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Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.24 11:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Booby Trap on 24/07/2011 11:23:08 I recently received an e mail offer for 5 days free gametime. Excited to see the whole WiS/Incarna stuff I log in. After 5 minutes in 'the room' it became clear that there is no gameplay, it is badly optimised and disable it. 2 minutes later I check out the NEX store and find the hilariously overpriced items that nobody else can even see. I will never pay cash for this stuff so NEX is pretty much useless for me. 5 minutes later I am in space and encounter bugs with the Overview and UI. I log off and decide to check out the Eve forums. After 40 minutes of reading nothing but complaints and various links to other gaming web sites that are in agreement with the players. Then I get to the leaked CCP e mail and internal document. I decide not to renew. Edit: It also took me 3 attempts to post this.
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.24 13:49:00 - [2] Originally by: Important Person [ Anyway they're still pretty cheap, as far as mmo cosmetic items go. I have to disagree. They are far from cheap and the gaming press said the same thing. Originally by: Important Person I can buy them all for zero real life dollars. Between PI and datacores I don't even have to play much to get them. That's another problem. New players don't have that sort of Isk and are therefore excluded. How will overpriced MT vanity items draw new players to Eve?
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.24 14:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Booby Trap on 24/07/2011 14:26:07 Originally by: Important Person Edited by: Important Person on 24/07/2011 14:07:43 Originally by: Booby Trap I have to disagree. They are far from cheap and the gaming press said the same thing. How will overpriced MT vanity items draw new players to Eve? Originally by: Important Person The gaming press ran around crying OMG $70 MONOCLE LOL . Yes, because the monocle does in fact cost $70. Originally by: Important Person Whoever said the MT items were designed for new players? MT items are for people who want to spend rl cash on overpriced items. Your counter to that was that some people have billions of isk so it doesn't matter if they are overpriced. I made the observation that new players don't have that amount of isk at their disposal. I thought it was relevant because the title of the thread is : INCARNA: NO NEW PLAYERS Do you think Incarna and MT has anything to attract new players? I don't.
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.24 14:34:00 - [4] Edited by: Booby Trap on 24/07/2011 14:35:09 Originally by: Important Person How about a $2000 spectral tiger for WoW? What the trading card that sold on E Bay after previouly been given away free by blizzard? That's a poor comparison. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/18/world-of-warcrafts-spectral-tiger-sells-for-2000/
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.24 17:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Important Person Originally by: Booby Trap Yes, because the monocle does in fact cost $70. Really? Please show me where I can pay $70 for a monocle. Must be on eve's website. Nope. Quote: MT items are for people who want to spend rl cash on overpriced items. Really? I thought they were quite obviously aimed at people who want to spend billions of isk on items. You know being VANITY items available from the NOBLE exchange. I don't know too many poor nobles, how bout you? Quote: I made the observation that new players don't have that amount of isk at their disposal. Maybe we could give all new players a free monocle, battleship and a billion isk. That would surely enrich the new player experience. I'm sure there are lots of new players who log in for the first time on their trial account and say, gosh I can't afford to buy that MT item, this game isn't for me, I didn't sign up to play spaceships. Quote: Do you think Incarna and MT has anything to attract new players? I don't. I think that Incarna will certainly attract new players. I don't believe MT should have any bearing on attracting and retaining new players. 1- It's called MT. You do know what the M stands for right? 2- You are correct, unless you have billions of Isk then the NEX items are not aimed at new players. If they are not aimed at new players then their target is people who want to spend rl cash for an overpriced itwm or older players. Thanks for agreeing with me AGAIN. 3- As the thread title is NO NEW PLAYERS then I think it is fair to comment that these items are beyond their reach. I never said new players should get BS or billions of Isk. 4- Yes, you are correct. An MT shop will not attract new players to the game. So why are you intent on bringing up MT all the time? 5- That's where we disagree. Incarna , as it stands, does nothing I don't care about CCP, Eve or the MT shop because I'm not reactivating my account. The reason I'm not re activating is because Incarna, as an expansion, offers nothing new. ps are you yet another Zinfadel alt because you've only been in game a few weeks and you seem to be an expert on MT and Incarna
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.24 19:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Important Person blah blah, Mt is great, Incarna is great, blah blah, it will attract new players 1- You are trolling right? A NEW PLAYER would have to buy plex with cash and convert them to isk. Not free. But according to you NEX items are for older players so therefore have zero bearing on a new players decision to subscribe. Despite this you still believe that NEX will bring new players to Eve. 2- Sorry for the confusion. I should have said MT items are for NEW PLAYERS who want to spend rl cash on overpriced virtual goods or older players with billions of Isk. Your 'friend' won't use his Isk to buy a Monocle before he buys a Palladin will he? So, no those are not the older players I'm talking about. 3- No, I'm saying that it won't help with their retention. First impressions count. 4- Again there seems to be some confusion. I asked how overpriced items will bring new players to Eve and you said 'it won't because it's not for them'. Which is pretty much agreeing with me. Also, my comment about you always bringing up MT is because you created an alt to defend the NEX and its pricing and have been making lots of pro MT posts. You created an alt to defend MT. It's cool if you think that the pricing in the NEX store is ok and think that Incarna and MT will bring NEW PLAYERS to Eve but It's been nearly a month since it was deployed and all the facts prove you wrong. Show me on the graph where these new players are.
