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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:17:56 Let's play a game! Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. -Complete and utter rebalance? Nope. The Angel pilots will cry -Updated, shiny, futuristic graphics? Nope. Expect complaints from people with old hardware. -New UI? No, as some people will inevitably prefer the older one. -T3 frigs? No, there will be complaints about them being overpowered. -Engine trails? No. Complaints about how it looks like something out of an anime, which jars harshly against the cruel reality of EVE Besides, the examples above are not huge enough to warrant an expansion, trailer and marketing. What's something CCP could specifically do which we'd all like?
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:21:00 - [2] some say: you only can evade mistakes by doing nothing. :)
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:27:00 - [3] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:17:56 Let's play a game! Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. -Complete and utter rebalance? Nope. The Angel pilots will cry -Updated, shiny, futuristic graphics? Nope. Expect complaints from people with old hardware. -New UI? No, as some people will inevitably prefer the older one. -T3 frigs? No, there will be complaints about them being overpowered. -Engine trails? No. Complaints about how it looks like something out of an anime, which jars harshly against the cruel reality of EVE Besides, the examples above are not huge enough to warrant an expansion, trailer and marketing. What's something CCP could specifically do which we'd all like? Modular POS, Personal hangars/ship arrays, revamp corp roles. (humm perhaps corp thief's would complain). ___________________________________________ Hilmar in his childhood Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Raid''En on 29/07/2011 14:34:47 Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. have a look here, will be way easier i think the total rework of POS would have noone against. they are useful for all population ; producers, researchers on high sec, reactions, cyno on loq sec, moon mining, bases... on nullsec, and of couse your little home on w-space. would be interesting to have numbers about how many POS are anchored, what % of corps have at least 1... if it's done well of course :P (biggest issue would be bugs here)
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:33:00 - [5] EvE: Exterminatus! An "expansion" where 90% of reported bugs and glitches have been relentlessly hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice. New feature: adjustable font sizing. New feature: AUR reverse-redeemable to game time extensions (3600 AUR = 30 days, 120 AUR = 1 day). ----- CCP is still under the misconception that by waving a bunch of (NeX store items) in our faces, we'll give in to our urges and (buy) them. Bring back the hangar view and its functionality!
Cailais Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:36:00 - [6] Ponies. I think we can all agree that any expansion involving ponies will be universally acclaimed as a great expansion and fully in keeping with EVEs current direction of development. Here are a few examples of how this should be achieved: Pony colour skins for ships Pony pets for Incarna (watch the cute little guys trot around your CQ) POS remake - POSs remade to look like a pony Pony tatoos. Awesome. Perhaps some readers have additional ideas (even some pictures?) of how more ponies can and should be added to EVEs lore, backstory and game play. C. 'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.07.29 14:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Palovana An "expansion" where 90% of reported bugs and glitches have been relentlessly hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice. People would happily complain that 10% of the bugs weren't fixed.
Annabell Ood	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Cailais Ponies. I think we can all agree that any expansion involving ponies will be universally acclaimed as a great expansion and fully in keeping with EVEs current direction of development. Here are a few examples of how this should be achieved: Pony colour skins for ships Pony pets for Incarna (watch the cute little guys trot around your CQ) POS remake - POSs remade to look like a pony Pony tatoos. Awesome. Perhaps some readers have additional ideas (even some pictures?) of how more ponies can and should be added to EVEs lore, backstory and game play. C. Damm you and your right wing pony propaganda! no one wants to your vile ponies hoofing around. it's KITTENS the masses want... Ships that look like kittens kitten costumes to buy little kittens to follow you around a monocle ( or glasses ) that makes everyone else look like small kittens special ammo that shoots golden kittens at ships pie>cake Kittens>ponies I will now spend the next 14 hours shooting at monuments in protest of your putrid ponies <3
Takamori Maruyama Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:05:00 - [9] and those 10% would threaten to leave the game if the bugs weren't fix. Would like to have a word with the idiot who made NeX project. Geez its not rocket science to make a MT store attractive to the players, without making em enraged. Seriously the worst business manager that I've seen.
Kalle Demos Amarr Helix Protocol	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:37:06 Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:17:56 Let's play a game! Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. -Complete and utter rebalance? Nope. The Angel pilots will cry -Updated, shiny, futuristic graphics? Nope. Expect complaints from people with old hardware. -New UI? No, as some people will inevitably prefer the older one. -T3 frigs? No, there will be complaints about them being overpowered. -Engine trails? No. Complaints about how it looks like something out of an anime, which jars harshly against the cruel reality of EVE Besides, the examples above are not huge enough to warrant an expansion, trailer and marketing. What's something CCP could specifically do which we'd all like? This is GD, we get paid to complain! . LETS POST ON CAOD GANG!

