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Laconian	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:00:00 - [1] Hi there! Last post (because account expires in a few minutes) for a long, long time or maybe ever. Been going through the forums before I go on my merry way and something kept jumping out at me across many posts. OK 2 things 1st- OMG I have never seen such dedicated trolls in my life. It is amazing how much time and energy you (trolls) put into disagreeing with, shouting down, or just slinging mud onto ideas and perspectives that are perfectly reasonable for discussion. My favorites are the multi-paragraph responses that can be boiled down to ôI am aware of this because someone wrote it before you.ö The most hilarious ones of course are those that complain their time has been wasted reading an idea they have read before. Then they spend all the time writing smarta$$ responses as opposed to a simple ôSomeoneÆs said that alreadyö or an even simpler click to the next post. My WOW training has shown these are often the ignored or unpopular kids from high school getting their frustration out but I was always under the impression EvE was more for adults. The fact that grown men and women are engaged in this is... funny? Lame? I dunno what the right word would be to convey my opinion of that. I pray you donÆt have children. ôDaddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!ö ôWell duh stupid, I knew that already. HereÆs a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!ö Anyway thatÆs just an observation. 2nd- When folks say ôIÆll keep playing until itÆs P2W and then IÆm leaving!ö Hate to tell you but ôWell duh stupid! ItÆs like that already!ö In the dark ages before Plex- Isk was not merely currency but a score. Your net assets reflected the time and effort you put into New Eden (yeah, yeah not always nit-pickers ). Then PLEX came out and since then Isk has nothing to do with your skill, will, or substance. Now anyone can be a billionaire on day 1 so long as you throw down the cash. Does this mean you are leaving? Of course not! You may *** and moan but in the end you will go along with it. Every time! The reason it is P2W now is because of you! The EvE community. When Plexes came out you (may have) whined and complained but you refused to vote with the one thing you could which was your wallet. YOU kept it profitable. YOU made it ok. YOU bought the Plexes! Now it IS P2W and it will become more so over time because YOU wonÆt really do anything about it. It will continue to have all those little annoying issues (like tiny text, life-long bugs, half-realized innovations [FW for ex.], and development centered around MT). And why? Because of YOU! Blaming others (devs, fanbois, CEOs, CSM, your mom) is just passing the buck.** Ok IÆm done. Thanks for reading and enjoy EvE as you have made it (that last bit was not sarcasm even though it sounded like it).
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:02:00 - [2] QUICK! ur stuffz, contract to me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeee I figure if I ask enough, I might actually get something some day...has happened before... - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Lurd	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:02:00 - [3] doh, no, I need the stuffs
Kraven Stark Caldari Atavism Industries	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:02:00 - [4] Bye! Looks like the rest is just whining so no need to even touch it. That's what she said!
Bevil Smyth Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:19:00 - [5] sad but true! sorry to see you go! ============================ 2003 and still alive!
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Laconian Whining Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. You won't be missed.
Sewer Urchin	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:33:00 - [7] Super long post about how everything you said has been said before and confirming that as soon as eve is P2W I'm leaving. Also, good bye.
Acktose5123	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Feligast Originally by: Laconian Whining Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. You won't be missed. Hate to be an ass, but I agree with this statement.
Cave Lord	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Laconian Hi there! Last post (because account expires in a few minutes) for a long, long time or maybe ever. Been going through the forums before I go on my merry way and something kept jumping out at me across many posts. OK 2 things 1st- OMG I have never seen such dedicated trolls in my life. It is amazing how much time and energy you (trolls) put into disagreeing with, shouting down, or just slinging mud onto ideas and perspectives that are perfectly reasonable for discussion. Oh yea, we can discuss all we want, and CCP will COMPLETELY ignore us. Should we apply the same to your thoughts here? Shall we completely ignore you until you podkill us? Let's discuss. ...oh wait..
Kunming Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:48:00 - [10] True story. Comunity was much better back around 2003-2006...
