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Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.15 10:31:00 - [1] yesterday we have had visiteur in dramiel. 3 people woke up and spent some time to catch him. We are carebears just FYI After 30 minutes of "cat and mouse" play we returned home. No kills, no losses, only wasted time. He went to hext system. Next to it we got cynabal coming. We took place near the gates. Drake + cloaked arazu. Well. He went straight to next gates before i could lock him. And to next system and far away..... So i want to know: is it that great and glorious "PVP" many people are playing for? For me it was looking like wasting of time. It's like sitting in station and spamming into local "you can't catch me! Go and try! I'm faster!". One more time: pvp isn't present in Eve....
foksieloy Minmatar Rockets ponies and rainbows	Posted - 2011.07.15 10:43:00 - [2] 2/10 your troll-fu is weak. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M.
Meditril	Posted - 2011.07.15 14:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Meditril on 15/07/2011 14:33:19 Your statement is a typical wanna-be-PVP players statement. PVP is not like NPC ratting where your pray simply waits for you to come and slaughter him. Real PVP means that usually your prey is hard to catch, even though sometimes the prey comes to you by itself but this is the exception. Another aspect of PVP is that it is not always clear who the cat and who the mouse is. This can change fast and a prey can easily turn into hunter while youself end up as pray. So get used to it, a big part of PVP is waiting, hunting, baiting or fooling someone which can also be enjoyable and thrilling if done right.
Zondrail Formic Hive	Posted - 2011.07.15 15:04:00 - [4] I don't think OP is complaining about PVP from the perspective of what they're doing (they admit to primarily being a carebear), but commenting on the fact that the two pilots in the Dram/Cynabal who are "PVPers" seem to be doing anything they can to avoid a fight. I agree that the avoidance of combat is kind of stupid. I know that it makes sense and people don't want to lose their shinies... but isn't the point to have fun? Just last night I engaged in a 1v6 in my Hookbill. Yes, I got blown up, but I took three of them down with me before I did and it was a great time. Completely worth the loss.
Smabs	Posted - 2011.07.15 15:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Smabs on 15/07/2011 15:34:15 If you were in a cynabal would you fight a drake and arazu? A drake is one of the last things a cynabal wants to fight. You need to at least give the other person a fight they have some chance of winning. There's a bit too much of the undocking a hurricane for frigates syndrome in eve.
Princess Nexxala Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.15 15:33:00 - [6] Lose the zu and I am sure would get plenty of fights. No kiting ship will engage any gang with 20km+ scrams
King Rothgar Path of the Fallen	Posted - 2011.07.15 16:18:00 - [7] Pretty much that, I've been badgered many times for not fighting ships far superior to my own either individually or in numbers (often both). Before you start pestering people about running from such "fights" you should ask yourself if you'd go for it if your places were reversed. If the answer is no, well, that's why they ran. If you want a fight, you must scale your ships and gang size to reflect potential opponents. I'm not saying you shouldn't try to give yourself an edge, but do so covertly or make it a very minor edge. A fittings/implant/ganglink edge is often best as people can't tell if you have it till you start shooting.
Mintala Arana Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.15 16:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Meditril Real PVP means that usually your prey is hard to catch, even though sometimes the prey comes to you by itself but this is the exception. Another aspect of PVP is that it is not always clear who the cat and who the mouse is. This can change fast and a prey can easily turn into hunter while youself end up as pray. When your prey comes to you, and it's probable that they know you're there, it usually means that they feel confident of the result, i.e. they think they can take you.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.15 16:46:00 - [9] Angel ships are pretty much specifically designed to be uncatchable if you dont outnumber them alot. And aditionally they are also simply OP.
lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.07.15 19:04:00 - [10] Edited by: lordlulzs on 15/07/2011 19:07:12 Edited by: lordlulzs on 15/07/2011 19:04:12 Its strange... CCP says eve is a pvp game, and yet they make death penalties so high that in fact no one wants to engage unless they know they will win. Yea... I know right? Edit: INB4 LOL NEWB go back to everquest. EDIT2: hey if you want pvp where people will always engage and there is no death penalty, replace your eve shortcut with the test server shortcut.

