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Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:19:00 - [1] currently f someone steals a loot can they get aggression from the can owner and not the person who caused the can. the loot stealers should gain aggro timer on can owner and corp and the people who created the can. most of the time the persons can is there because they arent on the field anymore. not saying there shouldnt be loot theives, just saying they should have danger in their profession as most other do.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:22:00 - [2] I once popped an ore thief in Tash-Murkon..... --------
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Martinez currently f someone steals a loot can they get aggression from the can owner and not the person who caused the can. the loot stealers should gain aggro timer on can owner and corp and the people who created the can. most of the time the persons can is there because they arent on the field anymore. not saying there shouldnt be loot theives, just saying they should have danger in their profession as most other do. huh? isn't the can creator the can owner? unless you lauch for corp or something. here's a better idea, use your own can or use secure cans or is your problem you got ganked and someone looted your wreck? if so, tough.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:43:00 - [4] Originally by: daddys helper Originally by: Martinez currently f someone steals a loot can they get aggression from the can owner and not the person who caused the can. the loot stealers should gain aggro timer on can owner and corp and the people who created the can. most of the time the persons can is there because they arent on the field anymore. not saying there shouldnt be loot theives, just saying they should have danger in their profession as most other do. huh? isn't the can creator the can owner? unless you lauch for corp or something. here's a better idea, use your own can or use secure cans or is your problem you got ganked and someone looted your wreck? if so, tough. wow, ok, let me try again. i shoot a war target, i blow him up and before i can get to the can a noob corp pilot in a destroyer has flown in and taken the loot. i should have kill rights on him as well as the corp members of the pilot i destroyed.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:53:00 - [5] Nah. If you want to kill people for loot, be better at the looting part. The thieves already have the risk that comes with the theft. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.19 20:56:00 - [6] You should edit the OP to say this instead: "I want PvP kills to spawn a wreck owned by the killer, NOT by the victim." Because that's what you actually wanted to say. And failed to do so clearly enough. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 21:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T You should edit the OP to say this instead: "I want PvP kills to spawn a wreck owned by the killer, NOT by the victim." Because that's what you actually wanted to say. And failed to do so clearly enough.[/quote no i want them to be create aggro for both. both sides should be able to shoot them.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 21:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Tippia Nah. If you want to kill people for loot, be better at the looting part. The thieves already have the risk that comes with the theft. what threat do they have, they are looting a can from a pilot whos ship is destroyed. there is practically no threat there. its not that i am killing people for loot i am killing people while at war in a internet space ship game. the killer should have rights on the can also.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.19 21:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Martinez what threat do they have, they are looting a can from a pilot whos ship is destroyed. àform the pilot's corp. Quote: there is practically no threat there. Of course not, as long as you sit there and protect the thief, those corpers might not show up and punish him. Quote: the killer should have rights on the can also. Why? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:00:00 - [10] Edited by: Martinez on 19/07/2011 22:03:28 there should be real dangers in stealing a can, not dangers from a pod. i mean you cannot even protect cans with your alliance. its a flawed mechanic to not allow people to get rights on the kill can. its not even that hard to do since your 15min aggression doesnt reset after looting a can after you destroy a target. so it seems it recongizes who destroyed it. also, if you dont like my idea, give a reason why it would be bad. i see no negative for this for anyone except loot stealers, which currently have practically no recourse on their actions. for the people who say " well kill the loot stealer" you get concorded, lose sec, and if he did get anything of value it could not drop. for me to defend my winnings i have to go to that extremem, where he has no risk except from a pod or the corpse floating beside the can.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:02:00 - [11] Edited by: Tippia on 19/07/2011 22:06:15 Originally by: Martinez there should be real dangers in stealing a can, not dangers from a pod. i mean you cannot even protect cans from your alliance. There are, but you keep removing those dangers. Stop doing that, and the lack of danger is gone. Quote: its a flawed mechanic to not allow people to get rights on the kill can. How so? Quote: also, if you dont like my idea, give a reason why it would be bad. Because you haven't explained why it's needed. Quote: for me to defend my winnings Ah. Assumptionsà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Louisa Plexbuyer	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:05:00 - [12] tears from someone in an alliance called moar tears. how ironic and sweet they taste
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Martinez there should be real dangers in stealing a can, not dangers from a pod. i mean you cannot even protect cans from your alliance. There are, but you keep removing those dangers. Stop doing that, and the danger is gone. Quote: its a flawed mechanic to not allow people to get rights on the kill can. How so? Quote: also, if you dont like my idea, give a reason why it would be bad. Because you haven't explained why it's needed. Quote: for me to defend my winnings Ah. Assumptionsà ok i will try again. lets say we war dec sunshine and lollipops. you are flying a arazu around and i kill you. while fighting lets say your corpmate, a noob corp member flies in and takes your can loot before i destroy your corpmate. so now i have killed two ships, but at best i get to loot one. i paid for the war dec against you, i want to enjoy the loot since i risked my ship to fight for it. but now i have no recourse against the pilot who stole your loot which should now belong to me. all i am asking is if he wants to grab loot fine, but you, your corp, and me{the can creator} should have rights on the can.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Louisa Plexbuyer tears from someone in an alliance called moar tears. how ironic and sweet they taste yes tears, tears all day. i weeping. you are dumb, stay on topic please.
