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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.08.27 21:02:00 -
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http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/eve-university-as-npc-corporation.html
Granted, I heard this second-hand, from a source that has access to the director and management forums, but it strikes me as true. CCP does view EVE University as a valuable player retention tool and has invalidated certain types of war declarations against it in the past.
CCP apparently approached Kelduum Revaan, CEO of EVE University, with a tentative offer of turning EVE University into an NPC corporation, though one that is still managed by players, thus solving the University's war declaration annoyances.
If the plan were to pass CCP final approval, and Kelduum accepted, he was also to be offered a position within CCP to run this new EVE University and act as the new player liaison.
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Good or bad for the game? I can see it from both sides. Good for new player retention. It could become the defacto corporation that new players join at the start of the game.
Bad in that it offers carebears a relatively safe haven from non-Concordable PvP within a proper player-run corporate environment.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.08.27 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Four OfThree They offer valuable training and are a valuable asset to Eve.
They are definitely a good training corporation for new players. And players passing through the University more often than not end up playing the game for years. The retention rate for new players that don't discover E-Uni is much much lower.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.08.27 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Assuming this isn't a troll ...
Not at all. This is what I was told by an E-Uni manager. And it is what Kelduum told his directors and managers. It is supposed to be hush-hush.
The E-Uni manager could have been bull****ting the few of us in channel, but I doubt it. That would have been out of character for her/him.
As for the 11% tax (versus the Uni's usual 7.5% tax) ... I doubt such details have been discussed.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.08.28 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes E-U does *not* teach people to be blobs... Try harder, that was pretty dam lame, tbqh...
No, just the tactics they use teach people if you've got enough ships no matter how cheap and ****ty they are, you can win.
One skilled pilot against a blob of newbies in crappy ships and you can take pick it apart.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/medal-for-badassery-goes-to.html
Uni doesn't teach blob tactics. Nullsec does that much better. The Uni simply has a lot of members that want to go on PvP roams. And lately, the so-called blobs haven't been much more than 15-20 ships. Hardly a blob and rarely competitive in regions like Curse.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.08.28 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 28/08/2011 06:35:19
Originally by: Magnus Orin Probably a troll (not the OP, it was the OP who was trolled), but this would set an incredibly bad precedent if it were true.
No. I've known of this info for over three weeks. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on it though. I can see the benefits to CCP (increased player retention), and the negatives (avoidance of normal PvP game mechanics.)
But since I've been asked to leave for questioning some of the more contradictory Uni rules, I see no reason to keep it a secret. It's not like I can be kicked out over it now. Which is why I didn't bring it up before :) It starts a good, interesting dialogue.
I'm not bitter towards EVE University. For all their pimples and warts, they are still a good organization, and Kelduum is still a quality guy. I still think he should run and be elected to the next CSM. But possible special considerations like this, aimed towards a single player-run corporation, they should be discussed openly with the playerbase. It affects an area of the game for good and bad.
You'll notice I'm not arguing any one point of view. I'm not arguing that's it's a terrible idea. Nor am I arguing that it's a great idea. I'm just reading all the different valid points of view.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.08.28 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 28/08/2011 07:35:50
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So what are these 'contradictory' rules you got booted for arguing against?
The fact that anyone, during war, can scout for a fleet in a T1 Frigate or an Interceptor, and not prove that they have any skills in actual scouting, but as soon as you would like to do it in a cov ops ship, you suddenly have to prove proficiency at scouting. They seem to feel that losing cov ops ships entices people to war dec them. You need to be certified by people who aren't certified themselves to fly cov ops. (Whereas, you can freely fly Heavy Interdictors around without knowing what you're doing at all.) Some of the contradictions in their rules annoyed me.
And while I mostly agree with their wartime operating procedures (WSOP), I also feel they are counter-productive at a times and should allow for more flexibility depending on the type of wardec the Uni receives. (Also, the Uni does not prepare its students at all for operating under a wardec, it's simply a case of dock up and do nothing, so folks leaving the Uni afterwards for corps with more relaxed wardec procedures likely end up killed a lot because they don't know how to make effective use of d-scan, local, etc. to watch and prepare for war targets.) To some extent the Uni really only prepares you to be a carebear, they hide and shelter themselves from some of the harsher realities of the game. I think the Uni could do more in that area to train and prepare players.
