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Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.23 21:48:00 - [1] post reserved ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
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Sylva d	Posted - 2011.07.23 22:59:00 - [4] there are only 300k acounts, so a max of 900k character IDs... what?
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Sylva d there are only 300k acounts, so a max of 900k character IDs... what? Careful, the word intelligence is in the business title. There is no way something so fundamental could have been mistaken. ______________________________
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:04:00 - [6] There are 300,000 ACTIVE accounts. The database also contains all characters on INACTIVE accounts (but not characters that have been deleted) ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
nickator	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:40:00 - [7] So at the very minimum there are about one million accounts with three characters apiece that no longer sub?
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:57:00 - [8] Approximately, yes. Remember that this includes all accounts over the entire history of EVE, all 8 years worth. Another demo; nickator, 72 of the 80 members in your corp are: - Alaren Planeswalker - freelancerAlpha 1 - Mathias II - Alcari - Galandrius Malkin - Maxtheminer - ALM9 - Grimbb - Mike639 - Apollo Elliot - grimpp - Mikey PooNanny - Ard Tirana - groover390 - MissingLInk56 - bigbh - hebborg - Morshon - BKnight3 - Hetland Rifter - nickator - Cannabinoid - HEWEIN BEAUX - o0steveo0o - Caroline90 - inm - Paua - ccborg - Iverelo - Pius Fabrica - ChaplainLemartes - Jared Wheeler - Rattuluss - Cheratone Kai - jawa rari - RED DOGG - darth Vito - Jhoh - Scylan - Dea Amore - Joel Arath - Skull Fokker - Derkendan - Kacophony - Snarflax - Devilmonkey - Kato Steel - SoloSulu - Devlone - Keka Ori - Sovrag - Dr Darky - Kyoteman - spartan885 - Dr Hoenheim - Lady Allessa - Velenti - Duma Valentine - Lakeperch - Vidi Angelus - Elhanna - Leperkahan - Winry Rokkuberu - EnvynLust - LordAries - Zetoh - Erland Merich - Lotat - Zombiee Monkey - FMUI Scientists - Marvthemarsh - zoomes I could also list 846 of the 1049 members in your alliance, but that might take too much space. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Johnathan Roark Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.07.24 00:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Johnathan Roark on 24/07/2011 00:20:46 Cool, but the only use I can see for it is figuring out the members of a corporation for an empire war. Also, I'm guessing ccp really likes you with your 3.7 million calls. I'm guessing your also scraping forums and killboards for characterIDs. POS-Tracker 3.0 Hosting
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 00:27:00 - [10] Yes, the main purpose of it as it stands is to find the members of a given corporation without having to sneak around spying in their home systems or infiltrating their corp. Future development is planned to introduce integrated kill stats, as well as other goodies. Now that the basis is here, it's easy to add on. Suggestions for improvements are welcome. CCP doesn't mind my calls (I've talked to them about it) because they generate no errors, they're all valid. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.07.24 00:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 23/07/2011 23:09:00 There are 300,000 ACTIVE accounts. The database also contains all characters on INACTIVE accounts (but not characters that have been deleted) Also, a bit of demonstration. Selene D'Celeste, the other 3 members of your corp are: - Devon D'Celeste - Monetary Sentinel - Vallyn D'Celeste Very nice. Also no offense meant, it was simply too good of a post to pass up. Well done on the data mining. ______________________________
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2011.07.24 02:46:00 - [12] Am I able to see what other characters are on someone's account based on their character name?
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 02:53:00 - [13] No, it does not show which characters are on the same account. A limited API key is required for that. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2011.07.24 03:07:00 - [14] What about characters from the same IP address?
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 03:15:00 - [15] To do that you would need to know which IP address users log in to the game from? Unfortunately, this is not data that is accessible from the API ;) My application does track your IP when you log into EVE Central Intelligence, but those accounts are not in any way correlated to in-game accounts. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Desmont McCallock	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:06:00 - [16] Guys, this is no mystery. Kronus managed to collected all that info by using the CharacterInfo call of the API. And this reminded me of the time we had API issues. P.S: I'm not accusing, as I can't prove anything.
spiked amarr Hysera.	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:23:00 - [17] I feel you should add Agency to your name. Just saying.
Callean Drevus Caldari Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity	Posted - 2011.07.24 10:50:00 - [18] Indeed, Agency would be needed to make it completely cool :) Besides that, it's funny, and it provides functionality I have missed a bit in the EVE interface, but I will never pay 15M per week for this. The point is, when it matters, this information is available, if I'm in a war, my enemies are red, there is no need to know their names, just that I have to kill them. Still, there might be others whom will use this much more. I'll wish you luck with your endeavours. --- "A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool." Chief Developer of EVE Marketeer.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 16:16:00 - [19] Good morning everyone! @Desmont: I use the CharacterInfo call to keep all the chars in the database updated. I'm not sure how you would use it to find characters in the first place, because characterIDs are a 64 bit value (18 quintillion possibilities?) and pretty sure the API would shut you down with that many error calls... @Spiked: I will petition CCP to add "Agency" to the corp name @Callean: I understand your point, as as I mentioned the price will change depending on user feedback. I feel that you might find this tool more useful once I've upgraded it to include further enhancements; I'm actually looking at partnering with someone who does recruitment background checks to integrate that functionality into the system, which could be very useful. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kaverus	Posted - 2011.07.24 16:22:00 - [20] this is pretty neat, free bump wish you could tell me who our spies are in my alliance, were at war with moris mehi and brick and razor alliance. but i figure that would be pretty hard (considering they are taking a butt kickin from our whole alliance of cascade imminent) anyways good job !!
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 16:48:00 - [21] I wish I could find your spies for you too ;) If anyone has ideas on improvements or additions to the service (that are reasonable/possible to implement), please post them here! I am also currently in-game if anyone has questions and would like to convo me. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.07.24 17:02:00 - [22] Actually, having tried this out now, I must say that aside from original content (does anyone else provide this?) you've presented a clean and simple interface. Very nice work indeed. I enjoy having my skepticism proved wrong once in a while =D ______________________________
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 17:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 24/07/2011 17:17:24 Thank you. I tried to keep the interface as simple and straight-forward as possible. To be honest, that was the easy part, and the frontend took me only a couple weeks to code. The real bastard was the backend; people think it's all easy, just a bunch of screenscraping apps with a simple API update once in a while. But the amount of code that's running at any given time is phenomenal, and I would like to point out for the bitter disbelievers out there that the characters are discovered through much more elegant ways than simple screen scraping or, as one guy mentioned, brute-forcing the CharacterInfo API. Partnerships and information sharing are the real key, as well as the "Submit Characters" function I built in where users can submit character names and receive account credit for ones that aren't already in the database. Just FYI everyone, we're up to 40 accounts created, 181 searches run, and 282 info sheets viewed within 16 hours of launch. EDIT: also, no, I don't think anyone else provides this. Some people build a small database for recruitment background checks, but I think that's about it. If I'm wrong, or anyone's interested in a service integration or an information sharing partnership, just let me know. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.24 18:06:00 - [24] NEW FEATURE "Exact search". Clicking this button instead of the "Intel Search" button will only return results where the entity's name or ticker is exactly equivalent to the search text you have typed in. This provides a blazing-fast search function if you know exactly who you're looking for! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Cassia Haidrion	Posted - 2011.07.24 20:18:00 - [25] haha thread less than 24 hours old and with 1400 hits. Must be nice, hanging around the frontpage on a Sunday ;) Very nice work, I must say. Clean, easy to use; I fed it a list of about 30 characters I had hanging around and apparently 2 of them weren't in the database so I got some sexy free account time. Think I might point this out to my alt's CEO...
