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Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:02:00 - [1] http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/eve-university-as-npc-corporation.html Granted, I heard this second-hand, from a source that has access to the director and management forums, but it strikes me as true. CCP does view EVE University as a valuable player retention tool and has invalidated certain types of war declarations against it in the past. CCP apparently approached Kelduum Revaan, CEO of EVE University, with a tentative offer of turning EVE University into an NPC corporation, though one that is still managed by players, thus solving the University's war declaration annoyances. If the plan were to pass CCP final approval, and Kelduum accepted, he was also to be offered a position within CCP to run this new EVE University and act as the new player liaison. ----------- Good or bad for the game? I can see it from both sides. Good for new player retention. It could become the defacto corporation that new players join at the start of the game. Bad in that it offers carebears a relatively safe haven from non-Concordable PvP within a proper player-run corporate environment.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 27/08/2011 21:12:52 In an era when CCP is really pushing for people to accept risk and get out of safe space, I don't think this fits at all. Seriously, if they should benefit from all the wardecs. It's blobbing practice.
Sentient Blade	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:21:00 - [3] Seems like a logical progression to me.
Donatella D'Tren Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:31:00 - [4] Troll?? If not, I think this is a great idea. As long as once you leave, you can't reapply.
Sader Rykane Amarr The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:32:00 - [5] If it aint broke.
Four OfThree Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:49:00 - [6] I can only speak as a ninja miner in 0.3 and lower - I saw low sec controlled by bot alliances where for the great majority of the day nothing at all happened except bots or the hauler bots until a real player in the alliance report me as red in system and a swift response of -9 security ratings enforcers showed. To bad a Coveter can fit 2 Ice Miners and a cloak and it's cycles exactly fill the cargohold. Anyways , often I would see a fleet of Eve-Uni about 18 to 25 pilots sweep thru and kill anything in thier path. for me i didn't hang at gates in lowsec and when they came thru all in thier way paid the price. I personally loved it as i hid. They offer valuable training and despite that internal squabble a few months ago are a valuable asset to Eve. I believe there future has no business being voted on in Eve forums but should be up to the leadership of Eve-Uni. Heading for "The Door" 12/10/2011
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.08.27 21:56:00 - [7] It won't happen. ---------------
Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.27 22:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Four OfThree They offer valuable training and are a valuable asset to Eve. They are definitely a good training corporation for new players. And players passing through the University more often than not end up playing the game for years. The retention rate for new players that don't discover E-Uni is much much lower.
Dirk Magnum Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.08.27 22:18:00 - [9] Are war decs not an essential part of the Eve Uni experience though? You couldn't have these if the corp became an NPC entity, and if the rules were changed to allow for continued war decs against Eve Uni then why make them NPC at all?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.27 22:21:00 - [10] Assuming this isn't a troll ... Would EVEUni be subject to the 11% NPC corp tax? If so, I can't see them going along with the idea. If not, it's a horribly unethical and unfair decision. CCP should not play favorites in a sandbox game, but they do it over and over again. Want to buy a monocle?

Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.27 22:26:00 - [11] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Assuming this isn't a troll ... Not at all. This is what I was told by an E-Uni manager. And it is what Kelduum told his directors and managers. It is supposed to be hush-hush. The E-Uni manager could have been bull****ting the few of us in channel, but I doubt it. That would have been out of character for her/him. As for the 11% tax (versus the Uni's usual 7.5% tax) ... I doubt such details have been discussed.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.27 22:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel As for the 11% tax (versus the Uni's usual 7.5% tax) ... I doubt such details have been discussed. It's not a question of 11% versus 7.5%. If other people want immunity from wardecs they must pay an 11% ISK sink tax for that benefit. They get nothing else in return. The same rule should apply to EVEUni if they want that benefit. They'd still have to (presumably) charge their 7.5% ON TOP of that. Of course, the most equitable solution would be to make all corps eligible for wardec immunity in return for an 11% ISK sink tax paid to Concord. I can't remember the last time CCP chose the most equitable solution to a problem, though. Want to buy a monocle?
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.08.27 22:38:00 - [13] I think it's a good idea. I tried to join EveU last year but my standing with some corp they were high with wasn't high enough. :( Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
Lithalnas Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.27 23:05:00 - [14] I have alsways belived eve was totaly player content driven. Eve University is one of the contents that players have created and has been sucessful. When CCP tries to make content (ie the sand castle in their sand box) it falls flat. For proof simply look at faction warfare, or epic arcs or even missions. Very few people do faction warfare anymore and people only do missions for money not fun. Eve University has operated independently from CCP and has created content for its members. This is content that has lasted them a lifetime. ------------- Mictro-Transactions can bite my shinny metal exhaust port.
AnzacPaul the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.27 23:05:00 - [15] This is probably the worst idea i've ever heard. Which is exactly why CCP will do it. ______
Jacob Stiller	Posted - 2011.08.27 23:06:00 - [16] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson If other people want immunity from wardecs they must pay an 11% ISK sink tax for that benefit. And your average player run corp has 0% tax? Really?
AnzacPaul the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.27 23:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Jacob Stiller Originally by: AkJon Ferguson If other people want immunity from wardecs they must pay an 11% ISK sink tax for that benefit. And your average player run corp has 0% tax? Really? Your average player run corp isn't immune to war declarations. ______
NeoShocker Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.08.27 23:56:00 - [18] Edited by: NeoShocker on 28/08/2011 I'm rather mixed. Whether this is a troll or not. I love Eve-U even though I never been in there, but I know they help new players to the wonders of Eve. If I were a alliance leader, I would +blue them whenever and be welcomed to 0.0 space so they can explore the wonders of 0.0, plus they could help against my enemies. Anything that can help keep new players to keep checking out and playing Eve-Online, its great for marketting and can increase subscriber counts. So recognizing the Eve-U and sending new players into Eve-U is a good way to start off Eve, and people to talk and do things together. Unlike my experience, I played Eve by myself for first 2-3 months, trying to figure out ****. If I had a better start and support, I'd probably have 10m more SP, better skill training and stuff than I do now (it'd be 100m SP :O). But having it as an NPC corp, which thus can make said corp immune to war dec, I don't support this and would be nothing more like any other NPC corp. So unless CCP can think up of great ideas that doesn't compromise the current mechanics (immune to war dec, corp mates shooting each other, etc), again in the end, I don't support this. ----------------------------------- Peace through power! Google+ if you want to add. :)
XIRUSPHERE Gallente Deadly Intent.	Posted - 2011.08.28 00:05:00 - [19] If you can join a player run corp it should never be classed as NPC. Making E-uni immune to war declarations is just another ******ed idea from CCP. You guys can manage to blob pies to death and be cheap but you can't fight off a legitimate declaration which is amusing at best. If such does come to pass CCP needs to ensure no loopholes are left open, IE no POS as well as CEO and directors having only figurehead positions and no true control over roles and assets. You can paint it any way you want but I see an already inherently negative group that does nothing but train noobs to be tomorrows blobtastic nullbears and failers getting an even easier ride.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.28 00:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel It is supposed to be hush-hush. Then why didn't you keep it "Hush-Hush"? Seems to me your playing the part of (or are) an agent provocateur... Either that, or you have a very strange idea of "op-sec". Originally by: XIRUSPHERE If you can join a player run corp it should never be classed as NPC. Making E-uni immune to war declarations is just another *****ed idea from CCP. You guys can manage to blob pies to death and be cheap but you can't fight off a legitimate declaration which is amusing at best. I've seen this said of the Uni for the last 3.5 years, and still don't know what it means. You can't make* a war dec end no matter what you do. You can't get in a station and make station humpers move out of the "comfort zone" and lets not even talk about neut RR... Originally by: XIRUSPHERE If such does come to pass CCP needs to ensure no loopholes are left open, IE no POS as well as CEO and directors having only figurehead positions and no true control over roles and assets. I can see that working really well... Originally by: XIRUSPHERE You can paint it any way you want but I see an already inherently negative group that does nothing but train noobs to be tomorrows blobtastic nullbears and failers getting an even easier ride. "Inherently negative"? You must mean because "they don't do it my way..." E-U does not teach people to be blobs... Try harder, that was pretty dam lame, tbqh... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!

AnzacPaul the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.28 00:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes E-U does not teach people to be blobs... Try harder, that was pretty dam lame, tbqh... No, just the tactics they use teach people if you've got enough ships no matter how cheap and ****ty they are, you can win. ______
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.28 00:54:00 - [22] Originally by: AnzacPaul Originally by: Asuri Kinnes E-U does not teach people to be blobs... Try harder, that was pretty dam lame, tbqh... No, just the tactics they use teach people if you've got enough ships no matter how cheap and ***ty they are, you can win. No. Ever since Eve started getting more and more people, more and more people have been banding together. I sincerely* doubt "eve-uni" is responsible for "teaching the blob", because tbqh - that rant was going on 4 years ago when I was researching Eve before I joined. Besides, with enough ships (i.e.: DPS) you do win. And that, in itself, is the problem (if there is one). People will do their best to make sure they win. Eve Uni could go away tomorrow, and 1V1 PVP will not (somehow) make a miraculous resurgence... Because in Eve: WINNING > ANYTHING (or so it seems from watching most of the player base). Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
XIRUSPHERE Gallente Deadly Intent.	Posted - 2011.08.28 00:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Originally by: Poetic Stanziel It is supposed to be hush-hush. Then why didn't you keep it "Hush-Hush"? Seems to me your playing the part of (or are) an agent provocateur... Either that, or you have a very strange idea of "op-sec". Originally by: XIRUSPHERE If you can join a player run corp it should never be classed as NPC. Making E-uni immune to war declarations is just another *****ed idea from CCP. You guys can manage to blob pies to death and be cheap but you can't fight off a legitimate declaration which is amusing at best. I've seen this said of the Uni for the last 3.5 years, and still don't know what it means. You can't make* a war dec end no matter what you do. You can't get in a station and make station humpers move out of the "comfort zone" and lets not even talk about neut RR... Originally by: XIRUSPHERE If such does come to pass CCP needs to ensure no loopholes are left open, IE no POS as well as CEO and directors having only figurehead positions and no true control over roles and assets. I can see that working really well... Originally by: XIRUSPHERE You can paint it any way you want but I see an already inherently negative group that does nothing but train noobs to be tomorrows blobtastic nullbears and failers getting an even easier ride. "Inherently negative"? You must mean because "they don't do it my way..." E-U does not teach people to be blobs... Try harder, that was pretty dam lame, tbqh... If you want the protections of being NPC it goes hand in hand with the restrictions of NPC. Nothing is wrong with that sentiment as NPC cannot launch POS or benefit from the logistic benefits of real corporations. It's inherently negative because such practices foster and nurture the mentality of the blob and by in large the refusal to innovate or operate outside of it. If such a large and comprehensive organization cannot deal effectively with game mechanics involved in war declarations that have solutions what are they actually teaching people aside what general inquiry or thought could solve. If playing my way is asking players to think, discover, and innovate rather than be another drone I suppose I am coming off as lame when people by in large don't want to be challenged.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:11:00 - [24] Originally by: XIRUSPHERE It's inherently negative because such practices foster and nurture the mentality of the blob and by and large the refusal to innovate or operate outside of it. If such a large and comprehensive organization cannot deal effectively with game mechanics involved in war declarations that have solutions what are they actually teaching people aside what general inquiry or thought could solve. If playing my way is asking players to think, discover, and innovate rather than be another drone I suppose I am coming off as lame when people by and large don't want to be challenged. One of the great things about the Uni (from my time) was that while they did want you to form up (at least with an FC that trained basic leadership/support skills to V/III) - no one was stopped from taking out small gangs, and in fact many people did. However, from my time in the uni, all I saw was very experienced pvp'rs **ing on whoever they could. *, I could have taken a range fit dessie out, and probably the people we were flying against would have beat my ass purple in a n00b frigate! TBQH - I didn't want that. So, in a nutshell, E-Uni kept me (and many, many* others) interested in the game, until we got our legs under us and felt comfortable in the game on our own... Losing many, many billions of isk in boats, and having fun. Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:12:00 - [25] I don't pretend to know a lot about E-Uni...never been a member, but my (second-hand) understanding is that they train players to become good Corp members who understand the roles of basic null Corp membership. I didn't think they train their grads to go out and immediately open a 500-man Corp or Alliance Exec Corp. The Corp policies/politics seem not related to their mission, but standard player Corp rules impede their mission. If it becomes an NPC Corp with special rules, I think there will need to be a LOT of scrutiny on it's behavior. A CCP employee being CEO of a pseudo-player Corp could lead to accidental or intentional abuse. Seems like it would lead to extensive complaints and entanglements that CCP would be prudent to avoid. But, like a lot of things CCP says it's going to do...wait and see if it actually happens. Right now this is all speculation based on second-hand rumors. He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:45:00 - [26] E-Uni has a POS, which you cannot have in an NPC corp. Would that go away? E-Uni members do activities that involve shooting each other. But if you are in an NPC corp and you shoot a fellow corp member CONCORD comes. Also if you can flip someone in an NPC corp the entire corp does not get the right to shoot. Would E-uni get NPC corp like restrictions if this change was made?
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:48:00 - [27] Honestly, I'd be entirely in support of Eve Uni being made "official", in whatever capacity that might mean.
Magnus Orin Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:49:00 - [28] Probably a troll (not the OP, it was the OP who was trolled), but this would set an incredibly bad precedent if it were true. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Magnus Orin it was the OP who was trolled I'm betting your right. If so, it's a GOOD one! Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Empy Ralt	Posted - 2011.08.28 02:18:00 - [30] How about they re-think the war-declaration mechanics first. And then consider whether special immunities are required? I mean it's basically a station undock camping license and any attempt for a real "war" is frustrated by station games.

