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Lonox	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:15:00 - [31] They're crybabies, kind of like you when the miner pops you for flipping his can. Quick, hop in your vigilant and go shoot a statue! Originally by: Holly Cleland has red bruising and veins popping up where the monocle plugs in. No wonder you people are so angry, you're doing it wrong.
Whiteknight03 Theoretical Research	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:17:00 - [32] Hamilar's letter mostly
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:22:00 - [33] Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:22:36 Originally by: Athena Tarsis It's dismissive and juvenile to keep asserting that people that either have no problem with the current direction of Eve, or that like the current direction of Eve, are CCP alts. But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? Even if all they ask for, is choice and functionality returned? Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:22:36 Originally by: Athena Tarsis It's dismissive and juvenile to keep asserting that people that either have no problem with the current direction of Eve, or that like the current direction of Eve, are CCP alts. But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? Even if all they ask for, is choice and functionality returned? Mag's m8, just biomass already you massive whinner. ~~~
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:26:00 - [35] Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:26:41 Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:22:36 Originally by: Athena Tarsis It's dismissive and juvenile to keep asserting that people that either have no problem with the current direction of Eve, or that like the current direction of Eve, are CCP alts. But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? Even if all they ask for, is choice and functionality returned? Mag's m8, just biomass already you massive whinner. Edit: 10 hours and counting. Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Kitsune Tsuki Amarr L'Opaline	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:26:00 - [36] Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 29/07/2011 19:26:56 Originally by: Mag's But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? I understand that it may be frustrating, but at this point, those are your choices. ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùù Un fol enseigne bien un sage. ùRabelais
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:28:00 - [37] I don't have a problem with the last expansion. Sure there is not much gameplay in the CQ right now, but that is hardly surprising since CCP stated many times that the first version of Incarna would be a tech platform. About the P2W argument, it is really one of the more stupid arguments. Sure some Dude in the newsletter said: It would be cool if... There is nothing more to it. The newsletter was old by the time Incarna was released and the idea was dropped for a variety of reasons. Also some guy working in CCP expressed his personal opinion in a newsletter, this is not the same as making it an official stance of CCP and trying to construct an argument out of it, is a bit too far fetched. The main reason for the whining is drama. Some people enjoy yelling in the forums and get others to support their "cause" even if there is really nothing to complain about. A few others think they own "EVE" and think they can tell CCP what parts of the game should be developed. As sad as it is, the drama queens will not really quit the game and continue to whine on the forums, regardless of the decisions CCP is making. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 29/07/2011 19:26:56 Originally by: Mag's But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? I understand that it may be frustrating, but at this point, those are your choices. Oh I'm not frustrated, just pointing out the irony of that statement. I gave up with even thinking about game balance and improvements long ago, we are after all bitter vets for a reason. Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Malak Alraheem Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:37:00 - [39] My primary displeasure in the game is that CCP has introduced a framework for the new client that makes mutli-clienting not viable on fairly standard hardware anymore. It was something that was very nice to be able to do on a game that doesn't have a fast pace. Being a industrialist heavy player running three accounts I still would have slow times where watching a movie on the computer was a nice thing to do on the side. When Incarna came out it was unstable. Just running two accounts on my computer suddenly took up a huge percentage of the system resources. When I would bring the third account on line I would often have one of the other two crash. For everybody that screams 'it isn't EVE it is you' I will only reply that I build and maintain computers for a living and I have been doing it for 15 years. I know what airflow is needed and how to keep a computer clean. When a friend of mine brought his brand new liquid cooled machine on line and loaded up Eve the temperature spike on his GPU became worrisome and he killed the application. We both feared a GPU meltdown. Again, to those of you that hold on to the belief that a GPU can't be programmed to melt I will reply by saying that we have done it on computers where I work, and it has been a problem in the past, including a set of nVidia drivers that came out during the Starcraft2 beta that damaged a lot of video cards. I have secondary concerns about the lost functionality in the game over the years and the token bug fixes to issues. These annoyances began turning in to losses that I have grown tired of. With Incarna I wasn't comfortable doing half the combat related things I had been doing because so many things were not functioning correctly or reliably. The list of things that have gone wrong and never have been righted are why I am mad. The whole Nex/Aurum thing for me is way way way down the list for me. I am showing my displeasure by cancelling my three accounts, Sunday is the last day if I recall correctly. Since the forum is only considered the 'minority' it will take time to see who is right and who is left. Five weeks after Incarnas release nothing has really been done but a bunch of PR stunts to try and glass over the issue. In my opinion, the economic impact of angry players leaving will most likely be offset by a relaxed attitude towards botting just to keep the coffers full. While purely speculation, the lack of the anti-bot Dev Blog that was supposed to come out in May would seem to help confirm that thought (that or they are just really not able to reach anything like a deadline anymore, again not a way to instill confidence). It really is a bummer. This could be a great game again if they would stop treating the player like play-testing cattle to milk money from. CCP please fix your game. . I'm as mad as I can take it and I'm not going to hell anymore! I have reassigned my money for CCP to other projects for the next 18 months...