Alina Wize Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:02:00 - [11] It's my gold ammo, and I want it now!
Disturbed Pilot	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:19:00 - [12] Plex is not the P2W that will cause me to quit. Plex helps players like me who can't afford the game every month (or even just knowing that I dont have to pay for the game if i dont want to) probably the main thing that keeps me playing the game, it isnt a pure profit for ccp, every bit of that isk was earned by a player through the ingame economy. The P2W that will make me quit is if ccp introduces items that are game influencing, destructive to game balance, which entertain pure profit into ccp's wallet. This type of P2W is good on free games but not on a game where subscription is expected, imo. There is a very huge difference here.
Doctor Deals	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:30:00 - [13] Edited by: Doctor Deals on 11/08/2011 22:30:59 Originally by: Laconian ôDaddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!ö ôWell duh stupid, I knew that already. HereÆs a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!ö LOL. But srsly.. adolts be much smartest then stoopid childs. Originally by: Laconian Then PLEX came out and since then Isk has nothing to do with your skill, will, or substance. Think you mean GTC. They been selling since atleast June 2007 (way before PLEX).
Kijo Rikki Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 11/08/2011 22:31:02 Originally by: Disturbed Pilot it isn't a pure profit for ccp, every bit of that isk was earned by a player through the ingame economy. Someone paid for your monthly sub. It cost CCP nothing as it was your (prepaid)time and effort that created the fictitious money that someone else wanted and so this fictitious money was exchanged and converted into real money for CCP.
Cave Lord	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Disturbed Pilot Plex is not the P2W that will cause me to quit. Plex helps players like me who can't afford the game every month (or even just knowing that I dont have to pay for the game if i dont want to) probably the main thing that keeps me playing the game, it isnt a pure profit for ccp, every bit of that isk was earned by a player through the ingame economy. The P2W that will make me quit is if ccp introduces items that are game influencing, destructive to game balance, which entertain pure profit into ccp's wallet. This type of P2W is good on free games but not on a game where subscription is expected, imo. There is a very huge difference here. Game Influencing items: Everything in the NEX store. (Look at all the monocle owners talking trash because they spent $80) Destructive to game balance: NEX store (NOTHING is balanced here. "MACROtransactions" Also, resources that went into the NEX store could have been spent on fixing bugs, developing better gameplay, working on Incarna, etc.. Pure profit into CCP's wallets: NEX store. Players get NOTHING for using the NEX store except for a product that can't be destroyed (See destructive to game balance. Everything should be destroyable) "This type of P2W is good on free games but not on a game where subscription is expected, imo." - I completely agree.
Dub Step Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us	Posted - 2011.08.11 23:06:00 - [16] This doesn't seem very relevant to eve online.
Aoki Ayumi University of Caille	Posted - 2011.08.11 23:11:00 - [17] Laconian... I feel the same, but the thing is, don't let the trolls ruin your game, just do not pay attention to them, that is the smart point. So do not leave, just forget this sometimes stupid comunity ok?