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.25 20:17:00 - [26] 65 accounts, 321 searches, 533 info sheet views, 2307 alliances, 147245 corporations, 3706570 characters. Keep on rollin' baby. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.07.25 22:17:00 - [27] This is actually pretty cool. I love how occasionally someone will create some neat tool for this game. Great job and free bump.
kinky ho	Posted - 2011.07.25 22:42:00 - [28] i have 4 accounts and 3 toons on this one who are the other 2; prove ur self......... also to quote we have over 3.4 million ACTIVE and valid toons, your current success rate unless simpally made up is of around 70% of the people in a corp / alliance so by that extrapolation i come to the conclusion in the form of an equation: E.C.I = Bolocks / guesswork x random number generator / more guessing - 70.5% of lol to give you........... pritty much **** all usefull.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.25 23:07:00 - [29] Originally by: kinky ho i have 4 accounts and 3 toons on this one who are the other 2; prove ur self......... also to quote we have over 3.4 million ACTIVE and valid toons, your current success rate unless simpally made up is of around 70% of the people in a corp / alliance so by that extrapolation i come to the conclusion in the form of an equation: E.C.I = Bolocks / guesswork x random number generator / more guessing - 70.5% of lol to give you........... pritty much **** all usefull. It's so saddening that even understandable grammar is such an uncommon trait among today's youth. For shame. But, I'll give it a shot at figuring out what you just said. Which toons are on which account is something that can not be determined without the appropriate API key, and determining that is not the objective of E.C.I. or something that it claims to offer. I'm not sure who ever said that there are 3.4 million active toons; I stated that the ECI database has 3.7 million TOTAL toons, but that includes those on deactivated accounts. As explained in the first response to this thread, since there are approximately 300,000 active accounts (according to CCP) with max 3 toons each, then the total number of active toons can't exceed 900,000. So it is my conclusion that not only can you not write with any sense of coherence, you cannot perform basic arithmetic either. I fear that the next generation is screwed. In the words of Mark Ruffalo in an excellent film I recently watched, "man, you don't like it doc, take a walk". ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Humanoid 25368	Posted - 2011.07.26 05:55:00 - [30] Edited by: Humanoid 25368 on 26/07/2011 05:56:32 I feel that as this gets more popular, some enterprising people may begin doing a bit of killboard scraping themselves, to get names for free time. Originally by: Kronus Heilgar So it is my conclusion that not only can you not write with any sense of coherence, you cannot perform basic arithmetic either. lol @ that, and Originally by: Kronus Heilgar "man, you don't like it doc, take a walk" The Last Castle, good movie.
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.26 09:01:00 - [31] Edited by: Makhar on 26/07/2011 09:02:35 Nice tool. Can I suggest a 'submit' feature to allow users to submit new user ids / character names? If you were at war with someone and your tool provided 8/9 of the names, but you knew the names of the others, you might want to provide the other names to help others. People might not, but they might and I think they should be able to and it should be pretty easy to add that I think? Mak
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.26 10:39:00 - [32] Yes, this feature already exists. Click on your email address in the top right corner, then click "Submit Characters". For every character you submit that's not already in the database, you receive a credit in the form of free account time. There's also a link on the main page to the feature, with the tagline "Want free account time?"
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.26 10:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Yes, this feature already exists. Click on your email address in the top right corner, then click "Submit Characters". For every character you submit that's not already in the database, you receive a credit in the form of free account time. There's also a link on the main page to the feature, with the tagline "Want free account time?" Great, then perhaps put the link to submit more characters in a more obvious place? I completely missed it. Perhaps on the results page near where it says "X members (y known) - Add unknown members and get free account credits"
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.07.26 11:53:00 - [34] Tried, liked, will subscribe! Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Future development is planned to introduce integrated kill stats, as well as other goodies. Now that the basis is here, it's easy to add on. Suggestions for improvements are welcome. Scraping killmails from several (many?) boards would certainly be useful. You could aggregate them based on corps/alliances, and use this to show systems/regions a corp/ally is usually active in, ships they fly, known capital pilots, starbases, etc. Another interesting feature would be tracking pilots' history. This could be used to, for example, see past members of a corp.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.26 16:49:00 - [35] @ Makhar, thank you for the feedback. I put the link to it on the search page, but now I have added it to the corp and alliance results page as well. @ Abdiel, these are good ideas. The employment history one is already in motion; before I implement it though, I need more historical data (the records will only ever go back as far as July 20, 2011 since that is when I started storing that info). The records will probably not show employment that was less than 48 hours long (due to the refresh cycle time), but those ones shouldn't be too important anyways. Aggregating killmails has not yet been implemented, but it's in the top 5 list of things to implement. In regards to the reward time, I understand that it would feel low for a single character. However, if people do even just a little killboard scraping of their own, or steal a character list somewhere, or parse some local chat logs, they could easily come up with 40 or 50 previously unknown characters to submit (my own software finds approximately 500 new characters per day). So, it adds up pretty quick (yesterday one account holder submitted 40 new characters in a 20 minute window).
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.26 17:05:00 - [36] Have been playing some more with it submitting names and so on. Very impressed, I'm away for a week or so but will sub when I get back. Price does seem a little steep however at 520m per account per year. Perhaps a discount for subbing for a year at a time? At least, it is steep enough to make me want to code my own. Were it half that price I probably wouldn't bother and would just continue using yours. When I get back tho I will send cash for 6 months sub and use yours while I code my own, unless you decide to lower the price in the mean-time at the very least I think the price of a 6-month sub is worth it as a thank-you for the idea. Hadn't thought of doin this until now.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.26 17:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Makhar Price does seem a little steep however at 520m per account per year. Perhaps a discount for subbing for a year at a time? I like the discount idea. I'll look into adding a scaling bonus, depending on how large of a payment is done at once. In terms of base pricing, like I mention in the original post it's going to fluctuate depending on response. If a thousand people subscribe regularly, I have absolutely no problem lowering the price significantly. If only 100 subscribe, I'll have to keep it a bit higher to cover my costs. So tell your friends, the more that use it the better for everyone!
