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Michael MitchellM
Facepunch Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.20 00:43:00 -
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Hello!
I hear that they are making the Battlecruisers and Destroyers skills racial.
I believe they also said that you would be able to fly anything that you were able to fly before hand.
From the way that I interpret this, if you have Battlecruisers or destroyers to level 5, and have all the
prerequisites for each destroyer and Battlecruiser then you will receive level 5 in each of the racial skills
when they change it.
So, I trained both Battlecruisers and Destroyers to level 5 and have the ability to fly each tech 1 BC and Destroyer.
Does this mean I will get level 5 in each, or do I have to have it so that I have the ability to fly each tech 2 Destroyer and BC which prerequisite BC and Destroyers 5?
Just a bit of a question, if they have release more information on this subject I would love a link to it.
Thanks,
- MichaelMitchell |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries
Imperial Hull Tankers
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:22:00 -
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Hi Michael,
I feel in a generous mood, but not too generous so be warned, and I will help clarify. There is a developer blog about this which you can search yourself in the DevBlog listing.
But to cut it short: the skills themselves are nice BUT are dependent on which frigate / cruiser skills you also have. For example: if you only have the Amarr frigate and cruiser prerequisites then you will only get those destroyers and battlecruisers.
The upcoming changes are only important if you have cross trained into any other faction (Caldari, Gallente, Minmitar) for which you then get credited with having the new upcoming racial destroyer and cruiser.
Also, people, please do look up the developer blogs. Please. It does show a kind of laziness. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:55:00 -
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Linky:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129
To be perfectly fair, the blog does not detail the mechanism for how CCP will accomplish the "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today" principle. We have assumed that this will translate into free racial BC/dessie 5 if you have BC/dessie 5 and racial cruiser/frigate 4 across the board. But we don't know that, and we have no indication that CCP even knows exactly what mechanism will be used to allocate skill points. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians
Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:51:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Linky: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129To be perfectly fair, the blog does not detail the mechanism for how CCP will accomplish the "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today" principle. We have assumed that this will translate into free racial BC/dessie 5 if you have BC/dessie 5 and racial cruiser/frigate 4 across the board. But we don't know that, and we have no indication that CCP even knows exactly what mechanism will be used to allocate skill points.
If I can fly ALL Destroyers and Battlecruisers with MAX bonus, any patch that does not allow me to continue doing so in exactly the same way is unfair, and makes no sense.
I believe I am entitled to all racial Destroyer + BC skills at V, and if I don't get them, I'll be pissed off.
Please understand that getting all those new skills at V will not make my character better or more powerful in ANY situation whatsoever. Much on the contrary: my clones will become much more expensive with NO advantages at all over what I can do today. |
Moondancer Starweaver
The Drones Club
Shoot To Thrill.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:15:00 -
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Everyone seems to think you will need the cruiser skills to level 4 but they are not actually required to fly BC's currently you can fly all tech 1 BC's with cruiser 3 some clarification on that would be nice. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:23:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Please understand that getting all those new skills at V will not make my character better or more powerful in ANY situation whatsoever. Much on the contrary: my clones will become much more expensive with NO advantages at all over what I can do today.
Hmm... I hadn't actually considered the clone aspect.
Though CCP has mentioned reducing clone costs and other clone changes (I think I saw that in the last CSM meeting minutes). |
Darius Brinn
Iberians
Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 21:49:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Darius Brinn wrote:Please understand that getting all those new skills at V will not make my character better or more powerful in ANY situation whatsoever. Much on the contrary: my clones will become much more expensive with NO advantages at all over what I can do today. Hmm... I hadn't actually considered the clone aspect. Though CCP has mentioned reducing clone costs and other clone changes (I think I saw that in the last CSM meeting minutes).
The clone aspect is just icing in this bitter cake.
I'm not happy because I might receive a crapton of USELESS SP which will mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to me.
I'm worried because CCP might decide I have to train weeks or months just to return to where I am TODAY.
I mean, before the Winter expansion hits, I'll be able to fly all BCs and Command Ships at V.
If I'm NOT given all racial BCs at V and gives me Gallente BC V only...WTF do I do? Waste another month to be able to fly my Sleipnir? Then another one for the Nighthawk and then another one for the Absolution?
**** no. I want to stay THE SAME. I won't even complain about increased clone costs, but I have to REMAIN able to fly the ships I can fly today, at THE SAME level of proficiency. |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:34:00 -
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I am severely banking on the fact I've got all four frigs V, BC V, Dessie V, all four cruisers V... >_>
Don't rip me off, CCP! I'll be good, promise! |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.09.21 00:54:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:
If I can fly ALL Destroyers and Battlecruisers with MAX bonus, any patch that does not allow me to continue doing so in exactly the same way is unfair, and makes no sense.