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.08.11 23:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Dub Step This doesn't seem very relevant to eve online. It's called general discussion you halfwit. Look up what general means please, I'll even save you the trouble of searching for it. General definition Honestly expressing my beliefs and opinions is not trolling
General Xenophon	Posted - 2011.08.12 01:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Laconian Hi there! Last post (because account expires in a few minutes) for a long, long time or maybe ever. Been going through the forums before I go on my merry way and something kept jumping out at me across many posts. OK 2 things 1st- OMG I have never seen such dedicated trolls in my life. It is amazing how much time and energy you (trolls) put into disagreeing with, shouting down, or just slinging mud onto ideas and perspectives that are perfectly reasonable for discussion. My favorites are the multi-paragraph responses that can be boiled down to ôI am aware of this because someone wrote it before you.ö The most hilarious ones of course are those that complain their time has been wasted reading an idea they have read before. Then they spend all the time writing smarta$$ responses as opposed to a simple ôSomeoneÆs said that alreadyö or an even simpler click to the next post. My WOW training has shown these are often the ignored or unpopular kids from high school getting their frustration out but I was always under the impression EvE was more for adults. The fact that grown men and women are engaged in this is... funny? Lame? I dunno what the right word would be to convey my opinion of that. I pray you donÆt have children. ôDaddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!ö ôWell duh stupid, I knew that already. HereÆs a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!ö Anyway thatÆs just an observation. 2nd- When folks say ôIÆll keep playing until itÆs P2W and then IÆm leaving!ö Hate to tell you but ôWell duh stupid! ItÆs like that already!ö In the dark ages before Plex- Isk was not merely currency but a score. Your net assets reflected the time and effort you put into New Eden (yeah, yeah not always nit-pickers ). Then PLEX came out and since then Isk has nothing to do with your skill, will, or substance. Now anyone can be a billionaire on day 1 so long as you throw down the cash. Does this mean you are leaving? Of course not! You may *** and moan but in the end you will go along with it. Every time! The reason it is P2W now is because of you! The EvE community. When Plexes came out you (may have) whined and complained but you refused to vote with the one thing you could which was your wallet. YOU kept it profitable. YOU made it ok. YOU bought the Plexes! Now it IS P2W and it will become more so over time because YOU wonÆt really do anything about it. It will continue to have all those little annoying issues (like tiny text, life-long bugs, half-realized innovations [FW for ex.], and development centered around MT). And why? Because of YOU! Blaming others (devs, fanbois, CEOs, CSM, your mom) is just passing the buck.** Ok IÆm done. Thanks for reading and enjoy EvE as you have made it (that last bit was not sarcasm even though it sounded like it). Well said! And now back to Trollololin CCP for their lackluster love of Eve online as a source of cash, rather than a source of beauty and concept that it once was.
Ammzi	Posted - 2011.08.12 02:07:00 - [20] Eve troll, best troll.
SchuMidas	Posted - 2011.08.12 02:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Kunming True story. Comunity was much better back around 2003-2006... do CCP still ignore player back then ?
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.08.12 02:12:00 - [22] Welcome to EVE onine, where a capitalist based game is supposed to have socialist based mechanics. Or so the trolls wish for NEX and play style. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Tijai Betula	Posted - 2011.08.12 08:28:00 - [23] +1000 to the OP Remember most of the 'Adults' dont even post on the forums anymore due to the massive influx of kiddies / haters. The games only on the client, not the forums (anymore).
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.08.12 09:45:00 - [24] We always have some lame teenagers and then being adults have difficulty in dealing with people

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.12 10:59:00 - [25] Moved from General Discussion. Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.12 11:05:00 - [26] I am aware of this because someone wrote it before you. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EVE: TESTING GROUNDS FOR WoD & DUST SINCE 2011
Vicker Lahn'se Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC	Posted - 2011.08.12 11:09:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Navigator Moved from General Discussion. to die a quiet death in a place where nobody reads it... Actually, why is this here? How is quitting Eve an OOPE? I guess it's a transition to being out of pod?
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.12 11:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se Originally by: CCP Navigator Moved from General Discussion. to die a quiet death in a place where nobody reads it... Actually, why is this here? How is quitting Eve an OOPE? I guess it's a transition to being out of pod? Seeing as its 'out-of-pod' discussion, shouldnt all Walking in Station and Incarna discusion be in this sub forum? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EVE: TESTING GROUNDS FOR WoD & DUST SINCE 2011
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.08.12 11:27:00 - [29] Point1 is a philosophical ranting. Point2 - totally agree. Eve IS PW2 and no matter how much drivel is put into defense of the PLEX, PLEX IS P2W. NEX store is another step in the same direction, and I'm quite sure that in a year from now we'll have SP for cash, boosters for cash, standings for cash. In 2 years - gold ammo, special ships and premium modules. Don't know about you, but for me Eve already lost most of the charm. I can't bother ratting, or trading or PI as instead of that I can simply buy ISK. I don't care that much about ships I lose, because I can measure every loss in "minutes" of my RL job and most of the ships cost next to nothing this way. PLEX was a terrible idea gameplay-wise. Of course, it allowed slackers and students to play the game and grind for ISK sitings days in days out in from of the screen. It allows ppl with jobs to buy nearly anything with the only limit - how much cash do we desire to throw into Eve. It's win for CCP, it's loss for Eve. It simply killed the soul of this game IMHO. I'm not threatening to quit because of this or because of that. I'll quit when I won't give a **** about the game and MT is certainly contributing to that.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.12 14:46:00 - [30] I never bought a plex. Can't afford them. :-( Got too many guns to feed. Even have to make my own bullets (and brew my own beer).