I also complained about inactivity at the management and director levels within the Uni. Most of those people rarely log on or interact with the Uni in any way whatsoever, yet they retain their positions. Folks that are much lower rank work their asses off to propose good and interesting changes. Then weeks later some director logs on, looks at their well-reasoned forum proposal and replies with a simple "No." Zero explanation for the negative reply. It disheartens people who put a lot of time and effort into the organization.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.28 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Stiller Poetic, I too am starting to see some of E-Uni's rules as counterproductive and do question whether there are better alternatives given that anyone can access recordings of their classes. OTOH, I'm pretty sure that the pages of rules restrict my ability to discuss E-Uni on these forums. I've set my standing towards you to excellent. If you do have a plan in mind for a young future PvP pilot, feel free to send me an Eve Mail.
Yeah, be careful what you say publicly. Criticising too often gets you a boot out the door. Thankfully I got my boot just as I earned my graduate medal. Warts aside, I'm quite proud of my E-Uni medal.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.29 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 29/08/2011 01:58:05
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan In short, Poetic here was accounting for around 50% of my workload ...
Actually, since you and I don't talk all that often, it might be a fairer assessment that the people *****ing to you about my posts were accounting for 50% of your workload. So not me, but the whinier members of your staff. (Azmodeus really needs to calm down, stop powertripping, and telling people where they can and cannot post. CAOD, fine, but otherwise, we're free to chat where we want, otherwise ban all Uni communication everywhere but the E-Uni sites.) :)
As for me yapping on the EN24 site ... you guys are too overly worried that anything anyone ever says is going to cause a wardec. No one has wardecced you over anything I've ever said ... so no worries.
Anyhow. No hard feelings. I still support Kelduum for CSM7 and you have my vote.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.29 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game.
Enough said. It was a suggestion in a list of suggestions to CCP on how to improve EVE University's function in-game. There might have been conversation on the issue after the list was submitted. How serious that conversation was (and might still be), only you and CCP know for sure. But this is obviously the truth. What I heard was obviously overamplified somewhat (as is the case in a lot of second-hand information, but the kernel of truth was still there.)
Originally by: Silentbrick The only times I ever remember this being discussed on the Director forums was as one of our jokes.
You might want to read Kelduum's post before you post obvious b.s., in the future.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.29 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel You might want to read Kelduum's post before you post obvious b.s.
You mean, like this part: ôI don't recall CCP suggesting that E-UNI become an NPC Corp, or otherwise become immune to war.ö
Yes, maybe you should read what he posted. 
I did read it. CCP didn't initially suggest it. You are correct. The information I heard was incorrect on that point. The kernel of the information was true, as it was Kelduum who suggested it to CCP. Whether the conversation between the two organizations was short-lived or is ongoing, we do not know.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.29 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 08:48:29
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel The kernel of the information was true, as it was Kelduum who suggested it to CCP.
Not that either, since what he suggested was having them listed as part of CONCORD ù the faction ù not making them an NPC corp. The kernel wasn't true ù it was confused and warped.
And what would be the point of that if not to alter the ability to be wardecced? Curious.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.29 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 29/08/2011 15:30:04
Originally by: Xolani1990 Poetic, I really think you should start writing for EVE News 24 yourself, with the level of journalistic competency and integrity you encapsulate.
First of all, not a journalist, nor do I claim to be.
I write on topics that interest me.
What was told to me might have been slightly exaggerated, but the point that EVE University wants to have NPC Corporation mechanics applied to it, so as to avoid wardecs, is accurate.
Kelduum himself backs this up:
- He states he communicates regularly with CCP on games issues that could make EVE University's corporate existence easier. That is his job after all, as CEO of EVE University. His job is to further the goals of the University and make the game better for his students/employees.
- He states that he compiled, for CCP, a list of game mechanic changes that could be made that would facilitate making EVE University's corporate existence easier.
- He states that in the list was the suggestion of adding EVE University to an NPC "faction".
I think he backed up the main issue in the article: EVE University as a semi-NPC corporate entity.
