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Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.02.27 18:40:00 - [1] I love my Tempest and im quite pro-minmatar. However, if I am going to fight and support the corp and myself, I'm going to need to make isk. It does not look like the Tempest is the ship to make much isk in. I need to do l4 missions, and i need to do a little 00 ratting. What ship would you recommend (or Tempest setup if you so desire) for me to use to make the fastest isk in the safest possible manner. Thanks, IK ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2005.02.27 18:41:00 - [2] tempest does level 4 missions fine or you can be a sheep and fly a raven You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.02.27 20:27:00 - [3] alternatively, 0.0 ratting in a tempest is quite doable as well. Just needs some work to setup long range bookmarks to all belts in a nice system to hunt in. After that your 1400's with some missiles to take care of targets that come close should do pretty well against NPC's. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.02.27 21:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Lord Anubis tempest does level 4 missions fine or you can be a sheep and fly a raven Thanks, I should be able to do l4 missions now with this valuable information. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.02.27 21:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Rod Blaine alternatively, 0.0 ratting in a tempest is quite doable as well. Just needs some work to setup long range bookmarks to all belts in a nice system to hunt in. After that your 1400's with some missiles to take care of targets that come close should do pretty well against NPC's. So then the foundation of a money making Tempest is 1400s and cruise missiles? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2005.02.27 21:24:00 - [6] i have found the tempest to be a poor ship to do lv 4 missions in,it can handle most missions dont get me wrong,but you get a rouge drone mission and you go owwwwwww that hurt. same can be said of the apoc and im a pro amarr,but a raven just walks through missions. dont get me wrong a tempest is a fine ship,but if you need to make money for your corp and want to do missions to earn it consider getting a raven.
Techyon	Posted - 2005.02.27 22:06:00 - [7] One of my corpmates rat hunts in 0.0 in his tempest and he can handle quite any spawn there. Simple : -Get a shuttle or something, create long range bm's for the belts. -Jump in at long range with your tempest and fire away. He did 1x6mill 2x750k( or more ) some cruiser some inties, easily, got him a nice Dark Blood Large Rep He uses 1400's ------ ARIN Recruiter
Gabriel BriGGs	Posted - 2005.02.28 06:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Rod Blaine alternatively, 0.0 ratting in a tempest is quite doable as well. Just needs some work to setup long range bookmarks to all belts in a nice system to hunt in. After that your 1400's with some missiles to take care of targets that come close should do pretty well against NPC's. So then the foundation of a money making Tempest is 1400s and cruise missiles? level 4 angel missions 5 x 1200's or 1400's 2 x siege 1 x rocket w/ defenders xl shield booster ONE hardener, well 2 if you want tech II ab and the rest.. damage and or tracking mods. it works! -------------------------------------------- I've had the same Gurista Imputor on my tail for the past 16 systems.. 2004.08.16 21:38:37 - Combat: Your 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Blood Sage, wrecking for 324.9 damage.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.02.28 10:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Rod Blaine alternatively, 0.0 ratting in a tempest is quite doable as well. Just needs some work to setup long range bookmarks to all belts in a nice system to hunt in. After that your 1400's with some missiles to take care of targets that come close should do pretty well against NPC's. So then the foundation of a money making Tempest is 1400s and cruise missiles? yes, or 1200 II's, but in general, range+1400's+cruises or torps=win against our NPC friends. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2005.02.28 12:14:00 - [10] I hear good things about using the typhoon as a lvl 4 mission runner. 4 sieges + lots of drone + good armour tank makes life quite easy.

Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2005.02.28 14:25:00 - [11] Originally by: OVERCOPES 1 i have found the tempest to be a poor ship to do lv 4 missions in,it can handle most missions dont get me wrong,but you get a rouge drone mission and you go owwwwwww that hurt. same can be said of the apoc and im a pro amarr,but a raven just walks through missions. dont get me wrong a tempest is a fine ship,but if you need to make money for your corp and want to do missions to earn it consider getting a raven. You can tank the Rogue Drone level 4 mission with some patience and warp outs.... granted those tentacle Domis hurt.