Demon Azrakel Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck	Posted - 2011.08.28 02:26:00 - [31] Sounds like an awesome idea, just as soon as NPC corps are able to be wardeced...
Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.28 05:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Tuggboat on 28/08/2011 05:30:31 Quote: This is what I was told by an E-Uni manager. And it is what Kelduum told his directors and managers. It is supposed to be hush-hush. The E-Uni manager could have been bull****ting the few of us in channel, but I doubt it. That would have been out of character for her/him. As for the 11% tax (versus the Uni's usual 7.5% tax) ... I doubt such details have been discussed. I take it your not liable or in charge of secrets :) Wouldn't it be better if CCP just invented a wardec invulnerability switch you could buy for something like 10000 Aurum a month? You know something only large corps could afford so the little new guys can continue being harrassed while the rich live in relative safety. So much more justice ya know? Maybe even put nullsec planets in their constellations kinda like a high sec sov for the rich so the new dudes can PI like crazy and perma incursions and wormholes? How about bonus asteroids for budding miners and sytem wide scrambler jammers so ninjas can't hold down the noobs. Strictly for training of course. Something needs done to hold these noobs, free dresses maybe?
Jacob Stiller	Posted - 2011.08.28 06:03:00 - [33] Edited by: Jacob Stiller on 28/08/2011 06:06:31 Originally by: AnzacPaul Originally by: Jacob Stiller Originally by: AkJon Ferguson If other people want immunity from wardecs they must pay an 11% ISK sink tax for that benefit. And your average player run corp has 0% tax? Really? Your average player run corp isn't immune to war declarations. The point is that the price of war dec immunity isn't the full 11% NPC corp tax rate but rather the difference between 11% and the "typical" tax rate of a player corporation. Edit: I can't believe I actually had to explicitly explain this point, btw.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.28 06:24:00 - [34] Originally by: AnzacPaul Originally by: Asuri Kinnes E-U does not teach people to be blobs... Try harder, that was pretty dam lame, tbqh... No, just the tactics they use teach people if you've got enough ships no matter how cheap and ****ty they are, you can win. One skilled pilot against a blob of newbies in crappy ships and you can take pick it apart. http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/medal-for-badassery-goes-to.html Uni doesn't teach blob tactics. Nullsec does that much better. The Uni simply has a lot of members that want to go on PvP roams. And lately, the so-called blobs haven't been much more than 15-20 ships. Hardly a blob and rarely competitive in regions like Curse.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.28 06:31:00 - [35] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 28/08/2011 06:35:19 Originally by: Magnus Orin Probably a troll (not the OP, it was the OP who was trolled), but this would set an incredibly bad precedent if it were true. No. I've known of this info for over three weeks. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on it though. I can see the benefits to CCP (increased player retention), and the negatives (avoidance of normal PvP game mechanics.) But since I've been asked to leave for questioning some of the more contradictory Uni rules, I see no reason to keep it a secret. It's not like I can be kicked out over it now. Which is why I didn't bring it up before :) It starts a good, interesting dialogue. I'm not bitter towards EVE University. For all their pimples and warts, they are still a good organization, and Kelduum is still a quality guy. I still think he should run and be elected to the next CSM. But possible special considerations like this, aimed towards a single player-run corporation, they should be discussed openly with the playerbase. It affects an area of the game for good and bad. You'll notice I'm not arguing any one point of view. I'm not arguing that's it's a terrible idea. Nor am I arguing that it's a great idea. I'm just reading all the different valid points of view.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.28 06:57:00 - [36] Well, it's a terrible idea, and not particularly interesting. Nor are there any valid opposing viewpoints (player retention is not one, as people would be up in arms if CCP played favorites like this and would quit in droves if they stuck to their guns.) So what are these 'contradictory' rules you got booted for arguing against? Want to buy a monocle?
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.28 07:32:00 - [37] As a former unista all I can say is this is a terrible idea. The uni does not need any special protection, the uni is there to help new players learn the ropes of EVE. Giving the uni special protection or NPC status would diminish the learning experience for the students. I do still agree that some change to wardec mechanics to discourage 1 man "faildecs" should happen
Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.28 07:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 28/08/2011 07:35:50 Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So what are these 'contradictory' rules you got booted for arguing against? The fact that anyone, during war, can scout for a fleet in a T1 Frigate or an Interceptor, and not prove that they have any skills in actual scouting, but as soon as you would like to do it in a cov ops ship, you suddenly have to prove proficiency at scouting. They seem to feel that losing cov ops ships entices people to war dec them. You need to be certified by people who aren't certified themselves to fly cov ops. (Whereas, you can freely fly Heavy Interdictors around without knowing what you're doing at all.) Some of the contradictions in their rules annoyed me. And while I mostly agree with their wartime operating procedures (WSOP), I also feel they are counter-productive at a times and should allow for more flexibility depending on the type of wardec the Uni receives. (Also, the Uni does not prepare its students at all for operating under a wardec, it's simply a case of dock up and do nothing, so folks leaving the Uni afterwards for corps with more relaxed wardec procedures likely end up killed a lot because they don't know how to make effective use of d-scan, local, etc. to watch and prepare for war targets.) To some extent the Uni really only prepares you to be a carebear, they hide and shelter themselves from some of the harsher realities of the game. I think the Uni could do more in that area to train and prepare players. I also complained about inactivity at the management and director levels within the Uni. Most of those people rarely log on or interact with the Uni in any way whatsoever, yet they retain their positions. Folks that are much lower rank work their asses off to propose good and interesting changes. Then weeks later some director logs on, looks at their well-reasoned forum proposal and replies with a simple "No." Zero explanation for the negative reply. It disheartens people who put a lot of time and effort into the organization.
Captain Hindsite	Posted - 2011.08.28 20:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel I also complained about inactivity at the management and director levels within the Uni. Most of those people rarely log on or interact with the Uni in any way whatsoever, yet they retain their positions. Folks that are much lower rank work their asses off to propose good and interesting changes. Then weeks later some director logs on, looks at their well-reasoned forum proposal and replies with a simple "No." Zero explanation for the negative reply. It disheartens people who put a lot of time and effort into the organization. Sounds a lot like CCP and the Eve community...
Rath Kelbore Spaceship Hooligan Productions	Posted - 2011.08.28 21:22:00 - [40] Nothing against EVE UNI but making them immune to war decs ****es all over the whole idea of EVE. EVE is suppose to be a sandbox where people motivated enough can make a great corporation like eve university if they want, and it's suppose to be a sandbox where people motivated enough can destroy a great corporation like eve university if they are able to. CCP makes less sense to me everyday seems like.

Jacob Stiller	Posted - 2011.08.28 21:24:00 - [41] Poetic, I too am starting to see some of E-Uni's rules as counterproductive and do question whether there are better alternatives given that anyone can access recordings of their classes. OTOH, I'm pretty sure that the pages of rules restrict my ability to discuss E-Uni on these forums. I've set my standing towards you to excellent. If you do have a plan in mind for a young future PvP pilot, feel free to send me an Eve Mail.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.28 22:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Jacob Stiller Poetic, I too am starting to see some of E-Uni's rules as counterproductive and do question whether there are better alternatives given that anyone can access recordings of their classes. OTOH, I'm pretty sure that the pages of rules restrict my ability to discuss E-Uni on these forums. I've set my standing towards you to excellent. If you do have a plan in mind for a young future PvP pilot, feel free to send me an Eve Mail. Yeah, be careful what you say publicly. Criticising too often gets you a boot out the door. Thankfully I got my boot just as I earned my graduate medal. Warts aside, I'm quite proud of my E-Uni medal.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.	Posted - 2011.08.28 23:04:00 - [43] Other way around. Make NPC corps like EVE-Uni.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.28 23:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 28/08/2011 07:58:13 Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So what are these 'contradictory' rules you got booted for arguing against? The fact that anyone, during war, can scout for a fleet in a T1 Frigate or an Interceptor, and not prove that they have any skills in actual scouting, but as soon as they would like to do it in a cov ops ship, they suddenly have to prove proficiency at scouting. The Uni seems to feel that losing cov ops ships entices people to war dec them. Cov ops pilots need to be certified by people who aren't certified under the program themselves. (Whereas, one can freely fly Heavy Interdictors around without knowing what they're doing at all.) Some of the contradictions in their rules annoyed me. And while I mostly agree with their wartime operating procedures (WSOP), I also feel they are counter-productive at times and should allow for more flexibility depending on the type of wardec the Uni receives. (Also, the Uni does not prepare its students at all for operating under a wardec, it's simply a case of dock up and do nothing, so folks leaving the Uni afterwards for corps with more relaxed wardec procedures likely end up killed a lot because they don't know how to make effective use of d-scan, local, etc. to watch and prepare for war targets.) To some extent the Uni really only prepares you to be a carebear, they hide and shelter themselves from some of the harsher realities of the game. I think the Uni could do more in that area to train and prepare players. I also complained about inactivity at the management and director levels within the Uni. Most of those people rarely log on or interact with the Uni in any way whatsoever, yet they retain their positions. Folks that are much lower rank work their asses off to propose good and interesting changes. Then weeks later some director logs on, looks at their well-reasoned forum proposal and replies with a simple "No." Zero explanation for the negative reply. It disheartens people who put a lot of time and effort into the organization. Your such an original snowflake... Look at you... How do you know the person "certifying you" on the CovOps ship isn't "certified" (or extremely proficient) on their main? Eve-Uni is a good place to get the basics down. *Much more importantly, it's a place to make connections, which cannot be underestimated at all.* You (apparently) got asked to leave because you weren't capable of living by their rules. HTFU it's their corp. Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Kelduum Revaan EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.29 01:28:00 - [45] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So what are these 'contradictory' rules you got booted for arguing against? In short, Poetic here was accounting for around 50% of my workload, versus every other E-UNI member. That alone is a significant achievement. Also the posts, like this one, and the arguing with EN24... I really do have better things to do. Anyway, to cover the initial post, I have been in communication with CCP about various things, but these tend to be queries on game mechanics and the odd suggestion on how to improve things (the new recruitment interface, for example), but I don't recall CCP suggesting that E-UNI become an NPC Corp, or otherwise become immune to war. Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities, as providing new players a good environment and getting them to connect with each other undoubtably leads to higher retention levels. These included revised calculations for calculating the wardec costs to promote more symmetrical warfare, adjustments to mechanics to make recruiting easier (such as editable automated messages on application) and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game, but this was a fairly 'out there' suggestion, and certainly not covered in much detail. While it would be nice, and to be honest I would seriously consider it, I certainly havent heard anything about CCP looking to employ me to do something I already spend my spare time on - after all, I currently pay them to do the job. _____
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.29 01:54:00 - [46] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 29/08/2011 01:58:05 Originally by: Kelduum Revaan In short, Poetic here was accounting for around 50% of my workload ... Actually, since you and I don't talk all that often, it might be a fairer assessment that the people *****ing to you about my posts were accounting for 50% of your workload. So not me, but the whinier members of your staff. (Azmodeus really needs to calm down, stop powertripping, and telling people where they can and cannot post. CAOD, fine, but otherwise, we're free to chat where we want, otherwise ban all Uni communication everywhere but the E-Uni sites.) :) As for me yapping on the EN24 site ... you guys are too overly worried that anything anyone ever says is going to cause a wardec. No one has wardecced you over anything I've ever said ... so no worries. Anyhow. No hard feelings. I still support Kelduum for CSM7 and you have my vote.
Manfred Sideous Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.08.29 03:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So what are these 'contradictory' rules you got booted for arguing against? In short, Poetic here was accounting for around 50% of my workload, versus every other E-UNI member. That alone is a significant achievement. Also the posts, like this one, and the arguing with EN24... I really do have better things to do. Anyway, to cover the initial post, I have been in communication with CCP about various things, but these tend to be queries on game mechanics and the odd suggestion on how to improve things (the new recruitment interface, for example), but I don't recall CCP suggesting that E-UNI become an NPC Corp, or otherwise become immune to war. Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities, as providing new players a good environment and getting them to connect with each other undoubtably leads to higher retention levels. These included revised calculations for calculating the wardec costs to promote more symmetrical warfare, adjustments to mechanics to make recruiting easier (such as editable automated messages on application) and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game, but this was a fairly 'out there' suggestion, and certainly not covered in much detail. While it would be nice, and to be honest I would seriously consider it, I certainly havent heard anything about CCP looking to employ me to do something I already spend my spare time on - after all, I currently pay them to do the job. Fully support this for E-Uni. They provide a integral service that is beneficial for the ENTIRE game. They have been doing so now for years. Any support the community or CCP can offer imo is good for the game. ________________________________________________
Silentbrick Caldari EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.29 04:18:00 - [48] I think you got trolled. The only times I ever remember this being discussed on the Director forums was as one of our jokes, along with "We want a high sec system of our own." "We need a high sec Titan" and "We want combat IN stations, so we can bum rush the faildeccers and beat them to death with clubs and chainsaws." It's always amazing to me what people claim are in the director's forums, since the reality is by far such a let down. Mostly we just discuss ways to improve the Uni or fix broken things. Seriously, we're honestly not very entertaining or plotting to rule the EVE Universe (in public). I really doubt our forums are much different than any other corp's leadership. But most of us would vote no on being an NPC corp. There's a real sense of pride in the fact we are NOT CCP and we don't want to be. So consider this drama llama gunned down with the Ma Deuce of Truth and left in pieces. Silentbrick Fleet Admiral Ivy League
Azmodeus Valar EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.29 04:46:00 - [49] Edited by: Azmodeus Valar on 29/08/2011 04:46:27 Originally by: Silentbrick I really doubt our forums are much different than any other corp's leadership. I'm betting there is a lot less drama and/or sensitive things in our director's lounge. Especially since the last 2 topics deal with a coding issue and our webhosting services.... Not exactly the stuff of legend. Azmodeus Valar Director of Logistics Ivy League
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.29 05:32:00 - [50] Thanks for the interesting read. Want to buy a monocle?

Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2011.08.29 07:48:00 - [51] What about the other training corps/alliances? EVE-Uni is the largest and most successful at present but if they were to become an NPC corp then they would become the only feasible option. And while you could define all training academies as special cases then how do you prevent abuses of the system? Goonwaffe trains a heck of a lot of new players after all. The next difficulty would be how an NPC EVE-Uni would operate in terms of recruitment, not in terms of students but of tutors... -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.29 08:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game. Enough said. It was a suggestion in a list of suggestions to CCP on how to improve EVE University's function in-game. There might have been conversation on the issue after the list was submitted. How serious that conversation was (and might still be), only you and CCP know for sure. But this is obviously the truth. What I heard was obviously overamplified somewhat (as is the case in a lot of second-hand information, but the kernel of truth was still there.) Originally by: Silentbrick The only times I ever remember this being discussed on the Director forums was as one of our jokes. You might want to read Kelduum's post before you post obvious b.s., in the future.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.29 08:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel You might want to read Kelduum's post before you post obvious b.s. You mean, like this part: ôI don't recall CCP suggesting that E-UNI become an NPC Corp, or otherwise become immune to war.ö Yes, maybe you should read what he posted. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.29 08:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Poetic Stanziel You might want to read Kelduum's post before you post obvious b.s. You mean, like this part: ôI don't recall CCP suggesting that E-UNI become an NPC Corp, or otherwise become immune to war.ö Yes, maybe you should read what he posted. I did read it. CCP didn't initially suggest it. You are correct. The information I heard was incorrect on that point. The kernel of the information was true, as it was Kelduum who suggested it to CCP. Whether the conversation between the two organizations was short-lived or is ongoing, we do not know.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.29 08:48:00 - [55] Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 08:48:29 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel The kernel of the information was true, as it was Kelduum who suggested it to CCP. Not that either, since what he suggested was having them listed as part of CONCORD ù the faction ù not making them an NPC corp. The kernel wasn't true ù it was confused and warped. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.29 09:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 08:48:29 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel The kernel of the information was true, as it was Kelduum who suggested it to CCP. Not that either, since what he suggested was having them listed as part of CONCORD ù the faction ù not making them an NPC corp. The kernel wasn't true ù it was confused and warped. And what would be the point of that if not to alter the ability to be wardecced? Curious.
fgft Athonille	Posted - 2011.08.29 09:01:00 - [57] cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen and play wow like you kiddies want too. anybody who ever thinks this is a good idea should be gassed ban eve uni leadership for wardec exploits Originally by: Skippermonkey keep trying and you can be an hero just like fgft Athonille Originally by: Singeaboot Raj Tbh i am beginning to see the win - it's the haircut, makes people take notice.
Bluecollar Tweaker	Posted - 2011.08.29 12:16:00 - [58] This is the biggest LOL of all time. I always thought Incarna was a feature made just for EUNI and now we have lolproof. Heh, and even more so epic comedy because Keduum AND Silent Brick have both decided to throw down on the OP troll. You two are so full of yourselves... the lols just never end. Bottom line is this: Eve University is only important to themselves. They've been trying to get the game customized to their needs for years. They want everyone to believe they're here to help the game but the large majority of teachers/staff in the corporation have never played the game any other way; they've been in Eve University this whole time. The point is, what they teach is stale. Eve University is still egohurt over what happened to Big Blue and they are still playing the same game: LOCKDOWN. You want to see a fiefdom? Join Eve University... bunch of grown men trying to control the game of other people. I hope CCP gives them special privilege. It will be the final nail in the coffin for me, but at the same time CCP will get the education corporation they deserve, one that will teach everyone to be nice, mine, and above all else, don't undock... use that great new feature.
Randy Foker	Posted - 2011.08.29 13:53:00 - [59] I think this could potentially work but they should be booted to an normal NPC corp once they have a certain amount of SP.
Xolani1990 Minmatar PonyWaffe	Posted - 2011.08.29 14:27:00 - [60] Poetic, I really think you should start writing for EVE News 24 yourself, with the level of journalistic competency and integrity you encapsulate.

Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.08.29 14:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Sader Rykane If it aint broke. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara f japanska tfskuverslun.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.08.29 15:04:00 - [62] You need to remember why e-uni conducts itself in wars the way it does. Its goal in a war is to end the war as quickly as possible so it can back to teaching eve in its entirety, not just teaching war. To do this it wants to make the war as little fun as possible for the attacker. This means denying them kills, so they do lockdown, except for war fleets. It also means war fleets are huge to insure a fast kill, so they do blobs in war. If you do not like the teaching of these tactics, then the best way to keep e-uni from using lockdown and blobs is to insure they never have a war.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.29 15:29:00 - [63] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 29/08/2011 15:30:04 Originally by: Xolani1990 Poetic, I really think you should start writing for EVE News 24 yourself, with the level of journalistic competency and integrity you encapsulate. First of all, not a journalist, nor do I claim to be. I write on topics that interest me. What was told to me might have been slightly exaggerated, but the point that EVE University wants to have NPC Corporation mechanics applied to it, so as to avoid wardecs, is accurate. Kelduum himself backs this up: He states he communicates regularly with CCP on games issues that could make EVE University's corporate existence easier. That is his job after all, as CEO of EVE University. His job is to further the goals of the University and make the game better for his students/employees. He states that he compiled, for CCP, a list of game mechanic changes that could be made that would facilitate making EVE University's corporate existence easier. He states that in the list was the suggestion of adding EVE University to an NPC "faction". I think he backed up the main issue in the article: EVE University as a semi-NPC corporate entity. The only question is how seriously did CCP take the suggestion, and how much conversation has there been (or is still ongoing) in that direction.
Naradius DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2011.08.29 16:00:00 - [64] Originally by: AnzacPaul This is probably the worst idea i've ever heard. Which is exactly why CCP will do it. You just cant argue with this reasoning!
fgft Athonille	Posted - 2011.08.29 16:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel The only question is how seriously did CCP take the suggestion, and how much conversation has there been (or is still ongoing) in that direction. they probably told him to go f* off and play wow like a good carebear scrublord. eve is harsh and you got to htfu or stfu. nobody should believe he has any weight with ccp because hes just an empire pubbie who specializes in wardec exploits. ban him Originally by:** Skippermonkey keep trying and you can be an hero just like fgft Athonille Originally by: Singeaboot Raj Tbh i am beginning to see the win - it's the haircut, makes people take notice.
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.08.29 16:02:00 - [66] it shouldnt be an npc corp. if ccp wants an npc training corp it should staff it itself and pay people to train people. all teh nex income could be well spent. dont get me wrong eve uni is great, but its great as a player run corp. it shoudl not get special treatment cos ccp are so ****ing lazy they wont do the job themselves
Goddess Ishtar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.29 16:36:00 - [67] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel I write on topics that interest me. Based on your post history you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Eve University.
Ranger 1 Amarr Ranger Corp	Posted - 2011.08.29 16:46:00 - [68] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 29/08/2011 16:47:15 Obviously this won't happen for EVE Uni, but personally I wouldn't mind a bit if in a limited fashion players could become part of the NPC corp management and have some minor influence on them. In fact, it would be very interesting if there was the potential for NPC corps to wage war on each other if a vote in favor of it was passed by a majority of the membership. Poetic, perhaps you should pursue a career in journalism. You took a footnote in a long list of idea's thrown out for discussion and managed to make it "sound" like offers have been made and plans are being discussed. If you took the time to be a bit more certain of your facts you could be the next Geraldo Rivera ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Karash Amerius Sutoka	Posted - 2011.08.29 17:40:00 - [69] I think the "problem" with wardecs vs E-UNI is not the mechanics per say, its the E-UNI WSOP. Its very stifling to the new players there to sit in station while one man corps grief their playtime. They can have all sorts of policies in place to deal with it, or encourage alts, but regular (new) players will still get fed up with it, regardless of the bureaucracy involved to mitigate it. ========================= Karash Amerius - Operative - Sutoka Fighting Broke - A Eve Online Blog =========================
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.29 19:00:00 - [70] Originally by: Goddess Ishtar Originally by: Poetic Stanziel I write on topics that interest me. Based on your post history you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Eve University. shrug I was with E-Uni for 3 months. What else was I going to write about? It's not like E-Uni actually develops relationships with other corps that I could have written about. The E-Uni principle is to keep as low a profile as possible, lest people wardec them. It's all about the wardecs, ya know! :) Maybe I'll write about the overview window next, and the podsaver tab. Why one shouldn't bounce to the sun (if one doesn't have safe spots) when an emergency scramble is called in fleet. :)

dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 00:22:00 - [71] Originally by: Bluecollar Tweaker This is the biggest LOL of all time. I always thought Incarna was a feature made just for EUNI and now we have lolproof. Heh, and even more so epic comedy because Keduum AND Silent Brick have both decided to throw down on the OP troll. You two are so full of yourselves... the lols just never end. Bottom line is this: Eve University is only important to themselves. They've been trying to get the game customized to their needs for years. They want everyone to believe they're here to help the game but the large majority of teachers/staff in the corporation have never played the game any other way; they've been in Eve University this whole time. The point is, what they teach is stale. Eve University is still egohurt over what happened to Big Blue and they are still playing the same game: LOCKDOWN. You want to see a fiefdom? Join Eve University... bunch of grown men trying to control the game of other people. I hope CCP gives them special privilege. It will be the final nail in the coffin for me, but at the same time CCP will get the education corporation they deserve, one that will teach everyone to be nice, mine, and above all else, don't undock... use that great new feature. +1 now to the OP. thats the sound of not a single f*** was given Do you seriously think that anyone in eve (bar the uni carebears) cares about the uni. As previously stated the uni wants to play the game of "Carebears online". I mean the uni bloc voted in the recent crowdsurfing for several things which make absolutely no difference to most of the players of eve (bar the uni). I mean medal changes ... Do you seriously think that anyone gives one about the people in charge of eve uni? Most the directors dont even login the game bar once a week for their mining ops. The reason they have the positions of power in the uni is because they never left the uni in the first place. PvP doesnt really exist in "carebears online". Admiral last pvped in 2007, still thinks he is a big shot and he is rightly so if you compare him to the carebears in the uni. Anyone with a real passion for pvp leaves the uni asap ofc (see above point about directors and never leaving the uni). The POS bash that never happened was hilarious especially when you realise that the Fail Admiral did so in retaliation to some troll leaked to EN24 which called him impotent ... thats the best way to prove yourself in PvP ... take a huge blob to shoot something that doesnt fight back and then gtfo. Another medal to the admiral. The fact that this guy is in control of the pvp side of Eve Uni is laughable (The corpse collector should be). But back to the topic poetic ... you dont seem like a bad guy. I glanced on your blog to see that you wanted to help the uni. However please realise that the uni doesnt want change or any help. The uni wants to stay the same and teach and play "carebears online" and anyone who doesnt adhere to this gets ostracised and kicked pretty sharpish. Be happy that you no longer have to adhere to double standards, be under the control of people who are less experienced that you or station spin in retaliation to war decs. Welcome to EvE and congratulations for undocking out of station "carebears online".
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 01:10:00 - [72] This post is lol-worthy to anyone who spends any time in the #tweetfleet. At least one in 50 tweets (in total) is her spamming links to her blog (she manages about 10 in the posts here!) which are incessant suppositions and rambles about things "she heard" or "knows from someone who knows" -- essentially trying to sound important and knowledgeable about issues she knows **** all about. As a final nail into the coffin of any credibility, she deletes any comments on her blog that she doesn't agree with, or point out errors in the post (such as rampant hear-say) There were several on this article alone. I know, I posted one of them. That said, the suggestion that this (and only this) corp should get any special treatment is ludicrous to the extreme. I am glad to see E-Uni directors / members bashing it down as nothing they've had a part of. I would contest that E-Uni in general is a terrible organisation of power-tripping carebears who REALLY need to find something better to do than force new players to stay docked, but that's not the discussion here. ---------------
Rikeka Eye of God	Posted - 2011.08.30 01:52:00 - [73] Hope is not true. EVEUni is awesome, but this would bring a lot of issues. And NPC corps should have their tax increased, not reduced.
Marius Labo Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.30 02:55:00 - [74] Edited by: Marius Labo on 30/08/2011 02:56:13 Originally by: Khanh'rhh That said, the suggestion that this (and only this) corp should get any special treatment is ludicrous to the extreme. I am glad to see E-Uni directors / members bashing it down as nothing they've had a part of. I would contest that E-Uni in general is a terrible organisation of power-tripping carebears who REALLY need to find something better to do than force new players to stay docked, but that's not the discussion here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, albiet it should be an informed opinion. I agree that the Uni should not receive any special treatment. I am not informed in the number of other larger corps that get wardecced by 1 (or a few) man corps but it would be interesting to see a comparison. When the Uni gets decced by a reasonably serious corp for PvP it can be quite fun. I do have to say that the conception that the Uni forces new (I suppose you mean all the membership, we do have many who are not so new) to stay docked up is incorrect. Our rules/wsop allow members to drop corp without penalty and return when the war is over, or even prior. The Uni gives all it's pilots the freedom to choose. We just ask that if they remain that they follow the rules. I had one pilot convo me asking permission to undock and move a ship that wasn't within the wsop. Naturally I couldn't do that, but the solution was that he dropped corp, moved his ship, and then we processed him back in. Really the only members that aren't "allowed" to drop are staff. During the faildecs, such as the last one, many Unistas undocked and carried on doing missions in fleets, and incursions. In fact Poetic herself participated in many. As you read through our wsop it's quite obvious that the point is to bring a wardec to a close so that normal operations can continue. Well the Uni isn't for everyone and we're definitely not everyone's favorite. You're definitely allowed your viewpoint that we're a terrible organization of power-tripping carebears. There are just thousands of pilots who have passed through the Uni that would disagree with you, and probably a few hundred that would agree. Marius Labo Student Relations Manager EVE University
Puk Gaai	Posted - 2011.08.30 03:08:00 - [75] Edited by: Puk Gaai on 30/08/2011 03:08:30 is this change for real?
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 03:13:00 - [76] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 03:14:59 Originally by: Marius Labo Edited by: Marius Labo on 30/08/2011 02:56:13 Originally by: Khanh'rhh That said, the suggestion that this (and only this) corp should get any special treatment is ludicrous to the extreme. I am glad to see E-Uni directors / members bashing it down as nothing they've had a part of. I would contest that E-Uni in general is a terrible organisation of power-tripping carebears who REALLY need to find something better to do than force new players to stay docked, but that's not the discussion here. Well the Uni isn't for ANY NON CAREBEAR PILOTS YOUNGER THAN A FEW MONTHS OF AGE and we're definitely NO ONES's favorite OTHER THAN OUR OWN. You're definitely allowed your viewpoint that we're a SAD organization of power-tripping carebears. There are just thousands of pilots who have passed through the Uni that would AGREE with you, and probably a few hundred that would DISAGREE. Marius Labo CareBear Relations Manager EVE University fixed that for you
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 06:37:00 - [77] Originally by: Khanh'rhh At least one in 50 tweets (in total) is her spamming links to her blog (she manages about 10 in the posts here!) which are incessant suppositions and rambles about things "she heard" or "knows from someone who knows" -- essentially trying to sound important and knowledgeable about issues she knows ** all about. You are probably correct. I will reduce the amount of "Hey, look at my blog" spam. Quote: As a final nail into the coffin of any credibility, she deletes any comments on her blog that she doesn't agree with, or point out errors in the post (such as rampant hear-say) There were several on this article alone. I know, I posted one of them. This is sort of true. Though I've only ever deleted three comments. Two were of the "Aren't you a precious little *" variety, and yours wasn't much better. I have some negative comments on the blog, but they're at least intelligently written. :)
Provence Tristram	Posted - 2011.08.30 07:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Bluecollar Tweaker Bottom line is this: Eve University is only important to themselves. They've been trying to get the game customized to their needs for years. They want everyone to believe they're here to help the game but the large majority of teachers/staff in the corporation have never played the game any other way; they've been in Eve University this whole time. The point is, what they teach is stale. Eve University is still egohurt over what happened to Big Blue and they are still playing the same game: LOCKDOWN. You want to see a fiefdom? Join Eve University... bunch of grown men trying to control the game of other people. The true irony is this is the same -- legitimate -- criticism that has been fielded against real-life universities for decades; that their professors have little real-life experience. Instead of teaching people to be practical participants in society, they instead teach them to be good gears in the machine of the college world; and those two skillsets could hardly be more opposed. I believe that such complaints leveled against EUNI are fair -- I don't know if their hand-holding really accomplishes much of anything. You can learn most of the basic things you need to know about EVE in under a month. After that, membership in a good, real corp is going to go a lot further towards polishing a person as a player than continuing to languish in EUNI. Quote: I hope CCP gives them special privilege. It will be the final nail in the coffin for me, but at the same time CCP will get the education corporation they deserve, one that will teach everyone to be nice, mine, and above all else, don't undock... use that great new feature. It might be hopes the CCP has learned, at least temporarily, to keep their collective hands off the hot stove. This idea doesn't seem popular, and could create yet another scandal. That's the last thing CCP wants or needs right now. If there was any truth behind these rumors, this thread might have killed all momentum such a proposal ever had.
Daquaris Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.30 07:37:00 - [79] B0RT is my noobcorp. Just sayin.
BoodaBooda Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.30 07:39:00 - [80] What does my corp get for single-handedly launching the EVE careers of thousands of reddit.com members, and promoting the game through media and external-community discussion? Oh right, nothing.

