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dunne poep
Minmatar
Servitus Solo
United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.28 05:49:00 -
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How well would a pilot with Astrometric Rangefinding V and gravity rigs do in low sec? If I fly my Pilgrim without Sisters or any probes, would it scan out most of the low sec sites?
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Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.07.28 06:38:00 -
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I don't think you'll be able to hit the hardest sites like the Secure Server, Mining Colony and if Ladars are in your region, Distribution Base
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2011.07.28 07:32:00 -
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You probably won't hit the low signatures- .25ish and below. I'm kind of doing the same thing and all my scanning skills are at 5. I'm using Sister's gear but not gravity rigs as I need those rig slots to boost my grid. So I'm not getting the full-on bonuses that typically let me scan the ultra low sigs down quickly. I'm still sorting out my fit though.
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Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.28 08:21:00 -
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i have all skills at 4 and use T1 frigs with 2 rigs. No probs so far, some sites do hard to pinpoint but they are rare. Low sec isnt 0 sec after all.
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Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2011.07.28 12:37:00 -
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I fly a Pilgrim myself. I found that with around 86 probe strength you will be able to lock everything in lowsec. Secure servers or so might need a very close placement to lock, but it works.
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Inserith Peon
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Posted - 2011.07.28 13:20:00 -
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With sisters launcher & probes and Astrometics V, everything else at IV, I have found a couple of lo-sec sites I couldn't pinpoint, particularly radars. No grav rigs installed on my Pilgrim. I got hold of some RSS probes recently, and I managed to get a couple more I previously had an issue with - but the difference is very small, 1 sensor strength on the probe I think (not got client open so can't double-check)... That was ones I kept getting to 98/99% but couldn't get a warp-in no matter how I arranged the probes.
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Mitsukami
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Posted - 2011.07.28 13:25:00 -
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I am using a Heron, Sisters launcher with sisters probes and 2 rigs.
I am training the skills and will have all 4 astrometrics skills to lvl 4.
How do I find out how strong my scanning strength will be using that fit? Noobish I know, sorry.
Mitsu
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Inserith Peon
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Posted - 2011.07.28 13:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Mitsukami
I am using a Heron, Sisters launcher with sisters probes and 2 rigs.
I am training the skills and will have all 4 astrometrics skills to lvl 4.
How do I find out how strong my scanning strength will be using that fit? Noobish I know, sorry.
Mitsu
In the fitting screen you can see what bonuses are applied to your launcher/probes by showing info on them and looking in attributes.
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Mitsukami
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Posted - 2011.07.28 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mitsukami on 28/07/2011 13:33:48
Originally by: Inserith Peon
Originally by: Mitsukami
I am using a Heron, Sisters launcher with sisters probes and 2 rigs.
I am training the skills and will have all 4 astrometrics skills to lvl 4.
How do I find out how strong my scanning strength will be using that fit? Noobish I know, sorry.
Mitsu
In the fitting screen you can see what bonuses are applied to your launcher/probes by showing info on them and looking in attributes.
Awesome, thanks!
edit: put the "thanks" in middle of the quote.. ooops.
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Dunne Poep
Minmatar
Servitus Solo
United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.28 13:32:00 -
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Makes me wonder how stacking a Virtue set with PPH2 and other prospectors would work now.. I could see how it would boost the Sisters core probe strength to 180 or so. Like a probe on steroids. LOL. But I do have all my skills at V and been seeing how good I can scan the low sec sites using both my Pilgrim without Sister, and trying it with a T3 ship as well.
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2011.07.28 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kaptain Kruncher on 28/07/2011 14:21:41
The key to this post is: Lo Sec- having expensive implants plugged in can cause severe remorse when your pod goes poof at a gate camp. Just expect it to happen.
I also have all my skills to 5 and have experimented with and without Sister's gear, with and without grav rigs because I want to use a Rapier to scan with. I can't get 100% on the low sigs (.14 initial on a mag site)- close but not enough. I've been doing exploration since the old system- so I know every trick in the book. Until I train Recon Ships to 5 I'll have to live with not being able to use a grav rig.
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Inserith Peon
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Posted - 2011.07.28 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Inserith Peon on 28/07/2011 14:52:17
Originally by: Dunne Poep
Makes me wonder how stacking a Virtue set with PPH2 and other prospectors would work now.. I could see how it would boost the Sisters core probe strength to 180 or so. Like a probe on steroids. LOL. But I do have all my skills at V and been seeing how good I can scan the low sec sites using both my Pilgrim without Sister, and trying it with a T3 ship as well.
Implants make a large difference, especially the high end ones obviously. Another 6% bonus with the 1s is good enough for lo-sec to scan all the sites with skills at 4/5. After that you are purely looking at saving time... :)
Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Edited by: Kaptain Kruncher on 28/07/2011 14:21:41The key to this post is: Lo Sec- having expensive implants plugged in can cause severe remorse when your pod goes poof at a gate camp. Just expect it to happen.