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.26 17:27:00 - [38] What costs? If you need hosting I'd be happy to provide hosting in exchange for a complimentary account. In terms of telling my friends, we'll see. If I decide not to code my own in direct competition then I might. Otherwise, I'd probably be better off waiting and telling them about mine
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.26 17:38:00 - [39] Ahh, costs, yes. Well, we have $20/month private server for the website and the character-gathering application (no shared servers here), and $20/month for a private database server (must be dedicated to database only, since it's handling a minimum of 100 queries per second. I would love to see what you might come up with of your own, I encourage the competition. After all, competition breeds innovation, right?
ShadowandLight Amarr Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.07.26 19:27:00 - [40] with some added features and maybe paying some people to provide you API's from various shady sources etc I think you are going to have an incredible product. I'd love to host it on surviveve.com if you ever needed help. 40m isk / per month might be too much, it might not be enough! Adjust the amount based on what people are willing to pay and how many users you want to deal with. ------- The new HQ for PVE in Eve Online. www.SurvivEve.com [email protected] [b]"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.26 20:03:00 - [41] Thank you Shadow, great to have the support of Test Alliance ;) Just had an idea, wondering what people think: what about including a "comments" section for each specific character, where account holders can post comments about that char? e.g. if character A is involved in a corp theft, an account holder can post that under character A's comments section. It would offer a simplified way for employers to share info about characters with each other. This has a huge risk of trolling though; to post, you would need to register an API key with your account so you would post from a specific character (removal of anonymity would help a little with the trolling). Perhaps a better idea would be a "flagging" system, where characters could be flagged for pirating, corp theft, blue-on-blue attacks, etc., and flagging counts would show up on the characters profile. Thoughts? ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.27 08:55:00 - [42] Nice server setup, should make for a speedy service :) I'd be interested to know where you're getting dedicated servers for $20 a month tho, care to share (or maybe they have a referral scheme that gets you something?) I'm paying double that at the moment for my servers. As for comments, it would be a nice feature, but as you say - open to abuse, as would tagging. If you do tagging there'd need to be a way for people to dispute malicious tagging. Either way you'd need moderators, which adds an overhead. If I do create my own it will be a little way off and might not be made public, we'll see. For now I'll use yours and see how we go :-) -- High & low sec mining corp - Now Recruiting!
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.27 18:36:00 - [43] Yeah, I have a nice little network of referrals/discounts set up that helps out a fair bit ;) Morning stats: 96 accounts, 516 searches, 841 info sheet views, 2281 alliances, 147459 corps, 3708034 characters I did a little tweak to the beta testing program, now instead of expiring at a certain time, every new account begins with 6 hours free account time. This will probably remain this way even after the beta ends. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.28 02:22:00 - [44] Currently sitting at 99 accounts! Next person to sign up will receive 1 year free account time! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.28 09:14:00 - [45] A few more feature suggestions for ya :-) Subscribe to player/corp/alliance opt to receive e-mail notification to changes to member lists of corps/alliances or corp change for a character. intel links each player/corp/alliance profile could have links to battleclinic and/or eve-kill public killboards and to eve-search and perhaps to their eve-gate profile to assist with intel-gathering. corps and alliances could be linked to their dotlan maps profile, etc.. historical data on player profiles show a list of known former corps. it wouldn't build a full employment history but perhaps over time would be close. on corp/alliance profiles you could have lists of former members perhaps? -- High & low sec mining corp - Now Recruiting!
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.28 16:20:00 - [46] Interesting. The intel links and employment records / former members lists are quite simple to implement, I'll get on that ASAP. The subscription is a bit trickier, but I'll look into it. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Cassia Haidrion	Posted - 2011.07.29 01:53:00 - [47] This is a lot of free bumps from Makhar. I think he has a thing for mysterious bald men.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.07.29 08:47:00 - [48] Incredible idea. Great implementation. I applaud your efforts, sir. My only complaint is that I cannot view my search results and submit new characters at the same time. Being able to do so would mean I'd be able to cross reference your results with my own lists, which would be great. -------------------- WTS forums directions and common sense Google searches cost extra, people! I understand it's difficult for you, though, so I may discount it if you prove mentally deficient
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.07.30 00:10:00 - [49] Wow, high praise! I do what I can (blushing) Don't worry about cross referencing your lists, Just input the whole thing and it will tell you which are already in the database and which are not. Wait a week or so, and hopefully I'll have the CSV file upload feature set up, which should make it easier for you. Just FYI, any character that is submitted and does not exist in the database should start appearing in search results within 10 minutes. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Mella Elcus	Posted - 2011.07.30 01:47:00 - [50] So you're one of those who have been hammering the api server with character ids from 0 to 18446744073709551616 forcing CCP to blacklist abusing IP's. And now you're making isk out of it too, good for you...
Ronen Osden Caldari Ronen's NEW And Improved Mining Services	Posted - 2011.07.30 01:59:00 - [51] I might register just to see if my characters are on there XD
Grutry Minmatar Eon Mining	Posted - 2011.07.30 02:20:00 - [52] Wow! Very nicely done. I will definitely be subbing very soon!
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.31 16:44:00 - [53] Hey there, another free bump from the guy who likes mysterious bald men (apparently) also, a quick bug rep.. tried submitting Chiang Kai-Shek and it called me a Jerk for submitting disallowed characters. I figured it doesn't like the hyphen - however this is a perfectly valid EVE character name (see https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Chiang%20Kai-Shek) -- High, low and null sec mining corp - Now Recruiting!
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.01 01:34:00 - [54] Whoops, forgot the hyphen. Will fix as soon as I get back home after the long weekend (currently busy wakeboarding, hot tubbing, drinking copious amounts of beer, etc.) @mella: awww muffin, don't be bitter! FYI the ONLY API calls I make are to update characters already in the DB and to verify names people submit. So stop your *****ing. Or should I call a waaa-mbulance? ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.08.01 01:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Makhar As for comments, it would be a nice feature, but as you say - open to abuse, as would tagging. If you do tagging there'd need to be a way for people to dispute malicious tagging. Either way you'd need moderators, which adds an overhead. The only real way to do this would be requiring an API, and preventing posts from say, NPC corp characters or 1-man corps. Then any comment would link back to the poster so people could research the source as easily as they can read their comments. Most of the filtering would just need to be spam filtering, which just means revoking that API's ability to post. A report mechanism can let others bring anything else questionable to your attention. Of course, you have to decide if this is a useful feature or not =) It would be like a public EVE Character Info 'notes' section. ______________________________
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.01 21:03:00 - [56] Ok, so here's the plan. I'm going to implement both flagging AND comments. Any account holder can register their characters by importing their API. They can then post comments on any character, corporation, or alliance info sheet, but the post must be made using one of the characters they have imported. Comments can be flagged as spam by other account holders, and any account that receives too many spam flags will be highlighted for review by yours truly. Flagging will work on an upvote/downvote system. There will be different categories, such as trustworthiness and PvP prowess for characters and ones such as "recruit-friendliness" for corps. Both flagging and comments will be restricted to a certain number per day or per hour to prevent auto spamming. Ideas for flagging categories would be highly appreciated! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Ammzi	Posted - 2011.08.01 22:03:00 - [57] I love it, I just love it! Haven't used it yet, but definitely will. Here is an idea: Would it be possible to use your website through in-game browser to add the entire LOCAL population to your database and cross-reference, thereby extending your massive database even more?