The only question is how seriously did CCP take the suggestion, and how much conversation has there been (or is still ongoing) in that direction.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.29 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Goddess Ishtar
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel I write on topics that interest me.
Based on your post history you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Eve University.
*shrug*
I was with E-Uni for 3 months. What else was I going to write about? It's not like E-Uni actually develops relationships with other corps that I could have written about. The E-Uni principle is to keep as low a profile as possible, lest people wardec them. It's all about the wardecs, ya know! :)
Maybe I'll write about the overview window next, and the podsaver tab. Why one shouldn't bounce to the sun (if one doesn't have safe spots) when an emergency scramble is called in fleet. :)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Khanh'rhh At least one in 50 tweets (in total) is her spamming links to her blog (she manages about 10 in the posts here!) which are incessant suppositions and rambles about things "she heard" or "knows from someone who knows" -- essentially trying to sound important and knowledgeable about issues she knows **** all about.
You are probably correct. I will reduce the amount of "Hey, look at my blog" spam.
Quote: As a final nail into the coffin of any credibility, she deletes any comments on her blog that she doesn't agree with, or point out errors in the post (such as rampant hear-say) There were several on this article alone. I know, I posted one of them.
This is sort of true. Though I've only ever deleted three comments. Two were of the "Aren't you a precious little ***" variety, and yours wasn't much better. I have some negative comments on the blog, but they're at least intelligently written. :)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 08:22:00 -
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Well, that was fun.
A bit of short-lived vindictive fun. Kelduum b!tched that I was kicked because I'd increased his workload (in reality it was his whiny staff who increased his workload), so figured, as a parting gesture, I'd increase the whine from his subordinates three-fold for a few days. :) If there is one thing the Uni hates, it is being the center of any negative attention, it defeats the purpose of being low-profile. (That EN24 troll, as bad and illiterate and unfocused as it was, had the Uni in an angry whirl for days.)
That, and he kicked me for a fairly innocuous post that criticised the need for covert ops certifications in the UNI (counter-productive and contradictory.)
Did I blow something out of proportion? Yes. Definitely. Isn't that what trolling is all about? The idea of E-UNI becoming part of an NPC faction/alliance was second hand info, but I knew it was true at the heart (if the exact details were likely to be muddled/exaggerated.) I knew it to be something Kelduum had mentioned to his director/management troops. (Kelduum loves to keep his people informed on his direct dealings with CCP.) Unlike the EN24 troll, at least I knew there was something factual at the heart of it. The Uni hates leaks of that sort more than anything else.
This thread couldn't have maintained itself for much more than a page of posts ... until Kelduum posted. That was total win, since he pretty much verified himself that he had indeed sent off such a suggestion to CCP. (He should have remained silent.) Once he had posted, it was easy to re-quote him in such a way as to control and direct the conversation into one specific area ... E-UNI as unwardeccable. And yes, he probably didn't take his suggestion to CCP very seriously (I wonder, though, how seriously CCP, the corporation of bad decisions, took the suggestion?)
If there's anything EVE Online players cannot stand, it is the idea of any group of players getting special privilege from CCP.
The extra bonus win was Silentbrick's post. (That dude should not be allowed to speak for the Uni. He's the worst director the Uni has, is never online, and wears his e-peen title like a crown of gold.) Dude, should have at least read his boss' post first.
Good fun. My little snit/tantrum is over. I'm still proud to have been a Unista. I still think the University has a valuable role to play in EVE Online. And the University still has a great number of excellent people (minus a number of no-show directors and managers. The UniWiki states the Uni is a meritocracy, but it is far from it.)
I still think Kelduum is a pretty great guy. I still believe he'd be a great representative for CSM7. The only director at the Uni who is involved with the Uni on a daily basis.
Anyhow, good fun for a couple days. With the new forums coming, this thread will be dead soon enough.
There's still the question of why Kelduum would have thought moving the Uni into an NPC faction/alliance might be a good idea (yeah, he does hate wardecs), and how seriously CCP took the idea. But if it was something CCP might have been considering, hopefully it is no longer on the table.
Personally, I still think wardec prices should be increased ... or at least an option to re-bribe CONCORD to end a war. The Uni's wardec problems aren't so much the wardecs themselves as a) they are dirt cheap, and b) the Uni WSOP (Defcon 5). The Uni could solve half its problems by creating a more flexible WSOP (they've gone someway towards that with their Relaxed WSOP, but not far enough.)