malaire	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Annabell Ood Damm you and your right wing pony propaganda! no one wants to your vile ponies hoofing around. it's KITTENS the masses want... Ships that look like kittens kitten costumes to buy little kittens to follow you around a monocle ( or glasses ) that makes everyone else look like small kittens special ammo that shoots golden kittens at ships pie>cake Kittens>ponies I will now spend the next 14 hours shooting at monuments in protest of your putrid ponies <3 I approve kittens over ponies, specifically Hello Kitty (and apoc).
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:26:00 - [12] Why go with hypotheticals? revelations revelations 2 trinity empyrean age quantum rise apocrypha apocrypha 1.5 Of course these expansions had lots of nice things for the core game of eve. Here is the thing: No matter how you dress it up "walking" a computer avatar around does not make for a great game.
Cpt Greagor Caldari Liquid Relief	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:29:00 - [13] The ability to bring the Exotic Dancers from my cargo to my CQ? R A I N B O W S
War Kitten Panda McLegion	Posted - 2011.07.29 15:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Annabell Ood Originally by: Cailais Ponies. I think we can all agree that any expansion involving ponies will be universally acclaimed as a great expansion and fully in keeping with EVEs current direction of development. Here are a few examples of how this should be achieved: Pony colour skins for ships Pony pets for Incarna (watch the cute little guys trot around your CQ) POS remake - POSs remade to look like a pony Pony tatoos. Awesome. Perhaps some readers have additional ideas (even some pictures?) of how more ponies can and should be added to EVEs lore, backstory and game play. C. Damm you and your right wing pony propaganda! no one wants to your vile ponies hoofing around. it's KITTENS the masses want... Ships that look like kittens kitten costumes to buy little kittens to follow you around a monocle ( or glasses ) that makes everyone else look like small kittens special ammo that shoots golden kittens at ships pie>cake Kittens>ponies I will now spend the next 14 hours shooting at monuments in protest of your putrid ponies <3 I hates ponies. +1 for Kittens!
Mandrid Mandragoran Amarr Torque Theory	Posted - 2011.07.29 17:15:00 - [15] Crew members that you can hire (and have to pay wages and benefits - especially life insurance), to increase your ship stats. Eg, helmsman, weapons / tactical, engineer, etc. Larger ships can have more crew. Something like a frigate might have zero crew slots. Custom skins / schemes for faction ships. So, you won't have a bunch of noobs in apocs with hello kitty painted on them. :-p (ps, I'm a noob, definitely don't have any faction ships) Change directional scanner to use AU as units, instead of KM. Improve Star Map options. Specifically, allow users to save presets of their map settings. Also, more importantly, would like enhanced capabilities, to say, show system sovereignty of multiple alliances in a single view without having to change settings(eg, Alliance A stars are blue, Alliance B stars are red, Alliance C stars are orange, etc), instead of limiting it to one-alliance-at-a-time. Let Autopilot jump to zero. Allow mining straight into a jet-can, instead of the cargo hold. Make Local chat window work like in Wormholes in Null-Sec - don't display who's in the system unless they chat. Alternative, if you intend on leaving Local As-Is, at least allow sorting options, to put hostiles on top of the list. Improve graphics. Keep low-res versions of course, for people with low-end systems. Improve UI. Leave an option for reverting back to the old UI.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.07.29 17:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Palovana EvE: Exterminatus! An "expansion" where 90% of reported bugs and glitches have been relentlessly hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice. New feature: adjustable font sizing. New feature: AUR reverse-redeemable to game time extensions (3600 AUR = 30 days, 120 AUR = 1 day). Sheer Genius!
Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2011.07.29 17:23:00 - [17] There are plenty of things that everyone would like to see, that's not the issue. The issue is the order in which CCP tackles those issues.
