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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.09.23 08:55:00 -
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from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/own-what-you-can-afford.html
All sorts of rumours about Test Alliance. That they can't make their sovereignty bills. That Pandemic Legion loaned them 100B ISK. That they're now renting space.
Then there was this tweet today:
@ktouborg TEST is now renting space out. Fix nullsec, or renters (instead of one's own pilots) are the future of nullsec income.
Whatever happened to the old credo: "CCP can change what they want, but players will always adapt."
I just see a lot of complaining. Not a whole lot of adapting. Or at least, not a lot of willing adaptation.
Granted, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about nullsec finances or politics, so feel free to clue me in. I'm just coming at this as outside looking in. Wondering, what the big deal is all about.
From what I understand, current technetium prices are at about the same levels as they were 18 months ago. Everyone seemed to be doing fine then. Sure sure, Test Alliance now owns thrice what it once did, just four months ago. If the rumours are all correct, they can't afford what they're holding now. They wouldn't have been able to afford it 18 months ago, either. So other than 18 months of monetary bliss, not much has changed.
Has OTEC, and the price increases it successfully manipulated, has that caused a mass loss of sense and reason?
Why does Test have to resort to renters? Why can they not simply adapt the Goonswarm model? From what I understand, Goonswarm doesn't rent space to it's allies (Razor, Space Monkeys, Fatal Ascension, etc.) It simply gives it to them for being good, capable and reliable allies. If they aren't reliable, Goonswarm kicks them the hell out of the space and gives it to someone willing to be reliable. Goonswarm ends up with an amount of space it can manage and afford, and in turn is rewarded with a good number of large and faithful allies.
Based on the influence map, I see Test trying to hold three large regions (Fountain, Delve and Querious), while having given Period Basis to their allies, Tribal Band. Why not give Querious to their new buddies, Raiden? Or, maybe it's about time Honey Badger partner, Pandemic Legion, started pulling it's weight in sovereignty and took some piece (if not all) of Delve.
Even if that's not possible or realistic, what really is the big deal with renting?
At the end of the day, there's been a change to EVE Online (i.e, the re-introduction of alchemy). It's shaken a few things up. OTEC made some people very rich. Everyone knew that wasn't going to last forever. And it hasn't. While OTEC lasted, overly-optimistic expansion occurred. But things change. After every boom comes a recession. Booms are not indefinite. What could be afforded, can no longer be afforded.
Keep over-extending, refusing to adapt, refusing to admit to the reality of the situation, and the necessity for contraction will turn into a forced collapse.
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Feel free to clue me in on the reality, if I'm way off base. Caldari Militia |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.09.23 10:46:00 -
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TEST is doing just fine.
You should do your research before vomiting words everywhere.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlnyNGc6PAOwdG1LaW5EQlJ6VTNNQXZiU3haQmtZemc&authkey=CKbl8ZwI&hl=en_US&ndplr=1#gid=2 Dual Pane idea: Click!
CCP Please Implement |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.09.23 11:26:00 -
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Being forced to rent to keep sov space is like being forced to sublet some of your bedrooms to make house payments. Not exactly a desirable situation by any means.
It's not a problem unique to TEST either - most of the alliances in the south and east have their own shell alliances just for renters - Tech was the only thing keeping that out of the North.
Sov 0.0 needs bigtime fixes, otherwise "didn't want that sov anyway" will change from an excuse into a reality. |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
70
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Posted - 2012.09.23 12:07:00 -
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Everything about your existence upsets me.
And I've been in a fleet with Snot shot. |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.09.23 14:20:00 -
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Oh dear, OP refers to a Poetic Stanziel post as truth. Might as well have EVENews24 in your bibliography too.
I believe, dear friends, this thread must clearly be a troll. |
Moroccan Tourist
CRITICAL Novus
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Posted - 2012.09.23 16:13:00 -
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TEST is one step closer to become like -A- , no renters they said ... we are all brosefs they said ! |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
98
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Posted - 2012.09.23 23:38:00 -
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In the state of the Coalition speech, Shadoo ranted that -A- treats their "pets" like ****.
Then went on to say it's okay for people to scam each other in the coalition, and falling for a scam will get you kicked.