OllieNorth Gallente R-K Industries	Posted - 2011.07.15 21:24:00 - [11] All ya'll capsuleers posting in a troll thread.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.07.16 00:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Smabs You need to at least give the other person a fight they have some chance of winning. There's a bit too much of the undocking a hurricane for frigates syndrome in eve. QFT. This whole whining about everyone flying nano to avoid fights is so hypocritical as it always comes from exactly the types that expect people to engage their failblobs without a remote chance of even killing something. Of course they themselves will run away as soon as they have less than a 2:1 advantage, but thats fair I guess.
Mfume Apocal Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.07.16 11:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Miss Rabblt So i want to know: is it that great and glorious "PVP" many people are playing for? For me it was looking like wasting of time. It's like sitting in station and spamming into local "you can't catch me! Go and try! I'm faster!". One more time: pvp isn't present in Eve.... You only way to get something resembling "on-demand" PvP is to fight at a disadvantage consistently. The sandbox and non-consequence free nature of this game makes for excitement, but it also means that the majority are risk averse. Which is fine, but leads to a lot of downtime if you want nothing but "fair" fights.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.16 11:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Smabs You need to at least give the other person a fight they have some chance of winning. There's a bit too much of the undocking a hurricane for frigates syndrome in eve. QFT. This whole whining about everyone flying nano to avoid fights is so hypocritical as it always comes from exactly the types that expect people to engage their failblobs without a remote chance of even killing something. Of course they themselves will run away as soon as they have less than a 2:1 advantage, but thats fair I guess. Meanwhile the ones complaining about being blobbed always are flying ships that are uncatchable by solo players.
Mfume Apocal Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.07.16 12:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Furb Killer Meanwhile the ones complaining about being blobbed always are flying ships that are uncatchable by solo players. Yeah, a lot of that going around.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.16 22:42:00 - [16] thanks to all made reasonable answers here. however main point was: what do you go to 0.0 sec for? You do it to fight? Or what for? Yes. i know: drake is OP. But as i'm carebear i don't want to have full rack of Eve ships to engage enemies when they visit MY system. Yes i have falcon, lachesis, taranis fitted and never used. Just to play =) You know: as carebear i have 2 options when danger come. 1) dock and go afk (buuuu!) 2) take something and go fight ("grow some balls" and other crap). With "smart" modern strategy i haven't any options except dock and go afk. Because if i take drake a lot of enemies will not fight. Ok. But what ships i have here? - My carrier? You will not engage it unless you get hot drop to me with big gang. And i don't want to warp gate-to-gate to find target. - My shiny expensive ships for 10/10 escalations? I use tengu so again: no one will engage me. - My industrial ships? lol.... Last days i fill ready to pvp. I even go and fight with 100AB tengu when it comes here. Yes i can loose this drake but i already have bought new one. So no problem. And every day we have visitors. But no fights.... And this is how this thread appeared. I really want to know: what do dramiel and/or cynabal pilots want to find when they go for targets? After all: "risk vs reward". Reward is here (wallet is fat). However i don't see any risk....
rampro Heroes. Merciless.	Posted - 2011.07.16 23:16:00 - [17] just stick with the drake for now to be fair
I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.17 00:55:00 - [18] Bring a drake. Meet me at planet 1.. <3
Mfume Apocal Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.07.17 01:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Miss Rabblt thanks to all made reasonable answers here. however main point was: what do you go to 0.0 sec for? You do it to fight? Or what for? Looking back on the app thread I made for my first 0.0 corp, it was "to get spacerich and blow up other people's ships." Quote: Yes. i know: drake is OP. No, it isn't. It's just that, well-flown, you counter a lot of FOTM ships out there. Quote: But as i'm carebear i don't want to have full rack of Eve ships to engage enemies when they visit MY system. Yes i have falcon, lachesis, taranis fitted and never used. Just to play =) You know: as carebear i have 2 options when danger come. 1) dock and go afk (buuuu!) 2) take something and go fight ("grow some balls" and other crap). This is pretty much the right attitude to have. Quote: And this is how this thread appeared. I really want to know: what do dramiel and/or cynabal pilots want to find when they go for targets? Easy ganks and care-free escapes.
