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Tautut
The Union Of The Snake
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:18:00 -
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I'm not far from Jita atm and my region has a large number of bots running about.
I've clicked the new magic button and I'm tracking the bots to see if CCP actually do anything about it - so far, a couple of days & nothing. My associated petition is also still sitting in a pile unallocated. I'm ****ed off watching this happening right under my nose in high sec and I dread to think what it's like out in low sec atm.
The bots appear to be doing lvl 4s. They all have the same setup (Navy Raven with cruise & hobgoblin 1's).
What are the best ways of disrupting these operations that don't involve a sec hit?
I've managed to probe down mission sites and tried buzzing them in to a frigate but so far - I've not managed to get a bite.
[sorry for the fragmented nature of this message - my wife is in the background and she won't stop talking at me like a demented turkey]
The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
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Digital Messiah
Gallente
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:20:00 -
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I didn't think you got a security hit in low security? Only if you kill someone in high security.
 Quote:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Katharynne
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tautut
to see if CCP actually do anything about it - so far, a couple of days & nothing.
Of course there's always the possibility that they're not bots.
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Tautut
The Union Of The Snake
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Katharynne
Originally by: Tautut
to see if CCP actually do anything about it - so far, a couple of days & nothing.
Of course there's always the possibility that they're not bots.
Various characters all created around the same time (circa 4 months old)
They've jumped from n00b corp in to 1 or 2 man corps
Names show an element of the random (I know I can talk here)
Corp names are complete nonsense
No respond to chat / message or attempt at communication in local
In spite of being in separate corps (which insures against war decs) they all have exactly the same mission running setup
No amount of harassment will provoke a response of any kind
@Digital .. read again - this is in high sec.
The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
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Simplus Massive
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Posted - 2011.07.22 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah
I didn't think you got a security hit in low security? Only if you kill someone in high security.
Of course you get sechits in lowsec (depending on who you aggress). It's probably the single most attractive selling point. 
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.22 08:27:00 -
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try to ninja mission objective items - if you're lucky this will put them into a loop, if not they'll just abandon the mission.
kill triggers in missions like Blockade - they generally want to go cheap on fittings and will usually try to kill spawns one by one, if you are lucky they are unable to tank the whole mission at once. In the best case they will continue warping into the mission and then back out (because of low shield/capacitor) without having killed a single ship.
Again, easy for the operator to put in mechanisms like "if you warped into the mission > 5 times without finishing it, just abandon it" but most people will deal with problems like these only as they arise.
Maybe some kind of bumping strategy to prevent them from warping out?
if you suicide-gank them, kill the pod too - hurts your sec status a lot but they want to move as much functionality into their clone as possible (because they lose ships much more often than pods and because expensive fittings are just asking for trouble) and are likely to use a crystal set.
Check if ganking them is worth the trouble - but I would expect regular mission runners ships to be much better targets than the ship of a botter who cares about ISK efficiency.
Do they loot/salvage? try to find out if they dump their loot at the local station automatically and what prices they accept - maybe you can (only for the greater good ofc) rob them of some of their ill-gotten gains.
not a whole lot you can do - extremely unlikely you will get them to shoot you.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 10:28:00 -
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If they are using drone, loot a can to draw aggression from their drones and then you can gank them.
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Haruki Tekitsu
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Posted - 2011.07.22 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tautut
[sorry for the fragmented nature of this message - my wife is in the background and she won't stop talking at me like a demented turkey]
I know how you feel mate. Sorry its not topic related. just made me laugh loud with streaming eyes. Now the missus wants to know what Im laughing at.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.22 11:39:00 -
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I reported a bot over a year ago, it's still active.
Don't be fooled into thinking CCP actually care.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.22 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
If they are using drone, loot a can to draw aggression from their drones and then you can gank them.
This doesn't work, and I will pay you 500m if you can reproduce evidence with the current tranquility build that indicates otherwise.
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Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.07.22 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
If they are using drone, loot a can to draw aggression from their drones and then you can gank them.
This doesn't work, and I will pay you 500m if you can reproduce evidence with the current tranquility build that indicates otherwise.
It only works if the drones are on aggressive setting. Which I doubt any competent bot user will do.
BTW would u mind giving directions, locations and names? I could send some war decs coming their way..
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idea
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Posted - 2011.07.22 12:31:00 -
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I've been where you are.. seeing bots running around 20 hours a day with the same NPC kills per hour or about.. but mostly in nullsec and i have sent in petitions but CCP does not care.... and then why should you?
I think CCP already knows that 40% of the playerbase is bot driven to fund the ecconamy for the other 60% of the playerbase that spends money on plexes to fund what they do instead of farming since IMO CCP has compleatly destroyed the way of making isk within resonable amount of time..
A normal person with wages gets more out of the Hour by showing up at work, buying a plex and transforming it to isk than playing the most boring ways to make funds in any game created.
Conclusion if CCP would actually care about these bots they would lose about 40% of there subscribers and the other 60% would not get any money to buy and there they would lose another 30% or so...
So what is the solution? at least CCP does not know.
