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Vashy Stampede
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Posted - 2005.02.26 16:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Shadowthrone
I am simply pointing out that we dont just gank nubs in empire, that we are regulary fighting your vets, on most nights and usually come out on top. I am trying to dispell the lies that your alliance spews about my corp, and i am doing so with cold hard facts
Cold hard facts? For the sake of a conversation then. First of all, your "I like to point out that most of kills arent lone pilots." could be very well right, but then we're not talking about "the whole war" but just 1 fleet battle? Since your own killboard blatantly contradicts this claim otherwise.
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that we dont just gank nubs in empire
Of course you don't, cuz a lot of peeps, newbies or "vets" alike regularly visit empire to do their stuff. Most of your ganks consists of those who simply have no intention nor are fitted to pvp at all.
Plus, does it matter a lot when gategankers encounter newbies or "vets"? Somehow, I can't imagine their survival rate high either way.
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that we are regulary fighting your vets
Not most of the time though, and not in fleet battles but gate ganking.
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on most nights and usually come out on top
Assuming this is somewhat accurate, it's still less damaging for an alliance overall...
Not saying that it's wrong in general; going after the weakest is a basic strategy after all and that can be achieved by staying in empire and camping empire gates in your case.
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2005.02.26 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 26/02/2005 17:38:25
I dont belive that CELES didnt know that SE and ATUK were frinds, it would be an incredible oversight on their behalf.
Defending your frinds is the most natrual thing, and that is exactly what SE did. It was not done as an act of piracy or hatered against CELES. It was done to protect a friend.
If you didn't know before you know it now, ATUK and SE are friends. I will do my best to defend ATUK and most of SE will do the same. From what I have read here Xetix will also join in the fight.
From the posts CELES and SE have posted in this thread this war started with the loss of 7 CELES bs's witch were shooting at ATUK. The reason for that was just a lack of knowledge. That has been corrected now. And CELES have most likely ganked more the 7 rogue bs's in empire by now, my Arma being one of them, so the score is more than even.
From reading this thread my understanding is that CElES are anti pireate corp. SE are not pirates, we are an Alliance. We do what we need to protect our selfs and our space.
So the only reason I can think of for this war must be to alow CELES to gank rouge SE pilots in empire, witch to me sounds like a pirate act, not that I'm judging.
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.02.26 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: The7thDwarf
You still miss the point of what fed is saying tho...
If we are all bound by our knowledge of the underworkings of eve politics then SE would know just as well as CELES that ATUK are KOS permanently to CELES and their sending in a lone BS to scout? was only going to result in exactly what happened, they opened fire. And tbh I think it was more of the last in a line of events to trigger what has become of it all.
I understand your point very well and I am sorry to burst your bubble, but your corp is not nearly as big as SE. At the very least it would be completly unreasonable to expect SE to know 1 corps policies as oppose to you knowing SEs, which is a very high profile alliance, policies.
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The7thDwarf
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Posted - 2005.02.26 18:56:00 -
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well thats a cope out.. personally speaking the only people who give a **** about alliance politics are alliances ... that alliance > one corp policy is tiring as you somehow expect us or any corp to hold the values or positions of an alliance above our own... We didn't and thus we are where we are at...
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.02.26 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: HeadHunta II
Edited by: HeadHunta II on 26/02/2005 12:41:34
Edited by: HeadHunta II on 26/02/2005 12:40:59
Originally by: S3VYN
Edited by: S3VYN on 25/02/2005 21:12:17
SE seems to have a habit of allowing ATUK to lead them around by the ring in their nose to fight people SE considers friends but ATUK considers targets. Once you've fought with SE it isn't hard to decipher SE's control structure and who really pulls the strings in their (and I use the term loosely) organization.
T0o bad, really, there are some damn fine folks in SE.
Note that I no longer represent FIX, so if what I say makes you mad flame me, not FIX.
Edit: typo
Oh pls, just dont post at all if u dont know whats going on. Its not needed that you post in every single topic ur opinion about SE. 
You know how our control structure works? Hmm, strange...because i never saw u in any fights we had with FIX.
And yes, ill flame only u here...the FIX pilots i fought have my full respect.