Ranger 1 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.07.29 17:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard Originally by: Palovana EvE: Exterminatus! An "expansion" where 90% of reported bugs and glitches have been relentlessly hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice. New feature: adjustable font sizing. New feature: AUR reverse-redeemable to game time extensions (3600 AUR = 30 days, 120 AUR = 1 day). Sheer Genius! While I would find this to be a worthy expansion, the sheer volume of rage at the lack of new shiney's would deafen you. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Cpt Greagor Caldari Liquid Relief	Posted - 2011.07.29 17:40:00 - [19] Edited by: Cpt Greagor on 29/07/2011 17:40:39 Edited by: Cpt Greagor on 29/07/2011 17:40:21 Originally by: Dorian Wylde There are plenty of things that everyone would like to see, that's not the issue. The issue is the order in which CCP tackles those issues. I don't think how CCP tackles them is the issue either, unless you consider completely ignoring them tackling them. R A I N B O W S
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.29 18:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Let's play a game! Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. -Complete and utter rebalance? Nope. The Angel pilots will cry -Updated, shiny, futuristic graphics? Nope. Expect complaints from people with old hardware. -New UI? No, as some people will inevitably prefer the older one. -T3 frigs? No, there will be complaints about them being overpowered. -Engine trails? No. Complaints about how it looks like something out of an anime, which jars harshly against the cruel reality of EVE Besides, the examples above are not huge enough to warrant an expansion, trailer and marketing. What's something CCP could specifically do which we'd all like? It's funny because it's true. Hmm let's see... -Supercaps changed to non-combat support ships? Alliances with tons of them pitch a fit. -Hundreds of new WH systems? Nullsec players cry they're being neglected! -Brand new regions in sov nullsec? Instantly dominated by existing power blocks, the new***s continue to whine. -Brand new regions in npc nullsec? OMG NOTHING TO TAKE OVER, WTF?! -Rebalanced weapon systems? Hybrids are overpowered because my hurricane can't wtfpwn them all! I trained minmatar and now it's not the best! -Lag completely fixed? WOW WE JUST GOT BLOBBED BY 5,000 pilots! Let the node crash on those bastards! -Ship tier re-balance? WTF YOU NERFED THE drake/hurricane/myrm/harb INTO THE GROUND?! There is literally nothing they can do without ruffling someone's feathers. Poor buggers.

Sheila Sarani	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Sheila Sarani on 29/07/2011 19:43:49 Not so sneaky anti whiner whiner and incarna lover detected;) In case its not i will explain it to you: It's not possible to make all 100000 peoples happy (peoples not accounts and its rough guess from 350k accounts but amount is irrelevant so bear with it as example). In 100k peoples even if you start giving free cash you will find few that will complain that its not enough, they prefered euro instead of dollars or some other crap. The point of expansion is to make as many peoples happy as possible, get as many new and returning players as possible with as few unhappy as possible and as few permanent quits as possible. To get that goal you must sacrifice something, like overpowered super capitals for example or free kills on gallente hybrid ships. You need to get lots of peoples happy and make game looks like a strong base to invest time and cash. One of such examples was nano nerf it **ed quite a few nano lovers but made a lots of peoples happy and get quite a few old timers that left becouse of this issue back. So if you know what kind of deal you need to get you could go for expansions that: - Renowation - fixing all abandoned content and rebalance. FW, cosmos, epic mission arcs to name a few. - More fixes of bugs and little issues in game aka polishing - PoS rewamp - low sec gets UNIQUE game play features while making catching "pray" harder, sure wannabe piwates would cry, but influx of new players to this regions would make up a lot for it and change wasteland to just a dangerouse place for peoples with balls - bot annihilation campaign followed by constant vigilance on the issue could be tricky if quick $$$ is far more important than product health and long term $$$ but it would make quite a few peoples happy and economy more healthy in long run - game rebalance to make more existing ships usefull could create little rage, but far more peoples would be happy than not And two words about Incarna as example what not to do: - promised feature wasnt really there, lots of bugs moved in to have new home in EVE, now there is legion of them, mt fiasco and than pr fiasco, nothing to get the teeth sink into if you are not cosplay maniac with big wallet and small brain. So it ed of more peoples than it made happy while most was just indiffrent in they opinion, amount of cancellations will be known in few months though i doubt its big, even so it isnt growth its at best stagnation. So expansion was a failure in that view it made more peoples angry than happy while rest just didnt care. Well that was big "word":P and second one is how they could not ** up Incarna release and make it go far smoother. - deliver far more finished product with core gameplay at least like bars, communal areas, some minigames (hell those arent hard to code) while still maintaining old hangar view (upgraded a little though) with option to "get out of pod", at least with little beta testing by some experienced betatesters - more micro than macro transactions with at least few dozen items in there... polished not rushed items (i hate mt but in such expansion it would be swallowed), also what would made mt not so painfull would be paint job scheme slot in your ship to put in like rig, destroyed when removed with quite a bit player made but with exclusive ones in mt, exclusive one would be also aliance theme and if it was cheap it would be quite a big money making machine - some in space rebalance (hybrids and supercaps as they are loudest issues) and if they wanted to made "epic" expansion loved by a lot, hated by few something like t3 frigates or something like that to make this "pointless to many" expansion far sweeter to pewpew crowd Maller and turrets animation wasnt enough to sweeten bitter pill:P In summary, more honey less crap and it will be swallowed and peoples will be in general happy.
Spumantii	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:48:00 - [22] automated bot removal. Bots don't complain. Let the greedy manipulative alliance leader/high sec ice miner/drone region scrubs burn.
Rykuss Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.29 20:20:00 - [23] Ponies or GTFO!!! Can I have your Vindicator? :D
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.29 20:23:00 - [24] Modular POSs. If CCP wanted to come out with the absolute least controversial expansion ever... they would release modular POSs. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Borun Tal Minmatar Just Abide	Posted - 2011.07.29 20:37:00 - [25] I think one expansion that fixes all known bugs would be supremely awesome! :) But there's about as much chance of that happening as me growing wings and flying to Nevernever Land...
