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Drak Nijoba
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Posted - 2011.08.05 03:49:00 -
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Ninja Salvagers...
Concord Protects them When they're doing something bad, but people open a container sitting in the middle of no-where and take a small item and boom they're dead by some trappers...
Seriously. The Salvage & Loot is what People run Missions for... If they weren't worth while no one would run missions even for the LP they'd just mine ore and get it reprocessed and then build their own stuff...
Salvage getting Ninja'd should be like opening up a Cargo Container and Taking the Items.
Throwing your Salvage Gun on it shouldn't be a problem. It's when you Complete the Salvage and the Wreck is Gone that someone should be able to kill the person Salvaging their loot.
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Tauranon
Gallente Weeesearch
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Posted - 2011.08.05 04:14:00 -
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It was put into the game by design. Salvage is and always will be a free-for-all. Belongs only to whoever extracts it from a wreck and sticks into their hold.
amongst other things, CCP wants other players to have as many reasons as possible to enter your mission space, and they've been given the tools to make that easy.
In my experience warping out leaving a career salvager under npc dps will cause them to warp out and find easier salvage. It won't discourage a griefer that intends to aggress, as they can usually speed tank a pocket, but in my experience griefers do not really want to run around cleaning up whole pockets of boring low value salvage. They want you to aggress.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.08.05 04:18:00 -
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Ay Dios mios! Another one!
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catinboots
Minmatar Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.08.05 05:01:00 -
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Solution to the pproblem
open your agent finder find a agent you like that is more than 5 jumps away from any trae or mission hub pref in some back water constellation that is atleast 1 0jumps away and has a population of between 10 to 30 people during peek times
Yes you need to travel to sell your loot and salvage or buy your ammo
But it is time you start working for that isk aswell, and the second poster has a good point ________________________________________ Minmatar are like jedi knights, we use ductape as our force, it has a darkside and a sticky side
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.05 06:50:00 -
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Ways to deal with ninja salvagers...
Leave the mission space. If you're not there to tank, the little destroyer will get quickly killed. This forces them out of the local area.
Salvage as you go. Maruaders and drone boats are excellent at this.
Get enough shooty skills up and stop salvaging. If you can get your skills up to the point where you can kill things so fast, it will eventually be worth it to get a new mission rather than salvaging.
Make friends with the salvager. If the guy is salvaging, and not looting, he probably isn't out to shoot you. If you make friends with him, you could ask him to salvage ALL your missions, and throw you in for a cut of the gains. By working together your isk per hour increases (since eventually shooting will be more profitable than salvaging) AND his iks per hour goes up since you'll be fleeting with him or abandoning all loot so he can tractor.
Go afk in Recon 3 of 3. If you have a nice passive tank, or an active cap stable tank, just go afk here for a few hours. Ninja salvagers will scan you down and warp to you, then suddenly KABOOM! :P
Ask a friend to salvage. Personally, I feel it'd be better to ask the ninja to salvage it.
Move to an off-location. Like low sec! Just kidding, I know that's not ideal. But honestly, I play around in the high sec parts of Solitude a lot, and I never have problems with can flippers, ninja salvagers, etc.
A long time ago I was blitzing L4's with Caldari Navy to try and get access to some Jump Clone stations. When doing this I encountered unblitzable missions. I would ask in local before, during, and after the mission if anyone wanted the salvage. It was disappointing but nobody ever wanted it. Sometimes it's hard to give away your wrecks. :(
I really think being friendly is the best option here. Not every ninja salvager is going to react nicely, but once you get one that does, your isk / hour will go up, and if he's salvaging your missions for you, other ninjas will probably find it harder.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2011.08.05 09:40:00 -
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but with a decent setup you will make way more ISK/hour just by blitzing missions for LP. Salvaging only becomes worthwhile if you have a Marauder or an alt in a Noctis (and even then that alt is better off in another DPS ship).
Also, I have never been ninja salvaged once. There is no reason to sit in mission hubs anymore, all level 4 agents are the same quality now, go find one in some random system.
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Sonya Kranz
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Posted - 2011.08.05 10:16:00 -
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Or alternatively you can go and do guristas missions, their salvage is so crap that its hardly worth anything so you wont be bothered by ninjas much.
Personally i dont loot or salvage anyway except for the bits i pick up on the way with my marauder, so i dont really care wether someone feels like picking it up or not.
