost sure will happen? . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.11 14:29:00 - [3] No local does not kill PvP in wormholes. So if it kills PvP for you HTFU. /thread. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.11 17:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones No local does not kill PvP in wormholes. So if it kills PvP for you HTFU. /thread. Look at the actual statistics in the QEN of how much pvp happens in wormholes. Its far far less than low sec or null sec. Yeah but its the highest per capita. Post the numbers. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.11 17:45:00 - [5] Just looked up the past 2 Qen's. WH space was 2.4% of the population, 4% of the kills as of q3 2010 You can go to WH space right now and find PvP if you want it. Fact is most people don't because there is no local and it is hard PvP. Which brings me back to my first post in this thread, of which the gist is HTFU. You can get PvP in EvE anytime you want it. If no local stops you from PvP you were a "carebear" [sic] to begin with. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.11 18:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 11/08/2011 18:05:40 Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones No local does not kill PvP in wormholes. So if it kills PvP for you HTFU. /thread. Look at the actual statistics in the QEN of how much pvp happens in wormholes. Its far far less than low sec or null sec. Like Cypher says, it's more PvP per person. Wormholes are only 3, 3.5% of the population of Eve and there's plenty of PvP to be had. No your arguing against math. Wormholes are worse than null and low sec per capita and per system. The Quarterly reports tend to show low sec is the place where a player can find the most pvp. We have to use the last two reports to get a picture of where the pvp mostly happens but low sec appears to have the most pvp per person and per system. Population of each space per Q2 report of population: Low sec: 8% or @56,960 WH: 7% @49,840 HS: 53% or @ 377360 Null sec 32% 227.84 Q3 report said that there were 800 thousand kills in that quarter. 29% or 232k of those kills were in low sec 4% or 32,000 of those kills in wormholes 16% or 128,000 of those kills were in high sec And 51% or 408,000 were in null sec. Ok on a per capita basis then we see that low sec yields about 2.3 xs as many kills/losses as null sec. Low sec gets about @ 5xs as many kills/losses as in wormholes. If we look at the amount of pvp per system we can see low sec is still the best place to be. Low sec (641 systems): 361 kills per system Null sec (3304 systems): 123 kills per system Worm hole(2499 systems): 12 kills per system. Now the QEN does not separate null sec into npc null sec and sov holding null sec. I wish it would. I would anticipate that npc null sec would be as good or even better than low sec. Which would also mean that player sov null sec is even worse for pvp. Lol, where did you get the 49000 figure for WH population? In the 2010 q2 qen the population was 16,800, and in the q3 2010 it was 18,000. According to that number the population of wh space was <2.5% but the kills were 4%. You are mixing numbers and percentages from separate reports. Quote: Originally by: Ingvar Angst Caerain and Cipher seem to have dramatically different numbers. Because I used numbers from the same QEN. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.11 19:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Cearain Still pretty clear that wormholes aren't the place to go for 1000 man fleet fights. Your blob is calling. If you can get off mommys tit long enough, try PvP without local. I'm a carebear fanboy CCP alt troll according to the forums, so if I can do it and you cant that makes you pretty low on the totem pole. I guess you missed the implication that I was making in the first place, so I will say it loud and clear for all to hear... "If you need local to PvP, you are a *****". That doesn't mean I dont approve of anyones in game playstyle choices, its just callin it like I see's it. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.12 02:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones ....I'm a carebear fanboy CCP alt troll according to the forums, ... Maybe that is because you are a carebear troll and you make yourself look foolish posting in threads you know nothing about. My bad. You know about small gang/solo pvp w/o local even tho you have admittedly never tried it. Have a nice thread. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.12 16:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones ....I'm a carebear fanboy CCP alt troll according to the forums, ... Maybe that is because you are a carebear troll and you make yourself look foolish posting in threads you know nothing about. My bad. You know about small gang/solo pvp w/o local even tho you have admittedly never tried it. Have a nice thread. Well if you ever do try to do some solo or small gang pvp you will learn how important local is. You should give it a try its fun. If I ever get the urge to kill mining barges I will visit a wormhole. I thought you were trolling at first but I see you are just being daft. I have tried it both ways many times. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.

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