Sultry Sinner	Posted - 2011.08.30 07:45:00 - [81] Originally by: BoodaBooda What does my corp get for single-handedly launching the EVE careers of thousands of reddit.com members, and promoting the game through media and external-community discussion? Oh right, nothing. ~~MY CEO~~
Daquaris Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.30 07:46:00 - [82] Originally by: Sultry Sinner Originally by: BoodaBooda What does my corp get for single-handedly launching the EVE careers of thousands of reddit.com members, and promoting the game through media and external-community discussion? Oh right, nothing. ~~MY CEO~~ ~~CEO OF MY HEART~~
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.30 08:09:00 - [83] and the best part about this is it was one big troll. Poetic spouted off some hearsay, uni directors pretty much tell him he got trolled and he burns what little credibility he had left trying to claim that things Kelduum has said as a joke were in fact serious.
BoodaBooda Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.30 08:12:00 - [84] YOU OWE ME, CCP You owe me
theDisto	Posted - 2011.08.30 08:15:00 - [85] So the idea of this change would be not to teach Eve Uni graduates about war decs? I'm not against this change as it doesn't effect me but bear in mind what this would mean.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 08:22:00 - [86] Well, that was fun. A bit of short-lived vindictive fun. Kelduum b!tched that I was kicked because I'd increased his workload (in reality it was his whiny staff who increased his workload), so figured, as a parting gesture, I'd increase the whine from his subordinates three-fold for a few days. :) If there is one thing the Uni hates, it is being the center of any negative attention, it defeats the purpose of being low-profile. (That EN24 troll, as bad and illiterate and unfocused as it was, had the Uni in an angry whirl for days.) That, and he kicked me for a fairly innocuous post that criticised the need for covert ops certifications in the UNI (counter-productive and contradictory.) Did I blow something out of proportion? Yes. Definitely. Isn't that what trolling is all about? The idea of E-UNI becoming part of an NPC faction/alliance was second hand info, but I knew it was true at the heart (if the exact details were likely to be muddled/exaggerated.) I knew it to be something Kelduum had mentioned to his director/management troops. (Kelduum loves to keep his people informed on his direct dealings with CCP.) Unlike the EN24 troll, at least I knew there was something factual at the heart of it. The Uni hates leaks of that sort more than anything else. This thread couldn't have maintained itself for much more than a page of posts ... until Kelduum posted. That was total win, since he pretty much verified himself that he had indeed sent off such a suggestion to CCP. (He should have remained silent.) Once he had posted, it was easy to re-quote him in such a way as to control and direct the conversation into one specific area ... E-UNI as unwardeccable. And yes, he probably didn't take his suggestion to CCP very seriously (I wonder, though, how seriously CCP, the corporation of bad decisions, took the suggestion?) If there's anything EVE Online players cannot stand, it is the idea of any group of players getting special privilege from CCP. The extra bonus win was Silentbrick's post. (That dude should not be allowed to speak for the Uni. He's the worst director the Uni has, is never online, and wears his e-peen title like a crown of gold.) Dude, should have at least read his boss' post first. Good fun. My little snit/tantrum is over. I'm still proud to have been a Unista. I still think the University has a valuable role to play in EVE Online. And the University still has a great number of excellent people (minus a number of no-show directors and managers. The UniWiki states the Uni is a meritocracy, but it is far from it.) I still think Kelduum is a pretty great guy. I still believe he'd be a great representative for CSM7. The only director at the Uni who is involved with the Uni on a daily basis. Anyhow, good fun for a couple days. With the new forums coming, this thread will be dead soon enough. There's still the question of why Kelduum would have thought moving the Uni into an NPC faction/alliance might be a good idea (yeah, he does hate wardecs), and how seriously CCP took the idea. But if it was something CCP might have been considering, hopefully it is no longer on the table. Personally, I still think wardec prices should be increased ... or at least an option to re-bribe CONCORD to end a war. The Uni's wardec problems aren't so much the wardecs themselves as a) they are dirt cheap, and b) the Uni WSOP (Defcon 5). The Uni could solve half its problems by creating a more flexible WSOP (they've gone someway towards that with their Relaxed WSOP, but not far enough.) As an aside, it would be helpful for developing good Uni policy if someone were to set aside 10B ISK and dec the Uni for 6 months straight. They couldn't stay bottled up that long, and if they did, it would decimate their membership. They'd have to implement change to survive.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 08:55:00 - [87] Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Poetic spouted off some hearsay, uni directors pretty much tell him he got trolled and he burns what little credibility he had left trying to claim that things Kelduum has said as a joke were in fact serious. It wasn't a joke suggestion, though. Kelduum is not in the habit of sending off a list of suggestions to CCP, along with a special section labelled HUMOURS. Kelduum's not in the habit of wasting CCP's time. It was a serious suggestion, even if Kelduum didn't place much stock in CCP taking it seriously. If CCP had taken it seriously (they may have to some degree, who knows), I'm sure he would have been happier than hell. No more wardecs. Kelduum (and most of the membership) would love a University that couldn't be wardecced non-mutually. You know it. And I know it.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.08.30 09:51:00 - [88] Please move this trash to CAOD, it hurts my eyes ---------------
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.08.30 10:06:00 - [89] Originally by: BoodaBooda What does my corp get for single-handedly launching the EVE careers of thousands of reddit.com members, and promoting the game through media and external-community discussion? Oh right, nothing. You did it from nullsec so it doesn't count Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Written Word Written Word's Tax Haven	Posted - 2011.08.30 10:13:00 - [90] I was wondering when this was going to go "I wus just trollin gaiz" route

Kelduum Revaan EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.30 11:01:00 - [91] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Kelduum would love a University that couldn't be wardecced non-mutually. You keep repeating this, as if you are attempting to convince yourself it is fact. Here are the actual facts: - I swapped the Uni to NBSI after almost seven years of it being NRDS. - I moved the HQ to be closer to a lot of losec hang-outs. - I spent many hours rewriting the war rules to be clearer, and less restrictive. - I am often disappointed that people fail to bring the PvP after spending their money. - I have stated, many, many times that wardecs against an appropriate force are great. - Yesterday I finally launched a new E-UNI killboard with 'achievements' for PvP kills, as many studies have shown it's a good motivator. PvP is good, Wars are good. Wars where there is nobody to fight are boring for both sides, and I would love CCP to look at a way to dissuade or otherwise negate these one day. Coming up next week from Poetic: E-UNI members all get given a new battleship with 100% resists and filled with PLEX, and Uni Directors all get GM modules and the ability to teleport around. _____
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 11:49:00 - [92] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 11:51:46 Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Coming up next week from Poetic: E-UNI members all get given a new battleship with 100% resists and filled with PLEX, and Uni Directors all get GM modules and the ability to teleport around. Nah, you deserve your teleporting super-powers. ;) As for wars being good ... ask for one ... from an ex-Unista alliance. I brought the possibility of one to your attention. All your managers and directors shot it down. They are your mouthpieces, no? If you ACTUALLY think wars are good, then arrange a good one. Overrule your carebears and do it. Don't stretch it into some 3-month long bureaucratic debate. It's easy to say you like wars, but when is the last time you arranged a mutual wardec (a lot of good corps that would bring a good fight.) Director versus student fights are meaningless. (Though, it is about the only time you'll see more than two directors online at the same time.) And you moved HQ because you were originally too close to Jita and getting wardecced too often. You moved to an out-of-the-way locale. Less Uni visibility. Less wardecs. You switched to NBSI after ILN's Battlegroup 1 threatened to revolt. As for the new killboard, since it isn't hooked into EVSCO (and you've stated it won't be), it is a good way to further insularize the Uni from the rest of the game. The WSOP rewrite is much clearer. It was a good investment of your time doing that. Less restrictive? Not really. You added the ability to do incursion fleets during Relaxed WSOPs (which was a good addition) and the ability to run wormholes at any time (although due to the Covert Ops Certification, this makes running wormholes impractical, and I know of no one who did during the last two wars ... I was going too ... but was told I could not use my Helios to scan down wormholes or use them to scout the wormholes themselves ... so I decided against it ... it's straight dumb to do wormhole scouting in a T1 frigate with an Improved Cloak II.)
Effortless Breeze Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2011.08.30 12:29:00 - [93] Edited by: Effortless Breeze on 30/08/2011 12:33:33 Edited by: Effortless Breeze on 30/08/2011 12:29:08 Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Wars where there is nobody to fight are boring for both sides, and I would love CCP to look at a way to dissuade or otherwise negate these one day. Amen brother. People who start one man wardecs without the slightest intention of boat violence need to be banned. Human After All Veldspar Defence Force I'd start with these two. .... or am I just dreaming?
Spurty Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.08.30 12:47:00 - [94] Waste of isk war dec ing eve uni. Going to make some phat isk off of that investment? Going to take their space? The war dec issue is almost a non-issue. You can't just jump in at will to avoid fighting like the NPC corps. Chuckle, "over thinkers united 0 - an idea thrown around in some meeting 2" The game could do with something other than the NPC but not sure everyone wants to go to university :-) Meet CCP Rick Roller
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.08.30 12:55:00 - [95] It strikes me that EVE Uni really doesn't need to be made an NPC corp. Being at war is part of the game, and new players shouldn't be deprived of participating in that. Yeah, they'll die a lot, but that is part of the game. Trying to pretend otherwise will just have them quit when their shinies get blown up when they've moved to a proper player corp. Ye'llo?
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 13:01:00 - [96] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel This is sort of true. Though I've only ever deleted three comments. Two were of the "Aren't you a precious little *" variety, and yours wasn't much better. I have some negative comments on the blog, but they're at least intelligently written. :) Utterly, ing, pathetic. You don't get to delete comments, and then smack that they were pointless. What the planet are you on? The comments made were the same I made here, anyway. The same countless people have made about that stinking cess pile you call a blog. Originally by:** Marius Labo Everyone is entitled to their opinion, albiet it should be an informed opinion. I've had an alt in E-Uni. It was depressing. I knew more about combat mechanics than your so-called "lecturers" after three months of learning it myself. I'm less than a year into the game and I could pick apart half of your wiki as being either a) Assumptive b) Misleading or c)Flat out wrong. Quote: I do have to say that the conception that the Uni forces new (I suppose you mean all the membership, we do have many who are not so new) to stay docked up is incorrect. Our rules/wsop allow members to drop corp without penalty and return when the war is over I know your rules. They're stupid to the extreeme, and anyone questioning "Why this ..?" is instantly stomped on. Even here, you're basically saying "stay docked or leave corp". Awesome list of options. For instance, it is a hard and fast rule to NEVER RIG T1 frigates. To keep down costs, presumably. What the ** is that bull? It'll cost you 150k in total to stick on burst and collision projectile rigs on a Rifter (BANNED!!! DO NOT DO THIS!! OMG!! RULES!!) Or 850k to stick on one T2 gyrostab (DO THIS! T2! FTW!). No. ing. Common. Sense. Just convenient catch-all rules that make the directors life easier, and harms students... which is why the whole thing is a steaming pile of fail. Quote:** I am not informed in the number of other larger corps that get wardecced by 1 (or a few) man corps but it would be interesting to see a comparison Any "PVE" or "Industry / mining" corp will see at least a third of their time under a dec, in my experience. It varies, of course, but E-Uni aren't unique in being a target. Do the wardec mechanics need to be re-written? No. A thousand times no. If one person (or 5 .. or 10...) can force a 2000 member alliance into a "lockdown" mode, more power to them. It's YOUR fault that they are able to do this. What .. you can't scout? You can't teach to watch local? You're already wardecced half the time so bleats and moans that removing "easy targets" discourages wardecs is a bit moot, no? Learn to Eve. ---------------
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 13:33:00 - [97] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 13:36:43 Originally by: Khanh'rhh For instance, it is a hard and fast rule to NEVER RIG T1 frigates. To keep down costs, presumably. What the ** is that bull? It'll cost you 150k in total to stick on burst and collision projectile rigs on a Rifter (BANNED!!! DO NOT DO THIS!! OMG!! RULES!!) Or 850k to stick on one T2 gyrostab (DO THIS! T2! FTW!). No. *ing. Common. Sense. Just convenient catch-all rules that make the directors life easier, and harms students... which is why the whole thing is a steaming pile of fail. One of the many contradictions that are systemic throughout the E-UNI rules and regulations. They could just tell their students that "No T1 frigate, during war, can have a value greater than 5M ISK (as determined by EFT)*." That's still a bad rule, but a far better rule than the nonsensical disallowing of cheap rigs on T1 frigates, while still allowing expensive T2 modules. Of course, they won't change. Because some "clever" director came up with the current rule, and to suggest a change to something that makes sense would be to a) call them out as they idiot they are, and b) undermine their supreme authoritah.
Pester Tuk	Posted - 2011.08.30 13:46:00 - [98] Poetic Stanziel - Editor of Star Magazine: New Eden
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 14:35:00 - [99] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 14:35:45 Originally by: Pester Tuk Poetic Stanziel - Editor of Star Magazine: New Eden Pandemic Legion's Shadoo Talks About Growing Up In Jita "I used to screw with the armor systems of new pilots. Armor hacks!" Sudden Buggery's Khanh'rhh Dishes On His Love Affair With Azmodeus Valar "It was oh so hot for awhile, the sex was great, but eventually I got tired of her telling me what to do." Mintchip on Motherhood, ISK & More "A baby can sell for well over 10B ISK to the right Russian Corp." Effortless Breeze's Wild Night In Hek "They were stoned on Mindflood and Nerve Stick for days."
Malcom Vincent	Posted - 2011.08.30 14:37:00 - [100] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/08/2011 13:01:00 Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/08/2011 13:00:34 It strikes me that EVE Uni really doesn't need to be made an NPC corp. Being at war is part of the game, and new players shouldn't be deprived of participating in that. Yeah, they'll die a lot, but that is part of the game. Trying to pretend otherwise will just have them quit when their shinies get blown up when they've moved to a proper player corp. 20-40 frigates fitted for PvP can be VERY dangerous (and cost effective). Heck, I participated in a small rookieship fleet that almost took down a battleship (escaped though the stargate at 35%-ish hull, lucky SoB). Eve Uni member here, chiming in with my perspective on the wardecs :) The wardecs we get regularly are usually very 1-sided battles. Allthough there are sometimes potential for some combat what usually happens is that our Wartarget docks up after a day or two and doesn't field anything after that. Personally, I find these faildecs somewhat boring because I am expecting people to show up to fight, but strangely enough this works out well for me as a result of social mechanics and our war rules. Wardecs put uni people a bit more on edge than usual, so more of them are wanting to see some blood. The result of a no-show Wartarget is that we usually have more fleets and more uni players going out to get pvp from players who aren't afraid to meet us. As far as learning about wardecs go, the rules on wardecs are usually gone through on a daily basis on Mumble (what does it cost, what does it mean - ie. the mechanics themselves). Which is why you won't find many classes on wardecs (we simply get them so often that its not really nessisary to teach it after 3 months). As for avoiding it, I've not personally found it nessisary to leave the uni during wars since I still learn during wartime. I may not be allowed to lolpve in my shiny BS, but thats not the point of being in the uni either. Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice.