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.29 21:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:37:06 Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:17:56 Let's play a game! Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. -Complete and utter rebalance? Nope. The Angel pilots will cry -Updated, shiny, futuristic graphics? Nope. Expect complaints from people with old hardware. -New UI? No, as some people will inevitably prefer the older one. -T3 frigs? No, there will be complaints about them being overpowered. -Engine trails? No. Complaints about how it looks like something out of an anime, which jars harshly against the cruel reality of EVE Besides, the examples above are not huge enough to warrant an expansion, trailer and marketing. What's something CCP could specifically do which we'd all like? Well of course there's no possible expansion that nobody would *** about; it's just a question of whether the recent expansion has ed off a lot more people than any previous expansion has, or not. *** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:09:00 - [27] Originally by: jackaloped Why go with hypotheticals? revelations revelations 2 trinity empyrean age quantum rise apocrypha apocrypha 1.5 Of course these expansions had lots of nice things for the core game of eve. Here is the thing: No matter how you dress it up "walking" a computer avatar around does not make for a great game. Being an active forum warrior since Trinity, I will say that there were MAJOR forum complaints and lots of anti-CCP activity with EACH one of those expansions. And I disagree with your second point. Walking your computer avatar around, especially where there are other interaction capabilities, makes a damn great sci-fi immersion tool. Sure, we aren't there yet, not really. But I don't doubt we will be. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:37:06 Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 29/07/2011 14:17:56 Let's play a game! Think of a full expansion CCP could hypothetically make, which no one would complain about. -Complete and utter rebalance? Nope. The Angel pilots will cry -Updated, shiny, futuristic graphics? Nope. Expect complaints from people with old hardware. -New UI? No, as some people will inevitably prefer the older one. -T3 frigs? No, there will be complaints about them being overpowered. -Engine trails? No. Complaints about how it looks like something out of an anime, which jars harshly against the cruel reality of EVE Besides, the examples above are not huge enough to warrant an expansion, trailer and marketing. What's something CCP could specifically do which we'd all like? Well of course there's no possible expansion that nobody would *** about; it's just a question of whether the recent expansion has **ed off a lot more people than any previous expansion has, or not. This is still not worse than Trinity, even if you add in the moderately interesting 'riots'. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Mandrid Mandragoran Crew members that you can hire (and have to pay wages and benefits - especially life insurance), to increase your ship stats. Eg, helmsman, weapons / tactical, engineer, etc. Larger ships can have more crew. Something like a frigate might have zero crew slots. Custom skins / schemes for faction ships. So, you won't have a bunch of noobs in apocs with hello kitty painted on them. :-p (ps, I'm a noob, definitely don't have any faction ships) Change directional scanner to use AU as units, instead of KM. Improve Star Map options. Specifically, allow users to save presets of their map settings. Also, more importantly, would like enhanced capabilities, to say, show system sovereignty of multiple alliances in a single view without having to change settings(eg, Alliance A stars are blue, Alliance B stars are red, Alliance C stars are orange, etc), instead of limiting it to one-alliance-at-a-time. Let Autopilot jump to zero. Allow mining straight into a jet-can, instead of the cargo hold. Make Local chat window work like in Wormholes in Null-Sec - don't display who's in the system unless they chat. Alternative, if you intend on leaving Local As-Is, at least allow sorting options, to put hostiles on top of the list. Improve graphics. Keep low-res versions of course, for people with low-end systems. Improve UI. Leave an option for reverting back to the old UI. - Bad roleplayers complaining that they want to keep pretending their ships have no crew, and various gamers complaining about having to micromanage yet another task on ships. - Complaints from those who don't use faction ships on why can't their T1/T2 ship be customized. Complaints by the rest of us on why every hisec hero undocks with the same absolute black or black and red ships. - *****ing from those who liked KM measurements better. - Complaints on a limit to the number of presets saved, and if no limit is imposed, complaints by some users due to massive lag when opening said super star map after they saved 10,000 different presets. - Oy, massive complaints by suicide greifers and war fighters, as now even the afk dips just fly on past. - Complaints from the old school, as we all know jet-can mining is not an intended mechanic - Oi, massive rage from the 'nerf stealth' nulsec carebears. Other option is the complaint with a sorted local that now, free intel is even easier! - Complaints by players who own low end systems but swear they have high-end systems and their comp crashes. This one has already happened before, actually. - Complaints about inevitable bugs in new UI, as well as any improvements not being implemented in the old UI as well. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Valentina Valentia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:28:00 - [30] Plush Skins!... everyone loves Plush! ...What???



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