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Hwong Jian	Posted - 2011.08.16 17:45:00 - [1] I posted this in another thread. But, I feel that it is still relevant to discussions currently being held and so I wanted to toot my own horn and give it a bit more recognition. Especially since it is a staggeringly ignored statistic. Originally by: Hwong Jian Part of the pro and anti arguments that is really bothering me is the "kids" and "parents' money" statements. EVE has (had?) around 360k active accounts. The average age per EVE account is 31 years old. I really don't think there's such an abundance of 16-18 year olds playing that they could exert any real influence over the trends in this game, one way or another. It's not "mommy and daddy's credit cards" that pay for EVE. It's people that balance such wonderful complexities as a mortgage/rent, insurance, car payments, groceries, the expenses of being a parent and other debts along with their leisure time. With the average age of EVE players sitting at 31, it is reasonable for one to assume that more than half of EVE's playerbase has outgrown fiscal irresponsibility. A majority of EVE players are probably fairly frugal with there real money. In-game currency, though, is an entirely different story. But, please, ** off with your "mommy's credit card" sentiments. Those players are an even smaller percentage of EVE than the industry average of players who also participate on forums. Seriously, ** off. Get a reasoned and reasonable argument, perception or stance.
Sabdual	Posted - 2011.08.16 17:58:00 - [2] Old man here... and still playing Eve. and other games every now and then.
shellree Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:03:00 - [3] 36 here and still going strong
Takamori Maruyama Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:19:00 - [4] 22 years here
Dub Step Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:25:00 - [5] I don't even think about the possibility of people actually paying for this game since it's laughably easy to make enough passively to pay for accounts with PLEX. Of course, someone has to, I just pay it no mind usually. I rarely see 'daddies credit card' being referred to though. I must be reading the wrong smacktalk.
Aldan Romar Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:26:00 - [6] Edited by: Aldan Romar on 16/08/2011 18:26:10 Nearing 40 and squandering my own hard earned cash on NEX items... To put it in the words of George Best: "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars - the rest I just squandered." My stance: I make more ISK an hour working my job than grinding EVE, so when I feel like wanting to buy PLEX to sell for ISK, I do it...
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:27:00 - [7] Please post the statistic that is staggering and ignored. There were no stats and you said there would be. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Tom Gerard Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:31:00 - [8] Just for the record I do not consider this post to be a troll... BAZINGA!
Lord Izanami Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:32:00 - [9] Old men... Running the world. _________________________________ It's better to rage in hell than serve in heaven.
Hwong Jian	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Cipher Jones Please post the statistic that is staggering and ignored. There were no stats and you said there would be. No, there were no stats. Just the one statistic that was included in the OP. Perhaps your common eyewear is making you incapable of noticing things? Or did the accident that removed your eye also remove important portions of your cerebellum? I'm sorry, monocle wearer, but we have no use for individuals who are incapable of maintaining a decent state of repair on their own bodies.
Zirse Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:39:00 - [11] I'm going to agree with you here, but please everyone, don't ask this guy to do anything with numbers.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.16 19:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Hwong Jian Originally by: Cipher Jones Please post the statistic that is staggering and ignored. There were no stats and you said there would be. No, there were no stats. Just the one statistic that was included in the OP. Perhaps your common eyewear is making you incapable of noticing things? Or did the accident that removed your eye also remove important portions of your cerebellum? I'm sorry, monocle wearer, but we have no use for individuals who are incapable of maintaining a decent state of repair on their own bodies. Quote: Statistics is the study of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data. For an average age of 31, you sure are quick to fly off at the mouth. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.16 19:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Hwong Jian Because I felt it deserved its own topic... You were wrong.
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.08.16 19:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Sabdual Old man here... and still playing Eve. and other games every now and then. Same here!
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services	Posted - 2011.08.16 19:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Hwong Jian I really don't think there's such an abundance of 16-18 year olds playing You clearly did your research and posted accurate numbers. I'm so proud of you. Jill xoxoxox
Natalia Otomeya	Posted - 2011.08.16 19:58:00 - [16] I am 15, and no I don't want your candy.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.08.16 20:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Natalia Otomeya I am 15, and no I don't want your candy. Shut up and get in the van! - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.16 20:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Feligast Originally by: Hwong Jian Because I felt it deserved its own topic... You were wrong.
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2011.08.16 20:37:00 - [19] Where is the link to the source of this obviously not made-up statistic? Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Kevric Talocan Scrap Metal and Recycling Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.16 20:49:00 - [20] Originally by: KaarBaak Where is the link to the source of this obviously not made-up statistic? http://virtual-economy.org/blog/interview_with_ccp_eve_currenc This source, from 2006, has the average age at 27.
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.16 21:52:00 - [21] Don't forget retirees whose kids have moved out, that own a LazyBoy (AND a place to put it!) Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.16 22:15:00 - [22] Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 16/08/2011 22:18:15 Originally by: Hwong Jian I posted this in another thread. But, I feel that it is still relevant to discussions currently being held and so I wanted to toot my own horn and give it a bit more recognition. Especially since it is a staggeringly ignored statistic. Originally by: Hwong Jian Part of the pro and anti arguments that is really bothering me is the "kids" and "parents' money" statements. EVE has (had?) around 360k active accounts. The average age per EVE account is 31 years old. I really don't think there's such an abundance of 16-18 year olds playing that they could exert any real influence over the trends in this game, one way or another. It's not "mommy and daddy's credit cards" that pay for EVE. It's people that balance such wonderful complexities as a mortgage/rent, insurance, car payments, groceries, the expenses of being a parent and other debts along with their leisure time. With the average age of EVE players sitting at 31, it is reasonable for one to assume that more than half of EVE's playerbase has outgrown fiscal irresponsibility. A majority of EVE players are probably fairly frugal with there real money. In-game currency, though, is an entirely different story. But, please, ** off with your "mommy's credit card" sentiments. Those players are an even smaller percentage of EVE than the industry average of players who also participate on forums. Seriously, off. Get a reasoned and reasonable argument, perception or stance. Well, from an "anti" standpoint, I guess, the worry is that although, sure, the kids are a relatively unimportant now, if the game goes the way some fear it might (especially given "Fearless", the devblog responses and the leaked email), CCP are looking to replace 300k more-adult game population with - what 500k, 600k with a greater proportion of kids (with daddy's credit card). That's the demographic lots of MMO makers seem to be hunting these days, and the worry is that CCP's making moon eyes at the same demographic. The reason it's a worry is because it will mean the nature of EVE will inevitably have to change, if that's the target demographic - it will have to be more of a casual game, more instant fun, etc., etc., as most MMOs are these days. Gone would be the sandbox - or it might exist,but as a sort of legacy "reservation" within the game, with relatively little resources devoted to it (more resources being devoted to making the game short-term fun). *** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.16 22:28:00 - [23] I pay EVE for no money. With three accounts. ____________ Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!

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