As an aside, it would be helpful for developing good Uni policy if someone were to set aside 10B ISK and dec the Uni for 6 months straight. They couldn't stay bottled up that long, and if they did, it would decimate their membership. They'd have to implement change to survive.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Poetic spouted off some hearsay, uni directors pretty much tell him he got trolled and he burns what little credibility he had left trying to claim that things Kelduum has said as a joke were in fact serious.
It wasn't a joke suggestion, though. Kelduum is not in the habit of sending off a list of suggestions to CCP, along with a special section labelled HUMOURS. Kelduum's not in the habit of wasting CCP's time. It was a serious suggestion, even if Kelduum didn't place much stock in CCP taking it seriously. If CCP had taken it seriously (they may have to some degree, who knows), I'm sure he would have been happier than hell. No more wardecs. Kelduum (and most of the membership) would love a University that couldn't be wardecced non-mutually. You know it. And I know it.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 11:51:46
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Coming up next week from Poetic: E-UNI members all get given a new battleship with 100% resists and filled with PLEX, and Uni Directors all get GM modules and the ability to teleport around.
Nah, you deserve your teleporting super-powers. ;)
As for wars being good ... ask for one ... from an ex-Unista alliance. I brought the possibility of one to your attention. All your managers and directors shot it down. They are your mouthpieces, no? If you ACTUALLY think wars are good, then arrange a good one. Overrule your carebears and do it. Don't stretch it into some 3-month long bureaucratic debate. It's easy to say you like wars, but when is the last time you arranged a mutual wardec (a lot of good corps that would bring a good fight.)
Director versus student fights are meaningless. (Though, it is about the only time you'll see more than two directors online at the same time.)
And you moved HQ because you were originally too close to Jita and getting wardecced too often. You moved to an out-of-the-way locale. Less Uni visibility. Less wardecs.
You switched to NBSI after ILN's Battlegroup 1 threatened to revolt.
As for the new killboard, since it isn't hooked into EVSCO (and you've stated it won't be), it is a good way to further insularize the Uni from the rest of the game.
The WSOP rewrite is much clearer. It was a good investment of your time doing that. Less restrictive? Not really. You added the ability to do incursion fleets during Relaxed WSOPs (which was a good addition) and the ability to run wormholes at any time (although due to the Covert Ops Certification, this makes running wormholes impractical, and I know of no one who did during the last two wars ... I was going too ... but was told I could not use my Helios to scan down wormholes or use them to scout the wormholes themselves ... so I decided against it ... it's straight dumb to do wormhole scouting in a T1 frigate with an Improved Cloak II.)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 13:36:43
Originally by: Khanh'rhh For instance, it is a hard and fast rule to NEVER RIG T1 frigates. To keep down costs, presumably. What the **** is that bull****? It'll cost you 150k in total to stick on burst and collision projectile rigs on a Rifter (BANNED!!! DO NOT DO THIS!! OMG!! RULES!!) Or 850k to stick on one T2 gyrostab (DO THIS! T2! FTW!). No. ****ing. Common. Sense. Just convenient catch-all rules that make the directors life easier, and harms students... which is why the whole thing is a steaming pile of fail.
One of the many contradictions that are systemic throughout the E-UNI rules and regulations.
They could just tell their students that "No T1 frigate, during war, can have a value greater than 5M ISK (as determined by EFT)." That's still a bad rule, but a far better rule than the nonsensical disallowing of cheap rigs on T1 frigates, while still allowing expensive T2 modules.
Of course, they won't change. Because some "clever" director came up with the current rule, and to suggest a change to something that makes sense would be to a) call them out as they idiot they are, and b) undermine their supreme authoritah.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 14:35:45
Originally by: Pester Tuk Poetic Stanziel - Editor of Star Magazine: New Eden
Pandemic Legion's Shadoo Talks About Growing Up In Jita "I used to screw with the armor systems of new pilots. Armor hacks!"
Sudden Buggery's Khanh'rhh Dishes On His Love Affair With Azmodeus Valar "It was oh so hot for awhile, the sex was great, but eventually I got tired of her telling me what to do."