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Kilrayn
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:49:00 -
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Like others have said, can't stop em, but you sure can grief em
One of the things I like to do is use your mission triggers wisely and get them to aggro said ninja. It won't work with all triggers, but it will with most, and hopefully some elite scram frigs are in the spawn
Alternatively, if there are no triggers and you do want the salv, stop blowing up ships (assuming you have the tank for it) and call out ninja in local. He'll know the deal from this point and most leave shortly there after.
Or if you don't feel like messing with them much at all, as other suggested leave the beaten path. Agent finder is quite useful.
Fly safe o7
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LOSERTAR
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Posted - 2011.08.05 15:22:00 -
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Truth the be said if they try to rob you just one shot the ****er then he wont bother you again
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.05 18:28:00 -
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Just move to a quieter system, heck I've been mission running since before salvage was introduced and I never encountered a ninja salvager. In my current sytstem where my agent is located local is filled with at most 20people usually half that. And the surounding systems where I am sent, it averages 3-5people. Did I mention I am in high sec 0.9 space, so finding a good quiet agent is possible.
And no I won't post where I am, you have to do your own research. Go jump in a shuttle or something and start scouting out for a new home. It's what I did.
Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011 |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.08.05 22:31:00 -
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When I want to do missions, I hop into a shuttle and AFK to the mission system.
Tip: Pick a system with a lower security for larger reward, and make sure there is no lowsec system in the same constellation so that you will never get sent to lowsec.
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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.05 22:50:00 -
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Or, alternatively, find empty lowsec and run missions/explore there and make even more money. There is empty lowsec out there, you just need to find it.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.08.05 23:26:00 -
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Salvage isn't yours, but the wrecks are. Before someone screams I am wrong, please try to counter this logic
1. If its yellow, you cannot tractor it 2. If its yellow, you cannot "steal" the item in the container in the wreck without aggression (if this is wrong, then TEARS alliance has "not doing it right" for years because lol the wreck "wasn't anybodies" so how did they gain aggression to be shot by an idiot?) 3. If its yellow, they cannot shoot the wreck without fear of CONCORD unless! they loot, you shoot, you dock, and they force the timer to continue by scrambling it 4. Blue releases all the stipulations for 1 and 2, while preventing 3 from extending aggro because now the wrecks are "free game"
What I am saying is, they cannot touch a wreck except by stealing the item or by salvaging. So, you are free to do whatever you want to the wreck before they get there; leave it and move on to the next mission, blue it, or my favorite SHOOT THE WRECKS AND BE PRO-ACTIVE!!! Assume you already have company comming everytime you start a mission and need to clean up before they arrive. Make TEARS and Suddenly "Looser" Ninja dance around your mission space by leaving a wreck and popping it before they get there then they chace after another one and waste 10 minutes of their time trying to force a 1 sided fight on you when at any time they could just OMG!!! OPEN FIRE AND SUCK UP CONCORD RETRITUBTION which half the time if you think about it they just want an easy mode "PVE target" without a challenging fight. Hell, ignoring them alone is like a child holding their breath for attention as they hand around and you do nothing.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.05 23:45:00 -
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TBH it's a stupid mechanic and I'd wager it's only there because CCP couldn't figure out how to code flagging mechanics for salvaging. Half of the time the ninjas are trying to get agressed, and the ones who aren't are carebears whose main defense against complaints that it should be changed is that highsec is too risk-free (the irony in that statement as they rake in isk while running around in a t1 frigate is tremendous)
We need to make it easier to shoot people in highsec, not harder :( |
Van Upier
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Posted - 2011.08.06 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Drak Nijoba Ninja Salvagers...
Concord Protects them When they're doing something bad, but people open a container sitting in the middle of no-where and take a small item and boom they're dead by some trappers...
Seriously. The Salvage & Loot is what People run Missions for... If they weren't worth while no one would run missions even for the LP they'd just mine ore and get it reprocessed and then build their own stuff...
Salvage getting Ninja'd should be like opening up a Cargo Container and Taking the Items.
Throwing your Salvage Gun on it shouldn't be a problem. It's when you Complete the Salvage and the Wreck is Gone that someone should be able to kill the person Salvaging their loot.
Unrelated to the topic. but does anyone know why people like the OP bother to capitalize completely random words in the middle of sentences? See examples above in bold. Is it because in their native tongue you capitalize words for emphasis or some such thing? Or just random? Mind-boggling.