Desireee Caldari ForumPost'r'Us	Posted - 2011.08.02 00:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Good morning everyone! @Desmont: I use the CharacterInfo call to keep all the chars in the database updated. I'm not sure how you would use it to find characters in the first place, because characterIDs are a 64 bit value (18 quintillion possibilities?) and pretty sure the API would shut you down with that many error calls... Allow me.. http://cl.ly/0G2A0J2F3X1s2w0V3x0S/pilots.zip almost 1 million pilot names and their external id.. Have fun //Desiree Proud Member of ForumPost'r'Us
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.02 00:44:00 - [59] Lol, YOU were the one hammering the API and getting CCP's panties in a knot? Respect ;) The problem I forsee with these is that many of them will be ID's of characters that have been deleted (since the CharacterInfo call shows info for deleted chars as well). I'll build an app to start parsing through them though an add the valid ones. Thanks mate! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.02 04:43:00 - [60] Desireee's names have been imported, 221,000 of which were previously unknown. This has given ECI a huge boost in percentage of known characters! Desireee, if you want me to hook you up with an account with 42 years of subscription (equivalent as if you had entered them yourself), just let me know ;) ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Humanoid 25368	Posted - 2011.08.02 22:32:00 - [61] Ohhh, nice story on the login page by ISD. How'd you wrangle that one up?
Dane Stork	Posted - 2011.08.03 04:51:00 - [62] not sure if this has been asked yet but using this and information for websites that they log in to, could you find spies but saying bob and same both log in from the same IP and yet bob is in alliance a and sam is in alliance b so these two accounts could be a spy in you corp. depending on the datamining tech your using this should not beto hard to do, there goes a nice anti spi system. maybe there could be other ways to create anti spy system but I am not sharing all my ideas
Caviar Liberta Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2011.08.03 07:46:00 - [63] I can just see it now, E.C.I. leads to the formation of the C.E.I or Counter Eve Intelligence. Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable,that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights
Chevalleis The Legendary Conquest	Posted - 2011.08.03 11:21:00 - [64] Nice service! Might be using it myself.
Enilonee	Posted - 2011.08.03 13:33:00 - [65] I'd rather pay per query, than for a usage period. You may want to consider implementing such a payment option. All in all an amazing idea! Your site even found one of my alts, which did not ever appear on any killboard or post on the official forums... Seems he was in that data package on page 2...
Shadow Breau	Posted - 2011.08.03 15:57:00 - [66] Edited by: Shadow Breau on 03/08/2011 15:58:36 Ran out my free time far too soon, how do I pay you for further usage? And can you add known POS locations by corp?
Jita Price checking	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:13:00 - [67] nice service totally nice. will not use it much since im a carebear but still nice. Though 1 point of respect. your system found 2 alts i made who i totally forgot about. one i made 6 month ago and 1 i made 3 years ago...
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:08:00 - [68] Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 03/08/2011 21:09:32 Wow. 200 new accounts in less than 24 hours. Thank you ISD. Mmmkay let's answer some questions. Originally by: Dane Stork not sure if this has been asked yet but using this and information for websites that they log in to, could you find spies but saying bob and same both log in from the same IP and yet bob is in alliance a and sam is in alliance b so these two accounts could be a spy in you corp. depending on the datamining tech your using this should not beto hard to do, there goes a nice anti spi system. maybe there could be other ways to create anti spy system but I am not sharing all my ideas It's a fine line to walk between providing information to users, and scaring users away because they think signing up will destroy their anonymity. As the system stands now, creating an E.C.I. account will in NO WAY contribute information to the E.C.I. database, and I'd like to keep it that way. However, we will strive to continue finding new sources and types of information to provide. Originally by: Enilonee I'd rather pay per query, than for a usage period. You may want to consider implementing such a payment option. When I designed the framework of the software, I had this idea in mind and built it so that it would be an optional feature in the future. It would work so that depending on the "reason" you type in your payment, it would either add subscription time or funds to your "account". When you view an info sheet (NOT when you search), if your subscription is valid it just uses that, but if not then it deducts funds from your account. Originally by: Shadow Breau Ran out my free time far too soon, how do I pay you for further usage? When you log in and your subscription is expired, it takes you directly to the "account details" page. That page contains information on how to pay. In summary, send funds to EVE Central Intelligence (ECINT, CEO is "Intel Admin") with the reason specified on that page. The page also shows what the minimum payment is (currently set to 10mil ISK). Originally by: Shadow Breau And can you add known POS locations by corp? This is not currently a feature. I thought about adding it, but decided against it for now due to the fact that no one will maintain it (if a POS is destroyed or moved, who removes the listing from that corp's page?). Originally by: Jita Price checking nice service totally nice. will not use it much since im a carebear but still nice. Even if you don't fight, if you ever recruit for your corporation or want to know if you can trust someone for a sale or something, the upcoming "comments" and "flagging" features could be very useful for you. Any other questions, just post here! AMA ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Doctor Wellington Yueh	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:11:00 - [69] Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:12:28 Intelbears will never find my main.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:27:00 - [70] A bit late, but grats on the ISD article. ______________________________
Brenda Hakuli	Posted - 2011.08.04 00:45:00 - [71] Originally by: Doctor Wellington Yueh Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:30:10 Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:24:16 I don't like this. Half the fun was searching battle clinic, the forums, cov gate camps in home systems etc. for intelligence information. This has the potential for abuse. In a game called Everybody vs Everybody you will never remove corporate spies and the like. People should do the intel gathering themselves, or pay people in game to do it, not by using API. How are you getting all these API btw? New term.. Intelbear Edit: Even though I don't like it, good work nonetheless. I can tell you took some time. Fly safe. o/ Might want to read the whole thread first. He has no API's other then those that will submit theirs to use the up coming comments feature. And he says he's only using them to track the comments and prevent abuse. What he has are Character ID's which can be scrapped from KB sites and other EVE related sites that track users.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.04 00:48:00 - [72] ALL RIGHT EVERYONE, I need some input here. These are the proposed categories that account holders can upvote/downvote for characters, corps, and alliances: Characters - *Trustworthiness:* Honours agreements, doesn't fire blue-on-blue, etc. - *Law-Abiding:* Doesn't pirate and kill non-flashies - *PvP Skill:* Skilled at blowing other people up - *Fleet Leadership:* Skilled at leading others into combat - *Corp Loyalty:* Doesn't steal from corp, is not a spy, etc. - *Corp Dedication:* Participates regularly in operations/hunts Corporations - *Leadership:* CEO, directors, and officers provide strong leadership for members - *Organization:* Well maintained POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc. - *Activeness:* Regularly runs opperations/hunts/events - *Recruit Friendliness:* Supports new recruits through opportunities for learning and growth - *Supply Program:* Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost - *Buyback Program:* Offers members good rates on ore/salvage Alliances - *Leadership:* Strong alliance leadership that unites the corporations in peacetime and in battle - *Organization:* Well maintained outposts, POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc. - *Activeness:* Regularly runs multi-corp opperations/battles/events - *Support:* Member corps support each other through good and bad - *Sovereignty:* Owns and develops systems. - *Supply Program:* Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost Any suggestions on changes/improvements are highly appreciated. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Psyrelle Caldari Coalition Of Gentlemen.	Posted - 2011.08.04 02:52:00 - [73] ill answear inside the quote with bold italic and underline text to make it much easier ^_^ Originally by: Kronus Heilgar ALL RIGHT EVERYONE, I need some input here. These are the proposed categories that account holders can upvote/downvote for characters, corps, and alliances: Characters Well basicly all of these is important. and would be something i as a ceo gladly would pay too see. the most important as a industry based corp will most likely be trustworthiness. - *Trustworthiness:* Honours agreements, doesn't fire blue-on-blue, etc. - *Law-Abiding:* Doesn't pirate and kill non-flashies - *PvP Skill:* Skilled at blowing other people up - *Fleet Leadership:* Skilled at leading others into combat - *Corp Loyalty:* Doesn't steal from corp, is not a spy, etc. - *Corp Dedication:* Participates regularly in operations/hunts Corporations This session is not so important. well its important but i think this site will primarily be used to sniff out spy's and future rekruits. This will mostly only be used for rekruitment info for those who plan to change corp or who is without corp who i mean would not be using this tool for it. - *Leadership:* CEO, directors, and officers provide strong leadership for members - *Organization:* Well maintained POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc. - *Activeness:* Regularly runs opperations/hunts/events - *Recruit Friendliness:* Supports new recruits through opportunities for learning and growth - *Supply Program:* Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost - *Buyback Program:* Offers members good rates on ore/salvage Alliances No input - *Leadership:* Strong alliance leadership that unites the corporations in peacetime and in battle - *Organization:* Well maintained outposts, POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc. - *Activeness:* Regularly runs multi-corp opperations/battles/events - *Support:* Member corps support each other through good and bad - *Sovereignty:* Owns and develops systems. - *Supply Program:* Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost Any suggestions on changes/improvements are highly appreciated. Concentrate more on toons than corps and alliances. include a link on each toon that links to all corps he has been in and a link to that corps page. Add pay per use or change it to online time instead of real time cause my free time will be used up too quickly. also about the system to add toons what can you do to stop people who makes a bot to create hundres of trial accounts then adds 3 toons to each and add them to your database to get lots of lots of usage time?
Mr Majestyk Combat and Recon The Last Chancers.	Posted - 2011.08.04 03:45:00 - [74] I would like to have a PvE (aka Incursions) related voting categories. As an incursion runner it would be good to know that the logi you are flying with is fail or that the FC is great. Maybe Characters Incursion FC - Good incursion FC Incursion Logi - Good incursion logi Incursion DPS - .... Also something that would be interesting is allow generation of a temporary link for alliance sharing. I know this would reduce the amount of individual account interest in the game but being able to link a search result to friendlys for say 12 hours would be great. This could be a premium service, say it costs X Million to create a temporary link of the current page that non account holders can view for 12 hours.
Wizlawz	Posted - 2011.08.04 03:53:00 - [75] Nice!, so basically this is much along the same lines as Agents with Character Locating? is this going to work for Bounty Hunters then, i would assume? so do i understand it will also give Chracter Locations then?
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.04 06:37:00 - [76] Ladies and gentlemen, it is my absolute pleasure (orgasmic, almost) to introduce the new FLAGGING system! Every character, corporation, and alliance has an up/down voting system for specific categories. Every account with at least 2 days subscription remaining may vote either up or down for any given category on any given entity (char, corp, or alliance). The 2 day requirement is to prevent people from creating 50 different email addresses, 50 different ECI accounts, and then spamming the voting system. Additional categories can be added as needed, or the existing ones can be modified. Now, to answer some questions: Originally by: Mr Majestyk I would like to have a PvE (aka Incursions) related voting categories. As an incursion runner it would be good to know that the logi you are flying with is fail or that the FC is great. Maybe Characters Incursion FC - Good incursion FC Incursion Logi - Good incursion logi Incursion DPS - .... Also something that would be interesting is allow generation of a temporary link for alliance sharing. I know this would reduce the amount of individual account interest in the game but being able to link a search result to friendlys for say 12 hours would be great. This could be a premium service, say it costs X Million to create a temporary link of the current page that non account holders can view for 12 hours. Good ideas for categories, these will be adjusted as I get some feedback on the existing ones. The temporary public link idea is excellent, but I think I need to provide some more types of information for each character before it is viable. Also, I will need to implement the "pay-per-use" system first so that each account can have a balance. Originally by: Wizlawz Edited by: Wizlawz on 04/08/2011 04:01:12 Nice!, so basically this is much along the same lines as Agents with Character Locating? is this going to work for Bounty Hunters then, i would assume? so do i understand it will also give Chracter Locations then? will this also give info on what characters are inactive for say like POS take overs (or the like) and where to infiltrate such POS so to speak? will this be able to [now or in the future] be useful to Scanners?; as in when scanning ships for Wars (or just plain Scanning) will it be able to link the ID #'s{in the probe scan screen} to the Characters Ship to be of Tactical use? Unfortunately, no, this service as it stands now does not provide any location information. But I will not go so far as to say it never will; anything is possible. Once I have upgraded the system to include kill stats and employment records, I'll add something that gives a "probability" that the character is inactive. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Mr Majestyk Combat and Recon The Last Chancers.	Posted - 2011.08.04 07:33:00 - [77] Originally by: Wizlawz Edited by: Wizlawz on 04/08/2011 04:01:12 Nice!, so basically this is much along the same lines as Agents with Character Locating? is this going to work for Bounty Hunters then, i would assume? so do i understand it will also give Chracter Locations then? will this also give info on what characters are inactive for say like POS take overs (or the like) and where to infiltrate such POS so to speak? will this be able to [now or in the future] be useful to Scanners?; as in when scanning ships for Wars (or just plain Scanning) will it be able to link the ID #'s{in the probe scan screen} to the Characters Ship to be of Tactical use? What i think would be kind of cool is to let people post locator agent reports on individuals. Say a corporation wants locator agent reports on all the characters in a corporation. They then can offer to pay X isk per update every Y hours. Would probably require either full API, for email checks, or lots of trust. This system really has potential. Great job Kronus.