Harlequin Sweetlips	Posted - 2011.07.17 13:22:00 - [20] Why does the OP assume that the players in Dramiel and Cynabal were there looking for combat? They could easily have been there for some other purpose. Lots of people fly everywhere with no intention of doing any PVP and will always run away if they see enemy ships. Just because I'm in a Drake in lowsec doesn't mean I will want to punch your lights out even if you are in a much weaker ship.

Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.17 15:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Harlequin Sweetlips Why does the OP assume that the players in Dramiel and Cynabal were there looking for combat? They could easily have been there for some other purpose. Lots of people fly everywhere with no intention of doing any PVP and will always run away if they see enemy ships. Just because I'm in a Drake in lowsec doesn't mean I will want to punch your lights out even if you are in a much weaker ship. you know: low sec is little different than 0.0 region 20 jumps from high-sec..... this is like to say about guy with gun came to bank: maybe he visited bank on his way home from weapon shop?
B00T INI	Posted - 2011.07.17 15:37:00 - [22] The first mistake you made was considering it your space.
Tsubutai The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.07.17 16:49:00 - [23] Chances are they were just running around looking for soft kills. If you want them to engage, you have to give them a target that looks easy. A drake sat on a gate that locks them up is dangerous (and one cannot have danger when pvp'ing, that'd be sad and stuff and means you might risk losing your ship ); a drake merrily ratting away in a belt in a quiet system looks much less threatening and will probably get their interest. So go off and pretend to be harmless and lonely and distracted by NPCs in something that will murder them if they take the bait. A dualweb nano drake should work - warp to top belt, shoot a few rats to create some wrecks for a little verisimilitude, and wait.
Lyrrashae Minmatar Crushed Ambitions	Posted - 2011.07.18 00:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Miss Rabblt Yes. i know: drake is OP. But as i'm carebear i don't want to have full rack of Eve ships to engage enemies when they visit MY system. Actually, no: The Drake is not even close to overpowered--it's arguably one of the best-balanced ships in the game, especially considering how limited the fitting-strategies are for a "typical" PvP Drake, said fittings being heavily biased towards tank over gank--IE, 1 LSE II, 2 Invuln, 3x CDF Extenders, because of CPU limitations (no way missile-rigs are going to fit without implants and/or slot gimping for instance. Ganglink requires a CPU mod in a low, Tech II HM/HAM launchers require giving up a BCU for fitting reasons--again, CPU--dual nano-fibre HM Drake (my personal favourite) either loses DPS (-1 BCU) or EHP (-1 DCU II), again due to fitting limitations. Want more EWAR? (Say, a nice Target-Painter to help those T II Fury missiles out a bit, along with a web?) You've just sacrificed a huge chunk of your EHP, on a ship that doesn't really make up for a lack of same all that well in other ways. And even with these fitting limitations, and inherently less DPS (compared to, say, a Shield-Cane or Shield-Harbi--The latter's DPS going into your tank's weakest resist!), it is still one of the game's most versatile and incredibly useful ships. If you make your money through PvE'ing, especially. Lots of people fly it, because it is so useful, easy to fly, forgiving of mistakes, and doesn't need umpty-billion fitting, tanking, and weapon SP to be useful and effective, so it was only a matter of time before more people started PvP'ing with them, and winning, which led to all the gank-bears screaming for a nerf at present, when it is the ship that arguably needs one least. If anything, it could use a slight CPU and power-grid buff.
TaluxA	Posted - 2011.07.18 00:25:00 - [25] You can fit 3 bcu and a big tank to a drake. It's just that most people decide not to.
