Originally by: Lambert Eskel

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Surprisingly you CAN access Tranquility while in China, I was there for a duration in June/July and had no problem playing on Tranquility. And there are a few Chinese based players on Tranquility if you visit the Chinese chat channel, to some of them it's the step up from their out of date home server.

Ofcourse I don't doubt China's internet censorship laws have bearings on why we have two servers, but if my experience is still the case, you can choose which server to play on. Also, another reason is perhaps CCP thinks it would be better business in the Asian market if the experience was more lag free. Tranquility was playable in China but with noticeably more lag than say in the U.S. where I normally play.

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Originally by: WeirdNoise

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Edited by: WeirdNoise on 24/08/2011 11:19:02
1/ You have NO idea what it's like on the chinese server.
2/ Your idealism is leading you to saying stupid things where reality is concerned.

There are chinese players on Tranquility indeed, ask them how life is on the Chinese server side.

News we got from one of them years ago :

- 2 mega-alliances own everything
- CEO of Alliance n¦1 is also CEO of an ISKselling company (a real one, out of game).
- players are forced to slave for one of the two alliances
- those who try to play independently are "harvested" every day. It's the word he used, he said they call it "the harvest".

Every morning, Alliance PKs roam the galaxy in search of non-affiliated players and make short work of them. These Alliance PKs do nothing but PKing, their ships and equipment being provided by their alliance.

In short, the Chinese are hyper collectivistic imperialistic slaveminded nutjobs and you do NOT want them over here. Except in that it would surely make for an interesting cultural clash, it might likely ruin 99% of western players' gameplay.

Next time, think a little before daydreaming about "the more the merrier" and "unity". You rainbow pony.

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Originally by: Caldari Citizen20110707

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its to counter RTM, in europ we need to work 1,5 hours rl for 1 billion isk, in russia u need to work 10 hours for 1 billion in china u need to work 50 hours for 1 billion.

Would u RTM if u can simply make 8 billion a day afk with a bot that compares to 800 hours of rl work?

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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon

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Legal reasons. Only a chinese company is allowed to run a MMO there.

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Originally by: Tom Gerard

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Edited by: Tom Gerard on 24/08/2011 12:20:04

The Easy Answer:

FACT: China has a government that cares for its people.

FACT: China has difficulty educating everyone.

FACT: China's main goals are based in reality.

FACT: The Internet has the potential to cause problems.

FACT: China does not wish to be distracted from caring for their people.

FACT: The "Firewall" compromise is a balance of individual rights and overall good.


OPINION: China as a communist state has some pretty flawed thinking and would have much fewer problems as a democracy, that being said they have been doing a pretty good job. Their people are well fed, well housed, and desperate for an improved education system. China is actively working on improving education, but feels the internet knowledge could do more harm than good if not placed in-context.

SARCASM:
Who ever heard about getting "Bad information" off the internet?

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Originally by: Facist Monk

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keeps most of the bots on 1 server....

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Originally by: Sgt Blade

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I take it no one here has spent a long time in China before?

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Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly

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Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11

Originally by: Emiko P'eng

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The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward.

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Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place?

I think you rely too much on the BBC as a source though. They are as equally bias as any news you'd get in China. While the BBC are quite diligent when telling you about all the awful things that happen in places like China, they neglect to point out that all of those things happen in the UK as well. There are moves afoot to require all online services - even personal blogs - to have verified ID at the application layer (it already exists at the network layer), Internet bans for those who P2P or "illegally" download, mandatory data-retention and across-the-board surveillance, censorship in the UK has been alive and well for a long time and has already been introduced to the Internet through a change to the terms of the licensing for ISPs (the change being made after Parliament had specifically voted down "national firewall" legislation), two British guys just got sent to prison for four years after chatting online words to the effect of "let's meet up and see if it kicks off" prior to an expected street disturbance, and a student was recently freed on appeal after having been in prison for over two years after he downloaded a public document from the US Dept of Justice website deemed by UK authorities to be "illegal".

Chinese have probably got a faster server than the Brits and pay less for it. Other than that, life in both countries is pretty much the same.

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Originally by: Ciar Meara

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Originally by: Mors Magne

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I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend?