Mintchip on Motherhood, ISK & More "A baby can sell for well over 10B ISK to the right Russian Corp."
Effortless Breeze's Wild Night In Hek "They were stoned on Mindflood and Nerve Stick for days."
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 15:04:42
Originally by: Malcom Vincent Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice.
Err. What's wrong with losing ships again? And what's wrong with flying through Rancer? I'm not a pu55y. Which is what the Uni teaches most students. How to be a pu55y.
The Rancer loss. That was my first loss there in that ship in about 10 trips through Rancer. I had 40M in cargo on the trip to Jita. None on the way back to Hek. When I jumped through, I landed within 2km of a can. Could not cloak. That would have been the same result (death) in any cloakie.
The Lamadent death. I did my P.I. there for quite awhile. One loss in close to 100 hauling runs into there. Hek -> Otou -> Lamadent -> Otou -> Hek. Pretty good record, if you ask me.
Don't assume I don't know what the **** I'm doing with those ships. They serve me well.
If I followed what the Uni taught us, I'd never have any fun. Rancer is a blast. Too bad you're missing out. But you know, carebear it up in highsec. That's what they're teaching you, after all.
PS Did Azmodeus give you permission to post in this thread? You may be in some trouble, young man. She doesn't like Unistas posting in these sorts of threads. Draws attention to the Uni. Wardecs and all.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Goddess Ishtar Poetic your strange obsession with Eve University is starting to get creepy.
What obsession? It's the same thread. :)
Every Uni post I made previously, I was in the damned Uni. I've posted once about the Uni since I've been out.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum @ Poetic
It seems you are a bit (understatement) butthurt over the n00b training corp. Instead of posting chinese whispers and trying to generate attention, I encourage you to write another topic regarding the Eve Uni problems that you clearly have taken great offence to.
Not so much butthurt over getting the boot (that's fine, I got my graduate medal, and that's all I wanted) ... more butthurt over the fact that none of them can accept any sort of valid criticism of their rules, and they see it as a direct attack on their institution.
If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat.
But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky. 
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: dum dumdum
And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...
Did you even read the thread?
Did you?
Kelduum said he sent off a list of fixes to the wardec mechanics. Basically to make it more difficult (or much more expensive) for the Uni to be wardecced. That part of this thread in incontrovertible.
And he did also suggest that the Uni be added to the CONCORD alliance/faction. (I blew that out of proportion for my own purposes ... but he did suggest that to CCP.)
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game.
To the LEAD FARMER. What would be Kelduum's rationale for suggesting E-UNI be added to the CONCORD faction? You wardec the alliance a corp is in (not just the corp). If a player-run corp belongs to an NPC faction/alliance, it would be unwardeccable. I didn't make it up, dude. He suggested it to CCP. (They probably ignored it.) I simply trolled on that one issue alone. Does invalidate that it was an idea he came up with and sent along to CCP.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum Admiral Silentn00b
Funny Silentb00b story.
Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him.
In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded.
This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU.
Good times.
The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni
I wanted it for myself. I did spend three months putting up with their rules. I deserve my medal.
Quote: B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing.
Point would not be the quality PvP (thus the monetary enticement for folks to kill them.) Point would be to use the WSOP as a weapon against the Uni. They'd either adapt and change or die. Six months under full WSOP, they'd be left with only a few hundred members at that point. Anyhow, more of a thought exercise on how to give them a clean slate from which to work.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson I wish there were more threads like this. Makes me pine a bit for the old 'Hub Zero' threads. As much as I loathe melodrama, I love reading about it.
Gotta chuckle a bit at OP. 'I hate these guys but I'm gonna vote for them but if I had 50B ISK I'd KILL THEM ALL but oooh, look at the shiny medal they gave me!'
Love-hate.
They do some good for the game. But they also have a directorate of self-entitled dumbasses.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.08.30 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Korr'Tanas
Originally by: dum dumdum Funny that innitially the Eve Uni guys were quick to post and defend their E-Honor (at least those who are ALLOWED to in the EVE UNI LONG BORING LIST OF RULES OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO).
All uni pilots are allowed to post here actually. Must be some other reason why pretty much no one bothers to.