I also have all my skills to 5 and have experimented with and without Sister's gear, with and without grav rigs because I want to use a Rapier to scan with. I can't get 100% on the low sigs (.14 initial on a mag site)- close but not enough. I've been doing exploration since the old system- so I know every trick in the book. Until I train Recon Ships to 5 I'll have to live with not being able to use a grav rig.
Be curious how well you do in the Rapier. I use a Pilgrim as I have maxed subcap drone skills, and I can PVP if need be, but can also fly the Rapier. Are you changing your fit much, do you have to run a pure PVE fit to get it too work?
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Dunne Poep
Servitus Solo
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Posted - 2011.07.28 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Inserith Peon
Be curious how well you do in the Rapier. I use a Pilgrim as I have maxed subcap drone skills, and I can PVP if need be, but can also fly the Rapier. Are you changing your fit much, do you have to run a pure PVE fit to get it too work?
I would like to see a fit as well. I enjoy my Pilgrim because I can carry ecm drones as well, if needed. I think the Rapier has a smaller drone bay? I can fly one, just never thought of it as an explorer.
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2011.07.29 08:49:00 -
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I'm trying to get a good fit for the Rapier because I'm roaming more ( so scanning sites with a CovOps then returning for a support boat takes too long) and need a more efficient dual box team. So, I figure my scanning pilot in a Rapier can scan down all sites, scout gate camps -and other unpleasantness-, carry a salvager-hacker-analyzer-target painter, and remote shield rep my DPS pilot. It is a very tight fit that really requires Recon Ships at 5 to get the CPU advantage that drops the CovOps Cloak II to 0 TF. That allows me to get rid of a CPU II in the lows and hopefully lets me drop 1 CCC rig and use Grav rig, to boost my scan strength, instead. Of course all this could be resolved by using the appropriate implants to boost both scan strength and deviation- but that is about a 300m isk investment that I could (and probably will) lose when I get podded.
I explore only low sec and null sec- so it is only a matter of time before the inevitable happens. Just part of doing business. I don't know anything about Pilgrims, but I see many people use them in all types of PVE endeavors- so I am guessing working that out as a scanning and support boat would be a good way to go. Especially where the drones are concerned. The Rapier only carries 4 small combat drones- so I carry back-up Hob II's to bring a little DPS and frigate help. Also I can replace what my Drake pilot loses. If you are in low and null sec- it might be a long time between stations.
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Inserith Peon
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Posted - 2011.07.29 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
I'm trying to get a good fit for the Rapier because I'm roaming more ( so scanning sites with a CovOps then returning for a support boat takes too long) and need a more efficient dual box team. So, I figure my scanning pilot in a Rapier can scan down all sites, scout gate camps -and other unpleasantness-, carry a salvager-hacker-analyzer-target painter, and remote shield rep my DPS pilot. It is a very tight fit that really requires Recon Ships at 5 to get the CPU advantage that drops the CovOps Cloak II to 0 TF. That allows me to get rid of a CPU II in the lows and hopefully lets me drop 1 CCC rig and use Grav rig, to boost my scan strength, instead. Of course all this could be resolved by using the appropriate implants to boost both scan strength and deviation- but that is about a 300m isk investment that I could (and probably will) lose when I get podded.
I explore only low sec and null sec- so it is only a matter of time before the inevitable happens. Just part of doing business. I don't know anything about Pilgrims, but I see many people use them in all types of PVE endeavors- so I am guessing working that out as a scanning and support boat would be a good way to go. Especially where the drones are concerned. The Rapier only carries 4 small combat drones- so I carry back-up Hob II's to bring a little DPS and frigate help. Also I can replace what my Drake pilot loses. If you are in low and null sec- it might be a long time between stations.
If you use it as a support/scout/tackler and use another box with a combat vessel then it works fine. [The rapier has 40m2 drone bay and can field 5 lights + 3 spare btw.]
Am not sure about sticking RR on it however. Maybe use 5 x T2 light RR drones instead of a high-slot RR, or use a small Transporter rather than a large one with the drones? If you are using a CCC, try a semi-conductor instead, more cap means you rep longer and if you have a cap booster can be more efficient as recharge time is less useful. Just speculating a little here...
The Pilgrim wins this one if you use RR drones, as you can use 5 x T2 Medium RR drones rather then light ones. Plus carry another 5 Medium combat drones, 5 light combats, and 5 light ECM.
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2011.07.29 12:17:00 -
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Yes!
That is a direction I hadn't thought of at all. I am definately going to give that fit a try. I'll let you know how it goes.
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