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Louisa Plexbuyer tears from someone in an alliance called moar tears. how ironic and sweet they taste Aren't they? Such sweet sweet tears.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Martinez ok i will try again. lets say we war dec sunshine and lollipops. you are flying a arazu around and i kill you. while fighting lets say your corpmate, a noob corp member flies in and takes your can loot before i destroy your corpmate. so now i have killed two ships, but at best i get to loot one. i paid for the war dec against you, i want to enjoy the loot since i risked my ship to fight for it. Ah, the "I think my opinion is the only one that really matters, so do it in the way I like it" defense ! Hey, how about this : no more wardecs at all, or corp can pay counter-fees to nullify it which you have to outbid to continue warring in highsec. What, not fair you say ? Hmm. Quote: but now i have no recourse against the pilot who stole your loot which should now belong to me. I go into nullsec solo and without a scout and I am now in a position with no recourse against getting obliterated. CCP should make it so that once I am in a gatecamp, I still have a recourse to that too ! That, by the way, was sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell. How about next time YOU get to the can sooner and pick it up before others do ? Last time I checked, you're not forced to have all of your alts in the same corp, so... Quote: all i am asking is if he wants to grab loot fine, but you, your corp, and me{the can creator} should have rights on the can. Hey, how about we make so that ships in corps that have an active wardec drop no wreck at all if killed by a member of the opposing force ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Martinez all i am asking is if he wants to grab loot fine, but you, your corp, and me{the can creator} should have rights on the can. Using your example, the corpmate (who would have rights to the can) would not be flagged for stealing since he has rights to it. As already mentioned, you are wanting rights to the can from the wreck instead of the person that just blew up. That is the only way people could be flagged for taking from it.
LordOfDespair	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:21:00 - [18] I think he is saying that when he kills a wartarget... others are allowed to loot the wrecks of the WT without giving him aggro. Which IF true sounds pretty broken to me. If they want to loot they have to pay the consequences of getting blown up.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Tippia on 19/07/2011 22:24:24 Originally by: Martinez i paid for the war dec against you, i want to enjoy the loot since i risked my ship to fight for it. Maybe you're deccing me for the wrong reason them? If you did it as an investment in looting opportunities, maybe you should protect that investment a bit better by having dedicated looters standing by. Quote: now i have no recourse against the pilot who stole your loot which should now belong to me. And again: assumptions. Why should it? Originally by: LordOfDespair Which IF true sounds pretty broken to me. If they want to loot they have to pay the consequences of getting blown up. How so? The thief gets the normal theft aggro and has to deal with the consequences of that already. What's broken about it? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:23:00 - [20] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 19/07/2011 22:23:29 Originally by: Martinez Originally by: daddys helper Originally by: Martinez currently f someone steals a loot can they get aggression from the can owner and not the person who caused the can. the loot stealers should gain aggro timer on can owner and corp and the people who created the can. most of the time the persons can is there because they arent on the field anymore. not saying there shouldnt be loot theives, just saying they should have danger in their profession as most other do. huh? isn't the can creator the can owner? unless you lauch for corp or something. here's a better idea, use your own can or use secure cans or is your problem you got ganked and someone looted your wreck? if so, tough. wow, ok, let me try again. i shoot a war target, i blow him up and before i can get to the can a noob corp pilot in a destroyer has flown in and taken the loot. i should have kill rights on him as well as the corp members of the pilot i destroyed. Please, give us Moar Tears. The wreck do not belong to you, deal with it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Breaker77 Edited by: Breaker77 on 19/07/2011 22:19:54 Originally by: Martinez all i am asking is if he wants to grab loot fine, but you, your corp, and me{the can creator} should have rights on the can. Using your example, the corpmate (who would have rights to the can) would not be flagged for stealing since he has rights to it. As already mentioned, you are wanting rights to the can from the wreck instead of the person that just blew up. That is the only way people could be flagged for taking from it. edit: Unless by you and your corp, you mean the person who blew up the ship and his corp. and can creator, you mean the person that just blew up. Either way it comes down to you are wanting rights to the can from the wreck instead of the person that just blew up. That way you can shoot anyone that takes from it. holy crap can you read? i want 3 groups to have rights on the can. the person whos ship blew up, his corp, and the people who blew up his ship.