Azmodeus: "It should go without saying that students should not be posting in this thread. Let management take care of it."
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Korr'Tanas Trust me, I know the rules. This isn't CAOD, uni pilots are allowed to post in this thread.
I got in **** for posting at EN24. The posting rules are kind of as Azmodeus defines them day-to-day.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 30/08/2011 17:45:45 Quote: Granted, I heard this second-hand,
my uncles cousins wifes friend said she heard from a reliable source that....
What? What did she hear? Don't leave us hanging!
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole P.S. linking to yourself doesn't make the rumour more credible.
Kelduum adds much to the credibility on the second page. Keep reading. It's a fun thread. 
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 18:04:52
Originally by: dum dumdum Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:24:08 Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:13:05
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: dum dumdum Admiral Silentn00b
Funny Silentb00b story.
Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him.
In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded.
This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU.
Good times.
The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class.
The Rear Admiral wanted to disprove his pvp impotency by leading a great fleet to do a nice POS Bash. Last minute n00bing around lead him to realise that shooting a POS which actually has some defence may lead to actually risking your ship in pvp. Deterred by this revalation, Silentn00b instead decided to do what you have described.
This is Silentbrick's interpretation of the evening:
"Lemme think, instead we went on a rampage and oh, killed a POS. So there's a flaw in your whining. Besides, if the intelligence landscape changes in EVE, we must change with it."
As found at his blog. His blog post was a reply to my description of the evening.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum EDIT- Also plz more links to your blog thnx 
His blog post needed the context. (I've refrained from posting links for the last three pages, man, cut me some slack! )
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum Have the Eve Uni unistas disowned you yet Poetic?
Probably. But then 90% are sheep who hang off the nuts of the directors. There are a few quality free-thinkers in the organization.
Quote: I assume you are banned from the Eve Uni forums and Voice Coms server too
My Poetic Stanziel account, yes. My alt account. No. I wasn't dumb enough to tell them what that was when I created it two months ago. The chatter in Public Lounge has been on-again off-again amusing. Every thirty minutes someone asks if anyone has seen the EVE-O forums, and then someone says "Don't believe anything you read. He was kicked for not obeying the rules." And then a bunch of "he's butthurt" comments. Then they get back to discussing incursion fits.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum @ Poetic
Spies in the Uni mumble have indicated that a group which includes the Admiral are out for your blood. I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Director ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic.
I know. I can dock up with the best of them. I was in the Uni after all. :)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Azmodeus Valar (aka El Atreyu) I've just spent the last 15 minutes reading this thread while taking a sh*t. I'm not sure what stinks more, I'll have to get back to you.
What strikes me as amusing is the conversation Poetic is having with her obvious alt Dumdumdum. It's clear she's either bipolar or suffering from Dissociative identity disorder. Regardless of which it is, I suggest you seek medical treatment asap to obtain medication to alleviate your condition. If this thread and your blog are any indication your condition is spiraling out of control and I worry for your safety.
Is this the top plan the Uni came up with to divert the thread, Azmodeus?
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Silentbrick ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic.
I wonder how they'll all feel with the secstatus hit? I would of course let them pod me in highsec.
Brick is just ****ed that I mentioned the SBU debacle publicly. It was supposed to be known as The Great Offlined Small POS Bash of 2011. Not the SBU ****up of 2011.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.08.30 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 19:47:21
Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win.
Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved.
Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: dum dumdum
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win.
Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved.
Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)
i assume they know about kill rights

Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni.
I hope it was worth it
I know. It's like they're giving me a free wardec for one month on whoever kills me. ;)
The game will be more interesting for awhile. That is for sure.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Keriget
Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.
I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.
Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.
Keep fishing.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.30 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Zendragon
Originally by: Nikita Keriget
Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.
I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.
Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.
Epic facepalm? dum dumdumbass....

If I was chatting with myself, I'd have one account using Firefox and the other using Chrome. And I would have edited the post immediately. I am an incessant editor after the fact. :)
Anyhow ... there's no convincing anyone ... so feel free to believe what you want.
I hear the Uni just got wardecced again. 
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Keriget If EVE University is setting you (Poetic Stanziel) -10, then why did 'dum dumdum' say "I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears."? That statement would make sense coming from you, hence it looks an awful lot like you forgot to switch characters for posting.