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Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.07.22 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: idea
I've been where you are.. seeing bots running around 20 hours a day with the same NPC kills per hour or about.. but mostly in nullsec and i have sent in petitions but CCP does not care.... and then why should you?
I think CCP already knows that 40% of the playerbase is bot driven to fund the ecconamy for the other 60% of the playerbase that spends money on plexes to fund what they do instead of farming since IMO CCP has compleatly destroyed the way of making isk within resonable amount of time..
A normal person with wages gets more out of the Hour by showing up at work, buying a plex and transforming it to isk than playing the most boring ways to make funds in any game created.
Conclusion if CCP would actually care about these bots they would lose about 40% of there subscribers and the other 60% would not get any money to buy and there they would lose another 30% or so...
So what is the solution? at least CCP does not know.
Wrong. If any of that is true, CCP needs to hold a golden ratio, bots devalue ISK, if ISK is too devalued CCP sells less PLEX, if ISK is to valuable then the same happens again.
As a player you can profit from this situation, unattended mission boats are juicy targets.
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.07.22 13:55:00 -
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Surprised no one mentioned this. You said they are in one and two man corps. Just war declare those corps. If they jump back to the NPC corp, you are at least making them lose 11% of their mission rewards, lol.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.22 14:33:00 -
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lol, i think you people are overrating what a bot can actually do.
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Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Tom Gerard
Caldari
Deadspace Depot
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Posted - 2011.07.22 14:45:00 -
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Many legacy games suffer from exploits that cannot be fixed. Everquest is plagued by botters but it is too old to update.
EVE has fallen into this category but check out Dust and Wod as they will be supported
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Shigeru Potatomoto
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Posted - 2011.07.22 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shigeru Potatomoto on 22/07/2011 15:16:16
Originally by: Simplus Massive
Of course you get sechits in lowsec (depending on who you aggress). It's probably the single most attractive selling point.
You mean the only selling point. And even that's kind of overrated now. Red used to mean "rawr I'm a scary pirate, fear me!" Now it means "Look, I can tank sentry guns and I'm not afraid to shoot pods and suicide gank! Also, I'm supported by carebear alts."
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.22 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto
Edited by: Shigeru Potatomoto on 22/07/2011 15:16:16
Originally by: Simplus Massive
Of course you get sechits in lowsec (depending on who you aggress). It's probably the single most attractive selling point.
You mean the only selling point. And even that's kind of overrated now. Red used to mean "rawr I'm a scary pirate, fear me!" Now it means "Look, I can tank sentry guns and I'm not afraid to shoot pods and suicide gank! Also, I'm supported by carebear alts."
And back then it was different how, exactly?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.22 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
If they are using drone, loot a can to draw aggression from their drones and then you can gank them.
This doesn't work, and I will pay you 500m if you can reproduce evidence with the current tranquility build that indicates otherwise.
It only works if the drones are on aggressive setting. Which I doubt any competent bot user will do.
BTW would u mind giving directions, locations and names? I could send some war decs coming their way..
*Buzzer*
Still wrong. Prove it or gtfo - This has been tested time and time again and it has been proven wrong, time and time again.
There is also a standing bounty by (I believe) tau cabalander (apologies for spelling) and proton power amounting to an additional 500m should you be able to prove this claim.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:18:00 -
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Many issues here first on the "does CCP care?" issue, awhile ago I had this exchange:
"Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 19:12:00
Originally by: Vincent AthenaCCP Sreegs, thanks for the posts.
There are a couple of question you may be able to answer now, before fanfest.
First, these are about those who use bots for in-game advantage, not for RMT.
Why, as a company, does CCP want to eliminate the accounts of those who use bots when doing so reduces CCP's income?
I ask because in many of the posts here it is stated that CCP likes the bots because they pay for a subscription (indirectly, via PLEX), and hence their elimination would hurt CCP's bottom line. (My answer: too many bots, game dies, CCP's bottom line takes BIG hit).
Has CCP ever perma-banned an account for botting? Again, not RMT, just botting. If so, did you delete their account and assets?
Has CCP ever removed the isk gained from botting from the game? Again, not RMT, just botting.
Has CCP ever perma-banned a PLAYER for botting? That is delete all their accounts, and not accept any future accounts from that player? (My guess is this is not technically possible, but I thought I'd ask.)
Thank you.
CCP Sreegs:
The first question is one I haven't FULLY researched but the general consensus is that removing bots actually increases CCP's income because we have more happy customers. The idea that we would want people to bot for $15 is a false one, though I could see why some people would leap to that conclusion.
We don't delete accounts. We have perma-banned a volume of accounts for botting, specifics I don't want to get into at the moment, in the past couple of months. Like in one shot, not the normal over time bans. There are normal bans that occur practically every day. Many of them permanent."
Next: There are "gold farms" in some countries where rooms of people play games for in-game money, to sell for real money. It would be expected that they would all play about the same way with the same fittings, and for long periods of time. The result is they look like bots, but are in fact not. RMT is a violation too, but all they got to do is amass the ISK until its all sold at one time, then the account is closed.