And I never saw you in a fight, ever... that means you never do anything!
BTW - you are an ASCI member, that, simply by default makes you unworthy of a reply by any decent organization in EVE so if you are going to talk with someone it'll have to be someone toying with you. No one takes ASCI seriously, never has since you put all your eggs in a Ginger Magician basket and called it "the truth."
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Thorval
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:01:00 -
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I am glad I started this thread...If nothing else it will show people the game mechanics around wars
Very difficult for us to kill your miners,traders and npc hunters as you dont have any.
The driving attitudes of Celes CEO and officers is also available to their members who somehow think they are in some glorious crusade when it looks more like an inquisition and witch hunt.
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Why does Celestial Apocalypse claim to be permanent enemies of Arcane Technologies???
Another case of personal vendetta by the Celes Commander??
Stay tuned for more interviews with people that actually know wtf is going on. d8)
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Renox
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thorval
Why does Celestial Apocalypse claim to be permanent enemies of Arcane Technologies???
Another case of personal vendetta by the Celes Commander??
This one is easy and has been stated before. They simply ****ed us off when we were at war with them by behaving completely inappropriate for a game. For that reason they will remain KOS even if they started giving darth sheep.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.02.27 05:10:00 -
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Yeah... trying to counteract login tricks and "we killed a loner, OMG RUN AND LOG!!!!" gangs... Can barely believe the insolence myself. 
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.02.27 08:54:00 -
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look at it this way Celes folks, if you become a real problem to Stain someday then XF will war dec you too. then you'd have what you want, more targets.
Celes use to be the good guys, but now they are just like everyone else looking for reasons to shoot. They don't war dec real pirate allaince, don't know why FOE, Imperium and the like aren't being shot at. then again maybe Celes didn't use to be the good guys and just had really good PR?
too bad too beucase it would be nice to have real anti-pirate corps :/ |
Renox
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Posted - 2005.02.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
look at it this way Celes folks, if you become a real problem to Stain someday then XF will war dec you too. then you'd have what you want, more targets.
Celes use to be the good guys, but now they are just like everyone else looking for reasons to shoot. They don't war dec real pirate allaince, don't know why FOE, Imperium and the like aren't being shot at. then again maybe Celes didn't use to be the good guys and just had really good PR?
too bad too beucase it would be nice to have real anti-pirate corps :/
FOE and Imperium (not sure on the latter as they are relatively new) are KOS, it just happens to be SE we are concentrating on at the moment
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The7thDwarf
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Posted - 2005.02.27 10:28:00 -
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If we are as you claim it to be (unimportant, evil, etc etc etc) then why post about it? if CELES isnt doing damage then why even ***** about it?
And CELES is a democracy, if a vendetta is held.. its not held by just one person but all of the corp... blaiming leadership is another poor attempt as somehow discrediting the corp. Sorry, its pathetic and useless. Now will these threads stop or will you find another reason to rationalize an "insignificant" war against your "miners"
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.02.27 11:39:00 -
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I was leading the celes gang in hedgp where the ATUK incident happened..... SE sent a lone ATUK BS ahead of their main fleet to bait the celes fleet... its very clear now... but wasnt at the time.... i honestly had no idea ATUK were with SE... But TBH it wouldnt have made much diff.... id still have called for the ATUK scorp to be killed....
talks with SE leaders were terrible, they would say one thing, and their members another.... they were basically taking the peesh... not something i like. it all could have been sorted if only they had shown some respect, they didnt, and it lead to the loss of a stupid ammount of SE ships.
the war will continue untill our demands are met, SE knows these...
SE also said they would not be paying for the celes members implants, as quote, 0.0 is dangerous and he should know the risks ...
d solo.
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.02.27 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tiwaz on 27/02/2005 11:47:10
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
look at it this way Celes folks, if you become a real problem to Stain someday then XF will war dec you too. then you'd have what you want, more targets.
Celes use to be the good guys, but now they are just like everyone else looking for reasons to shoot. They don't war dec real pirate allaince, don't know why FOE, Imperium and the like aren't being shot at. then again maybe Celes didn't use to be the good guys and just had really good PR?
too bad too beucase it would be nice to have real anti-pirate corps :/
The SE war have clearly removed our "good guy" image and its understandle why. Alot of SE's non-pvpers have been forced to change their way of playing this game. I however disagree on the anti-pirat stance on SE, working with the vile ATUK proves this. Looking at the tread where FIX ask for a withdraw from their space by SE, also makes it all to clear.