Lyrrashae Minmatar Crushed Ambitions	Posted - 2011.07.18 00:37:00 - [26] Originally by: TaluxA You can fit 3 bcu and a big tank to a drake. It's just that most people decide not to. Not with T II launchers and a MicroWarp-drive, afaik (AB might be something else, but painfully sllllllooooooow). This is one "Brick" fitting I've seen, though not tried myself--653.75/656.25Tf CPU, and that's with near-max'ed fitting skills (All mine are at level 5 save Shield Upgrades, which is at 4): LO: DCU II Power Diagnostic System II 2x BCU II MID: Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon MWD (these cost nothing now) J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor 2x Invulnerability Field II 2x Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction (T II simply ain't gonna go) HI: 7x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Free hi slot--no CPU left for anything, but you might want to have an offline salvager or whatev') RIG: 3x CDF Extender I
Jamradar Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.07.18 02:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Miss Rabblt We are carebears just FYI stopped reading right there.
TaluxA	Posted - 2011.07.18 10:44:00 - [28] Edited by: TaluxA on 18/07/2011 10:46:20 Quote: Not with T II launchers and a MicroWarp-drive, afaik (AB might be something else, but painfully sllllllooooooow). [Drake, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Faint Warp Disruptor I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Or alternately with implants: [Drake, Tank plus Gank] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5
Concubinia Scarlett	Posted - 2011.07.18 12:05:00 - [29] A drag bubble some distance behind the out gate combined with your arazu & drake combo would work wonders y'know...
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.18 16:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Concubinia Scarlett A drag bubble some distance behind the out gate combined with your arazu & drake combo would work wonders y'know... on the way to it

Jude Lloyd Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.07.18 17:34:00 - [31] 1/10. You want to start a PVP career? Jump in a frig... Just because your have the SP to fly larger ships, doesn't mean you have the skill to fly them in a PVP situation. Derp.
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov	Posted - 2011.07.18 18:12:00 - [32] So, you wonder why a solo Dramiel wouldn't fight a 3 man gang (probably specially equipped to counter his ship) and chose instead to have some fun by leading you on a merry chase? Yeah, I know your sort. I have much fun with guys like you. You're the sort of cretin who rages at the solo player who frustrates his gang's attempt at a cheap gank. You're nothing but a despicable coward whose idea of a good fight is merely a killmail at the end of a one-sided gank.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.19 09:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov [/qoute] yea, lol Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov Yeah, I know your sort. I have much fun with guys like you. You're the sort of cretin who rages at the solo player who frustrates his gang's attempt at a cheap gank. You're nothing but a despicable coward whose idea of a good fight is merely a killmail at the end of a one-sided gank. yea, i know your sort. Get shiny pirate ship, go to somewhere and kill industrial or afk ratter. Then go to forum and cry "aaaaa, carebeeeeears!" PS: learn to read before you write. Great russian name doesn't help to your comprehension just for you know.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.19 11:47:00 - [34] Yeah getting a frig will be a brilliant idea against a dramiel or cynabal, how exactly does getting alot of loss mails make you a better pvp'er? Really it isnt like the combat mechanics in eve are so hard, having the right ship for the job is alot more important. Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov So, you wonder why a solo Dramiel wouldn't fight a 3 man gang (probably specially equipped to counter his ship) and chose instead to have some fun by leading you on a merry chase? Yeah, I know your sort. I have much fun with guys like you. You're the sort of cretin who rages at the solo player who frustrates his gang's attempt at a cheap gank. You're nothing but a despicable coward whose idea of a good fight is merely a killmail at the end of a one-sided gank. Dramiel pilots whining about people who want cheap ganks while flying the roaming FOTM, the irony is killing me. And even calling them a coward while flying the ultimate GTFO mobile. Simple issue was more they didnt have enough people, if you want to kill a dramiel you either need a bait (AML drake -> kill dramiel), or you need a ****load of people who camp gate on two sides with bubbles in both sides and very fast tackle.
Lyrrashae Minmatar Crushed Ambitions	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov Yeah, I know your sort. I have much fun with guys like you. You're the sort of cretin who rages at the solo player who frustrates his gang's attempt at a cheap gank. You're nothing but a despicable coward whose idea of a good fight is merely a killmail at the end of a one-sided gank. I normally never even consider saying this, it's so gratingly juvenile and used-to-death, but in this case, you soooooooooooooooooooo totally walk right into it: U MAD, BRO? (Because you sound mad. You really do.)