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Martinez ok i will try again. lets say we war dec sunshine and lollipops. you are flying a arazu around and i kill you. while fighting lets say your corpmate, a noob corp member flies in and takes your can loot before i destroy your corpmate. so now i have killed two ships, but at best i get to loot one. i paid for the war dec against you, i want to enjoy the loot since i risked my ship to fight for it. Ah, the "I think my opinion is the only one that really matters, so do it in the way I like it" defense ! Hey, how about this : no more wardecs at all, or corp can pay counter-fees to nullify it which you have to outbid to continue warring in highsec. What, not fair you say ? Hmm. Quote: but now i have no recourse against the pilot who stole your loot which should now belong to me. I go into nullsec solo and without a scout and I am now in a position with no recourse against getting obliterated. CCP should make it so that once I am in a gatecamp, I still have a recourse to that too ! That, by the way, was sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell. How about next time YOU get to the can sooner and pick it up before others do ? Last time I checked, you're not forced to have all of your alts in the same corp, so... Quote: all i am asking is if he wants to grab loot fine, but you, your corp, and me{the can creator} should have rights on the can. Hey, how about we make so that ships in corps that have an active wardec drop no wreck at all if killed by a member of the opposing force ? lol back to you, wow. where to start. first off i dont think i said my opinion is the only one that matters, i said disaggree but give a reason why. there hasnt be a good reason yet posted. secondly, ifyou want to pay counter-fees fine. do it. you would rather say pay a billion isk to concord than fight a empire war. ok whatever you want. third your 0.0 sarcasm has nothing to do with the topic but ok. fourth, yes we could send a alt or player to only loot, but that seems silly to do and unnesseasary when a easy fix could be done. fifth and the best one, you are saying nothing drop from targets you get to kill? so you want to play World of Warcraft or maybe hello kitty? seriously, stop posting.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:34:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2011 22:38:54 Originally by: Martinez i want 3 groups to have rights on the can. the person whos ship blew up, his corp, and the people who blew up his ship. I want wardecs to be impossible in highsec, and only have any effect in lowsec. Neither of us gets what they want. Originally by: Martinez lol back to you, wow. where to start. first off i dont think i said my opinion is the only one that matters, i said disaggree but give a reason why. there hasnt be a good reason yet posted. How about this reason : it's the way it works now, so even if it's not perfect, whoever wants it CHANGED has to GIVE a good enough reason to change it - the alternative has to be worth the trouble of making the change. Quote: secondly, ifyou want to pay counter-fees fine. do it. you would rather say pay a billion isk to concord than fight a empire war. ok whatever you want. I would much rather see the poor bastards pay 1 bil ISK to try and keep me wardecced (while I pay slightly less), only to never actually encounter me at all anyway. Quote: fourth, yes we could send a alt or player to only loot, but that seems silly to do and unnesseasary when a easy fix could be done. A zillion fixes could be done that require less work and less playtesting and offer a much better improvement to many more people. Are you starting to get the drift yet ? Quote: fifth and the best one, you are saying nothing drop from targets you get to kill? so you want to play World of Warcraft or maybe hello kitty? seriously, stop posting. It was sarcasm. I was sarcastically suggesting nothing should drop IN HIGHSEC while wardec is on and target was killed by somebody they were at war with. Want loot ? Go into lowsec, or suicide-gank in highsec instead. Highsec wardecs are carebear junk. Or, should I say, gankbear. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 19/07/2011 22:23:29 Originally by: Martinez Originally by: daddys helper Originally by: Martinez currently f someone steals a loot can they get aggression from the can owner and not the person who caused the can. the loot stealers should gain aggro timer on can owner and corp and the people who created the can. most of the time the persons can is there because they arent on the field anymore. not saying there shouldnt be loot theives, just saying they should have danger in their profession as most other do. huh? isn't the can creator the can owner? unless you lauch for corp or something. here's a better idea, use your own can or use secure cans or is your problem you got ganked and someone looted your wreck? if so, tough. wow, ok, let me try again. i shoot a war target, i blow him up and before i can get to the can a noob corp pilot in a destroyer has flown in and taken the loot. i should have kill rights on him as well as the corp members of the pilot i destroyed. Please, give us Moar Tears. The wreck do not belong to you, deal with it. yes currently that is the flawed mechanic. i belive it should be changed. here is another idea. post with your main and i can war dec ya and we can both taste tears.