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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Dirk Decibel
BTW, the API only allows for updating order/order status ONCE PER HOUR. Now what does that mean? That means you will have to manually go through the data you imported the rest of that hour. That only leaves one benefit: the fact that Mentat colors your own orders. A feature that should be included in the EVE client really and in no way a 'bot' feature.
I spent 10 second thinking over and solving this problem, finding a way that Mentat could easily spot your updated order with _very_ high probability.
So the ONCE PER HOUR limitation is cow dung easy to circumvent and anything you would want from a market bot that keeps track of orders in need of updating is possible. I've always wondered why certain traders managed to update order within minutes as if they were bots, yet not get banned... Turns out they were using the equivalent of a bot. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Decibel
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Dirk Decibel
BTW, the API only allows for updating order/order status ONCE PER HOUR. Now what does that mean? That means you will have to manually go through the data you imported the rest of that hour. That only leaves one benefit: the fact that Mentat colors your own orders. A feature that should be included in the EVE client really and in no way a 'bot' feature.
I spent 10 second thinking over and solving this problem, finding a way that Mentat could easily spot your updated order with _very_ high probability.
Unless it reads from the EVE client automated and directly, that still doesn't make it a bot 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c96OhoYvgW0&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s Link
Yet Mentat does read the cache files to get the up-to-date market orders, and CCP seems not to care since the Mentat thread is still accessible on the forums and no one has been banned.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marchocias
The IGB link in Mentat is not because:
- The script is internal (running in a process spawned by the Eve executable).
- It is not making your character perform any actions.
Mentat still reads the CACHE FILES, which is supposedly NOT ALLOWED.
Therefor BAN all the cheating bot-using scum.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Johnathan Roark
Originally by: Sjugar
yet Zymurgist is pretty sure this isn't allowed. Where is the big difference?
There are actually several differences:
1) its performing an action that directly effects game play (flashing the red light), its not just gathering data.
So the only difference is that the Mentat developer forgot to add automated notification? It's dirt easy to changing things to read the cache files regularly and check for the need to update, then alert the user.
And what exactly is the difference between a red light on your keyboard versus a red table cell?
Originally by: Johnathan Roark
2) Its scraping the client itself, not just cache files. (ccp could easily stop the reading of cache files if they chose to)
Why is it 'just cache files'? The tool above only sc****s 'just the screen', they're both just data the client dumps into RAM buffers.
Originally by: Johnathan Roark
3) Its not using any of the ccp provided methods
So cache files were provided by CCP?
Originally by: Johnathan Roark
4) There is no export function to get any data from local, there is for market data
At 1 hour intervals... We also get export functions for solar system statistics.
Oh... wait... that means there _IS_ export functions to get some data from local... Does that mean everything else you said this thread is wrong too? I think it does.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Callean Drevus
I think the difference between the two is somewhere in the magnitude of the ingame advantage :)
Yes, I agree... The magnitude is completely different.
For one, you're just risking the loss of a couple million ISK at most, while the other we're talking billions upon billions in ISK.
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