Dub Step Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us	Posted - 2011.08.12 15:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Valei Khurelem Originally by: Dub Step This doesn't seem very relevant to eve online. It's called general discussion you halfwit. Look up what general means please, I'll even save you the trouble of searching for it. General definition Originally by: CCP Navigator Moved from General Discussion. This has been dealt with.
Redflare Caldari Black Metal Armory Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2011.08.13 03:49:00 - [32] To top the other trolls in this thread... -Please give me your stuff. -Too late, I already read a thread like this; you wasted my time. -TL;DR. -Many posts show signs of Cascading Grammar Failure, Batman! -... out of ideas. Anyone? Anyway, this, by the OP, made me laugh -> Quote: I pray you donÆt have children. ôDaddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!ö ôWell duh stupid, I knew that already. HereÆs a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!ö
VKhaun Vex	Posted - 2011.08.13 05:56:00 - [33] Bought several plex, intend to buy at least one more when I get back on an EVE streak (probably in the winter). Did I win yet? Nope. Must be something missing from this formula... Oh yeah... you have to still blow up the other guy, and you can't do that without skills and knowledge. You know, the GAME PLAY part. If you're looking for that MMORPG 'Accounting Online' I don't think it's out yet. Quote: Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.08.13 08:27:00 - [34] Man Milk <--- this is more interesting. ---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.08.14 06:03:00 - [35] Edited by: Estephania on 14/08/2011 06:03:07 Originally by: VKhaun Vex Bought several plex, intend to buy at least one more when I get back on an EVE streak (probably in the winter). Did I win yet? Nope. Must be something missing from this formula... Oh yeah... you have to still blow up the other guy, and you can't do that without skills and knowledge. You know, the GAME PLAY part. If you're looking for that MMORPG 'Accounting Online' I don't think it's out yet. Oh, I like those posts: "You can buy ISK, but you can't buy skill". You know what, it's bull****! Flying a spaceship in Eve is not exactly a thesis in quantum mechanics. The noob can buy the char, can buy the ISK and in a month you'll have your ass handed to you because the guy decided to throw $500 into Eve and you've just bought one small PLEX.
