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Leeroy McJenkins GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.18 19:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Feligast Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins Originally by: Feligast I noticed. Can I get you ice cream or something? Would it help you cheer up? Yo can I get some of that ice cream? Only if you look me in the eyes while you're licking it. Deal. Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
Daxation	Posted - 2011.07.18 20:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Llambda Edited by: Llambda on 18/07/2011 19:22:26 Quote: To answer the question yet again; "There is some ceiling as to how many bubbles you can legitimately put down without knowingly lagging the server, which is a violation of the TOS. CCP has not publicly published this number." Again, you are answering a question that wasn't ing asked. At no point in the OP did they ask how many bubbles is okay. They asked if the tactic of trapping someone with warp bubbles is okay. These are two completely separate issues, and the question you keep answering is, again, only tangentially related. There was no issue of quantity, there was no question of induction of unplayable conditions. However, in no circumstances is the mere act of simply trapping someone an offense. You may, in the process, break some other rule, but that wasn't what was asked. Here is the meat of their question, for you, a third time: Quote: The question I have is; Is this a bannable offense? POS Shields inhibit/are to protect you, but if you can't jump out of a "Safe Spot" then whats the point of having POS shields if you can just anchor a bubble and keep people from jumping? The answer to this question is an unqualified, "No". Preventing someone from warping out of their POS is not an offense of any kind. Notice how you ignored the fact that I said "jump" not warp? I see ragecaging as an exploit because the warp disruption bubble overlaps into the shields, thus nullifying the point of having a shield. Why don't we just allow people to be locked & shot at inside the pos. It'd just clear this whole issue up. Thanks CCP for being once again for being absolutely worthless...
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.18 20:25:00 - [33] Edited by: Feligast on 18/07/2011 20:25:39 Originally by: Daxation Notice how you ignored the fact that I said "jump" not warp? I see ragecaging as an exploit because the warp disruption bubble overlaps into the shields, thus nullifying the point of having a shield. Why don't we just allow people to be locked & shot at inside the pos. It'd just clear this whole issue up. Thanks CCP for being once again for being absolutely worthless... You're so right. While we're at it, bubbles shouldn't stop supercaps from jumping at all, because they're supposed to be immune to ewar. Worthless, I'm telling you.... So, whatcha got stuck? Nyx, by the sound of you... you look like a lemming fotm kinda guy. **** missed the snipe
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.18 20:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more members and pets than any other coalition. Goons have more spies than any other alliance. Goons have more ISK and resources than any other alliance. Goons know more exploits and tricks than any other alliance. Goons RMT more than any other alliance Goons have more supercaps than any other alliance Even with all these and many more benefits, Goons still fail so hard and die to the first alliance that attack them oh look... kalle is back.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.07.18 21:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Daxation Originally by: Llambda Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Llambda Edited by: Llambda on 18/07/2011 18:02:19 Obviously not bannable, obviously should not be bannable. I'm baffled that anyone would even ask this. It depends on the situation. 500 would be banable if you read the TOS at all. Dropping 500 isn't what this is about, if you read the OP at all. Dropping more than 25 bubbles in any location is bannable. I've already been banned for that. I drop 35 Large T2 bubbles On a gate. :P The OP was a mere question; Can you do it or will you get banned? It's an exploit from whatever way you look at it. No it shouldn't be bannable, but then again, shouldn't it? Or should CCP just fix it to where the bubbles to effect ships on the inside of the "forcefield". so basically, you log out, and log back in, your f*cked. Just so everyone knows: (This is from personal experience.) If you log out in a POS force field that has been bubbled, your ship sits there for about a minute, then disappears. When you log in you appear at a e-warp point 1000000 km off, like any other e-warp point, then warp back to the POS through the bubbles, to a point close to where you were when you logged. If you cannot defend your POS from those who would attack and bubble it, maybe you do not deserve it.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.18 21:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins Originally by: Feligast Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins Originally by: Feligast I noticed. Can I get you ice cream or something? Would it help you cheer up? Yo can I get some of that ice cream? Only if you look me in the eyes while you're licking it. Deal. **** how do I get in on this?