Trustworthy Tourguide	Posted - 2011.08.04 14:45:00 - [78] Ok I registered , but it keeps telling me my email isn't registered o.O
Xenuria Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.04 17:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 23/07/2011 23:09:00 There are 300,000 ACTIVE accounts. The database also contains all characters on INACTIVE accounts (but not characters that have been deleted) Also, a bit of demonstration. Selene D'Celeste, the other 3 members of your corp are: - Devon D'Celeste - Monetary Sentinel - Vallyn D'Celeste So you either had help from CCP... or You spent a few weeks Data-mining the Eve Servers to gather all this information. Congrats are in order because as far as I can tell you did something that is a bannable offense and not only got away with it but also got a news article advertising it. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:27:00 - [80] Lol you crazy bastard. Nothing's being hacked or intercepted, the only CCP server that I do anything with at all is the API, and I'm pretty sure that querying the API is not agains TOS or EULA. Nothing private or confidential is gathered in any way, it's just a compilation of data that's PUBLICLY available On the Internet. Grow up. Hack. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Xenuria Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:17:00 - [81] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Lol you crazy bastard. Nothing's being hacked or intercepted, the only CCP server that I do anything with at all is the API, and I'm pretty sure that querying the API is not agains TOS or EULA. Nothing private or confidential is gathered in any way, it's just a compilation of data that's PUBLICLY available On the Internet. Grow up. Hack. go ahead by all means.. Back Peddle like you have never Back Peddled before. The deed is done and you will be held accountable. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
Synthmilk Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:19:00 - [82] Originally by: Xenuria You spent a few weeks Data-mining the Eve Servers to gather all this information. That, is what is known as a claim. However, you do not provide supporting evidence, or even conjecture. Your quotes from the TOS and EULA apply only to player interactions with CCP owned servers and services, and Kronus Heilgar has clearly stated that his data is gathered from non-CCP sources, publicly available on the internet. In addition, he has clearly stated that the only interactions his service has with CCP servers is through the EVE API service. Gathering characterID's from non-CCP sources is not governed by the EULA or TOS, and would only be illegal or in breach of a TOS if Kronus Heilgar bypassed security and privacy barriers to aquire his data from his sources, but again, even if he did that, he would not be in breach of the EVE Online TOS or EULA. So, I kindly request you provide evidence to back up your claim, as I am positive everyone who has, and may, use Kronus Heilgar's service would like to know if they are putting themselves at risk by using a potentially forbidden service. I think CCP would also like to see your evidence, seeing as how they put a story about this service on their front page.
Xenuria Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Synthmilk Originally by: Xenuria You spent a few weeks Data-mining the Eve Servers to gather all this information. That, is what is known as a claim. However, you do not provide supporting evidence, or even conjecture. Your quotes from the TOS and EULA apply only to player interactions with CCP owned servers and services, and Kronus Heilgar has clearly stated that his data is gathered from non-CCP sources, publicly available on the internet. In addition, he has clearly stated that the only interactions his service has with CCP servers is through the EVE API service. Gathering characterID's from non-CCP sources is not governed by the EULA or TOS, and would only be illegal or in breach of a TOS if Kronus Heilgar bypassed security and privacy barriers to aquire his data from his sources, but again, even if he did that, he would not be in breach of the EVE Online TOS or EULA. So, I kindly request you provide evidence to back up your claim, as I am positive everyone who has, and may, use Kronus Heilgar's service would like to know if they are putting themselves at risk by using a potentially forbidden service. I think CCP would also like to see your evidence, seeing as how they put a story about this service on their front page. So are you trying to say that every single person in eve, or close to it (even inactive) have listed their partial or full api and character ID on some website somewhere for the OP to find? Just stop and say that out loud and ask yourself if that sounds silly. Go ahead. Do it. On a much smaller scale what OP did would be possible legitimatly. However on this scale its not that its simply improbable. Mathamatically it is impossible. Without of course data mining the eve client. The Russians did it and the Chinese also did it. Go looking hard enough and you will find a wide number of tools the OP could have used to mine the data directly from tranq. With a few separate people doing it he could probably have all the data he has now and be more or less ionconspicious about it in less then a month. What is up for discussion is not what illegal tool he used or how long it took him. What is up for discussion is how the flying funkerwomple did he get away with it. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.05 02:03:00 - [84] Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 05/08/2011 02:04:16 Originally by: Xenuria Edited by: Xenuria on 05/08/2011 01:47:58 So are you trying to say that every single person in eve, or close to it (even inactive) have listed their partial or full api and character ID on some website somewhere for the OP to find? Holy crapknuckles. Stupidity has infected the forums!!! Quick, call the CDC. Step 1: I look at forum. If I look at the link that clicking on your photo takes me to, (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=bigshot&cid=1735645598) I see that little part that says "cid=1735645598". Now I know that your characterID is 1735645598. Step 2: I query the API server with this new knowledge. http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterInfo.xml.aspx?characterID=1735645598. This provides me with all the data I need to run E.C.I. Step 3: ?????? Step 4: Evolution leads to the extinction of stupid people. Profit!! If you'll kindly notice, nowhere in the above steps was there an API key required to gather data. Dur... EDIT: you know what, just keep it going. I hear this nagging sound, it sounds kinda like "free bump, free bump, free bump" ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Synthmilk Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.05 02:13:00 - [85] Originally by: Xenuria So are you trying to say that every single person in eve, or close to it (even inactive) have listed their partial or full api and character ID on some website somewhere for the OP to find? Nope, just saying it's extremely unlikely that CCP staff could have talked to Kronus Heilgar about his large number of API calls, and the system generating them, without having investigated how he gathered his characterID's. Not API keyes, he has said he does not gather API keyes from anywhere. So while from the layman's perspective it seems fishy that such a large amount of this kind of data is out there, the fact that this service has the CCP stamp of approval makes me unconcerned about it's methods. Evidence that my forum settings have been saved.
Xenuria Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.05 02:21:00 - [86] Originally by: Synthmilk Back Pedal Whats that? Are you back peddling? "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
Synthmilk Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.05 02:29:00 - [87] Edited by: Synthmilk on 05/08/2011 02:29:53 Originally by: Xenuria Whats that? Are you back peddling? Fail troll is fail? You asked a question and I answered it, and nothing of what I answered with contradicted anything I said previously. I acknowledged your position that the odds seem high from a layperson's perspective, and gave my reasoning for taking the position that the system in question is legit unless evidence is presented that says otherwise. If that's back peddling, then, yea, I guess I am Edited for neatness. Evidence that my forum settings have been saved.