In regard to Xetic, then its all to clear after the talks, that we are also going to have a war soon, atleast if the stance of either my corp or the xetic alliance dont change. it only a matter of time before a xetic pilot will fire on us to defend a SE pilot.
CELES are still anti-pirat, and if the SE war wasent started, we would be fighting FOE or their likes. Fighting is afterall why we and alot others play this "sometimes" wonderfull game.
Tiwaz
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only we are Righteous.
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Thorval
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Posted - 2005.02.27 18:02:00 -
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Atuk seem to be honorable even as enemies...what was their crime against humanity that you claim ?
Also as far as FIX goes ask the Coalitiion of Free Stars how FIX Alliance came to be.
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.02.27 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 27/02/2005 11:47:10
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
look at it this way Celes folks, if you become a real problem to Stain someday then XF will war dec you too. then you'd have what you want, more targets.
Celes use to be the good guys, but now they are just like everyone else looking for reasons to shoot. They don't war dec real pirate allaince, don't know why FOE, Imperium and the like aren't being shot at. then again maybe Celes didn't use to be the good guys and just had really good PR?
too bad too beucase it would be nice to have real anti-pirate corps :/
The SE war have clearly removed our "good guy" image and its understandle why. Alot of SE's non-pvpers have been forced to change their way of playing this game. I however disagree on the anti-pirat stance on SE, working with the vile ATUK proves this. Looking at the tread where FIX ask for a withdraw from their space by SE, also makes it all to clear.
In regard to Xetic, then its all to clear after the talks, that we are also going to have a war soon, atleast if the stance of either my corp or the xetic alliance dont change. it only a matter of time before a xetic pilot will fire on us to defend a SE pilot.
CELES are still anti-pirat, and if the SE war wasent started, we would be fighting FOE or their likes. Fighting is afterall why we and alot others play this "sometimes" wonderfull game.
Tiwaz
Obviously if we are ganged with SE or see they need help we will help them. We have a MDP with them and at best we are neutral toward you. But I don't care either way. Its your PR. If attacking Stain and calling them pirates made you guys look dumb just wait and see what will happen to CELES's "anti-pirate" name if you declare on XETIC.
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.02.27 18:36:00 -
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If a war with Xetic means the death to us being "anti-pirat", then so be it.
Tiwaz
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only we are Righteous.
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ScoRpS
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Posted - 2005.02.27 19:17:00 -
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It will be a cold day in hell before i lose any respect for Celestial Apocolypse, They force self righteous alliances to re-examine their position in the public eye and bring it to the scum of Eve.
peace out..
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.02.27 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Thorval
Atuk seem to be honorable even as enemies...what was their crime against humanity that you claim ?
Also as far as FIX goes ask the Coalitiion of Free Stars how FIX Alliance came to be.
Bitter much? ATUK are NOT honorable. FIX corporations invented the CFS, so go as FIX where the CFS came from.
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Clay101
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Posted - 2005.02.27 21:36:00 -
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i want to know the REAL reason MASS left SE to attack Keiretsu and aid Foundation :)
not whining, just wondering, it is fun but very questionable
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.02.27 22:37:00 -
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Cause we wanted to Teh End!
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.02.28 00:32:00 -
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From my limited viewpoint, I see a conflict that has outlived the valid reasons for its unfortunate begining.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.02.28 01:24:00 -
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Well at the end of the day both sides are having fun.
I personally didnt have anything to do with what started it but its been lots of fun participating.
Stain know where we are if they wanna end it, and i dont think either side will ever agree on why it started.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.02.28 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
I was leading the celes gang in hedgp where the ATUK incident happened..... SE sent a lone ATUK BS ahead of their main fleet to bait the celes fleet... its very clear now... but wasnt at the time.... i honestly had no idea ATUK were with SE... But TBH it wouldnt have made much diff.... id still have called for the ATUK scorp to be killed....
talks with SE leaders were terrible, they would say one thing, and their members another.... they were basically taking the peesh... not something i like. it all could have been sorted if only they had shown some respect, they didnt, and it lead to the loss of a stupid ammount of SE ships.
the war will continue untill our demands are met, SE knows these...