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 29/07/2011 19:26:56 Originally by: Mag's But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? I understand that it may be frustrating, but at this point, those are your choices. You forgot 'FITE TEH POWAH' which is what I suggest more people do rather than acting like docile consumer scrubs. ~~~
Reeper 2435	Posted - 2011.07.29 20:14:00 - [41] Edited by: Reeper 2435 on 29/07/2011 20:14:23 True CCP alt. Poaster (HA) uses reverse psychology to attempt to lure you to buy the NEX items by pointing out what's wrong with every single little detail. So, how would someone who swears to MT destruction know so much about them?? We have our eyes on you... Originally by: Lady Spank CCP alt spotted. The solution is NOT to ignore concerns.
The Bear08 Among the Shadows	Posted - 2011.07.29 20:59:00 - [42] Thanks for the replies, I feel like I've got an idea of whats going on now. So far since re-subbing I haven't really bothered with the NeX store and the WiS stuff has been disabled on my machine because it really doesn't offer any advantage to me personally, not to mention how clumsy the interface is. It sounds strange, but one of the most dissapointing things is that disabling the WiS interface does not bring back the old ship spinning interface, all we get now is a blank station wall. For me this is hugely suprising because the old ship hangar was a tried and tested feature which literally every player was happy with. I don't see why it couldn't be left as an option. I must admit that I can't see any FiS gameplay areas which have actually been improved/fixed. Being Gallente (laugh all you want ) I expected the Hybrid issue to have been addressed by now, I mean its been about 2.5 years? Of course, the above issues are minor compared to what I see as the major problem. Since 2003 EVE has attracted players by advertising a hugely open sandbox in which the major theme is real time action and a real economy. The huge player base that currently exists would be very happy with an introduction of new "in space" features, and fixes to some of the bugs/balance issues. However, for some reason we are not being fed the recipe we like, and are instead being given something which isnt tasting good and looks taking the game away from the terrific spectacle it has been in the past. I will not drop my sub to EVE now or any time in the near future, but some people will do and CCP needs to kick itself into gear pretty rapidly if they want to keep EVE out in front of the other MMO's.
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:10:00 - [43] Originally by: The Bear08 It sounds strange, but one of the most dissapointing things is that disabling the WiS interface does not bring back the old ship spinning interface, all we get now is a blank station wall. For me this is hugely suprising because the old ship hangar was a tried and tested feature which literally every player was happy with. I don't see why it couldn't be left as an option. Welcome to the tip of the iceberg. It's really a whole heap of things that, unfortunately for CCP, happened at the same time. None of them on their own might have been enough to produce more than the usual average amount of **ing and moaning on the forums; all of them together have set off quite a bit of a ruckus, possibly the biggest ruckus in EVE's history apart from maybe the T20 scandal. Only time will tell whether this has cut really deep, but I can tell you now that it's not just a bunch of crybabying - those who are saying so are whistling in the dark, wishing it were so. This isn't just the good old days people, those days are gone. "Stuffz" and "HTFU" responses are looking a bit antique nowadays, a bit ritualistic. There's been a sea change in the attitude of some old vets of the game, in the way they view CCP. It's probably not enough to kill EVE or anything like that, but it may be enough to take away the very raison d'etre of things like evisreal.com. If the people who are prepared to put time and effort into the game leave, and only people who are into short-term gratification stay, the very kudos that CCP's marketing of EVE depends on - the kudos for EVE being a true virtual world, a true sandbox - may fade away, and the game become just a mere arena PvP game with a bit of inadequate themepark PvE on the side. That's my big fear anyway. That and the way CCP seems to be treating its own lore with contempt (re. CQ being the default, as if casual daily de-podding were the norm in New Eden). *** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Zidious Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:18:00 - [44] Simply becouse ccp keeps adding new useless broken **** to the game instead of fixing old broken stuff..