I would need a flow chart to describe how ass backwards the HBC state of the Coalition was. |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1113
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:47:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Feel free to clue me in on the reality, if I'm way off base.
Situation Normal?
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1220
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Posted - 2012.09.24 04:35:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Feel free to clue me in on the reality, if I'm way off base. Situation Normal? vOv
This game is about hard choices. You shouldn't be able to afford ALL THE THINGS. You should have to weigh the importance of alliance programs (e.g., ship reimbursement) versus how much sov you want to hold versus whether you should accept renters to pay bills versus whatever. You should not be able to make enough money to have zero choices, the amount of ISK you make should not eliminate having to make any tough decisions.
Post-alchemy, hard choices are a factor of running a large nullsec alliance. Pre-alchemy, there were no tough decisions that needed to be made. Caldari Militia |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1079
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Posted - 2012.09.24 04:51:00 -
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can you stop spamming your godawful blog everywhere on the forums please it's most uncool |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1079
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Posted - 2012.09.24 04:51:00 -
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thx |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
379
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Posted - 2012.09.24 20:07:00 -
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TEST = the new BRUCE............. . #tweetfleet @Snot_Shot-á - GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" - Snot Shot - .....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
190
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Posted - 2012.09.25 00:48:00 -
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If it keeps the sov bills paid, the POSes fueled and the ship reimbursements rolling then frankly who cares. Goons has about 10x the tech we do and only 1.5 regions to pay for.
Even without the rental income the alliance is solvent enough that reimbursements are still going out and they just majorly expanded the delve JB network. The renters are just icing on the cake. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4863
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:18:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Then went on to say it's okay for people to scam each other in the coalition, and falling for a scam will get you kicked.
He didn't actually please leave |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1222
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Posted - 2012.09.25 06:05:00 -
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from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/affording-all-things.html
Reading a bunch of recent complaints from certain large nullsec blocs that they can no longer afford all of their space, that got me to writing a previous post (see first post in this thread) about the validity of those complaints. They struck me as odd, disingenuous, especially after thye just went through a flurry of nullsec expansion, helped along by a manipulated boom in technetium prices. The OTEC boom.
My opinion being, if you can't afford all of your new space, then you probably own too much of it. And if you want to continue to own all of that new space, then you're going to have to look to pruning programs or seeking out sources of income that you wouldn't have had to consider during the boom.
EVE Online is a game of choices. It's about prioritizing. We see this at every level of the game. Ship fitting, for instance. You cannot simply fit all the things onto your ship of choice. You have to make decisions, prioritize the important over the not-so-important. This module for that module, because your ship being able to do thing A is a tad more important to you than it being able to do thing B.
The same should apply to owning sovereignty and managing the alliance that controls it. What are the priorities of the organization? Is doing thing B more important than doing thing A? And if so, then thing A will have to be cutback or eliminated.
Let's take Goonswarm Federation as an example. During the last State of the Goonion on September 14 2012, The Mittani stated quite strongly that he felt alchemy should not have been introduced as a solution to high technetium prices without adding in a replacement source of income. In other words, Goonswarm should be able to continue affording all the things. It is unfair that they would now have to start prioritizing and making difficult choices. OTEC made everything very comfortable and cozy, and why should that not continue?
What sorts of things were Goonswarm affording during the technetium boom?
* sovereignty, plus expansion * jump bridge network * peacetime ship replacement for all members * super-capital subsidies * PLEX fund and payroll * New Eden-wide bounty program on mining ships (member and non-member program) * expanded wars in Branch, Tenal, Delve, and Tribute.
Basically, during the boom, they were affording all the things, plus some. This is not how it is supposed to be. And I'm sure The Mittani understands this quite well, but for some showmanship and some "Goonswarm is so hard done by" propaganda. Nullsec alliances should have to watch their cashflow, tighten their belts at times. A never-ending fountain of ISK is not what this game is about.
So now, choices have to be made. Perhaps they'll have to cancel their peacetime ship replacement policy, move to a wartime replacement policy only. Heavens forbid, that pilots may actually have to work like the rest of us for their non-war related hobbies (freighter ganking, general PvP, Blink, etc.). They may actually have to run missions or anomalies or incursions, or *gasp* mine asteroids.