I believe I am entitled to all racial Destroyer + BC skills at V, and if I don't get them, I'll be pissed off.
Please understand that getting all those new skills at V will not make my character better or more powerful in ANY situation whatsoever. Much on the contrary: my clones will become much more expensive with NO advantages at all over what I can do today.
Dude, chill. They said that's what would happen, just didn't explain the mechanism. Free sp is one option. Another would be to remove the BC and dessie books but not the skills themselves, effectively accomplishing the same thing. Making the skills trainable might/might not happen.
You're several months late on the rage. To be fair, my first reaction was the same (and yes, I'm BC 5, dictor 4, all races) but the clarification on your point came almost instantly.
Honestly, I still don't like the whole idea; one of the neat things about BCs was that they opened cross training to newer players. But I'm confident I'll still be able to hop in any ship with the same level of ability after/if this change takes place. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:49:00 -
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Moondancer Starweaver wrote:Everyone seems to think you will need the cruiser skills to level 4 but they are not actually required to fly BC's currently you can fly all tech 1 BC's with cruiser 3 some clarification on that would be nice.
I'm also wondering why people keep saying you need racial cruiser skill at 4 too. As far as I know, you only need racial cruisers at 3 to fly each battlecruiser.
Is it because CCP may increase the prereqs when the changes come? Even so it still shouldn't affect the bonus because of the "if you could fly it before" rule. |
Shane Joven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.21 06:59:00 -
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What they should do is Keep Destroyer and Battle Cruiser Skill. They are very nice stepping stones for new players for easier cross training.
The few changes they should make is implement them more into the tree.
To fly Racial Destroyer should require Racial Frig 4
To fly Racial Cruiser should require Destroyer 4 And Racial Frig 4
To fly Racial Battle Cruiser should require Racial Cruiser 4
To fly Racial Battleship should require Racial Cruiser 4 and Battle Cruiser 4
It keeps the current path of reaching 4 before going onto the next class of ship, and leaves in the ease of cross training. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians
Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:46:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Darius Brinn wrote:
If I can fly ALL Destroyers and Battlecruisers with MAX bonus, any patch that does not allow me to continue doing so in exactly the same way is unfair, and makes no sense.
I believe I am entitled to all racial Destroyer + BC skills at V, and if I don't get them, I'll be pissed off.
Please understand that getting all those new skills at V will not make my character better or more powerful in ANY situation whatsoever. Much on the contrary: my clones will become much more expensive with NO advantages at all over what I can do today.
Dude, chill. [...] You're several months late on the rage.
I am just stating my point. Quite calmly, in fact.
Also, no. I'm not months late on the rage. There is, in fact, no rage whatsoever (LOL).
Simply, I am explaining how things should naturally be, for those who still suspect or suggest otherwise. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians
Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:47:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Moondancer Starweaver wrote:Everyone seems to think you will need the cruiser skills to level 4 but they are not actually required to fly BC's currently you can fly all tech 1 BC's with cruiser 3 some clarification on that would be nice. I'm also wondering why people keep saying you need racial cruiser skill at 4 too. As far as I know, you only need racial cruisers at 3 to fly each battlecruiser. Is it because CCP may increase the prereqs when the changes come? Even so it still shouldn't affect the bonus because of the "if you could fly it before" rule.
I think so. Still, racial Cruiser III to IV is 3-ish days, so better safe than sorry. |
Moondancer Starweaver
The Drones Club
Shoot To Thrill.
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Posted - 2012.09.21 14:18:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:
I think so. Still, racial Cruiser III to IV is 3-ish days, so better safe than sorry.
Well its actually around 16 days to move your cruiser skills from level 3 to 4 due to their being 4 of them. Which wont be to bad an idea with the new cruiser changes but its still a significant time investment just to hopefully make sure your previous one wasn't in vain. |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:00:00 -
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CorInaXeraL wrote:I am severely banking on the fact I've got all four frigs V, BC V, Dessie V, all four cruisers V... >_>
Don't rip me off, CCP! I'll be good, promise!
If you want to make sure you've covered all the basics... Train Interdictors and Command Ships both to 1. |
BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.19 04:54:00 -
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I did it.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2297532#post2297532
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa nailed this ; "Train Interdictors and Command Ships both to 1."
BOND 007
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.19 05:23:00 -
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^ to be sure.
also: http://i.imgur.com/3Tkun.png |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:26:00 -
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As long as this got necro'd, might as well post the answer from CCP for anyone thinking about starting another one of these threads:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145728#post2145728 |
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