SE also said they would not be paying for the celes members implants, as quote, 0.0 is dangerous and he should know the risks...
d solo.
You must be joking... if you're going to act like you're insane then why don't you accuse the CIA and FBI of working with Stain Empire too?
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.02.28 04:42:00 -
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O SNAP! the FKING CIA AND FBI WORKS FOR STAIN! ONOS!
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.02.28 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
O SNAP! the FKING CIA AND FBI WORKS FOR STAIN! ONOS!
That's Stain fubar then - everyone knows the Challenged Intelligence Agency and the Federal Bureau of Intimidation only support you until the mutual enemy is dealt with, then you become the enemy...
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.02.28 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: darth solo
I was leading the celes gang in hedgp where the ATUK incident happened..... SE sent a lone ATUK BS ahead of their main fleet to bait the celes fleet... its very clear now... but wasnt at the time.... i honestly had no idea ATUK were with SE... But TBH it wouldnt have made much diff.... id still have called for the ATUK scorp to be killed....
talks with SE leaders were terrible, they would say one thing, and their members another.... they were basically taking the peesh... not something i like. it all could have been sorted if only they had shown some respect, they didnt, and it lead to the loss of a stupid ammount of SE ships.
the war will continue untill our demands are met, SE knows these...
SE also said they would not be paying for the celes members implants, as quote, 0.0 is dangerous and he should know the risks...
d solo.
You must be joking... if you're going to act like you're insane then why don't you accuse the CIA and FBI of working with Stain Empire too?
urmm, i was there at the SE talks, were u?, i was there at the SE/atuk incident, were u?..
if answers to both questions were "no darth, i wasnt there", i accept ur apology, thanks.
This war will end when SE take some responsibilty for what they have done... they are totally refusing to meet any of our demands.. not acceptable.
d solo.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.02.28 13:00:00 -
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just as a funny number :P
up until this post SE have had 2700 losses to Celest.
i hope their arrogance tastes good.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.02.28 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tiwaz
If a war with Xetic means the death to us being "anti-pirat", then so be it.
Tiwaz
Well good to know you are so firm on your "anti-pirate" stance...
well whats one more group shooting at us? maybe you'll actually come into 0.0 and shoot at us (I hate flying to empire) with more than a few people. so Far FOE has been the only force to challange Xetic's hold on Xetic space (props FOE) and next time my probes will land us closer that 350k (i hope!!!). |
Val Amon
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Posted - 2005.02.28 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thorval
Atuk seem to be honorable even as enemies...what was their crime against humanity that you claim ?
They took over a conquerable station, shot at alliance personal of the alliance they were in. When asked to return the station to the alliance they responded with contempt and beligerance as if to say we're better than our whole alliance, getting them a sterotype that says isk > allies. So it wasn't against humanitiy just allies.
<- Not posting with an Alt.
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How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.02.28 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Tiwaz
If a war with Xetic means the death to us being "anti-pirat", then so be it.
Tiwaz
Well good to know you are so firm on your "anti-pirate" stance...
well whats one more group shooting at us? maybe you'll actually come into 0.0 and shoot at us (I hate flying to empire) with more than a few people. so Far FOE has been the only force to challange Xetic's hold on Xetic space (props FOE) and next time my probes will land us closer that 350k (i hope!!!).
ppl that say these silly words have much to learn about PVP in EVE..
empires the most dangerous area to PVP in EVE... enemy mingle in with the locals, fleets can hide and not be seen... everytime u shoot an enemy u are unsure if a gank squad is on the other side of the gate..
in 0.0 the map is your friend... fleets can be spotted 20 jumps away..
Im against a Xetic war, as i honestly think u will be a poor opponent, and i play EVE for the challenge, a challenge which the PVPer vets from SE give us. Xetic would be a poor substitute to what we are used to.
put ur isk where ur mouth is and follow ur MDT pact... untill then u know nothing. but id be happy to teach.
d solo.
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