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Then your girlfriend was:

A: Not chinese

B: Working for the Peoples republic of China to brainwash you.

C: Not real

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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There is a lot of willful ignorance for the sake of political correctness and fear of being called racist in this thread. Fact is, Chinese nationals ruin gameplay and economics on MMOs where ever they are allowed to play in large numbers. Their way of playing MMOs is not compatible with the way most of the rest of the world plays, and is the real reason they have their own server.

That's not racism - that is reality. To pretend it isn't, and to pretend we don't all know it, is mass self delusion.

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Originally by: Optic Chiasm

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Edited by: Optic Chiasm on 25/08/2011 12:49:02

Originally by: Jada Maroo

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There is a lot of willful ignorance for the sake of political correctness and fear of being called racist in this thread. Fact is, Chinese nationals ruin gameplay and economics on MMOs where ever they are allowed to play in large numbers. Their way of playing MMOs is not compatible with the way most of the rest of the world plays, and is the real reason they have their own server.

That's not racism - that is reality. To pretend it isn't, and to pretend we don't all know it, is mass self delusion.

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True.

Although i am not a Chinese, but i am pretty sure that the Chinese government does not prohibit their people from connecting to foreign servers at all, so the government censorship is the LAST explanation for the existence of Chinese server.


Basically they abuse gameplay mechanisms, imagine a EVE world that 50% of the players are can flippers or ninja salvagers. Imagine getting private chat spams in mission hubs, "You doing Lv4s? can u fleet me up so i can share your isk and standings?", but only shows up when salvaging your wrecks, without asking you in advance.

Of course these behaviors are totally legal in game, but that can ruin other players' gaming experience.

When the Chinese players in other online games want to bypass the well-known censorship, they go to Taiwanese (a small democratic country right next to China) servers, because they speak almost the same language. I know Chinese players caused lots of unpleasants in games such as WOW's Taiwan server because of their behaviors.


In order to keep the gaming environment healthy, the Chines IP is banned by many popular online games in Asia. If the game company still wants the huge Chinese market, they just make a special Chinese server for them.


If u can read Chinese, here are some reading materials for u to get more understandings on this issue.

http://home.donews.com/donews/article/6/61869.html
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_48ec437801000axc.html
http://www.51t.com/news/52Bd99YuBc9FAfF9/

All the articles are written in Chinese and by Chinese, discussing why Chinese players are not welcomed by online games around the world.


Yes, there is a Chinese version of EVE, but the internet censorship is the LAST explanation for its existence, since the Chinese government dosent prohibit their people from playing on foreign severs (such as TQ) AT ALL.

Originally by: Constantine Arcanum

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It's now 'kou ke ke le' (if i remember correctly) which means 'it's delicious, you'll smile'

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Coca-Cola = 可口可樂 = 可口可乐 = "ke kou ke le" not "kou ke ke le"
Your translation is a little bit weird,
but i cant say its wrong :P

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Originally by: mishkof

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Originally by: Chopper Rollins

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Okay kids, China has a Confucian set of values that value Harmony more than Truth.
That might sound weird/awful to some of you but remember, European culture is only recently out of it'd dark ages and is chaotic in comparison. The translation of Coca-Cola had to be reworked because it came out as something like 'new flavor, out with the old' which doesn't go down well with Confucian filial piety.
They are also a shame culture, rather than a guilt culture like yours. Try to get your head around these important concepts before you start burping about who is free or totalitarian. I hear US Republicans vilifying people as flawed who disagree with them, a hallmark of totalitarian thought. A nation of over a billion has to be orderly, or the weight of so many atomised individuals would tear the place to shreds in weeks.
None of you can trace your family trees back very far, not compared to the Chinese man i met in Singapore who could recite from memory his lineage going back 2000 years.

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That is funnny that you think the governmental contorol in China has anything to do with religion...I have a bridge I would love to sell to someone like you.

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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Even more spam than is already endured and massive amounts more botting, RMT, and exploitation is "quite welcome" to you?

Only thing I can suggest is try playing another MMO where the China isn't put on its own server and let me know if you still welcome them flooding Tranquility.

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