Maybe to earn more, they look to non-sovereignty entities who hold technetium moons and say "We have operating costs. You barely have any. We'll take these moons off your hands, you can go mine neodymium." Fire up Goonswarm Intelligence to start sussing out all these tech moons that could be helping their cause, not fattening the wallets of folks who don't want the headache or expense of nullsec.
Alchemy has so far been good for the game. That doesn't mean there aren't fundamental problems with technetium (the industry bottleneck), and that there needs to be a grander overhaul of the system. But for now, it brings certain large nullsec alliances back to earth with the rest of us. Your game is going to be a lot more interesting now that you're once again faced with tough decisions.
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As a faction warfare player, I'm more than familiar with money trains. I've 10B ISK in ships and modules sitting in Egghelende. Another 11B ISK sitting in the wallet. Another 6B ISK in assets, waiting to be sold. And 12B ISK in loyalty points, waiting for a potential T5 cashout. All this due to some kooky financials in the faction warfare system. This mad cash disappears come winter. I'm not going to suggest that CCP replace one money train with another. I'll certainly miss that train, but I won't complain in the slightest that it's been taken away. Caldari Militia |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
71
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:02:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/affording-all-things.htmlAs a faction warfare player, I'm more than familiar with money trains. I've 10B ISK in ships and modules sitting in Egghelende. Another 11B ISK sitting in the wallet. Another 6B ISK in assets, waiting to be sold. And 12B ISK in loyalty points, waiting for a potential T5 cashout. All this due to some kooky financials in the faction warfare system. This mad cash disappears come winter. I'm not going to suggest that CCP replace one money train with another. I'll certainly miss that train, but I won't complain in the slightest that it's been taken away.
You base all of your arguments and knowledge off of assumptions about a part of Eve you know nothing about, and then you try to explain your logic by applying it to another scenario that shares limited to no context whatsoever.
1. You don't know anything about GSF's or the CFC's financial situation, you don't have the roles to few even a single wallet of any part of the CFC, you're not even a member.
2. You are not a part of sov warfare, you do not manage sov, so you have no grasp on the implications of affording/maintaining and retaining sov.
3, You're in FW and are complaining about other broken isk faucets?
Why do you write these pieces, usually most people actually research something before they start lecturing people on the way they are/meant to be. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1222
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:04:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Why do you write these pieces, usually most people actually research something before they start lecturing people on the way they are/meant to be. Yes, because the concept of overextending oneself is so very hard.
Caldari Militia |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
71
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Why do you write these pieces, usually most people actually research something before they start lecturing people on the way they are/meant to be. Yes, because the concept of overextending oneself is so very hard.
Apparently so. |
Lord Zim
1524
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:20:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Let's take Goonswarm Federation as an example. During the last State of the Goonion on September 14 2012, The Mittani stated quite strongly that he felt alchemy should not have been introduced as a solution to high technetium prices without adding in a replacement source of income. In other words, Goonswarm should be able to continue affording all the things. It is unfair that they would now have to start prioritizing and making difficult choices. OTEC made everything very comfortable and cozy, and why should that not continue? You're drawing the wrong conclusion, what we want is for CCP to do a proper job of moving the alliance income from a top-down, i.e. moongoo is one of the main income an alliance has, to a bottom-up income model, i.e. people in nullsec alliances are actually doing things in nullsec space, which in turn funds the alliance, which in turn funds such things as peacetime reimbursement/wartime reimbursement/etc. This includes such things as PI, ratting, mining and manufacturing. Currently I'm making more isk doing p1-p2 in hisec than I am doing p0-p2 in nullsec.
This would mean there's more activity in nullsec, which means roaming gangs would have more fish they could catch, and the inhabitants would have more of an incentive to defend against these roaming gangs instead of just docking/POSing up.