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.25 11:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Important Person MT MT MT MT There you go again, repeating yourself over and over and rambling on and on about how great MT and NEX is. It's crap, it has no bearing on NEW PLAYER retention and isn't for NEW PLAYERS. It won't have any bearing on NEW subscriptions and no returning player will subscribe because of it. We are both agreed. So, Mr ignorant alt with lots of ill informed opinions but no balls. Why don't you learn to read a graph and show me where are the new players that you claim the awesome Incarna has brought to Eve? Or supply your own graph to prove me wrong. You are 100 % wrong, Incarna has failed. For some reason you ignore facts that don't support your own deluded views and instead throw up ill conceived comparisons and hypothetical situations to explain why Incarna, MT and NEX are great and that Incarna was a sucess. You are impervious to logic or reasoning and know less than nothing. You are in the minority. You won't even post with your main because your are scared to voice your lunatic opinions. That says a lot about what sort of player you are and what sort of person you are in real life.
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.25 16:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Booby Trap Edited by: Booby Trap on 24/07/2011 11:23:08 I recently received an e mail offer for 5 days free gametime. Excited to see the whole WiS/Incarna stuff I log in. After 5 minutes in 'the room' it became clear that there is no gameplay, it is badly optimised and disable it. 2 minutes later I check out the NEX store and find the hilariously overpriced items that nobody else can even see. I will never pay cash for this stuff so NEX is pretty much useless for me. 5 minutes later I am in space and encounter bugs with the Overview and UI. I log off and decide to check out the Eve forums. After 40 minutes of reading nothing but complaints and various links to other gaming web sites that are in agreement with the players. Then I get to the leaked CCP e mail and internal document. I decide not to renew. Edit: It also took me 3 attempts to post this.
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.25 21:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Sobaan Tuan Originally by: Booby Trap Originally by: Important Person blah blah, Mt is great, Incarna is great, blah blah, it will attract new players 1- You are trolling right? A NEW PLAYER would have to buy plex with cash and convert them to isk. Not free. But according to you NEX items are for older players so therefore have zero bearing on a new players decision to subscribe. Despite this you still believe that NEX will bring new players to Eve. 2- Sorry for the confusion. I should have said MT items are for NEW PLAYERS who want to spend rl cash on overpriced virtual goods or older players with billions of Isk. Your 'friend' won't use his Isk to buy a Monocle before he buys a Palladin will he? So, no those are not the older players I'm talking about. 3- No, I'm saying that it won't help with their retention. First impressions count. 4- Again there seems to be some confusion. I asked how overpriced items will bring new players to Eve and you said 'it won't because it's not for them'. Which is pretty much agreeing with me. Also, my comment about you always bringing up MT is because you created an alt to defend the NEX and its pricing and have been making lots of pro MT posts. You created an alt to defend MT. It's cool if you think that the pricing in the NEX store is ok and think that Incarna and MT will bring NEW PLAYERS to Eve but It's been nearly a month since it was deployed and all the facts prove you wrong. Show me on the graph where these new players are. you're blatantly wrong and ignorant Thanks for the feedback. I'm interested in the minority view that 'Incarna was a sucessful expansion'. The opinions of experts with vast experience like yourself are valid to me. Could you please elaborate on what parts of my post which, in your well informed opinion, are wrong and ignorant?
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.25 23:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Bringing in new players doesn't necessarily equate to increasing overall population. So by your logic: 5,000* existing customers leaving and 1,000* new players arriving is a success? You do realise that eve has a problem keeping new players right? It is a known fact. You are able to read the graph right? The graph which shows no rise in users online after the Incarna expansions? You can see the peaks in people on line after all the other expansions right? And the dip in numbers after Incarna? Maybe you should take off your sunglasses and take another look. * figures pulled straight out of my rectum.

Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.26 17:10:00 - [11] Try answering my questions rather than evading them with the use of bull** and mental gymnastics! What sort of company would agree with your claim that losing an amount of customers and gaining a lesser amount of customers is a sucess. Originally by:** Abriael VonRosen The fact that no real big dip is visible means that new players are indeed coming. There is still a dip and, unlike previous expansions, there is no big spike either. You can provide no proof that new players are here. Based on current data, your assumptions are wrong. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen And that's why Incarna exists. A poorly implemented and optimised Expansion will do nothing to attract new players. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen The dip in numbers after incarna is very small and can easily be chalked to the usual summer dip. It is a little early for the traditional summer dip. Please try reading the data herebefore making more statements based on your half arsed assumptions. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen find me a P2P game this old that's able to retain numbers as high as EVE, with this degree of stability, then we'll talk. Stop making ******ed comments, try reading and understanding the data, read CCPs acknowledgement that they are trying to fixthe CQ and accept that people are indeed having hardware issues, accept that people can no longer run multiple clients and that your experience of Incarna is not the same as everyone elses and that these issues affect a lot of paying customers. Or you could just carry on sticking your fingers in your ears shouting La LA LA LA INCARNA IS AWESOME!
Booby Trap	Posted - 2011.07.26 17:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen BULL**** CCP hire this guy.

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