Xenuria Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:47:00 - [88] Originally by: Synthmilk Edited by: Synthmilk on 05/08/2011 02:29:53 Originally by: Xenuria Whats that? Are you back peddling? Fail troll is fail? You asked a question and I answered it, and nothing of what I answered with contradicted anything I said previously. I acknowledged your position that the odds seem high from a layperson's perspective, and gave my reasoning for taking the position that the system in question is legit unless evidence is presented that says otherwise. If that's back peddling, then, yea, I guess I am Edited for neatness. Look whose calling who a troll. "Snythmilk"? Sounds like a techy Shotocon. Also your system is still ill gotten.. from a datamine. You just admitted that the IDs on the eve forum site were used to mine information. That in and of itself is against the rules. At this point your building my case for me. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
will valentine	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:18:00 - [89] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar If you'll kindly notice, nowhere in the above steps was there an API key required to gather data. Dur... Took all of 30 secs to work out how you farmed your data even before I got to p2. Just think it's a shame you allowed yourself to get trolled by the stupid into publishing your methods. And hope you've not devalued your service too much in doing so.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:50:00 - [90] Originally by: will valentine Originally by: Kronus Heilgar If you'll kindly notice, nowhere in the above steps was there an API key required to gather data. Dur... Took all of 30 secs to work out how you farmed your data even before I got to p2. Just think it's a shame you allowed yourself to get trolled by the stupid into publishing your methods. And hope you've not devalued your service too much in doing so. Haha, thank you for the concern but what I explained was pretty much public knowledge, and is only a very small part of the entire system. It's mostly the infrastructure I'm running that people pay for anyways. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Don Knots Gallente In Bacon We Trust	Posted - 2011.08.05 15:56:00 - [91] Edited by: Don Knots on 05/08/2011 15:58:06 Stupid spellcheck. Changing my words. Originally by: Xenuria "C. User Content The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content"). User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child **ographic or harmful to minors; or (iv) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information. You are in some serious my friend. Do you know how to read? The bit in red: LetÆs break down that nasty legal text, by stripping out everything in-between. Quote:** The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content"). User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information. Where does data-mining come into play with this? He hasnÆt actually æcommunicatedÆ any information by posting messages in chat rooms or bulletin boards or other user-to-user areas. Furthermore, what Chribba does every 15 minutes to power eve-search.com is really no different. Nor are GoogleÆs spiders. Please learn to read legal text and you will realize what youÆre talking about.
Bonkers2000 Caldari The Smurf's The Smurfs Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.05 17:38:00 - [92] Hey, i don't mean to rain on your parade but there is a way of doing this for free its called a corp search on evsco. killboards you literally click search type the corp in and click on corp members it also tells you kown associates IE: Remote reppers / out of corp faces showing up on killboards and its free...... its a good idea don't get me wrong but when there is already an easier method that this its kinda not needed but props for trying
Mr Majestyk Combat and Recon The Last Chancers.	Posted - 2011.08.05 20:26:00 - [93] Originally by: Bonkers2000 Hey, i don't mean to rain on your parade but there is a way of doing this for free its called a corp search on evsco. killboards you literally click search type the corp in and click on corp members it also tells you kown associates IE: Remote reppers / out of corp faces showing up on killboards and its free...... its a good idea don't get me wrong but when there is already an easier method that this its kinda not needed but props for trying Except killboards are incomplete. and don't provide all the data that this does. Plus I don't see this member list button.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.06 03:33:00 - [94] Originally by: Bonkers2000 Hey, i don't mean to rain on your parade but there is a way of doing this for free its called a corp search on evsco. killboards you literally click search type the corp in and click on corp members it also tells you kown associates IE: Remote reppers / out of corp faces showing up on killboards and its free...... its a good idea don't get me wrong but when there is already an easier method that this its kinda not needed but props for trying Obviously information is available on other sources. What I offer through my service is a central location that collects the data and keeps it completely up-to-date, while providing a simple and clean interface for accessing that data. It's all about convenience. One of the central, unique features that E.C.I. offers is the upvote/downvote system for each character, corporation, and alliance. That is a tool that will become hugely important to recruiters in the future, as more people contribute to the rating system. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Levija Saplina Supremacy Inc. Not Found.	Posted - 2011.08.06 07:30:00 - [95] I am yet to see a single character profile where known alts are mentioned. When I signed up for this, I thought this function would be interesting. But I have never come across it. Any plans for this ?
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.06 09:04:00 - [96] Originally by: Levija Saplina I am yet to see a single character profile where known alts are mentioned. When I signed up for this, I thought this function would be interesting. But I have never come across it. Any plans for this ? As mentioned in previous posts, knowing for certain which characters are alts is impossible without the use of an API key, and E.C.I. doesn't use API keys. Depending on the response to the upvote/downvote system I implemented (i.e. how much users participate in helping to vote), I can easily implement a system where users can "suggest" that two different chars are alts, and then it will show up the most-likely alts for each toon. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.07 00:16:00 - [97] Currently sitting at 481 accounts. The person who registers account #500 will receive 1 year free subscription time! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Snivach The Craniac Naloran Project	Posted - 2011.08.07 15:42:00 - [98] This has promise! 4,619 characters added
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.07 21:02:00 - [99] Thank you to everyone who has helped by submitting characters on the site for credit, or by sending me large files with tens of thousands of characters. Today I secured a very large and powerful source of characters, which should keep ECI up-to-date for the foreseeable future. As always, if there's anything in particular you would like to see on E.C.I., just post here and let me know! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Synthmilk Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.08 01:12:00 - [100] Originally by: Xenuria Look whose calling who a troll. "Snythmilk"? Sounds like a techy Shotocon. Also your system is still ill gotten.. from a datamine. You just admitted that the IDs on the eve forum site were used to mine information. That in and of itself is against the rules. At this point your building my case for me. Actually it's "Synthmilk" It is also not my system, I am simply a fan and potential user. The TOS does NOT prohibit communicating with the server and accepting it's response(s) (datamining), it does not even specify if there are or are not any limitations on what kind of software you can use to communicate with the System (in regards to the Forum, the EVE Online EULA limits the software you can use to communicate with the EVE Online server to the game client.) Using software to navigate CCP's webpages as a user would do, is allowed, and there is no prohibition against collecting the data transmitted to you, or using it so long as you are not gathering and/or distributing personal information without consent. A person's characterID, character name or character data, are not personal information, and as such can be used and distributed freely, as there is nothing stating otherwise in the TOS. So yea, if you still don't get it, I'll just have to hope that when this service never gets shut down by CCP, that perhaps someday you will come to accept that you were wrong. Naturally if this service does get shut down for TOS and/or EULA violations, I will be disappointed that it's creator lied about his methods, and will owe you an apology. Evidence that my forum settings have been saved.
Humanoid 25368	Posted - 2011.08.08 07:01:00 - [101] No! Wait, stop! Don't do it! Don't..... NOOOOOOOOO Awww, too late. You fed the troll.