What, pray tell, is wrong with this wish? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilotn++ won't be jumping home. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1222
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:28:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:You're drawing the wrong conclusion, what we want is for CCP to do a proper job of moving the alliance income from a top-down, i.e. moongoo is one of the main income an alliance has, to a bottom-up income model, i.e. people in nullsec alliances are actually doing things in nullsec space, which in turn funds the alliance, which in turn funds such things as peacetime reimbursement/wartime reimbursement/etc. This includes such things as PI, ratting, mining and manufacturing. Currently I'm making more isk doing p1-p2 in hisec than I am doing p0-p2 in nullsec.
This would mean there's more activity in nullsec, which means roaming gangs would have more fish they could catch, and the inhabitants would have more of an incentive to defend against these roaming gangs instead of just docking/POSing up.
What, pray tell, is wrong with this wish? Nothing at all. Income through taxation. Hopefully CCP will get there. But for now, being able to afford only some of the things is acceptable. But maybe with renters and clever forms of income (Goonswarm are a clever bunch of people, after all), you'll still be able to afford all the things.
And when these bottom-up changes come down from on high ... you'll have a bunch of people/renters you can gleefully awox.
Caldari Militia |
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Lord Zim
1524
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:32:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hopefully CCP will get there. Judging by the way they keep working things lately (i.e. the last 3 ******* years), they won't. Don't hold your breath.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:But for now, being able to afford only some of the things is acceptable. We've been working on contingency plans for when tech was nerfed for a long time, we're fine. We won't be cutting peacetime reimbursements.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:And when these bottom-up changes come down from on high They won't.
(Here's hoping CCP will actually, for once, prove me wrong. If they do decide to prove me wrong, then for ****'s sake prove me wrong about the ******* sov system too. ****.) Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilotn++ won't be jumping home. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1222
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:39:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hopefully CCP will get there. Judging by the way they keep working things lately (i.e. the last 3 ******* years), they won't. Don't hold your breath. Sounds to me like The Mittani or Courthouse should be running for CSM8 then.
Caldari Militia |
Lord Zim
1524
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:47:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hopefully CCP will get there. Judging by the way they keep working things lately (i.e. the last 3 ******* years), they won't. Don't hold your breath. Sounds to me like The Mittani or Courthouse should be running for CSM8 then. Whomever leads the next CSM needs to have a huge cluebat to whack CCP across the head with, that's for damn sure. This year's CSM doesn't seem to have the balls to do so. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilotn++ won't be jumping home. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1222
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:52:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hopefully CCP will get there. Judging by the way they keep working things lately (i.e. the last 3 ******* years), they won't. Don't hold your breath. Sounds to me like The Mittani or Courthouse should be running for CSM8 then. Whomever leads the next CSM needs to have a huge cluebat to whack CCP across the head with, that's for damn sure. This year's CSM doesn't seem to have the balls to do so. Two of the only "nullsec" guys doing any work are in an alliance that doesn't hold sov. So, that's not helping. They make money hand over fist, without any overhead. (You really should go take all their tech moons from them.) Caldari Militia |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4872
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Two of the only "nullsec" guys doing any work are in an alliance that doesn't hold sov. So, that's not helping. They make money hand over fist, without any overhead. (You really should go take all their tech moons from them.)
PL does not have fixed expenses like Goonswarm but a large supercapital fleet isn't cheap to fuel either, nor is it cheap to reimburse fleet losses. please leave |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
381
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Posted - 2012.09.25 17:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Two of the only "nullsec" guys doing any work are in an alliance that doesn't hold sov. So, that's not helping. They make money hand over fist, without any overhead. (You really should go take all their tech moons from them.) PL does not have fixed expenses like Goonswarm but a large supercapital fleet isn't cheap to fuel either, nor is it cheap to reimburse fleet losses. GǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ.Now now letGÇÖs stop flinging the bull **** in here and get the facts straight.
First: PL hasnGÇÖt put their SC fleet in harms way since they went South so there is no GÇ£reimbursement fundGÇ¥ required there. As for the fleet reimbursements goGǪGǪGǪ..pleaseGǪGǪ.they use TEST as a shield in almost every fight so PL ends up losing a handful of ships that can be reimbursed with a couple hoursGÇÖ worth of TECHGǪ..
Second: Cost of fueling a SC fleetGǪGǪGǪ..I think they can find the isk for that under the seat cushions of the many stations they store their **** in and donGÇÖt have to pay for each monthGǪGǪ..GÇ¥FuelGÇ¥GǪGǪGǪ.