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2011 22:39:35 Originally by: Martinez i want 3 groups to have rights on the can. the person whos ship blew up, his corp, and the people who blew up his ship. I want wardecs to be impossible in highsec, and only have any effect in lowsec. This way, neither of us gets what they want. EDIT : this was sarcasm too, by the way, in case you were wondering. Originally by: Martinez lol back to you, wow. where to start. first off i dont think i said my opinion is the only one that matters, i said disaggree but give a reason why. there hasnt be a good reason yet posted. How about this reason : it's the way it works now, so even if it's not perfect, whoever wants it CHANGED has to GIVE a good enough reason to change it - the alternative has to be worth the trouble of making the change. Quote: secondly, ifyou want to pay counter-fees fine. do it. you would rather say pay a billion isk to concord than fight a empire war. ok whatever you want. I would much rather see the poor bastards pay 1 bil ISK to try and keep me wardecced (while I pay slightly less), only to never actually encounter me at all anyway. Quote: fourth, yes we could send a alt or player to only loot, but that seems silly to do and unnesseasary when a easy fix could be done. A zillion fixes could be done that require less work and less playtesting and offer a much better improvement to many more people. Are you starting to get the drift yet ? Quote: fifth and the best one, you are saying nothing drop from targets you get to kill? so you want to play World of Warcraft or maybe hello kitty? seriously, stop posting. It was sarcasm. I was sarcastically suggesting nothing should drop IN HIGHSEC while wardec is on and target was killed by somebody they were at war with. Want loot ? Go into lowsec, or suicide-gank in highsec instead. Highsec wardecs are carebear junk. Or, should I say, gankbear. 1.so basically you have nothing but sarcasm to add to this post? 2.good enough reason is currently people are allowed to take other peopls work with litle to no risk. 3.you dont think the pay to get out of wars would be a nightmare? corp war dess you for 1 billion you pay 500 million for it to be dropped attacking corp would get their money back. where do you think that would end? 4. like i said earlier the system already recongizes who destorys the ship, so i dont see it being that hard. 5. are you starting to get the drift you havent posted one good reason why this shouldnt be in game. all you have posted is other changes you want and how it would better if we lived in peace and harmony. this thead has a topic please stick to it.
Eilella Tralente Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:58:00 - [26] Why should ownership of someone's property be transferred to you when you kill them? I know this is Internet space ships but sometimes it makes sense if the mechanics have a basis in reality.
Morganta	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:58:00 - [27] so knidly explain how that works when concord pops a GCCd faction fit BS who forgot not to yump into empire does this mean the the wreck belongs to the criminal or concord?
Morganta	Posted - 2011.07.19 23:00:00 - [28] everyone should wardec the moron OP just for being an asshat with his main
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.19 23:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Martinez 2.good enough reason is currently people are allowed to take other peopls work with litle to no risk. No, it's not good enough a reason. Why is it a problem? Why does it need to be fixed? How does your proposal fix this problem? For starters, you shouldn't begin with stating things that are provably false and use them as your only argument: there is risk; theives already gain aggro. Why is this not enough? Why are the existing solutions not sufficient? What makes you say that it's "your work" being stolen? Why should it be yours? Quote: are you starting to get the drift you havent posted one good reason why this shouldnt be in game. all you have posted is other changes you want and how it would better if we lived in peace and harmony. Actually, yes he has: it shouldn't be in the game because you haven't provided any kind of reasoning why it should be beyond "I want!" and he's showing you what an utterly useless and worthless reason this is. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.19 23:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Morganta so knidly explain how that works when concord pops a GCCd faction fit BS who forgot not to yump into empire does this mean the the wreck belongs to the criminal or concord? no concord wrecks are blue. they can go to anyone.

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