Lyrrashae Minmatar Crushed Ambitions	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:58:00 - [36] Originally by: TaluxA Edited by: TaluxA on 18/07/2011 10:46:20 Quote: Not with T II launchers and a MicroWarp-drive, afaik (AB might be something else, but painfully sllllllooooooow). [Drake, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Faint Warp Disruptor I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Or alternately with implants: [Drake, Tank plus Gank] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 As regards the first spec': The "typical" 1x LSE II/2x Invuln II/3x CDF Extender fit has about 10-11,000 more EHP with not too great a loss in DPS (although this fit projects ca. 400 DPS with good skills right to 75km targetting range, **** yeah, I like this!) As regards the second spec': This will work with a +3% CPU implant, and has ca. 97-98,000 EHP, but is rather limited operationally and tactically (I'd really only use it for a larger gang/fleet where you have a surfeit of fast light- and heavy-tackle already, and you're really just there to hurl missiles from halfway across grid. The extra EHP would certainly help against a similar fleet's alpha. That scrammer can make for a nice "Ummmm...Urp?" moment for any over-confident quicky-fasties who get too close to the 'noob Drake-blobber,' though ). For very large fleets (50+ pilots) I'd just drop the scrammer for a T II EM resist-amplifier (+3% CPU implant needed), ca. 107-109,000 EHP depending on skills. (A Medium F-S9 Regolith Extender will also fit if you use a +3% power-grid implant, but will have 10-12,000 EHP less. Plus, for whatever reason, that particular module has become as expensive as a fully-fitted cruiser recently). That's the beauty of the Drake--for those who don't know them, they seem limited, but, within it's normal roles, they are so incredibly useful, and incredibly versatile overall plus easy for newer pilots to get into and take advantage of that versatility. That's also why Battle-cruisers in general, are arguably the best ships in the game, by the way.
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov	Posted - 2011.07.20 01:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Furb Killer Yeah getting a frig will be a brilliant idea against a dramiel or cynabal, how exactly does getting alot of loss mails make you a better pvp'er? Really it isnt like the combat mechanics in eve are so hard, having the right ship for the job is alot more important. Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov So, you wonder why a solo Dramiel wouldn't fight a 3 man gang (probably specially equipped to counter his ship) and chose instead to have some fun by leading you on a merry chase? Yeah, I know your sort. I have much fun with guys like you. You're the sort of cretin who rages at the solo player who frustrates his gang's attempt at a cheap gank. You're nothing but a despicable coward whose idea of a good fight is merely a killmail at the end of a one-sided gank. Dramiel pilots whining about people who want cheap ganks while flying the roaming FOTM, the irony is killing me. And even calling them a coward while flying the ultimate GTFO mobile. Simple issue was more they didnt have enough people, if you want to kill a dramiel you either need a bait (AML drake -> kill dramiel), or you need a ****load of people who camp gate on two sides with bubbles in both sides and very fast tackle. Heh, now where did I say I was a Dram pilot? Nowhere, that's where. I have never, and will never fly a Dramiel. That said, I still have more respect for the solo Dram pilot than I do for most PvPers in this game. Most of you are utter cowards.
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov	Posted - 2011.07.20 02:03:00 - [38] Edited by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov on 20/07/2011 02:03:30 Originally by: Lyrrashae I normally never even consider saying this, it's so gratingly juvenile and used-to-death, but in this case, you soooooooooooooooooooo totally walk right into it: U MAD, BRO? (Because you sound mad. You really do.) Oh yes, you got me. I'm mad. Real mad. I'm doing cartwheels of rage right now. And, to top it off, I've just been on the receiving end of a fresh, original and highly cutting internet meme. This, sir, is a humiliation I shall never live down! I shall take a razor to my wrists immediately. Is it down the river or across the street? I never do remember... Well, once I've finished smashing up my flat with rage, I shall endeavour to google it.