Then: I think CCP is getting swamped with bot reports, and a Dev mentioned in another thread that July is a big vacation month, so response may be slow.
Interfering with them: You can kill the ship or structure with the mission payload in it, then do not loot it. Let the bot loot the wreck you made, and you get rights to shoot.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:28:00 -
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Interfering with them: You can kill the ship or structure with the mission payload in it, then do not loot it. Let the bot loot the wreck you made, and you get rights to shoot.
Aha ?
Every time i invaded a mission, when i shot a ship,
the wreck still belonged to the mission runner.
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Forando
Interstellar Cowards
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tautut
What are the best ways of disrupting these operations that don't involve a sec hit?
Remote repping some of their targets is a pretty annoying way to disrupt their fun. If they are in Cruise missile fits, the small SCRAM frigates are great targets for this tactic, as it might even prove worthy for your blinking wallet.
This tactic also proves a good test, to see if they actually AFK'ing missions, or if the player just multibox.
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Thomas Turnpoint
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:54:00 -
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Is it an option to ninja their loot and such with a noctis? Let them clear the room and then make off with their not-so-hard earned isk?
If there's a good spread in the market with some of the loot/salvage items, set up a buy order at the station they are based at, let them sell you the loot, haul to a hub and maybe turn a profit.
Of course, both those activities are using the bots to your advantage, so you might want to make sure that CCP wouldn't consider you just as guilty.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.07.22 17:07:00 -
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One can't tractor yellow wrecks.
Even if you shoot a ship, it's still their wreck.
Rather try in a fast, agile ship.
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Sekhmet Neteret
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.22 17:54:00 -
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bump them out of the mission site and see what they do?
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.22 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Forando
Originally by: Tautut
What are the best ways of disrupting these operations that don't involve a sec hit?
Remote repping some of their targets is a pretty annoying way to disrupt their fun. If they are in Cruise missile fits, the small SCRAM frigates are great targets for this tactic, as it might even prove worthy for your blinking wallet.
This tactic also proves a good test, to see if they actually AFK'ing missions, or if the player just multibox.
Fly safe!
Confirming repping rats in highsec is a brillant idea.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.07.22 18:25:00 -
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Ok, I did not know that about shooting ships in mission space. So this time Ill put my interference method in the form of a question.
If you smart bomb missiles in high sec, does it trigger CONCORD? Im thinking you get a disco between the bot and its target, killing all of the bots missiles. Hard to do, but he will run out of missiles before killing the target. A human would just shift targets.
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Thomas Turnpoint
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Posted - 2011.07.22 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
One can't tractor yellow wrecks.
Even if you shoot a ship, it's still their wreck.
Rather try in a fast, agile ship.
Details details!
Shows how much I ninja. 
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idea
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Posted - 2011.07.22 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: idea
I've been where you are.. seeing bots running around 20 hours a day with the same NPC kills per hour or about.. but mostly in nullsec and i have sent in petitions but CCP does not care.... and then why should you?
I think CCP already knows that 40% of the playerbase is bot driven to fund the ecconamy for the other 60% of the playerbase that spends money on plexes to fund what they do instead of farming since IMO CCP has compleatly destroyed the way of making isk within resonable amount of time..
A normal person with wages gets more out of the Hour by showing up at work, buying a plex and transforming it to isk than playing the most boring ways to make funds in any game created.
Conclusion if CCP would actually care about these bots they would lose about 40% of there subscribers and the other 60% would not get any money to buy and there they would lose another 30% or so...
So what is the solution? at least CCP does not know.
Wrong. If any of that is true, CCP needs to hold a golden ratio, bots devalue ISK, if ISK is too devalued CCP sells less PLEX, if ISK is to valuable then the same happens again.
As a player you can profit from this situation, unattended mission boats are juicy targets.
Not wrong! ISK used to be alot more expensive.
I take it you have not seen the statistics of "player" drop when CCP finally decided to take out the most simple bots.. where the clicks where always the same (you know what i'm saying if you have half the brain of a normal wow player).
If CCP would care they would not have a "third strike ban" rule on botting, all they care about is more income.. like any company does.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.07.22 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena
Ok, I did not know that about shooting ships in mission space. So this time Ill put my interference method in the form of a question.
If you smart bomb missiles in high sec, does it trigger CONCORD? Im thinking you get a disco between the bot and its target, killing all of the bots missiles. Hard to do, but he will run out of missiles before killing the target. A human would just shift targets.
It takes quite some practise to smartbomb missiles.
You have to get the right timing and even account for lag.
Besides that ... if he uses drones, they'll pass you by.
If there's a ninja in there, he'll approach you.
If there's a cloaked guy in there, he'll approach you.
Nice idea, but way too dangerous.
If you want to deny mission runners their income,
simply shoot the ships faster than them !
They get the wrecks, but YOU get the bounty!
I was doing this in dodixie pretty successfully in a cane.
For some reason, i was faster than the runners most of the time
and many even thanked me for helping them.
That's what i got for trying to **** people off. ^^
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