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Drak Nijoba
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Posted - 2011.08.06 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Van Upier
Originally by: Drak Nijoba Ninja Salvagers...
Concord Protects them When they're doing something bad, but people open a container sitting in the middle of no-where and take a small item and boom they're dead by some trappers...
Seriously. The Salvage & Loot is what People run Missions for... If they weren't worth while no one would run missions even for the LP they'd just mine ore and get it reprocessed and then build their own stuff...
Salvage getting Ninja'd should be like opening up a Cargo Container and Taking the Items.
Throwing your Salvage Gun on it shouldn't be a problem. It's when you Complete the Salvage and the Wreck is Gone that someone should be able to kill the person Salvaging their loot.
Unrelated to the topic. but does anyone know why people like the OP bother to capitalize completely random words in the middle of sentences? See examples above in bold. Is it because in their native tongue you capitalize words for emphasis or some such thing? Or just random? Mind-boggling.
It's a habit that I have and it's a hard to break. I capitalize things mostly based on Emphasis or Proper Names for things such as Salvaging and Loot / Cargo Containers... I don't know why just I sometimes do it and other times I don't. I type too fast at times to Catch myself doing it. Especially when I know what I'm going to be saying before I start typing. (Had to catch myself on the word typing and catch lol.)
Related back to the Topic.
I think that there should be a mechanic that allows you to Flag all Wrecks. Meaning that if you chose that you want the wrecks for members of your corporation or alliance, or if possible High Rated Players in your Friends List then you should be able to. It shouldn't be too hard to do, just like the Reverse of Abandon all Wrecks. xD
This way if you Flag all Wrecks in your Deadspace Pocket anyone who flies into your Pockets will be tempted to Salvage them still but have to worry about Drawing Aggression against your Corporation & Alliance. If someone salvaged a wreck that was Flagged in a System where your alliance spends a lot of time in, depending on the type of alliance your in, it might cause them to be more cautious in the future.
Honestly if people want to use there salvagers more and make a profit, join a corporation, sell yourself out as a Salvager Pilot and fly behind a group of people that run missions. It'd be easier to get into level 4 mission pockets and still be able to make some money.
You'd also be able to Charge a Percentage of the Loot and Salvage that remains yours. If you're fitted with a Noctis and good enough skills and can clear an entire pocket in a matter of minutes versus someone else who takes 3-4 times as long you'd be set to charge a good 40%-60% of the loot to be all yours. It means that people can focus more on the bounties/missions and less time on trying to salvage ships and sell the loot yourself.
It'd be especially good for Missions such as Angel Extravaganza where 3 people decently fit to tank the damage in the pockets takes 3 hours to clear the entire mission, including the bonus pocket. Their Wrecks start to disappear before they can get done with the mission and back with a salvager.
Some Level 4 Missions can take as long as 20-30 minutes to complete while salvaging can take the same amount of time. They get more money for completing the mission most of the time instead of salvaging, so if they hired you to clean up their wrecks... it'd be able to let them bank more profit off their missions without the hassle of wasting time doing it themselves.
Ninja Looters, offer to salvage the mission for someone and split the profits, and you may just get more opportunities in the long run.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.06 06:23:00 -
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I can second the second poster and The ideal of geting your killing speed up to pare and hiring the nija to loot for you.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.08.06 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Drak Nijoba It'd be especially good for Missions such as Angel Extravaganza where 3 people decently fit to tank the damage in the pockets takes 3 hours to clear the entire mission, including the bonus pocket.
WTF?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.08.06 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Drak Nijoba Ninja Salvagers...
Concord Protects them When they're doing something bad
Stop, no. Ninja salvaging isn't "doing something bad", it's entirely legal.
See: the apprx 1,000 other threads on this topic for further explanation.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.06 18:39:00 -
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Once again as has been said years ago, it is most likely based on some kind of maritime law.
You can salvage the hull of a ship, but its cargo still belongs to the owner.
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.08 09:23:00 -
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So, how often does it actually happen that some guys scans you, warps in, and starts salvaging your stuff? I personally have a second account with a Noctis so I salvage on the go (so atleast I have something to do while my drones eat through the NPCs) but I've never ever gotten a salvager to warp in and salvage my stuff.
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EvEa Deva
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Posted - 2011.08.08 11:32:00 -
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Stop before some wierdo starts talking about drinking tears.
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