Mfume Apocal Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.07.20 05:26:00 - [39] Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 20/07/2011 05:27:37 Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov Yeah, I know your sort. I have much fun with guys like you. You're the sort of cretin who rages at the solo player who frustrates his gang's attempt at a cheap gank. You're nothing but a despicable coward whose idea of a good fight is merely a killmail at the end of a one-sided gank. lol e-honor i dont know many who wont take the easy kills when they can get them
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.07.20 14:59:00 - [40] There are only two reasons PVP ever takes place in EVE. A, The enemy thinks they are relatively assured of victory usually because they have some sort of ace up their sleeve (like SC group on standby for a hot drop) B, they have no choice That's it. The trick is to make them think that A applies to them and B applies to you. Then when they bite the hook you spring your trap and you find out who had the bigger hole card.

Lyrrashae Minmatar Crushed Ambitions	Posted - 2011.07.20 21:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov Edited by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov on 20/07/2011 02:11:56 Originally by: Lyrrashae I normally never even consider saying this, it's so gratingly juvenile and used-to-death, but in this case, you soooooooooooooooooooo totally walk right into it: U MAD, BRO? (Because you sound mad. You really do.) Oh yes, you got me. I'm mad. Real mad. I'm doing cartwheels of rage right now. And, to top it off, I've just been on the receiving end of a fresh, original and highly cutting internet meme. This, sir, is a humiliation I shall never live down! I shall take a razor to my wrists immediately. Is it down the river or across the street? I never do remember... PEN1SPEN1SPEN1SPEN1S. Your argument is hereby rendered invalid.
Cassiopeia Andromedae	Posted - 2011.07.20 21:12:00 - [42] Because EVE has celestials as warp points, pvp interface is basically pretty horrible. PVP should get a full expansion to bring new dimensions on it. I agree OP, it's F U C K I N G boring to have pvp in EVE. Gazillion megamillion hours and scans after you might find one target and even that logs out. Wee. Epic fleet flights an all that crap
Stukkler Tian	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:49:00 - [43] The joy is in the hunt, learn to love it or play cod.
Crellion Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.07.21 12:16:00 - [44] Edited by: Crellion on 21/07/2011 12:30:29 bah I was trash talking the poor noobs too much... let them do their thing... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Fore Khaos	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Fore Khaos on 22/07/2011 15:50:45 Edited by: Fore Khaos on 22/07/2011 15:50:08 Originally by: lordlulzs Edited by: lordlulzs on 15/07/2011 19:07:12 Edited by: lordlulzs on 15/07/2011 19:04:12 Its strange... CCP says eve is a pvp game, and yet they make death penalties so high that in fact no one wants to engage unless they know they will win. CCP thinks the only PvP worth doing is massive, lag-inducing node-crashing sov battles that most eve players won't actually take part in (because they don't want to). Of course people can't avoid these fights without losing their space or at least having to come take it back. But in a solo/small gang situation, what do you care? You're just there for kills and tears. So they run away, dock, logoff or cloak until a better situation comes along (however long that may be). So the small-gang/solo types resort to alts, log-on traps, and the general empire greifing of noobs who haven't learned all the game-breaking exploits like they have. And CCP keeps ignoring this for 0.0 because they can release trailers of huge, epic, "I was there" space battles. Next time somebody moans that removing or changing local would be killing the game, think about this.
Harlequin Sweetlips	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: Harlequin Sweetlips Why does the OP assume that the players in Dramiel and Cynabal were there looking for combat? They could easily have been there for some other purpose. Lots of people fly everywhere with no intention of doing any PVP and will always run away if they see enemy ships. Just because I'm in a Drake in lowsec doesn't mean I will want to punch your lights out even if you are in a much weaker ship. you know: low sec is little different than 0.0 region 20 jumps from high-sec..... this is like to say about guy with gun came to bank: maybe he visited bank on his way home from weapon shop? I used to be in a corp with a guy who was obsessed with killing anyone on sight, on the grounds that if he didn't, they would undoubtedly attack him. He didn't seem to understand the irony of this self-fulfilling prophecy. Dramiels are good ships for getting around lowsec, they are nippy and if they get snared they are capable of putting up a decent attempt at escape. Other ships are taken there for all sorts of reasons other than for PVP combat. You speak as if this never happens, yet I have done it myself, and if I do it, so must hundreds of others. What you claim is pretty much that "if you're in lowsec you must be a pirate" which is nonsense.


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