So letGÇÖs get to the real reason no one in the CFC is going to touch PLGÇÖs moons. TheyGÇÖre scared of PL. I get a chuckle out of the folks who think The Martini came up with OTECH just so a few Alliances could control the isk bottle neck in EVEGǪ.. He came up with the idea so he could put a leash on one of the only two Alliances (NCDot & PL) in the game which, together, could pose a serious threat to the Chuckle **** CoalitionGǪ..
PL has always had a thing for GÇôA-, while NCDot has always had a thing for shooting gooniesGǪGǪ.get one of these Alliances to stay GÇ£on the Tech pipeGÇ¥GǪGǪand your all setGǪGǪ..GÇ¥op successGÇ¥GǪ
LetGÇÖs face it, thereGÇÖs too many lazy vets controlling GÇ£the gameGÇ¥ who donGÇÖt have the time they use to for logging in to actually playGǪ..but they donGÇÖt want to let go. ItGÇÖs easier for them to make a few deals like this and collect the check..
Noobs donGÇÖt know any better and just want log in to GÇ£winGÇ¥.. I donGÇÖt blame them and tbh the ones recruiting the most to null sec are the CFC, which includes TEST, since theyGÇÖre all the same anyways. ThereGÇÖs no incentive to do anything else so until CCP nerfs TECH this will be the state of 0.0GǪGǪGǪGǪI think by December GÇôA- will be the only SOV holding Alliance in Null sec actually fighting the CFCGǪGǪ.yay.. .
#tweetfleet @Snot_Shot-á - GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" - Snot Shot - .....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4872
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Posted - 2012.09.25 17:59:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:Andski wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Two of the only "nullsec" guys doing any work are in an alliance that doesn't hold sov. So, that's not helping. They make money hand over fist, without any overhead. (You really should go take all their tech moons from them.) PL does not have fixed expenses like Goonswarm but a large supercapital fleet isn't cheap to fuel either, nor is it cheap to reimburse fleet losses. GǪGǪGǪ GǪGǪGǪ.Now now letGÇÖs stop flinging the bull **** in here and get the facts straight. First: PL hasnGÇÖt put their SC fleet in harms way since they went South so there is no GÇ£reimbursement fundGÇ¥ required there. As for the fleet reimbursements goGǪGǪ GǪ..pleaseGǪGǪ.they use TEST as a shield in almost every fight so PL ends up losing a handful of ships that can be reimbursed with a couple hoursGÇÖ worth of TECHGǪ.. Second: Cost of fueling a SC fleetGǪGǪGǪ..I think they can find the isk for that under the seat cushions of the many stations they store their **** in and donGÇÖt have to pay for each monthGǪGǪ..GÇ¥FuelGÇ¥GǪGǪGǪ. So letGÇÖs get to the real reason no one in the CFC is going to touch PLGÇÖs moons. TheyGÇÖre scared of PL. I get a chuckle out of the folks who think The Martini came up with OTECH just so a few Alliances could control the isk bottle neck in EVEGǪ.. He came up with the idea so he could put a leash on one of the only two Alliances (NCDot & PL) in the game which, together, could pose a serious threat to the Chuckle **** CoalitionGǪ.. PL has always had a thing for GÇôA-, while NCDot has always had a thing for shooting gooniesGǪGǪ.get one of these Alliances to stay GÇ£on the Tech pipeGÇ¥GǪGǪand your all setGǪGǪ..GÇ¥op successGÇ¥GǪ LetGÇÖs face it, thereGÇÖs too many lazy vets controlling GÇ£the gameGÇ¥ who donGÇÖt have the time they use to for logging in to actually playGǪ..but they donGÇÖt want to let go. ItGÇÖs easier for them to make a few deals like this and collect the check.. Noobs donGÇÖt know any better and just want log in to GÇ£winGÇ¥.. I donGÇÖt blame them and tbh the ones recruiting the most to null sec are the CFC, which includes TEST, since theyGÇÖre all the same anyways. ThereGÇÖs no incentive to do anything else so until CCP nerfs TECH this will be the state of 0.0GǪGǪGǪGǪI think by December GÇôA- will be the only SOV holding Alliance in Null sec actually fighting the CFCGǪGǪ.yay.. .