Morganta	Posted - 2011.07.18 21:44:00 - [37] nothing wrong with a r8pe cage as someone pointed out as long as its there to do its job and not there to lag out the server. a pos is a large thing to cover, it will take multiple bubbles to lock it down. and theres not a damn thing wrong with that. you are still safe in your safe spot, you just can't go anywhere, and that's functioning as intended, its called a blockade. ride it out, hire mercs, move out, use alts. you have lots of options
Mspaine Amarr Eternal Guardians Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.07.19 00:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Uuali CCP, protecting big alliances and monocle wearers since 2003 (monocles since a few months ago). lol! Does the term "silent investors" mean anything? ohhh When did they release zee googlles?!??! I WANTZ THEMZ!!! oh hai.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.19 06:56:00 - [39] Edited by: Othran on 19/07/2011 06:57:56 There is no limit on the number of bubbles you can deploy on a gate. You will NOT get banned and the bubbles will NOT be removed. If you doubt this then I suggest you go to V-IH6B. When I went in there I found over 100 bubbles anchored on the gate. That was confirmed as perfectly acceptable by a senior GM because it had a "tactical reason". If its acceptable to massively bubble up a gate to rat in the system then its acceptable to bubble up anything else you can think of. The tl;dr is that if you are anchoring bubbles there is no limit because you can always come up with a "tactical reason" for doing it.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.07.19 07:08:00 - [40] Spamming objects in space (bubbles, cans, shuttles...) for the purpose of causing lag is bannable. Launching anything for an actual tactical purpose is not. Cans launched to decloak incoming targets or bubbles launched to create a 100k x 100k x 100k unwarpable field around a gate or in a POS are okay. The current game mechanics allow the effects of a warp bubble to work through POS forcefields. This is unlike ECM bursts some time ago, which have been confirmed as a bug, were petitionable, and were later fixed. ---
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.07.19 07:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more members and pets than any other coalition. Goons have more spies than any other alliance. Goons have more ISK and resources than any other alliance. Goons know more exploits and tricks than any other alliance. Goons RMT more than any other alliance Goons have more supercaps than any other alliance Even with all these and many more benefits, Goons still fail so hard and die to the first alliance that attack them This again... so, half a year ago it was the NC. Three months ago it was the DRF. Now it's the Goons, but they are surely invincible, this time, trust me! I've been in 0.0 for just a year, but I have learned that nobody, no matter how big or powerful, is invincible. In fact, the biggest blocks fall apart fastest. ---
Last Star Fighter	Posted - 2011.07.19 07:41:00 - [42] GOONS CRYING ABOUT BLOBS NON-SHOCKER *SPACESHIPS > ROBOTS*
Akara Ito Amarr Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.19 09:03:00 - [43] Edited by: Akara Ito on 19/07/2011 09:04:50 Originally by: Daxation So, I listened to the Goonswarm's "State of the Goonion". I had to have a good laugh. But that's not the point of this post. I know what RageCaging is, and from what I've heard from several people, it's much like Smart Bombing Jita undock, or popping out thousands of jetcans. The question I have is; Is this a bannable offense? POS Shields inhibit/are to protect you, but if you can't jump out of a "Safe Spot" then whats the point of having POS shields if you can just anchor a bubble and keep people from jumping? I'm also going to mention the incident with IT Alliance & their enemies when they were ragecaged. The GM's popped their bubbles. So, I'd like to know CCP & Players. Is this a bannable offense and if it isn't, should it be? The only thing not allowed would be pointing/immobilizing somebody for hours without killing them because this would stop people from playing the game. I can assure you that we will kill any Elite PvP Supercap Pilot that logs in in order to allow him to continue playing this bad spaceship game however he wants.