Dalloway Jones Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.29 23:05:00 - [45] They are a bunch of whiny chodes who think the monthly fee they have been paying entitles them to a share of the company. Yesterday I saw someone saying that he was going to sue CCP if they did anything with the Nex store that he didn't approve of. I think playing video games for years warps peoples sense of reality.
Kitsune Tsuki Amarr L'Opaline	Posted - 2011.07.30 00:59:00 - [46] Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 30/07/2011 01:00:02 Originally by: Lady Spank You forgot 'FITE TEH POWAH' which is what I suggest more people do rather than acting like docile consumer scrubs. Who's docile? I'm still fighting NestlT over their decision to stop production of the Big Kat! How dare they? And no, I won't just switch to Chunky instead. I'll never forget, Big Kat! You hear me? NEVAH! ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùù Un fol enseigne bien un sage. ùRabelais
Oberine Noriepa	Posted - 2011.07.30 01:03:00 - [47] Entitlement culture.
Postrem Inkunen	Posted - 2011.07.30 01:27:00 - [48] I never imagined the playerbase of this supposedly hardcore serious MMO to be such a massive lot of crybabies.
Selinate Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.30 01:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Lady Spank just biomass already you massive whiner. You first.
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2011.07.30 04:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Lady Spank A few reasons I can think of... The new UI changes are laggy and unresponsive but CCP refuse to acknowledge any problem. It's more important to design monocles than game interfaces that support development of features that benefit the actual game. CCP are cash-strapped from developing other games and are seeking ways to cream money from the playerbase of their existing game while at the same time adding only features that are blatantly beta tests for their games in development rather than developing the game they used to be proud of :excellence: Greed is good walking is stations forced on the players, those that opt out of the performance hogging waste of time are shown the door, quite literally sending a message to GTFO. Removal of perfectly valid features with the intention of charging for them at a later date. Hilmar ignores the concerns of the playerbase unless he sees metrics that are costing the company money. CCP only care about their income and not the quality of their game. Ship designs from a player competition AAAAAAAGGGEEEEESSS ago are not included in the game. Many half-finished features are left ignored while CCP work on station rooms that are unoptimised, feature no content and overheat customers GPU's. CCP has a corporate big case of steamboat mouth and rowboat arse. My sub expires soon and I'll take a passing interest in seeing what is going on in the game, but I refuse to subsidize the crap work CCP is calling its Incarna expansion. They actually couldn't care less about what is said on these forums, as they have made that abundantly clear. I can't imagine what it is like to work for CCP, it must really suck to have to kowtow to a bunch of rank amateurs posing as competent managers. To the rank and file: I feel for you guys, I think your efforts have been spectacular in the past, but you certainly better be weighing your options. YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
Athena Tarsis Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.07.30 09:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:22:36 Originally by: Athena Tarsis It's dismissive and juvenile to keep asserting that people that either have no problem with the current direction of Eve, or that like the current direction of Eve, are CCP alts. But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? Even if all they ask for, is choice and functionality returned? I'm not telling anyone to play or leave. I'm saying those are the only choices any of us have on any game, this one or others. My pointing that out isn't juvenile; at most you can accuse of me of stating the obvious. However, calling anyone that likes the current direction of Eve a 'CCP alt' suggests that no one can possibly think differently than the poster. The perspective that everyone must agree with one's self, that anyone that disagrees is either being intellectually dishonest or trying to scam you -- not allowing for the possibility of legitimately different likes and goals -- is juvenile. I understand why some people are not excited about vanity item RMT. I can also understand why some people aren't excited about anything that's not focused on ship-to-ship combat. These are reasonable things about which reasonable people can disagree. The problem is that there's an awful lot of irrationality, and not a whole lot of reason abound. --