remember when you were cheerleading for PL please leave |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1233
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:30:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:Andski wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Two of the only "nullsec" guys doing any work are in an alliance that doesn't hold sov. So, that's not helping. They make money hand over fist, without any overhead. (You really should go take all their tech moons from them.) PL does not have fixed expenses like Goonswarm but a large supercapital fleet isn't cheap to fuel either, nor is it cheap to reimburse fleet losses. GǪGǪGǪ GǪGǪGǪ.Now now letGÇÖs stop flinging the bull **** in here and get the facts straight. First: PL hasnGÇÖt put their SC fleet in harms way since they went South so there is no GÇ£reimbursement fundGÇ¥ required there. As for the fleet reimbursements goGǪGǪ GǪ..pleaseGǪGǪ.they use TEST as a shield in almost every fight so PL ends up losing a handful of ships that can be reimbursed with a couple hoursGÇÖ worth of TECHGǪ.. Second: Cost of fueling a SC fleetGǪGǪGǪ..I think they can find the isk for that under the seat cushions of the many stations they store their **** in and donGÇÖt have to pay for each monthGǪGǪ..GÇ¥FuelGÇ¥GǪGǪGǪ. So letGÇÖs get to the real reason no one in the CFC is going to touch PLGÇÖs moons. TheyGÇÖre scared of PL. I get a chuckle out of the folks who think The Martini came up with OTECH just so a few Alliances could control the isk bottle neck in EVEGǪ.. He came up with the idea so he could put a leash on one of the only two Alliances (NCDot & PL) in the game which, together, could pose a serious threat to the Chuckle **** CoalitionGǪ.. PL has always had a thing for GÇôA-, while NCDot has always had a thing for shooting gooniesGǪGǪ.get one of these Alliances to stay GÇ£on the Tech pipeGÇ¥GǪGǪand your all setGǪGǪ..GÇ¥op successGÇ¥GǪ LetGÇÖs face it, thereGÇÖs too many lazy vets controlling GÇ£the gameGÇ¥ who donGÇÖt have the time they use to for logging in to actually playGǪ..but they donGÇÖt want to let go. ItGÇÖs easier for them to make a few deals like this and collect the check.. Noobs donGÇÖt know any better and just want log in to GÇ£winGÇ¥.. I donGÇÖt blame them and tbh the ones recruiting the most to null sec are the CFC, which includes TEST, since theyGÇÖre all the same anyways. ThereGÇÖs no incentive to do anything else so until CCP nerfs TECH this will be the state of 0.0GǪGǪGǪGǪI think by December GÇôA- will be the only SOV holding Alliance in Null sec actually fighting the CFCGǪGǪ.yay.. . Perhaps Technetium needs to only reside in sov nullsec ... empire and npc nullsec should be the domain of alchemy.
If someone wants to give PL sov moons, then so be it ... otherwise they have to hold sov .
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Posted - 2012.09.25 19:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:remember when you were cheerleading for PL You know IGÇÖm not afraid to call it like I see it and who could blame PL. No SOV expenses, gets 10 CFC AllianceGÇÖs to babysit their moons, collects a check for keeping goonies blue.................and takes the isk from their moons and uses some of it to keep TEST afloat with loansGǪGǪGǪGǪ..which in turn enslaves TEST as their new pet Alliance for years to comeGǪ..
The circle of 0.0 lifeGǪGǪGǪ .
#tweetfleet @Snot_Shot-á - GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" - Snot Shot - .....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Posted - 2012.09.25 19:29:00 -
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Moroccan Tourist wrote:TEST is one step closer to become like -A- , no renters they said ... we are all brosefs they said ! I gotta be honest here..........I actually giggle each time I open these TEST "free space" poasters......
TEST Alliance Offers You.....Free Space.....uhmmm.......well......for only 4.5 bill.....
So did -A- really lose the war.........or is it still goin on...... . #tweetfleet @Snot_Shot-á - GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" - Snot Shot - .....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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