Weirda	Posted - 2005.02.28 16:54:00 - [12] Weirda have no problem taking out just about any spawn with Tempest set up as follows (player rats that come along are another story - but would honestly rather be in this setup then a arma NPC setup - lol): -6xdual 650s, 1-2x Siege, 0-1 Heavy Nos -MWD, 0-1 Webber, 3-4 Cap Relay -1xLarge Rep, 3xHardener, (0-1 GyroII or 0-1 MedRepII), 1xcap relay Good Mix of Drones (though the large ones that go fast - praetors and bezerkers do very well if you go all large) This setup does very well against multiple bs spawn (for Weirda anyways) - and have solod faction angel and sansha spawns (3 bs) without much trouble. Biggest problem with short range setup is if you land close enough to the spawn for their optimal - but there are intys keeping you out of YOUR range. It is easy to overcome this though by either A) knowing what the spawn is before you warp in or B) always warping in from the longest distance and praying (the reality is that there are very few spawns that will actually spank you before you have time to warp out - and it is very rare that you will ever have to do that anyways). The Tempest is a lot of fun because it handles like a cruiser (compared to other bs sans typhoon). NPC AI make the Webber not really necessary, but Weirda usually like to carry one since 0.0 really is never "safe". Ammo can be a huge issue. Weirda have several locations that like to hunt - usually scout in an interceptor. If find a sector with good spawns... bm it... make some instas (or not)... and come back with a hauler carrying two giant secure cans of ammo. Of course all of this can take a while - but you CAN easily make 10+mil hour (bounties alone) and more when you get back to empire to sell your crap... And TBH - it a lot more fun then using an Arma or Apoc (IWHO) - though logistically, those are very nice for deep 0.0. If CCP ever finally reduce the charge size (so that guns and hold can carry more ammo) - this will be MUCH more viable. Weirda don't like the long range setups - they still take too long to kill anything IWHO - though ammo is MUCH LESS of a problem... Hope that this was helpful Imhotep! -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Elaine Threepwood	Posted - 2005.02.28 17:49:00 - [13] I've used a very similar setup to the one weirda posted for 0.0 npc hunting (though with 800s not dual 650s), it works and it's a lot of fun Problem is it runs out of ammo faster than my Raven doing the same job, it takes as long to kill the spawns, it can't tank anything like as well, and it can only tank about the same amount of time before running out of cap... Basically it's fun but the Raven is a lot easier
Weirda	Posted - 2005.02.28 18:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Elaine Threepwood I've used a very similar setup to the one weirda posted for 0.0 npc hunting (though with 800s not dual 650s), it works and it's a lot of fun Problem is it runs out of ammo faster than my Raven doing the same job, it takes as long to kill the spawns, it can't tank anything like as well, and it can only tank about the same amount of time before running out of cap... Basically it's fun but the Raven is a lot easier Agree with you again on the fun quotient. Weirda don't fly Caldari (screw those stupid Oragami Bird-ships) - so can't confirm or deny the statements with regard to that. Have really never had a problem with any 0.0 spawn with this setup (again - Sansha and Angel only - which are both pretty cake) - but will have to take you word that Raven is easier. Weirda don't really prefer 'easier' though - just look to fly ships that fit preferred piloting style - and Matari ships fit that bill wonderfully! -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2005.02.28 19:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Lord Anubis tempest does level 4 missions fine or you can be a sheep and fly a raven Thanks, I should be able to do l4 missions now with this valuable information. ive boosted my setup many times and i belive ive done it already today im not gonna do it again check some tempest threads to see my setup You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.02.28 19:13:00 - [16] Depends on Mission Imhotep. I lost my bloody Tempest in Silence the Informant Lvl 4. I think it may have worked, but I screwed up on my alignment. Tempest not good ship to do missions in. Either you are dropped in too close to use long range effectively, or you are too far away to use the short range. Lots of setting/fittings I have noticed. I've been doing fair amount of reading on this Tempest usage and so far have found the following to work - Non Deadspace Missions - 6x1200 Tech 2, Think it was a Siege and rocket for defenders - Shield hardening - Dmg/Tracking mods. ROF should be around 6.9-7.2 with falloff doing fairly good dmg from 50+ kms. This goes against all convention of tanking etc for missions, but personally I just prefer to dispatch the npc's quicker and do the odd warp away. I found it worked really well in Mordu, although the one bugger had a tough nut to *****(shield) Deadspace I haven't the foggiest. I got my ass handed to me on the first one I attempted. Still trying to recoup from that loss. Weirda's looks interesting, although I am uncertain of the tanking capabilities of short range gunnery against those bloody parasite towers during agent missions. CJ
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2005.02.28 19:13:00 - [17] Originally by: OVERCOPES 1 i have found the tempest to be a poor ship to do lv 4 missions in,it can handle most missions dont get me wrong,but you get a rouge drone mission and you go owwwwwww that hurt. same can be said of the apoc and im a pro amarr,but a raven just walks through missions. dont get me wrong a tempest is a fine ship,but if you need to make money for your corp and want to do missions to earn it consider getting a raven. i personaly find drone missions the easist and plus i hit drones better than any thing else using 1400s You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.02.28 20:07:00 - [18] What minmatar BS level and Large Projectile level do you think is necessary before the 1400s become effective at killing a rat BS? I assume I will be using Lead or Proton Ammo? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2005.02.28 21:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Imhotep Khem What minmatar BS level and Large Projectile level do you think is necessary before the 1400s become effective at killing a rat BS? I assume I will be using Lead or Proton Ammo? try plasma or fusion stick to around 60k from target as for skills i think 4/4 is a good combo You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Weirda	Posted - 2005.02.28 21:26:00 - [20] You get a lot of mileage out of ship bonus on tempest (and lot of Matari ship for that matter) - even more then other races. 4/4 (as Anubus stated) is a good combo, but if you are at 3/3 - would go with the ship bonus first, then the gun bonus second. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>



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