I also took the opportunity to look up the user profile for dum dumdum - I see that his only participation in the forums is this very thread.
It's all good. Turns out it was a clever and elaborate troll to discredit me by Silentbrick. I didn't think he had that in him.
Here's the chatlog. I'll post screenshots in a bit. I'm actually quite impressed with the subterfuge. Kudos to the Uni for it.
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Channel ID: -24592105 Channel Name: Private Chat (dum dumdum) Listener: Poetic Stanziel Session started: 2011.08.31 00:01:47
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[ 2011.08.31 00:02:00 ] Poetic Stanziel > Apparently I am talking to myself here too. [ 2011.08.31 00:03:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > So, an elaborate troll job, the use of the first person in your last post? If so, kudos to you sir. Clever. [ 2011.08.31 00:03:36 ] dum dumdum > thank you [ 2011.08.31 00:03:49 ] dum dumdum > in all honesty [ 2011.08.31 00:04:01 ] dum dumdum > i got nothing against you, but im an old uni contact [ 2011.08.31 00:04:08 ] dum dumdum > and i was paid for this job [ 2011.08.31 00:04:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah. [ 2011.08.31 00:04:36 ] dum dumdum > quite well actually, 1 bil to be exact and it brightened up my 00 roams [ 2011.08.31 00:04:52 ] dum dumdum > anyways nothing against you bro, purely business [ 2011.08.31 00:05:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > Well, good play. I didn't expect anything quite so clever from them. [ 2011.08.31 00:05:27 ] Poetic Stanziel > I'm not butthurt over it. I figured it was a troll with that last post. [ 2011.08.31 00:05:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > But since the character was 5 days old, was a little confused still. [ 2011.08.31 00:05:57 ] dum dumdum > ye i kinda got overzealous with my posts [ 2011.08.31 00:06:02 ] dum dumdum > i was hired 5 days ago [ 2011.08.31 00:06:10 ] Poetic Stanziel > ? [ 2011.08.31 00:06:29 ] dum dumdum > silent has it in for you for a while [ 2011.08.31 00:06:30 ] Poetic Stanziel > That doesn't make much sense. I wasn't bashing them publicly 5 days ago. [ 2011.08.31 00:06:35 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah. [ 2011.08.31 00:06:46 ] Poetic Stanziel > He is a bit of a child. [ 2011.08.31 00:06:49 ] dum dumdum > well to be exact i was hired a while ago [ 2011.08.31 00:07:05 ] dum dumdum > but my job changed [ 2011.08.31 00:07:29 ] dum dumdum > i just needed to destroy any credibility you had so that you are no longer a thorn in the Uni's side
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 00:26:00 -
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[ 2011.08.31 00:07:30 ] Poetic Stanziel > So why the confession now? [ 2011.08.31 00:07:36 ] dum dumdum > my job is done [ 2011.08.31 00:07:42 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah. [ 2011.08.31 00:07:51 ] dum dumdum > i thought i mite as well let you know who comissioned me [ 2011.08.31 00:08:06 ] dum dumdum > ive been paid too so i dont care that you know [ 2011.08.31 00:08:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Makes sense I suppose. Not entirely, but I suppose. [ 2011.08.31 00:08:28 ] dum dumdum > silent will flat out deny anything anyway as will the uni [ 2011.08.31 00:08:43 ] Poetic Stanziel > Good play though. I should have stayed out of it this morning. Thought I should. Was going too. But didn't. [ 2011.08.31 00:08:44 ] dum dumdum > but i think knowing is better than not knowing for you at least [ 2011.08.31 00:08:53 ] Poetic Stanziel > Of course. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:06 ] dum dumdum > either way its nothing personal, just fulfilling a contract [ 2011.08.31 00:09:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > I knew the alts posting the "you're taling to yourself" posts were Uni. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:32 ] dum dumdum > it wasnt azmo [ 2011.08.31 00:09:36 ] dum dumdum > it was silent [ 2011.08.31 00:09:42 ] Poetic Stanziel > I ddin't know who. I was just guessing there. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > But knew it was Uni. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:48 ] dum dumdum > he wanted to spring the trap there and then [ 2011.08.31 00:09:59 ] dum dumdum > i told him its too obvious and he was going to blow it [ 2011.08.31 00:10:07 ] Poetic Stanziel > Impatient. No credibility at that point. [ 2011.08.31 00:10:15 ] dum dumdum > so isntead i led things along a few more posts before springing the trap [ 2011.08.31 00:10:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > The use of first person later was the key. [ 2011.08.31 00:10:24 ] dum dumdum > took the pubbies a while to realise tho [ 2011.08.31 00:10:39 ] dum dumdum > i had to go irl so wasnt able to delete my msg as soon as someone posted and quoted [ 2011.08.31 00:10:54 ] dum dumdum > but the uni was happy with the job and i was paid [ 2011.08.31 00:11:11 ] dum dumdum > anyways mate i do sympathise, seems that you have been screwed overa few times [ 2011.08.31 00:11:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Kudos sir. Anyhow, Good luck. And good 1B earned. [ 2011.08.31 00:11:15 ] dum dumdum > one being my work [ 2011.08.31 00:11:31 ] dum dumdum > but watch out for yourself, i know for a fact that silent has other operatives out there [ 2011.08.31 00:11:40 ] Poetic Stanziel > Will do. [ 2011.08.31 00:11:41 ] dum dumdum > he is taking it personally [ 2011.08.31 00:11:46 ] Poetic Stanziel > When doesn't he? [ 2011.08.31 00:12:19 ] dum dumdum > ok take care, this char is biomassed soon. I hope we dont meet again, at least not under the same circumstances. And plz remember this is nothing personal against you. just a job in a game [ 2011.08.31 00:12:30 ] dum dumdum > o/ [ 2011.08.31 00:12:33 ] Poetic Stanziel > Don't worry. Not too fussed. [ 2011.08.31 00:12:45 ] dum dumdum > im glad to hear it [ 2011.08.31 00:12:51 ] Poetic Stanziel > o7
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 00:45:00 -
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Screenies.
Image 1
Image 2
Anyhow, kudos to them for the well-played plan.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 01:27:00 -
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Re: my statement saying "Kudos to the Uni."
Their hired operative has made it clear to me that the credit is his. They hired him. He came up with the plan.
So, kudos to the hired operative.
(I'd post the chatlog, but in the event I'm being played, I'd rather not have the organization he claims to belong to ****ed off at me as well.)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 01:55:56
Originally by: SupaKudoRio E: I like how your screenshot links got censored.
Fixed. Had wrong setting on Picasa.
Sure, chat logs and screenies are no proof of anything ... except that I must be a champion level typist to hold a conversation across two clients in real-time and in two completely different styles of typing.
E: The Uni has a lot of alts out today.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio Confirming I am an EVE Uni alt. Along with being the alt of several other people at the same time.
You don't seem to grasp how easy it is to switch between clients. So what you can type moderately quickly in two styles? That's something a lot of people can do.
You're trying too hard. You're not even trying to be subtle about it.
Anyhow, I'm done. I'll see you guys in lowsec.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 11:13:44
Originally by: Sahara Sena Poetic, any possible validity to your arguments has been completely undermined by this ridiculous and farcical display you put on here. Your attempt to manufacture support for your cause through the creation of an obvious alt is disturbingly sad. After posting on the wrong toon, your attempt to then 'prove' it was genuine is taking it to a whole 'nother level of stupid.
The only people carrying on the charade that dum dumdum was me, are Uni alts and ex-Unistas.
Either I'm a total moron, for making such a simple mistake as a mispost, in a conversation not even approaching anything real-time.
Or I'm a ****ing genius for holding a real-time conversation with myself, across two clients, in two completely different styles of typing, spelling and use of language. And remaining consistent for the entire conversation. With many of the conversational elements mere seconds apart, and often overlapping. Hard to fake the screenshots, especially given the limited time involved to do it, and the alpha channels inherent in the EVE UI.
I guess I'll go with ****ing genius. Thanks.
(Everything mentioned about the Uni in this thread still holds under scrutiny as truth.)
(1B ISK. Not all that much money in this game.)
(Silentbrick. Still a tool. And I await his next move.)
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