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.30 09:54:00 - [52] A quick synopsis of what has happened: CCP told the majority of their playerbase to F.OFF a month ago.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.30 10:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Athena Tarsis Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:22:36 Originally by: Athena Tarsis It's dismissive and juvenile to keep asserting that people that either have no problem with the current direction of Eve, or that like the current direction of Eve, are CCP alts. But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? Even if all they ask for, is choice and functionality returned? I'm not telling anyone to play or leave. I'm saying those are the only choices any of us have on any game, this one or others. My pointing that out isn't juvenile; at most you can accuse of me of stating the obvious. However, calling anyone that likes the current direction of Eve a 'CCP alt' suggests that no one can possibly think differently than the poster. The perspective that everyone must agree with one's self, that anyone that disagrees is either being intellectually dishonest or trying to scam you -- not allowing for the possibility of legitimately different likes and goals -- is juvenile. I understand why some people are not excited about vanity item RMT. I can also understand why some people aren't excited about anything that's not focused on ship-to-ship combat. These are reasonable things about which reasonable people can disagree. The problem is that there's an awful lot of irrationality, and not a whole lot of reason abound. There have been numerous threads detailing the issues, many in a very rational and reasonable way. But to say that their only course of action is to either play or leave, is very dismissive. One could argue that it's also juvenile, but I'm not going to get hung up on semantics. Things get changed when problems are voiced and CCP have shown in the past, you need to shout rather loudly over and over to get them to listen. This is largely down to the very poor PR that CCP now have with their player base, but I digress. Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Postrem Inkunen I never imagined the playerbase of this supposedly hardcore serious MMO to be such a massive lot of crybabies. If you ever grow to like the game you too might take the time to tell ccp they are screwing it up.
Diesel74 Caldari Deadly Havoc Malice Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:29:00 - [55] Edited by: Diesel74 on 30/07/2011 11:31:14 When all is left are the dumb unimaginative people, you will then see why MT and cashshops are fail. - (^____________________^)
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Athena Tarsis Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 29/07/2011 19:22:36 Originally by: Athena Tarsis It's dismissive and juvenile to keep asserting that people that either have no problem with the current direction of Eve, or that like the current direction of Eve, are CCP alts. But telling someone that they should either play or leave, is not dismissive and juvenile? Even if all they ask for, is choice and functionality returned? I'm not telling anyone to play or leave. I'm saying those are the only choices any of us have on any game, this one or others. My pointing that out isn't juvenile; at most you can accuse of me of stating the obvious.... You forgot that we can post on the forums telling ccp why their numbers have been stagnant for the last year.
Ineka	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:32:00 - [57] Originally by: The Bear08 Could someone spare the time to explain the controversial issues to me? Would be much appreciated! Quick answer: Moar raging -16 year old Kids, or just stupid older ones.
Diesel74 Caldari Deadly Havoc Malice Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Ineka Originally by: The Bear08 Could someone spare the time to explain the controversial issues to me? Would be much appreciated! Quick answer: Moar raging -16 year old Kids, or just stupid older ones. Also less devotion to gamepleh and more to vanity failure. - (^____________________^)
Ineka	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Diesel74 Originally by: Ineka Originally by: The Bear08 Could someone spare the time to explain the controversial issues to me? Would be much appreciated! Quick answer: Moar raging -16 year old Kids, or just stupid older ones. Also less devotion to gamepleh and more to vanity failure. Pretty simple buddy, leave the game and go rage somewhere else. You want your actions to count? -act !! Leave and stop posting, if each and every silly people threatening about this do it for real with all their accounts then we'll see drastic changes pretty fast from CCP meaning you're right. I'll be the first one to post and beg you to come back, k? For the meanwhile you guys are looking more and more like silly kids with no clue about what's real life, business or whatsoever. Let me remind you the fundamental part of what "game" should mean to you: DON'T LIKE IT? -DON'T PLAY IT !!
Fademist	Posted - 2011.07.30 11:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 29/07/2011 18:50:23 Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 29/07/2011 18:50:01 CCP, unlike, say, Blizzard, u cant compare ccp with blizzard .....

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