VKhaun Vex	Posted - 2011.08.14 06:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 14/08/2011 06:03:07 Originally by: VKhaun Vex Bought several plex, intend to buy at least one more when I get back on an EVE streak (probably in the winter). Did I win yet? Nope. Must be something missing from this formula... Oh yeah... you have to still blow up the other guy, and you can't do that without skills and knowledge. You know, the GAME PLAY part. If you're looking for that MMORPG 'Accounting Online' I don't think it's out yet. Oh, I like those posts: "You can buy ISK, but you can't buy skill". You know what, it's bull**! Flying a spaceship in Eve is not exactly a thesis in quantum mechanics. The noob can buy the char, can buy the ISK and in a month you'll have your ass handed to you because the guy decided to throw $500 into Eve and you've just bought one small PLEX. Really? I actually bought several, and with them I could have bought any ship in the game. I had the bil+ at one time to buy a Nightmare, Mach, or Rattlesnake. Lets say I had bought $500 worth and had a hanger full of those, and I waited the 'in a month' to fully equip and use the ships and mods at full or near full (which is beyond exaggeration, drone interfacing alone is a month train, but I won't go down that road because it leads to nitpicking). Now how do I win at EVE with my one ship? On a scale where it means so much that the game is 'Pay 2 Win'? What do I go win with that $500 set of loot pinatas? I'll pay the $500 gladly if I can win at EVE. Please explain your position like the intelligent mature person you are. Quote:** Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.08.14 09:31:00 - [37] Originally by: VKhaun Vex Really? I actually bought several, and with them I could have bought any ship in the game. I had the bil+ at one time to buy a Nightmare, Mach, or Rattlesnake. Lets say I had bought $500 worth and had a hanger full of those, and I waited the 'in a month' to fully equip and use the ships and mods at full or near full (which is beyond exaggeration, drone interfacing alone is a month train, but I won't go down that road because it leads to nitpicking). Now how do I win at EVE with my one ship? On a scale where it means so much that the game is 'Pay 2 Win'? What do I go win with that $500 set of loot pinatas? I'll pay the $500 gladly if I can win at EVE. Please explain your position like the intelligent mature person you are. You know quite well what I mean. Don't pretend that you really think that P2WIN is "win Eve" as you say it. P2WIN is paying RL money above usual subscription to gain an advantage. You get it either by directly selling PLEX or by multiboxing, and tbh, multiboxing is better as you at least have to play the game to get the edge, not just to sweep your credit card. NEX store is a logical extension of PLEX many ppl are up at arms against it because with PLEX you pay someone to grind for you, with NEX things can be spawned out of thin air in unlimited quantities, but that is just speculations as right NOW we don't have any game affecting items in NEX and CCP says it'll never happen. I don't believe a single word of what they say on this matter, but this is just my opinion. In any case P2WIN is already here.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.08.14 17:36:00 - [38] Well ... I agree about the trolls but ... shrug GTC's & Plex were something that countered the buying of ISK. Game companies can't stop people from buying in game money but they can take over the business themselves. It's sort of like legalizing drugs. They take away the profits from the criminals and keep them for themselves. Of course it is the players who bought in game money with RL money that caused that - so blaming the players is accurate - though most don't do that. shrug . Orbiting vs. Kiting Career Agents
VKhaun Vex	Posted - 2011.08.15 00:54:00 - [39] Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 15/08/2011 00:59:21 Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Well ... I agree about the trolls but ... shrug GTC's & Plex were something that countered the buying of ISK. Game companies can't stop people from buying in game money but they can take over the business themselves. It's sort of like legalizing drugs. They take away the profits from the criminals and keep them for themselves. Of course it is the players who bought in game money with RL money that caused that - so blaming the players is accurate - though most don't do that. shrug . Players buying in game currency, and it being wise for companies to start taking over the market for themselves, is definitely a reality, but even though I'm on your side of this and agree with cash shops etc, the P2Win conversation still needs to be had because when the company sells it they do something that's not done when third parties sell it. They now CONDONE the act of trading money for game currency. The forum blowup was mostly useless, other than to show lots of people 'dont like it' which doesn't help since those same people surely didn't like it when 3rd parties sold currency... But when you get a chance, you should always ask someone to articulate exactly what can be won with that currency to make it 'P2Win', because through this you get to game balance issues that really should always have been talked about in all games because of that third party currency market we all know exists. When companies wrote it off as cheating, they had an excuse if someone could P2Win and players had the social position that they had cheated. Both of these go away at the same time. A company needs to know what people can actually 'win' with buying currency and adjust their game, then communicate those adjustments so that players understand it's not cheating. I think EVE is doing great... PLEX has been in a long time and the game is not 'ruined' at all. People like the OP leaving because they assume the same company that got that right are going to mess up the game now with the cash shop doesn't make any sense really... And when you try to have the P2Win conversation with EVE players you get vague weak answers because they know EVE is won with blobs, small gang tactics with tackle, underhanded tactics like getting aggression and then bringing your friends, or picking fights you already know you can win. Quote: Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg

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