Golden Goose 4CCP	Posted - 2011.07.19 09:51:00 - [44] Dude I'd like to see YOU sit in a system 23.5/7 camping some blobs in an obscure part of space just to catch supercarriers that won't log on anyway because they know they are being ****caged. These brave men and perhaps even women are defending their space from a foreign invasion using a pretty cool tactic. Are you jealous of their superior skills?
Daxation	Posted - 2011.07.20 07:21:00 - [45] Looks like everyone completely missed what I was originally asking. But from watching all you kids troll. You must all be GSF. Only Goonies would troll this hard to a DRF guy.
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.07.20 07:35:00 - [46] Hmm... I remember back when TEST were taking 6VDT with Goons + co, we had a longer than usual DT so i told everyone to go to a new thread i created on CAOD and post there in protest to the longer DT. about 5 minutes later the thread disappeared off the face of the planet, 13 posts short of the magical 1000 mark And then we all get back on to find 4/5ths of the bubbles deactivated
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.20 09:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Akara Ito Edited by: Akara Ito on 19/07/2011 09:04:50 Originally by: Daxation So, I listened to the Goonswarm's "State of the Goonion". I had to have a good laugh. But that's not the point of this post. I know what RageCaging is, and from what I've heard from several people, it's much like Smart Bombing Jita undock, or popping out thousands of jetcans. The question I have is; Is this a bannable offense? POS Shields inhibit/are to protect you, but if you can't jump out of a "Safe Spot" then whats the point of having POS shields if you can just anchor a bubble and keep people from jumping? I'm also going to mention the incident with IT Alliance & their enemies when they were ragecaged. The GM's popped their bubbles. So, I'd like to know CCP & Players. Is this a bannable offense and if it isn't, should it be? The only thing not allowed would be pointing/immobilizing somebody for hours without killing them because this would stop people from playing the game. I can assure you that we will kill any Elite PvP Supercap Pilot that logs in in order to allow him to continue playing this bad spaceship game however he wants. Why wouldnt that be allowed? That person can simply SD his ship/pod and get out.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.07.20 09:26:00 - [48] Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more members and pets than any other coalition. Goons have more spies than any other alliance. Goons have more ISK and resources than any other alliance. Goons know more exploits and tricks than any other alliance. Goons RMT more than any other alliance Goons have more supercaps than any other alliance Even with all these and many more benefits, Goons still fail so hard and die to the first alliance that attack them 8/10 man look at all those bites you got with stuff you shamelessly made up PS I half suspect you're a goon alt. They love trolling like this. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Ivana Twinkle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.20 13:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more supercaps than any other alliance Could you please make them login then?
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.07.20 14:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Akara Ito Edited by: Akara Ito on 19/07/2011 09:04:50 Originally by: Daxation So, I listened to the Goonswarm's "State of the Goonion". I had to have a good laugh. But that's not the point of this post. I know what RageCaging is, and from what I've heard from several people, it's much like Smart Bombing Jita undock, or popping out thousands of jetcans. The question I have is; Is this a bannable offense? POS Shields inhibit/are to protect you, but if you can't jump out of a "Safe Spot" then whats the point of having POS shields if you can just anchor a bubble and keep people from jumping? I'm also going to mention the incident with IT Alliance & their enemies when they were ragecaged. The GM's popped their bubbles. So, I'd like to know CCP & Players. Is this a bannable offense and if it isn't, should it be? The only thing not allowed would be pointing/immobilizing somebody for hours without killing them because this would stop people from playing the game. I can assure you that we will kill any Elite PvP Supercap Pilot that logs in in order to allow him to continue playing this bad spaceship game however he wants. self destruct negates this issue
