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Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.07.14 11:45:00 - [1] Originally by: jackaloped Ok I know lots of people like the idea of no local. Many people like to gank pve ships and think that no local will help. But there are other forms of pvp in eve - if just barely. Local is a very very important tool for anyone who roams solo or with a small gang. Wormholes. No local. It's all "anyone who roams solo or with a small gang", and it's a hell of a lot more exciting than anything you have in null or low sec. Grow a pair. Try real PvP. Hell, I'm a "carebear" in a wormhole and I'm not cowed by a lack of local, just a lot more alert. There is no monocle.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.07.14 11:55:00 - [2] Originally by: jackaloped Also I don't want to have to gimp my ship with a scan probe launcher just to spend time to find out a system is empty. Again make finding decent small scale pvp easier not harder. Expanded launcher. You want combat probes. Better yet... bring a scanning friend with you while you do your ratting or whatever the hell non-wormholers do out there. There is no monocle.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.11 17:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones No local does not kill PvP in wormholes. So if it kills PvP for you HTFU. /thread. Look at the actual statistics in the QEN of how much pvp happens in wormholes. Its far far less than low sec or null sec. Like Cypher says, it's more PvP per person. Wormholes are only 3, 3.5% of the population of Eve and there's plenty of PvP to be had. There is no monocle.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.11 18:04:00 - [4] Caerain and Cipher seem to have dramatically different numbers. There is no monocle.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.11 18:48:00 - [5] Your numbers are invalidated by something rather significant... gate camps. Gate camps produce an unproportionate number of kills, and certainly cannot be considered "small scale PvP"... hell, they can't be considered PvP at all. Remove all kills from gate camps, then tell us the numbers. Give us numbers of kills with no more than one or two ships difference between the two sides. Camps and Blobs aren't PvP. There is no monocle.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.11 19:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Cearain While I agree gate camps are lame pvp, I don't think this would apply that much in low sec. Yes there are gate camps but by an large with gate guns preventing fast locking ships and no bubbles they aren't that big of a factor. Do people camp wormholes? I don't know. It seems to me wormholes would be a bad place to go solo unless you were just looking to gank people farming/mining. Also I would bet a larger percent of the kills in wormholes are situations where the victim didn't even have a point fit. Again people who like to fight pve fit ships, so they can always warp off, will likely prefer no local. Also people who blob will like no local. But for people who just like to find fun small scale pvp fights this will kill it off. Occasionally someone will try camping holes, but unless you know a specific target in there absolutely has to come to you it's pretty hit and miss. You need to count on someone scanning that particular hole down then coming through it. Low sec camps, however, ... we recently had teh frigate race, jumped through one good sized camp. They didn't get my mag, yet the wrecks floating around certainly indicated they were having pretty good luck with what they were doing. There is no monocle.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.12 16:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Cipher Jones No local does not kill PvP in wormholes. So if it kills PvP for you HTFU. /thread. Look at the actual statistics in the QEN of how much pvp happens in wormholes. Its far far less than low sec or null sec. Yeah but its the highest per capita. Post the numbers. The numbers have been posted proving your claim is false. I didn't think I would hear anything useful out of you afte that. I also saw numbers proving your numbers were false. Monocles are so two weeks ago. Sparkle ships are the future!

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