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:24:00 - [102] Hi everybody, I just want to clear up any doubt about how the EULA and TOS applies to this sort of service. Following things are not OK, and may result in actions taken against your account: - Scraping of the API, creating massive amounts of errors due to invalid calls - Scraping of EVE Gate - Scraping data from the client through means that are in violation of the EULA As long as a service does not violate these, or any other parts of the EULA(Above are the most relevant), then the service is OK. So this service is not against the EULA at this point in time. Note that this does not mean we give this a stamp of approval, just that it is not in violation of the EULA. I hope that makes everything clear, -Stillman

Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:10:00 - [103] Originally by: CCP Stillman Following things are not OK, and may result in actions taken against your account: - Scraping of the API, creating massive amounts of errors due to invalid calls - Scraping of EVE Gate - Scraping data from the client through means that are in violation of the EULA Thank you for the clarification. I, as the developer, can state that: 1) Although it uses the API on a massive scale, it never does so "blindly", in a scraping fashion. Of about 4 million calls in a 20 hour period, on average 0 - 10 of them will generate errors (and the causes of those errors are removed so it doesn't happen again) 2) The service does not use or link to EVE Gate in any way, shape, or form 3) The service does not use or link to the EVE client in any way, shape, or form I can guarantee that E.C.I. will NEVER change to violate any of these conditions, and as such will never violate the EULA or TOS. ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
SHICAGO	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:42:00 - [104] Edited by: SHICAGO on 08/08/2011 20:42:27 I have a question: if all this information was taken off kb sites and eve-search, are you in violation of their terms of use? Or have you inappropriately reposted their information as your own? Does Chribba have anything to say about this "scraping"?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:24:00 - [105] As far as scraping eve-search goes, I'm fine with it until the point it does cause problems at which point packets will start to drop most likely. Same goes for eveboard tbh. @Stillman, scraping EVE Gate? You mean like profiles etc? All that info could be obtained via API already (almost) - but will Google not index Gate? Secure 3rd party service \| in-game 'Holy Veldspar' Now /w voice

Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.08 22:11:00 - [106] Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 08/08/2011 22:15:42 Omygah look everyone! Chribba posted on MY thread!! The dream of every aspiring 3rd party dev. Don't worry Chribba, I don't sc** your site. Out of curiosity though, how do you mirror the eve forums, do you just sc it? Also, do you have some sort of API for eve board? Scraping is SOOO last decade. EDIT: are you **ing kidding me? It filters the "r.a.p.e." in "scr.a.p.e." ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
SHICAGO	Posted - 2011.08.09 01:23:00 - [107] Originally by: Chribba Same goes for eveboard tbh. so this is where a lot of info is coming from. i get it now.
Tigerras Smash Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.09 02:26:00 - [108] So how long until you start charging corps/alliances to remove their information from your pages? And before you post; here's a list of all members of my corp: Tigerras

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.08.09 07:31:00 - [109] Originally by: Kronus Heilgar Omygah look everyone! Chribba posted on MY thread!! The dream of every aspiring 3rd party dev. Don't worry Chribba, I don't sc** your site. Out of curiosity though, how do you mirror the eve forums, do you just sc it? Also, do you have some sort of API for eve board? Scraping is SOOO last decade. EDIT: are you ing kidding me? It filters the "r.a.p.e." in "scr.a.p.e." No worries, any abuse would be noticed anyway so should be ok. And no I don't have any [eb] API that would allow others to pull info, there are some ideas in the works but not exactly what it will be since I'm more looking to have people visit [eb] for information rather than pulling it off-site. Indexing the forums is done by simply pulling the pages at the moment (old school), this after ofc detailing out best practice with CCP. /c Secure 3rd party service \| in-game 'Holy Veldspar**' Now /w voice

Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.09 16:14:00 - [110] Originally by: Tigerras So how long until you start charging corps/alliances to remove their information from your pages? And before you post; here's a list of all members of my corp: Tigerras 6 billion ISK, and I'll remove your corp/character for you. ... ... Not ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Cassia Haidrion	Posted - 2011.08.09 22:44:00 - [111] Originally by: Tigerras So how long until you start charging corps/alliances to remove their information from your pages? And before you post; here's a list of all members of my corp: Tigerras You dislike the service, so you post pointless stuff on it to bump it back up to the top? Ur sooooo smart!! Genius.
Greyfarth	Posted - 2011.08.10 14:47:00 - [112] Just used this yesterday, found 95% of the people in the corp I was looking for. I support this product and/or service.
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.12 01:03:00 - [113] Current stats: - 549 accounts - 2530 searches - 3858 info sheet views - 3949309 characters - 159260 corporations ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.13 17:35:00 - [114] Current stats: - 561 accounts - 2674 searches - 4015 info sheet views - 3951415 characters - 159503 corporations ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.14 17:56:00 - [115] Check out the new interview on http://eve.stratics.com/! As a side note, E.C.I. hit its first 1,000,000,000 ISK in revenue this morning! Its first successful month means that development will continue and E.C.I. will offer more services and functionality. Thank you all. o7 ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Drake Sanctrum EveTech Logistics Division	Posted - 2011.08.15 15:59:00 - [116] Well done. I like it.
Humanoid 25368	Posted - 2011.08.18 00:20:00 - [117] Edited by: Humanoid 25368 on 18/08/2011 00:20:36 when are you going to do employment history?
Johnathan Roark Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.08.18 01:13:00 - [118] Originally by: Humanoid 25368 Edited by: Humanoid 25368 on 18/08/2011 00:20:36 when are you going to do employment history? Its going to be in the api in about 2 weeks, why would he add it at this point? POS-Tracker 3.0 Hosting
Humanoid 25368	Posted - 2011.08.20 21:25:00 - [119] Hey don't be hatin', I'm not a programmer I don't know when the API's changing :S I am looking forward to it now though :)
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.23 20:29:00 - [120] Today's Stats: - 602 accounts - 3377 searches - 4995 info sheet views - 3958421 characters - 160719 corporations As a side note, some bugs were introduced in the last patch that caused payments from submitting characters to not show up properly. That has been fixed, and the credit amount per submitted character has been increased from 100,000 ISK to 150,000 ISK. Sorry for the lack of updates recently, I'm on vacation ;) ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.08.28 03:08:00 - [121] Today's stats: - 634 accounts - 3640 searches - 5314 info sheet views - 3,959,803 characters - 161,037 corporations ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.09.02 06:21:00 - [122] Today's stats: - 659 accounts - 3890 searches - 5724 info sheet views - 3,963,535 characters - 161,513 corporations ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
Ammzi	Posted - 2011.09.04 13:09:00 - [123] So ... how do I pay for this? ^^
Kronus Heilgar Dark Orbit Media	Posted - 2011.09.05 03:04:00 - [124] Originally by: Ammzi So ... how do I pay for this? ^^ 1) register on ECI (here) 2) activate by email 3) log in (Here) 4) On the page it brings you to, there are detailed payment instructions. Look for the line "subscription-***", and send a payment (minimum 10 mil ISK) to EVE Central Intelligence (ECINT) in-game. 5) Wait 1 hour 6) log into ECI again 7) ... 8) PROFIT!!! ------------ EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party

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