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.20 14:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Llambda Edited by: Llambda on 18/07/2011 19:22:26 Quote: To answer the question yet again; "There is some ceiling as to how many bubbles you can legitimately put down without knowingly lagging the server, which is a violation of the TOS. CCP has not publicly published this number." Again, you are answering a question that wasn't ing asked. At no point in the OP did they ask how many bubbles is okay. They asked if the tactic of trapping someone with warp bubbles is okay. These are two completely separate issues, and the question you keep answering is, again, only tangentially related. There was no issue of quantity, there was no question of induction of unplayable conditions. However, in no circumstances is the mere act of simply trapping someone an offense. You may, in the process, break some other rule, but that wasn't what was asked. Here is the meat of their question, for you, a third time: Quote: The question I have is; Is this a bannable offense? POS Shields inhibit/are to protect you, but if you can't jump out of a "Safe Spot" then whats the point of having POS shields if you can just anchor a bubble and keep people from jumping? The answer to this question is an unqualified, "No". Preventing someone from warping out of their POS is not an offense of any kind. Thats fine that you believe that in your head, but the fact is that you can be banned/punished for putting up too many bubbles, it has happened to people in the thread who have stated it directly. Also, the short answer to the question is just plain "yes". I actually want you to say it is not once again because it has already been established by a third party that it is. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.20 14:57:00 - [52] Quote: That was confirmed as perfectly acceptable by a senior GM because it had a "tactical reason". Thats the real answer then, for everyone in the thread. Some GM's WILL ban you for it, some WILL NOT. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
TehMaster	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Jack Tronic Originally by: Taedrin AFAIK, there is no rule against deploying bubbles around a POS. There ARE, however, rules against deploying so many cargocontainers, bubbles, etc such that it causes lag. Actually GMs aren't allowed to touch bubbles anymore, I've attempted to petition DRF dead systems with HUNDREDS of bubbles anchored on them. The senior GMs even said nope. Yea, Ive had similar experiences. The GM's told me "Its how they play the game"
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:18:00 - [54] The opinion posted in the OP would have carried a little more weight if it wasn't so obviously an alt of a member in one of the affected alliances, who no doubt have employed, and will again employ, these ****cage tactics. Just because we don't know whose alt you are doesn't mean you're not a hypocrite.
Bring Stabity	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more members and pets than any other coalition. Goons have more spies than any other alliance. Goons have more ISK and resources than any other alliance. Goons know more exploits and tricks than any other alliance. Goons RMT more than any other alliance Goons have more supercaps than any other alliance Even with all these and many more benefits, Goons still fail so hard and die to the first alliance that attack them I feel that you sir are mad
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:52:00 - [56] Other important posts by Daxation - http://eve-search.com/thread/1487231/page/29#854 Quote: I think we need to go back to the times of where having a capital fleet was a rare thing. Why not increase the costs of building capital ships? Here's a fabulous idea, give titans their AOE Doomsday back. It'll be a counter towards blobs. Granted they'd need to put coded features in to keep a single titan from annihilating 20 battleships with a single DD. -- Kismeteer, carebear extraordinaire
Strawman o7	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:53:00 - [57] Hahahahaaha REEEEEEETARRRRRRRD dont hate the players hate the game , if ya cant take the heat under our suns stay outa our systems hahahaha Dooomsday now means you have landed yourself in a ragecage mauahahahaha! =P
Natasha Pertrovich Aihaken	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:54:00 - [58] GM = Goon Management doesn't it? heh
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:54:00 - [59] Edited by: Andski on 20/07/2011 15:55:51 Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more members and pets than any other coalition. Nope. The DRF have more members and pets within their bloc. Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons have more ISK and resources than any other alliance. Our finances are public. Morsus Mihi, Razor, IT, XIX, etc. all have/had much more in ISK and resources than we do. Originally by: Kalle Demos Goons know more exploits and tricks than any other alliance. Goons RMT more than any other alliance Goons have more supercaps than any other alliance No, no and no. You're a goddamn idiot.
Mr Sokitumi	Posted - 2011.07.20 16:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Strawman o7 Hahahahaaha REEEEEEETARRRRRRRD dont hate the players hate the game , if ya cant take the heat under our suns stay outa our systems hahahaha Dooomsday now means you have landed yourself in a ragecage mauahahahaha! =P Oops wrong char hehe

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