Puk Gaai	Posted - 2011.08.30 14:54:00 - [101] Edited by: Puk Gaai on 30/08/2011 14:54:22 so this thread is about a wild dream rather than anything of real substance?
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 14:57:00 - [102] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 15:04:42 Originally by: Malcom Vincent Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice. Err. What's wrong with losing ships again? And what's wrong with flying through Rancer? I'm not a pu55y. Which is what the Uni teaches most students. How to be a pu55y. The Rancer loss. That was my first loss there in that ship in about 10 trips through Rancer. I had 40M in cargo on the trip to Jita. None on the way back to Hek. When I jumped through, I landed within 2km of a can. Could not cloak. That would have been the same result (death) in any cloakie. The Lamadent death. I did my P.I. there for quite awhile. One loss in close to 100 hauling runs into there. Hek -> Otou -> Lamadent -> Otou -> Hek. Pretty good record, if you ask me. Don't assume I don't know what the **** I'm doing with those ships. They serve me well. If I followed what the Uni taught us, I'd never have any fun. Rancer is a blast. Too bad you're missing out. But you know, carebear it up in highsec. That's what they're teaching you, after all. PS Did Azmodeus give you permission to post in this thread? You may be in some trouble, young man. She doesn't like Unistas posting in these sorts of threads. Draws attention to the Uni. Wardecs and all.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:02:00 - [103] @ Malcolm i hope you got permission to post on here bud, otherwise you may get the same treatment as Poetic. Namely a kick from the Uni, a lot of carebears disliking you and a ban from the Uni forums. Then again you may actually play Eve Online.
Goddess Ishtar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:03:00 - [104] Poetic your strange obsession with Eve University is starting to get creepy.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:04:00 - [105] Originally by: Goddess Ishtar Poetic your strange obsession with Eve University is starting to get creepy. What obsession? It's the same thread. :) Every Uni post I made previously, I was in the damned Uni. I've posted once about the Uni since I've been out.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:20:00 - [106] With the large numbers of players like Poetic who are dissatisfied with what Eve Uni does, is it any wonder why the n00b corp seems to be wardecced by 1 man corporations every other week? So much so that the n00b corp needs to make at least 2 alt 1 man corps to self war dec themselves in order to "protect" themselves (i.e. making it more expensive to be declared war upon). Instead they still get fail decced and additionally have to pay isk to cover the subscriptions of alt corps and to cover the self war dec fees. The Uni Dec Shield clearly works well ... And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ... Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:23:00 - [107] Originally by: dum dumdum And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ... Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE. Did you even read the thread? ---------------
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:30:00 - [108] Originally by: dum dumdum @ Poetic It seems you are a bit (understatement) butthurt over the n00b training corp. Instead of posting chinese whispers and trying to generate attention, I encourage you to write another topic regarding the Eve Uni problems that you clearly have taken great offence to. Not so much butthurt over getting the boot (that's fine, I got my graduate medal, and that's all I wanted) ... more butthurt over the fact that none of them can accept any sort of valid criticism of their rules, and they see it as a direct attack on their institution. If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat. But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: dum dumdum And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ... Did you even read the thread? Did you? Kelduum said he sent off a list of fixes to the wardec mechanics. Basically to make it more difficult (or much more expensive) for the Uni to be wardecced. That part of this thread in incontrovertible. And he did also suggest that the Uni be added to the CONCORD alliance/faction. (I blew that out of proportion for my own purposes ... but he did suggest that to CCP.)
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:33:00 - [110] Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: dum dumdum And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ... Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE. Did you even read the thread? Yes i did. Lemme summarise it for you ... TLDR - I have outgrown the Uni. I realise that some people in the Uni staff are power tripping carebears. I tried to address this and got kicked. I am butthurt over it and have started a thread which main purpose is to troll the Uni by trying to pass off something i heard from someone who heard it themselves, as something sensationalising and plausible. I also wanted to generate some publicity for myself and my blog. The same power hungry carebears reacted as expected and posted to defend their E-Honour and to try and pass off the Uni Corp as something other than a carebear corp that goes to great lengths to try and avoid war decs and PvP. I succeeded in "exposing" the Uni. I succeeded in trolling because some people actually think CCP is going to make Eve Uni into a unwardeccable NPC corp. - Did i miss anything out?

Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:36:00 - [111] Originally by: Malcom Vincent Eve Uni member here, chiming in with my perspective on the wardecs :) I hope you asked permission to post? I wouldn't want you to post opinions that are your own. God forbid it! Why ... yes ... I ... I can feel it! I have a sudden urge to wardec E-Uni! Because of your post! Mwuhhahahahahaaaa /emote gets dragged away. ANYWAY. Quote: Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice. So you've been in E-Uni nearly 9months ... and you don't recognise a MWD-trick fit? Pro-teaching, guys. So I looked this up on your Wiki, and found this. No wonder you're clueless. The article is written from the POV of a clueless carebear (derogatory comments), is riddled with errors, and lacks all the pertinent information. Such as, how to fit an Iteron (or any hauler) to do it.... as it does not work with the 1mn that you'd normally fit. Nor does it work without the Improved Cloaking device .. which this article fails to mention ... and you end up insulting her for. For an example of how the Uni points out incorrect or incomplete information, and proliferates it to the detriment of all, I couldn't have asked for a better example to illustrate my point. So thanks. ---------------
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:43:00 - [112] Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: dum dumdum And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ... Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE. Did you even read the thread? Yes i did. Lemme summarise it for you ... TLDR - [snip] Did i miss anything out? Apart from the bit where Keld asking CCP for NPC corp-like protection being a totally made up "fact", no. ---------------
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:48:00 - [113] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum @ Poetic It seems you are a bit (understatement) butthurt over the n00b training corp. Instead of posting chinese whispers and trying to generate attention, I encourage you to write another topic regarding the Eve Uni problems that you clearly have taken great offence to. Not so much butthurt over getting the boot (that's fine, I got my graduate medal, and that's all I wanted) ... more butthurt over the fact that none of them can accept any sort of valid criticism of their rules, and they see it as a direct attack on their institution. If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat. But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky. A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni. It really doesnt and i have recruited for some medium sized corps in the past and we have never given any preference to players with the carebear medal. All it shows is that they stayed in a n00b corp for 3+ months and have learned something about Eve. From personal experience uni graduates have been amazingly good or incredibly terrible. Whaat they all were is quite carebearly and almost like a role playing person. They always ask permission to do almost everything. "can i undock", "can i fit my ship like this", "can i come on this fleet", "how do i X up for a fleet". They usually need a degree of hand holding to start. Im not suprised given how the uni "trains" them. Apparently graduates can get a medal without even doing any form of PvP which given that Eve is a PvP game entrely, is hilariously laughable. B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing. Yes any organised corp can easily crush the Uni in the way you have described. However though, who really cares ... Most of these uni fleets fly only t1 ships (usually frigs and cruisers) fitted with mostly non t2 modules. Most of the fleet are n00bs who will fly straight towards you to try and tackle. Most of the FCs are doing it for the first few times (veteran FCs dont stay in the Uni long of course, the Uni isnt known for its PvP prowess, Admiral Silentn00b being a prime example of this). So tearing apart a uni fleet in normal circumstances isnt a hard task. Glancing on their killboard a fleet of 20+ took over 14 losses to a single tengu (even losing a curse) with the tengu getting away. Shooting fish in a barrel. Beating a bunch of n00bs isnt hard or satisfying. Keeping them wardecced is boring anyway. They self war dec themselves anyway ... Any organisation with the ability to crush the Uni dont care to do so because it is not a real accomplishment. With that effort they can establish themselves in lowsec / nullsec and enjoy "better" pvp than killing carebears roleplaying PvPers. Most people just ignore the n00b corp for what they are and play EvE and let the Uni play Carebears Online. I feel that you should do the same.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 15:51:00 - [114] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game. To the LEAD FARMER. What would be Kelduum's rationale for suggesting E-UNI be added to the CONCORD faction? You wardec the alliance a corp is in (not just the corp). If a player-run corp belongs to an NPC faction/alliance, it would be unwardeccable. I didn't make it up, dude. He suggested it to CCP. (They probably ignored it.) I simply trolled on that one issue alone. Does invalidate that it was an idea he came up with and sent along to CCP.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:01:00 - [115] Originally by: dum dumdum Admiral Silentn00b Funny Silentb00b story. Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him. In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded. This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU. Good times. The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:04:00 - [116] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game. To the LEAD FARMER. What would be Kelduum's rationale for suggesting E-UNI be added to the CONCORD faction? How the bloody hell should I know? If he was angling for wardec immunity by it, then I'd be as **ed as the next guy. However, I don't have all the facts infront of me; unlike some people, it would seem, I know better to make baseless assumptions based on a snippet of forum **. ---------------
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:05:00 - [117] Originally by: dum dumdum Most of these uni fleets fly only t1 ships (usually frigs and cruisers) fitted with mostly non t2 modules. Most of the fleet are n00bs who will fly straight towards you to try and tackle. Most of the FCs are doing it for the first few times (veteran FCs dont stay in the Uni long of course, the Uni isnt known for its PvP prowess, Admiral Silentn00b being a prime example of this). So tearing apart a uni fleet in normal circumstances isnt a hard task. Glancing on their killboard a fleet of 20+ took over 14 losses to a single tengu (even losing a curse) with the tengu getting away. Shooting fish in a barrel. Yeah ... and no. The failure in a fleet like this, is that the Uni members have NO IDEA on the role their ship is meant to perform in a fleet or gang. All they learn is "More numbers, more DPS, more ECM" ... it's pretty much their mantra. So, naturally, a kiting Tengu is going to tear them apart, as they are not taught anything other than orbit at 500, F1. The curse wasn't even fitted with neuts. The. Curse. Had. No. Neuts. THE CURSE HAD NO NEUTS!! There was a curse, and it did not have neuts fitted. If there's ever an example of people not being taught / not learning a ships role, it is a curse without energy neutralizers. One last time .. the best neut ship in the game ... had none fitted. T1 autocannons were where they should have been. I could laugh, but it's just sad. ---------------
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:05:00 - [118] Originally by: dum dumdum A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni I wanted it for myself. I did spend three months putting up with their rules. I deserve my medal. Quote: B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing. Point would not be the quality PvP (thus the monetary enticement for folks to kill them.) Point would be to use the WSOP as a weapon against the Uni. They'd either adapt and change or die. Six months under full WSOP, they'd be left with only a few hundred members at that point. Anyhow, more of a thought exercise on how to give them a clean slate from which to work.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:11:00 - [119] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:13:05 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum Admiral Silentn00b Funny Silentb00b story. Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him. In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded. This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU. Good times. The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class. You do know that this fleet was in response to this EN24 Troll The Rear Admiral wanted to disprove his pvp impotency by leading a great fleet to do a nice POS Bash. Last minute n00bing around lead him to realise that shooting a POS which actually has some defence may lead to actually risking your ship in pvp. Deterred by this revalation, Silentn00b instead decided to do what you have described. Thats the way to show leadership and prowess in PvP. Get embarassed in front of a fleet of over 100, twice in the same night, because you are in reality a closet carebear. Its a good thing he is online online once every other week or fortnight, allows him to ignore the shame. In Silentn00bs own words "Who am I? I'm a Miner, Industrialist, Mission Runner, T2 Producer who enjoys the finer things in EVE Online. You know, killing pirates and slaughtering poor helpless war targets while lapping up the tears of griefers" "In EVE Online, I am Silentbrick. Fleet Admiral and Military Director of Eve University and the Ivy League Alliance.". I bolded the important parts, please ignore the rest as roleplaying.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:22:00 - [120] Originally by: Khanh'rhh Originally by: dum dumdum Most of these uni fleets fly only t1 ships (usually frigs and cruisers) fitted with mostly non t2 modules. Most of the fleet are n00bs who will fly straight towards you to try and tackle. Most of the FCs are doing it for the first few times (veteran FCs dont stay in the Uni long of course, the Uni isnt known for its PvP prowess, Admiral Silentn00b being a prime example of this). So tearing apart a uni fleet in normal circumstances isnt a hard task. Glancing on their killboard a fleet of 20+ took over 14 losses to a single tengu (even losing a curse) with the tengu getting away. Shooting fish in a barrel. Yeah ... and no. The failure in a fleet like this, is that the Uni members have NO IDEA on the role their ship is meant to perform in a fleet or gang. All they learn is "More numbers, more DPS, more ECM" ... it's pretty much their mantra. So, naturally, a kiting Tengu is going to tear them apart, as they are not taught anything other than orbit at 500, F1. The curse wasn't even fitted with neuts. The. Curse. Had. No. Neuts. THE CURSE HAD NO NEUTS!! There was a curse, and it did not have neuts fitted. If there's ever an example of people not being taught / not learning a ships role, it is a curse without energy neutralizers. One last time .. the best neut ship in the game ... had none fitted. T1 autocannons were where they should have been. I could laugh, but it's just sad. Well to give some insight here, its not exactly the pilots fault. They simply arent taught how to pvp. As previously stated again and again the ILN (ivy league navy) is a joke. Most PvP capable pilots leave the Uni asap because of this. This leaves little in the way of capable pilots to pass on their experience and teach. From one uni graduate in my corp atm, his first hand experience of Uni fleets is basically "we have lots of ships that are cheap and throwaway so if we lose them, we dont lose much isk in terms of efficiency. The Uni tactics involve tackling them, blobbing them, ECMing them and dpsing them down". With this being the ILN way of PvP is there any room for suprise when the Uni fleets spectacularily fail. It does seem odd that losing a terribad fitted curse to a single tengu is OK with the Uni however scouting in a Cov Ops (which is almost impossible to lose barring extreme pilot stupidity or extreme unluckiness) is a NO NO NO. I also assume that the pilots on that fleet have no idea about how tengus are fitted for non carebear activities. I also wager that they would not understand why that tengu probably had a 100MN fitted. Its sad indeed if you believe the Uni Words that they are the "Best Training corp for Eve Pilots". Then again we all know they teach carebear and little else so its nothing suprising here.

dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:27:00 - [121] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:33:46 Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: dum dumdum And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ... Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE. Did you even read the thread? Yes i did. Lemme summarise it for you ... TLDR - [snip] Did i miss anything out? Apart from the bit where Keld asking CCP for NPC corp-like protection being a totally made up "fact", no. The same power hungry carebears reacted as expected and posted to defend their E-Honour and to try and pass off the Uni Corp as something other than a carebear corp that goes to great lengths to try and avoid war decs and PvP. I am suprised. I thought you would leap to the defence of the Uni staff whose Ehonor and Epeen i have tarnished. But instead you seem to agree. Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni I wanted it for myself. I did spend three months putting up with their rules. I deserve my medal. Quote: B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing. Point would not be the quality PvP (thus the monetary enticement for folks to kill them.) Point would be to use the WSOP as a weapon against the Uni. They'd either adapt and change or die. Six months under full WSOP, they'd be left with only a few hundred members at that point. Anyhow, more of a thought exercise on how to give them a clean slate from which to work. A) Fair enough. B) The WSOP has always been a weapon against the Uni. Thats why most of the bearbears leave every wardec. The ones who stay fly fail fleets (1%) and station spin (99%). True a prolonged wardec of months may make things worse. However the carebear corp will think of ways to avoid this. Perhaps Making another alliance and corp (Ivy League Mk II & Eve University Mk II) and basically jumping corps during each war dec. I dont put anything past these power tripping carebears anymore. Not since they waste isk making accounts to self war dec themselves in a vain effort to stop the wardecs.
Goddess Ishtar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:37:00 - [122] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel What obsession? Originally by: Poetic Stanziel If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat. But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:39:00 - [123] I wish there were more threads like this. Makes me pine a bit for the old 'Hub Zero' threads. As much as I loathe melodrama, I love reading about it. Gotta chuckle a bit at OP. 'I hate these guys but I'm gonna vote for them but if I had 50B ISK I'd KILL THEM ALL but oooh, look at the shiny medal they gave me!' Want to buy a monocle?
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:46:00 - [124] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson I wish there were more threads like this. Makes me pine a bit for the old 'Hub Zero' threads. As much as I loathe melodrama, I love reading about it. Gotta chuckle a bit at OP. 'I hate these guys but I'm gonna vote for them but if I had 50B ISK I'd KILL THEM ALL but oooh, look at the shiny medal they gave me!' Love-hate. They do some good for the game. But they also have a directorate of self-entitled dumbasses.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:48:00 - [125] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:48:28 Funny that innitially the Eve Uni guys were quick to post and defend their E-Honor (at least those who are ALLOWED to in the EVE UNI LONG BORING LIST OF RULES OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO). Now its just silence. Guess there is no more denial ... The Drama LLama has pointed out some terrible truths in the Uni management causing others to point out even more. I wouldnt be suprised if the carebear management have called an EMERGENCY SUMMIT to discuss how to progess... Next on EN24. Eve University Latest Scandal. Kelduum actually UNDOCKS and leads a fleet to PvP some asteroids to improve Carebear MORALE. The Uni is quoted to be back at "WINNING EVE"
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:48:00 - [126] Originally by: dum dumdum Well to give some insight here, its not exactly the pilots fault. They simply arent taught how to pvp It might have got lost a little in the garble, but that is essentially the point I was trying to make. Obviously it's not the new players fault; it's the fault of the "FC" who knows nothing other than the battle tactic you described. ---------------
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 16:53:00 - [127] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:54:04 Originally by: Khanh'rhh Originally by: dum dumdum Well to give some insight here, its not exactly the pilots fault. They simply arent taught how to pvp It might have got lost a little in the garble, but that is essentially the point I was trying to make. Obviously it's not the new players fault; it's the fault of the "FC" who knows nothing other than the battle tactic you described. Given that the Uni "encourages anyone to step up and be a FC" its not suprising that the Uni Fleets are a joke. I am all for people learning through experience and that will always involve losing ships. However the blind leading the blind approach of the Uni will lead to epic fail. Hence you arent allowed to rig your frigs and you are not ALLOWED to fly some t2 ships because its Uni policy that their intended result is that the uni fleets end in fail. "We didnt want those ships anyway"
Korr'Tanas EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:08:00 - [128] Originally by: dum dumdum Funny that innitially the Eve Uni guys were quick to post and defend their E-Honor (at least those who are ALLOWED to in the EVE UNI LONG BORING LIST OF RULES OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO). All uni pilots are allowed to post here actually. Must be some other reason why pretty much no one bothers to.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:22:00 - [129] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 17:23:04 Originally by: Korr'Tanas Originally by: dum dumdum Funny that innitially the Eve Uni guys were quick to post and defend their E-Honor (at least those who are ALLOWED to in the EVE UNI LONG BORING LIST OF RULES OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO). All uni pilots are allowed to post here actually. Must be some other reason why pretty much no one bothers to. As much respect as i have for you Korrtanas (<3 the dragon slaying OPs) im sure Azmodeous and Co can refute you on that. Perhaps a refresher on Welcome to Eve Uni class is needed. Funnily enough the class is more about "rules of what you cannot do while in Eve Uni" rather than anything else. Start as the carebears mean to carry on.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:26:00 - [130] Originally by: Korr'Tanas Originally by: dum dumdum Funny that innitially the Eve Uni guys were quick to post and defend their E-Honor (at least those who are ALLOWED to in the EVE UNI LONG BORING LIST OF RULES OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO). All uni pilots are allowed to post here actually. Must be some other reason why pretty much no one bothers to. Azmodeus: "It should go without saying that students should not be posting in this thread. Let management take care of it."

Korr'Tanas EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:28:00 - [131] Trust me, I know the rules. This isn't CAOD, uni pilots are allowed to post in this thread.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:31:00 - [132] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 17:32:50 Originally by: Korr'Tanas Trust me, I know the rules. This isn't CAOD, uni pilots are allowed to post in this thread. Ok, i wont continue to further argue on this point. Also when is the next dragon slayer? Seems that the Uni needs a morale booster. I can provide a carrier if you can pay for it (after subtracting the insurance ofc). Compared to how much isk the Uni wastes on Faildecshield, it would be a good investment and a boost to your killboard. Plus i heard that it wont be the first time that the uni stages a kill to improve morale "70+ shooters on a single Pod".
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:38:00 - [133] Originally by: Korr'Tanas Trust me, I know the rules. This isn't CAOD, uni pilots are allowed to post in this thread. I got in **** for posting at EN24. The posting rules are kind of as Azmodeus defines them day-to-day.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:44:00 - [134] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 17:44:59 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: Korr'Tanas Originally by: dum dumdum Funny that innitially the Eve Uni guys were quick to post and defend their E-Honor (at least those who are ALLOWED to in the EVE UNI LONG BORING LIST OF RULES OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO). All uni pilots are allowed to post here actually. Must be some other reason why pretty much no one bothers to. Azmodeus: "It should go without saying that students should not be posting in this thread. Let management take care of it." This is one thing that the Uni does do very very well. It scares the poop outta new recruits that they dont do anything that may even be remotely against one of the many "rules" of Eve Uni. A common conversation on the Uni Voice Coms server new n00b - Hey can i do XXX older n00bs - NO new n00b - Why not older n00bs - Its against the rules - Link to Eve Uni Wiki Pages of Rules new n00b - Why is it against the rules ... older n00bs - ... silence ... (we dont know) ... its NOT ALLOWED new n00b - but ... older n00bs - If you do it Admiral Silentbrick or Ubercado will come and pod kill you and then you will get kicked from the Uni. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? new n00b - ... no ... older n00bs - Order is restored (we WIN at EVE)
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:45:00 - [135] Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 30/08/2011 17:45:45 Quote: Granted, I heard this second-hand, my uncles cousins wifes friend said she heard from a reliable source that....
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:48:00 - [136] Originally by: Barbara Nichole Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 30/08/2011 17:45:45 Quote: Granted, I heard this second-hand, my uncles cousins wifes friend said she heard from a reliable source that.... What? What did she hear? Don't leave us hanging!
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:50:00 - [137] Originally by: Barbara Nichole P.S. linking to yourself doesn't make the rumour more credible. Kelduum adds much to the credibility on the second page. Keep reading. It's a fun thread.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 17:54:00 - [138] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 17:54:33 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: Korr'Tanas Trust me, I know the rules. This isn't CAOD, uni pilots are allowed to post in this thread. I got in ** for posting at EN24. The posting rules are kind of as Azmodeus defines them day-to-day. Suprised much? Thats what you get for rocking the Carebear boat. OMG YOU PUBLIC POSTED! ORPHANAGE WILL WAR DEC US NOW! OH NOEZ! Power Tripping Carebears. They cant beat you in Eve so they beat you in the only way they can ... beurocracy. And as a side note, do you give a f* if you are talked down upon by a Director of Logistics? Aka the king of the most carebear profession. He / She is probably ****ed that he/she cant macro mine as much with his/her 10+ accounts of orcas and hulks. Clearly you may disrupt his/her WINNING at EVE.
CARB0N FIBER	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:00:00 - [139] Closing thread. If you would like to discuss CCP actions further you are welcome to contact us via a petition but please do not discuss on the forums.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:01:00 - [140] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 18:04:52 Originally by: dum dumdum Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:24:08 Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:13:05 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum Admiral Silentn00b Funny Silentb00b story. Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him. In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded. This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU. Good times. The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class. The Rear Admiral wanted to disprove his pvp impotency by leading a great fleet to do a nice POS Bash. Last minute n00bing around lead him to realise that shooting a POS which actually has some defence may lead to actually risking your ship in pvp. Deterred by this revalation, Silentn00b instead decided to do what you have described. This is Silentbrick's interpretation of the evening: "Lemme think, instead we went on a rampage and oh, killed a POS. So there's a flaw in your whining. Besides, if the intelligence landscape changes in EVE, we must change with it." As found at his blog. His blog post was a reply to my description of the evening.

dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:01:00 - [141] Originally by: CARB0N FIBER Closing thread. If you would like to discuss CCP actions further you are welcome to contact us via a petition but please do not discuss on the forums. haha epic fail
CARB0N FIBER	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:07:00 - [142] Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: CARB0N FIBER Closing thread. If you would like to discuss CCP actions further you are welcome to contact us via a petition but please do not discuss on the forums. haha epic fail You've been warned! Violence will be done(in game).
Crystal Liche	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:08:00 - [143] Hmm, this would really be an employee run corp. I think the one clear line would have to be that the employee(s) in charge of this corp should not have any access or authority when it comes to resolving disputes. For example, pirate whacks new player, a no no but not a GM issue. What if under the new plan the employee leader, under the guise of some subjective criteria such as "greifing", has the pirates account banned? Not good.
Kunming Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:10:00 - [144] This should never happen. Not only because of the obvious exploitablity and abuse of power in the hands of 3rd party interests (aka player run, not CCP run), its also counter productive to the goals of CCP (promote ppl to join player corps, break echo chambers and really have fun), which are good for the health of the game in the long run. I always teach noobs, maybe not en masse like EVE uni but the ones I tutor become the best pvpers, FCs and the like.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:12:00 - [145] Originally by: dum dumdum EDIT- Also plz more links to your blog thnx His blog post needed the context. (I've refrained from posting links for the last three pages, man, cut me some slack! )
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:13:00 - [146] Originally by: CARB0N FIBER Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: CARB0N FIBER Closing thread. If you would like to discuss CCP actions further you are welcome to contact us via a petition but please do not discuss on the forums. haha epic fail You've been warned! Violence will be done(in game). Feel free to violence me good. Run some locator agents on me. Does it make you space important to threaten me to restore your E-Honor? Also your post history is laughable.
CARB0N FIBER	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:25:00 - [147] Originally by: dum dumdum Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 18:17:13 Originally by: CARB0N FIBER Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: CARB0N FIBER Closing thread. If you would like to discuss CCP actions further you are welcome to contact us via a petition but please do not discuss on the forums. haha epic fail You've been warned! Violence will be done(in game). Feel free to violence me good. Run some locator agents on me. Does it make you space important to threaten me to restore your E-Honor? Also your post history is laughable. quote] I see some prison style violence in your future! drop and spread em in game!
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:30:00 - [148] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 18:33:15 Originally by: CARB0N FIBER I see some prison style violence in your future! drop and spread em in game! Good luck with that @ Poetic Spies in the Uni mumble have indicated that a group which includes the Admiral are out for your blood. I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Director ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic.
Bubbles Udan EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:34:00 - [149] Poetic I am truly disappointed. CCP is going to turn these forums into facebook next patch. If you had waited a few more days, this thread would have had much more ironic humor.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:34:00 - [150] Originally by: Korr'Tanas Trust me, I know the rules. This isn't CAOD, uni pilots are allowed to post in this thread. In true University style, some suggested reading on the subject to which you may find the following pertinent: Quote: IVY members are not authorised to post on the 'Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center' of the Eve Online forums unless given explicit permission by a director. IVY members are not authorised to post on any thread on the Eve Online forums which mentions a current or past conflict involving IVY or E-UNI, unless given explicit permission by a director. By the way, this thread mentions several, both personal and corp/alliance wide. Oops. ---------------

Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:35:00 - [151] Originally by: dum dumdum Have the Eve Uni unistas disowned you yet Poetic? Probably. But then 90% are sheep who hang off the nuts of the directors. There are a few quality free-thinkers in the organization. Quote: I assume you are banned from the Eve Uni forums and Voice Coms server too My Poetic Stanziel account, yes. My alt account. No. I wasn't dumb enough to tell them what that was when I created it two months ago. The chatter in Public Lounge has been on-again off-again amusing. Every thirty minutes someone asks if anyone has seen the EVE-O forums, and then someone says "Don't believe anything you read. He was kicked for not obeying the rules." And then a bunch of "he's butthurt" comments. Then they get back to discussing incursion fits.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:37:00 - [152] Originally by: dum dumdum @ Poetic Spies in the Uni mumble have indicated that a group which includes the Admiral are out for your blood. I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Director ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic. I know. I can dock up with the best of them. I was in the Uni after all. :)
El Atreyu	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:38:00 - [153] I've just spent the last 15 minutes reading this thread while taking a sh*t. I'm not sure what stinks more, I'll have to get back to you. What strikes me as amusing is the conversation Poetic is having with her obvious alt Dumdumdum. It's clear she's either bipolar or suffering from Dissociative identity disorder. Regardless of which it is, I suggest you seek medical treatment asap to obtain medication to alleviate your condition. If this thread and your blog are any indication your condition is spiraling out of control and I worry for your safety.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:43:00 - [154] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 18:45:58 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum @ Poetic Spies in the Uni mumble have indicated that a group which includes the Admiral are out for your blood. I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Director ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic. I know. I can dock up with the best of them. I was in the Uni after all. :) Ah i didnt know you also still have access to their Voice Coms. I (mistakenly) assumed that you were a typical eve uni n00b with no forward thinking at all. For that i apologise. I hear that there is a lot of sheep nature in that mumble server. Whats most hilarious is that apparently a certain someone on the mumble server has a fanfare noise linked to their push to talk button for the express purpose of showing that someone uber important is speaking and everyone else should stfu. self space important carebear much? id love a recording of it but the spies are n00by and havent provided me with one yet. Clearly they are in the most suitable corp for them Originally by: El Atreyu I've just spent the last 15 minutes reading this thread while taking a sh*t. I'm not sure what stinks more, I'll have to get back to you. What strikes me as amusing is the conversation Poetic is having with her obvious alt Dumdumdum. It's clear she's either bipolar or suffering from Dissociative identity disorder. Regardless of which it is, I suggest you seek medical treatment asap to obtain medication to alleviate your condition. If this thread and your blog are any indication your condition is spiraling out of control and I worry for your safety. Perhaps you should have left that impressive deduction back in the toilet. It seems clear to me that you are having some delusions of your own. Also i hope that you washed your mouth as well as your hands since you have two orifii leaking excrement.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:45:00 - [155] Originally by: Azmodeus Valar (aka El Atreyu) I've just spent the last 15 minutes reading this thread while taking a sht. I'm not sure what stinks more, I'll have to get back to you. What strikes me as amusing is the conversation Poetic is having with her obvious alt Dumdumdum. It's clear she's either bipolar or suffering from Dissociative identity disorder. Regardless of which it is, I suggest you seek medical treatment asap to obtain medication to alleviate your condition. If this thread and your blog are any indication your condition is spiraling out of control and I worry for your safety. Is this the top plan* the Uni came up with to divert the thread, Azmodeus?
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:47:00 - [156] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: Azmodeus Valar (aka El Atreyu) I've just spent the last 15 minutes reading this thread while taking a sht. I'm not sure what stinks more, I'll have to get back to you. What strikes me as amusing is the conversation Poetic is having with her obvious alt Dumdumdum. It's clear she's either bipolar or suffering from Dissociative identity disorder. Regardless of which it is, I suggest you seek medical treatment asap to obtain medication to alleviate your condition. If this thread and your blog are any indication your condition is spiraling out of control and I worry for your safety. Is this the top plan* the Uni came up with to divert the thread, Azmodeus? The top plan is to claim its all lies. Denial clearly works and has served the Uni well in past years.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 18:53:00 - [157] Originally by: dum dumdum I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Silentbrick ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic. I wonder how they'll all feel with the secstatus hit? I would of course let them pod me in highsec. Brick is just **ed that I mentioned the SBU debacle publicly. It was supposed to be known as The Great Offlined Small POS Bash of 2011. Not the SBU **up of 2011.
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 19:05:00 - [158] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Silentbrick ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic. I wonder how they'll all feel with the secstatus hit? I would of course let them pod me in highsec. Brick is just **ed that I mentioned the SBU debacle publicly. It was supposed to be known as The Great Offlined Small POS Bash of 2011. Not the SBU up of 2011. You say that like anyone outside the n00bcorp has a high opinion of the rear admiral. His sig clearly says "I am a Carebear leading other Carebears" Some players such as Vuk Lau or Shadoo have extensive knowledge and experience and FC like a BOSS. Silentbrick has Uni Director and Admiral Epeen. If he truely is **ed at being outed as the failure that he is, he needs his head checked. This is not news to anyone ouside of Ivy League and even to the non sheep iwthin Ivy League.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Arrakis Technology	Posted - 2011.08.30 19:45:00 - [159] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 19:47:21 Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win. Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved. Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 20:42:00 - [160] Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 20:45:04 Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 20:42:53 Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 19:47:21 Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win. Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved. Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :) i assume they know about kill rights Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni. I hope it was worth it

Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 20:58:00 - [161] Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win. Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved. Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :) i assume they know about kill rights Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni. I hope it was worth it I know. It's like they're giving me a free wardec for one month on whoever kills me. ;) The game will be more interesting for awhile. That is for sure.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.30 21:18:00 - [162] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win. Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved. Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :) i assume they know about kill rights Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni. I hope it was worth it I know. It's like they're giving me a free wardec for one month on whoever kills me. ;) The game will be more interesting for awhile. That is for sure. Do remember, that to collect kill rights, you cannot return fire or otherwise redbox the original killer. Also, they'll have read this and will no doubt make a new rule .... ---------------
dum dumdum	Posted - 2011.08.30 21:38:00 - [163] Originally by: Khanh'rhh Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: dum dumdum Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win. Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved. Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :) i assume they know about kill rights Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni. I hope it was worth it I know. It's like they're giving me a free wardec for one month on whoever kills me. ;) The game will be more interesting for awhile. That is for sure. Do remember, that to collect kill rights, you cannot return fire or otherwise redbox the original killer. Also, they'll have read this and will no doubt make a new rule .... I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do. I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.
Nikita Keriget	Posted - 2011.08.30 21:58:00 - [164] Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do. I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears. Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 22:48:00 - [165] Originally by: Nikita Keriget Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do. I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears. Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as. Keep fishing.
Sakura Zendragon	Posted - 2011.08.30 22:58:00 - [166] Originally by: Nikita Keriget Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do. I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears. Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as. Epic facepalm? dum dumdumbass.... --- Donations from retiring capsuleers are welcome.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.30 23:05:00 - [167] Originally by: Sakura Zendragon Originally by: Nikita Keriget Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do. I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears. Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as. Epic facepalm? dum dumdumbass.... If I was chatting with myself, I'd have one account using Firefox and the other using Chrome. And I would have edited the post immediately. I am an incessant editor after the fact. :) Anyhow ... there's no convincing anyone ... so feel free to believe what you want. I hear the Uni just got wardecced again.
Nikita Keriget	Posted - 2011.08.30 23:35:00 - [168] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Originally by: Nikita Keriget Originally by: dum dumdum I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do. I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears. Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as. Keep fishing. If EVE University is setting you (Poetic Stanziel) -10, then why did 'dum dumdum' say "I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears."? That statement would make sense coming from you, hence it looks an awful lot like you forgot to switch characters for posting. I also took the opportunity to look up the user profile for dum dumdum - I see that his only participation in the forums is this very thread.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:24:00 - [169] Originally by: Nikita Keriget If EVE University is setting you (Poetic Stanziel) -10, then why did 'dum dumdum' say "I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears."? That statement would make sense coming from you, hence it looks an awful lot like you forgot to switch characters for posting. I also took the opportunity to look up the user profile for dum dumdum - I see that his only participation in the forums is this very thread. It's all good. Turns out it was a clever and elaborate troll to discredit me by Silentbrick. I didn't think he had that in him. Here's the chatlog. I'll post screenshots in a bit. I'm actually quite impressed with the subterfuge. Kudos to the Uni for it. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -24592105 Channel Name: Private Chat (dum dumdum) Listener: Poetic Stanziel Session started: 2011.08.31 00:01:47 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2011.08.31 00:02:00 ] Poetic Stanziel > Apparently I am talking to myself here too. [ 2011.08.31 00:03:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > So, an elaborate troll job, the use of the first person in your last post? If so, kudos to you sir. Clever. [ 2011.08.31 00:03:36 ] dum dumdum > thank you [ 2011.08.31 00:03:49 ] dum dumdum > in all honesty [ 2011.08.31 00:04:01 ] dum dumdum > i got nothing against you, but im an old uni contact [ 2011.08.31 00:04:08 ] dum dumdum > and i was paid for this job [ 2011.08.31 00:04:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah. [ 2011.08.31 00:04:36 ] dum dumdum > quite well actually, 1 bil to be exact and it brightened up my 00 roams [ 2011.08.31 00:04:52 ] dum dumdum > anyways nothing against you bro, purely business [ 2011.08.31 00:05:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > Well, good play. I didn't expect anything quite so clever from them. [ 2011.08.31 00:05:27 ] Poetic Stanziel > I'm not butthurt over it. I figured it was a troll with that last post. [ 2011.08.31 00:05:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > But since the character was 5 days old, was a little confused still. [ 2011.08.31 00:05:57 ] dum dumdum > ye i kinda got overzealous with my posts [ 2011.08.31 00:06:02 ] dum dumdum > i was hired 5 days ago [ 2011.08.31 00:06:10 ] Poetic Stanziel > ? [ 2011.08.31 00:06:29 ] dum dumdum > silent has it in for you for a while [ 2011.08.31 00:06:30 ] Poetic Stanziel > That doesn't make much sense. I wasn't bashing them publicly 5 days ago. [ 2011.08.31 00:06:35 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah. [ 2011.08.31 00:06:46 ] Poetic Stanziel > He is a bit of a child. [ 2011.08.31 00:06:49 ] dum dumdum > well to be exact i was hired a while ago [ 2011.08.31 00:07:05 ] dum dumdum > but my job changed [ 2011.08.31 00:07:29 ] dum dumdum > i just needed to destroy any credibility you had so that you are no longer a thorn in the Uni's side
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:26:00 - [170] [ 2011.08.31 00:07:30 ] Poetic Stanziel > So why the confession now? [ 2011.08.31 00:07:36 ] dum dumdum > my job is done [ 2011.08.31 00:07:42 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah. [ 2011.08.31 00:07:51 ] dum dumdum > i thought i mite as well let you know who comissioned me [ 2011.08.31 00:08:06 ] dum dumdum > ive been paid too so i dont care that you know [ 2011.08.31 00:08:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Makes sense I suppose. Not entirely, but I suppose. [ 2011.08.31 00:08:28 ] dum dumdum > silent will flat out deny anything anyway as will the uni [ 2011.08.31 00:08:43 ] Poetic Stanziel > Good play though. I should have stayed out of it this morning. Thought I should. Was going too. But didn't. [ 2011.08.31 00:08:44 ] dum dumdum > but i think knowing is better than not knowing for you at least [ 2011.08.31 00:08:53 ] Poetic Stanziel > Of course. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:06 ] dum dumdum > either way its nothing personal, just fulfilling a contract [ 2011.08.31 00:09:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > I knew the alts posting the "you're taling to yourself" posts were Uni. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:32 ] dum dumdum > it wasnt azmo [ 2011.08.31 00:09:36 ] dum dumdum > it was silent [ 2011.08.31 00:09:42 ] Poetic Stanziel > I ddin't know who. I was just guessing there. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > But knew it was Uni. [ 2011.08.31 00:09:48 ] dum dumdum > he wanted to spring the trap there and then [ 2011.08.31 00:09:59 ] dum dumdum > i told him its too obvious and he was going to blow it [ 2011.08.31 00:10:07 ] Poetic Stanziel > Impatient. No credibility at that point. [ 2011.08.31 00:10:15 ] dum dumdum > so isntead i led things along a few more posts before springing the trap [ 2011.08.31 00:10:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > The use of first person later was the key. [ 2011.08.31 00:10:24 ] dum dumdum > took the pubbies a while to realise tho [ 2011.08.31 00:10:39 ] dum dumdum > i had to go irl so wasnt able to delete my msg as soon as someone posted and quoted [ 2011.08.31 00:10:54 ] dum dumdum > but the uni was happy with the job and i was paid [ 2011.08.31 00:11:11 ] dum dumdum > anyways mate i do sympathise, seems that you have been screwed overa few times [ 2011.08.31 00:11:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Kudos sir. Anyhow, Good luck. And good 1B earned. [ 2011.08.31 00:11:15 ] dum dumdum > one being my work [ 2011.08.31 00:11:31 ] dum dumdum > but watch out for yourself, i know for a fact that silent has other operatives out there [ 2011.08.31 00:11:40 ] Poetic Stanziel > Will do. [ 2011.08.31 00:11:41 ] dum dumdum > he is taking it personally [ 2011.08.31 00:11:46 ] Poetic Stanziel > When doesn't he? [ 2011.08.31 00:12:19 ] dum dumdum > ok take care, this char is biomassed soon. I hope we dont meet again, at least not under the same circumstances. And plz remember this is nothing personal against you. just a job in a game [ 2011.08.31 00:12:30 ] dum dumdum > o/ [ 2011.08.31 00:12:33 ] Poetic Stanziel > Don't worry. Not too fussed. [ 2011.08.31 00:12:45 ] dum dumdum > im glad to hear it [ 2011.08.31 00:12:51 ] Poetic Stanziel > o7

Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:45:00 - [171] Screenies. Image 1 Image 2 Anyhow, kudos to them for the well-played plan.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:27:00 - [172] Re: my statement saying "Kudos to the Uni." Their hired operative has made it clear to me that the credit is his. They hired him. He came up with the plan. So, kudos to the hired operative. (I'd post the chatlog, but in the event I'm being played, I'd rather not have the organization he claims to belong to ****ed off at me as well.)
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:39:00 - [173] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 31/08/2011 01:40:12 ITT forum poaster has a chat with himself ingame, makes a nice story and provides the chatlog (and screenshots) as 'proof'. Or was I paid 1bil to discredit you too? E: I like how your screenshot links got censored. Ye'llo?
El Atreyu	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:42:00 - [174] Wow, this thread went from mildly amusing to something resembling a turd in my toilet to outright pathetic. Even in the face of incredible amounts of evidence you still blatantly spin your lies. So sad. Poetic, you can falsify chat logs, have endless conversations with your obvious sock-puppet alt and link us to non-existent screenshots full of "Error 404 - Not found" all day long, but you've been outed bro.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:53:00 - [175] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 01:55:56 Originally by: SupaKudoRio E: I like how your screenshot links got censored. Fixed. Had wrong setting on Picasa. Sure, chat logs and screenies are no proof of anything ... except that I must be a champion level typist to hold a conversation across two clients in real-time and in two completely different styles of typing. E: The Uni has a lot of alts out today.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:29:00 - [176] Confirming I am an EVE Uni alt. Along with being the alt of several other people at the same time. You don't seem to grasp how easy it is to switch between clients. So what you can type moderately quickly in two styles? That's something a lot of people can do. Ye'llo?
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:38:00 - [177] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Confirming I am an EVE Uni alt. Along with being the alt of several other people at the same time. You don't seem to grasp how easy it is to switch between clients. So what you can type moderately quickly in two styles? That's something a lot of people can do. You're trying too hard. You're not even trying to be subtle about it. Anyhow, I'm done. I'll see you guys in lowsec.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:23:00 - [178] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 31/08/2011 03:24:09 Psh, subtle. That's boring. Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Anyhow, I'm done. I'll see you guys in lowsec. Alright. Have fun now, y'hear? Ye'llo?
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:00:00 - [179] Eve Uni does good work. Not everyone appreciates it, that's cool too. Funny thing about the Uni is, the most important thing it teach isn't in any syllabus or lesson plan. It's the connections you make there. Finding a group you can fly with when you leave, or finding a group of people you can leave with / go with. Most of you sound like you've forgotten what it's like to have 2m isk total in your wallets. Hell, a dam 5m isk cruiser is a luxury item... Poetic (lol) has some butt hurt (and apparently several others do too) over how the Uni operates... Tuff Krap. It's not your corp. It's like all you neckbeard mouthbreathers all lined up and started telling any other corp in the game, how to run their business... You don't like how they do it? Go out and do it better. You won't. Last time I know of that someone tried, I think the experiment lasted all of 2 months and got up to about 20 "students" before it folded. All you can do is come to the forums and whine. Get over it. Eve Uni works and has worked for over 7 years doing what no one else (including CCP) could do (with the possible exception of the Goons) which is teach the basics. Once your done with the basics, it's time to move on. Which is kinda what the Graduate medal is used for. It gives people a marker. The tutorials may be better now, but they weren't always. Poetic Stanziel, you aren't original, or very imaginative. Too bad that the Uni couldn't bio-mass your mouth when they kicked you, you over-entitled whining little ***. Wormholes: The NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Ensign X EVE University	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:07:00 - [180] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Eve Uni does good work. Not everyone appreciates it, that's cool too. Funny thing about the Uni is, the most important thing it teach isn't in any syllabus or lesson plan. It's the connections you make there. Finding a group you can fly with when you leave, or finding a group of people you can leave with / go with. Most of you sound like you've forgotten what it's like to have 2m isk total in your wallets. Hell, a dam 5m isk cruiser is a luxury item... Poetic (lol) has some butt hurt (and apparently several others do too) over how the Uni operates... Tuff Krap. It's not your corp. It's like all you neckbeard mouthbreathers all lined up and started telling any other corp in the game, how to run their business... You don't like how they do it? Go out and do it better. You won't. Last time I know of that someone tried, I think the experiment lasted all of 2 months and got up to about 20 "students" before it folded. All you can do is come to the forums and whine. Get over it. Eve Uni works and has worked for over 7 years doing what no one else (including CCP) could do (with the possible exception of the Goons) which is teach the basics. Once your done with the basics, it's time to move on. Which is kinda what the Graduate medal is used for. It gives people a marker. The tutorials may be better now, but they weren't always. Poetic Stanziel, you aren't original, or very imaginative. Too bad that the Uni couldn't bio-mass your mouth when they kicked you, you over-entitled whining little ****. I think I love you.

Lady Go Diveher The Independent Troll Society	Posted - 2011.08.31 10:42:00 - [181] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Eve Uni does good work You state your opinion as fact, poor start. Quote: Not everyone appreciates it, that's cool too No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference. Quote: Funny thing about the Uni is, the most important thing it teach isn't in any syllabus or lesson plan. It's the connections you make there This is actually one of the largest problems with the Uni. Everyone can make friends, in any group of 1500-2000 people, unless they have serious social maladies. The fact that all the contacts you make are other students of the same system, is incredibly limiting in scope and purpose. "Blind leading the blind" and all that. Quote: Most of you sound like you've forgotten what it's like to have 2m isk total in your wallets Yeah those first 4 days are the kicker Given that you can complete the tutorials and the epic arc BEFORE you'd even get an "interview" and entrance into the Uni, your point is lost. Quote: It's not your corp. It's like all you neckbeard mouthbreathers I don't have a beard. Ad-hominem much? Of course, like usual, we're about to get the typical nonsense from E-Uni .. Quote: You don't like how they do it? Go out and do it better And there it is. The most ****ed comment you could possibly make. What is happening, is this: E-Uni detractors: "The concept of a large corp of new players learning from each other is fundamentally flawed, and the idea of 1:1 training scales terribly with scale. New players are better off elsewhere" E-Uni lovers: "Yea .. YEAH!?!? WELL WHY DON'T YOU GO MAKE YOUR OWN LARGE AMORPHOUS BLOB CORP AND DO IT BETTER!!" E-Uni detractors: /emote facepalm Quote: Eve Uni works In your opinion, again. E-Uni is fantastic at creating risk adverse carebears. Nothing else. List me some examples of Alumni who have gone on to, say, do anything meaningful in PVP. Quote: doing what no one else (including CCP) could do (with the possible exception of the Goons) which is teach the basics Except that the vast majority of players are NOT E-Uni alumni .. and yet mastered them by some magic, then? Cool story. Quote: Too bad that the Uni couldn't bio-mass your mouth when they kicked you, you over-entitled whining little ** So ... anyone unsure of WHY the rules are how they are (you know .. wanting to learn?) should just STFU? Nice work. -------
Sahara Sena PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.31 10:51:00 - [182] Poetic, any possible validity to your arguments has been completely undermined by this ridiculous and farcical display you put on here. Your attempt to manufacture support for your cause through the creation of an obvious alt is disturbingly sad. After posting on the wrong toon, your attempt to then 'prove' it was genuine is taking it to a whole 'nother level of stupid. All you have done is suceeded in making yourself look like a loser with an internet connection and an agenda. And finally, your attempt to portray yourself as a victim of a massive billion ISK campaign paid for by the Uni is just pathetic. They'd much rather spend the money on skillbooks and blackbirds than waste any more energy on a failtroll like you. You just don't matter. In EVE, a universe rife with deceipt and duplicity, there exist rare communities of trust and mutual respect that you can carry with you throughout your time in New Eden. EVE University - despite its flaws - is one such place. You've managed to completely destroy any goodwill you may have had with the E-UNI community (which includes the several thousand alumni who still greatly value the institution that gave them their first start in EVE), which is really your loss. Whatever you feel you may have accomplished with this petulant display of yours, I doubt it was worth losing all that you have.
Poetic Stanziel Gallente Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC	Posted - 2011.08.31 11:11:00 - [183] Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 11:13:44 Originally by: Sahara Sena Poetic, any possible validity to your arguments has been completely undermined by this ridiculous and farcical display you put on here. Your attempt to manufacture support for your cause through the creation of an obvious alt is disturbingly sad. After posting on the wrong toon, your attempt to then 'prove' it was genuine is taking it to a whole 'nother level of stupid. The only people carrying on the charade that dum dumdum was me, are Uni alts and ex-Unistas. Either I'm a total moron, for making such a simple mistake as a mispost, in a conversation not even approaching anything real-time. Or I'm a **ing genius for holding a real-time conversation with myself, across two clients, in two completely different styles of typing, spelling and use of language. And remaining consistent for the entire conversation. With many of the conversational elements mere seconds apart, and often overlapping. Hard to fake the screenshots, especially given the limited time involved to do it, and the alpha channels inherent in the EVE UI. I guess I'll go with **ing genius. Thanks. (Everything mentioned about the Uni in this thread still holds under scrutiny as truth.) (1B ISK. Not all that much money in this game.) (Silentbrick. Still a tool. And I await his next move.)
Effortless Breeze Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2011.08.31 13:10:00 - [184] Originally by: Poetic Stanziel I'm a total moron Amen You should sell your e-rage and tear production services in C&P. They like talking to themselves too and high quality nerd rage like this has been hard to come by. .... or am I just dreaming?
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:04:00 - [185] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher You state your opinion as fact, poor start. Eve Uni works at teaching the basics, bringing people of similar age together, giving them the chance to form relationships and leave to join/form other groups... Works fine. As for "stating my opinion as fact"? So what? That's all this thread is, is opinion. Mine is as valid as anyone else who disagrees. Originally by: Lady Go Diveher No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference. I disagree... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher This is actually one of the largest problems with the Uni. Everyone can make friends, in any group of 1500-2000 people, unless they have serious social maladies. The fact that all the contacts you make are other students of the same system, is incredibly limiting in scope and purpose. "Blind leading the blind" and all that. Heheheheh. That's funny, as if a 30 day old was running the show... How about this: Finding people of a similar skill-set / experience level to run with ends up fostering more learning, as people branch out and talk to each other. I (and I know others do as well) learned about industry/invention from acquaintances who were learning that at the time. Talked standings / mission running with miners to understand refine yields and with data core farmers about passive income (and yes, mission running for isk - would have lost my first Raven when I didn't understand the difference between passive and active tank). etc., etc., etc., Sure, you can get those things elsewhere, but the Uni puts it all under one roof (so to speak). Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Yeah those first 4 days are the kicker Given that you can complete the tutorials and the epic arc BEFORE you'd even get an "interview" and entrance into the Uni, your point is lost. No, it's not (if you would stop to think before posting) - tutorials are great (far better than when I joined) but some people are still not sure how to acquire their continuing income. The worst part of it is - the tutorials are better now than they have ever been, why? Because they bloody needed the dam things to explain wtf is going on so bad! And CCP needed to make tutorials and make them better, because the dam game has zilch for explanations - at least at first glance, to a n00b... Again, the Uni works to assist in this area as well. Originally by: Lady Go Diveher I don't have a beard. Ad-hominem much? Yeah, I do at times, deal with it. I'm not necessarily a nice person IRL either... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Of course, like usual, we're about to get the typical nonsense from E-Uni... And there it is. The most *****ed comment you could possibly make. What is happening, is this: E-Uni detractors: "The concept of a large corp of new players learning from each other is fundamentally flawed, and the idea of 1:1 training scales terribly with scale. New players are better off elsewhere" E-Uni lovers: "Yea .. YEAH!?!? WELL WHY DON'T YOU GO MAKE YOUR OWN LARGE AMORPHOUS BLOB CORP AND DO IT BETTER!!" E-Uni detractors: /emote facepalm I didn't say "go out and make an amorphous blob. I said "go out and "do it better". Which you did not* address, and I'll tell you why you didn't. Because teaching the ropes, over and over without break (even Agony doesn't run pvp ops 23/7) is a ***** job (and I wouldn't want it) while "playing a game". Again - if your so special and talented, and the Uni is SO ***ed up, go out and show Eve Online how to do it better! I'm sure you'll be a knockout! <<<snippage for length>>> Wormholes: The NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:36:00 - [186] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher In your opinion, again. Yeah, my opinion - so what, it's just as valid as (WOOT WOOT!) your opinion... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher E-Uni is fantastic at creating risk adverse carebears. Nothing else. List me some examples of Alumni who have gone on to, say, do anything meaningful in PVP. #1 - yeah, I'm gonna go with "in your opinion" again. Because "Risk Aversion" starts outside the game. What? Give you a list? It's a game, I don't keep track of (or study) other people's pvp (outside my own Corp). I don't read blogs very often (except where a corpie points something out){and Flashfresh's Blog }, I don't study killboards and I don't keep track of the thousands of pilots before me, or the thousands after me. You want a list, look it up yourself. I'm sure there are pilots who've been in the Uni that "do good pvp", purely on the law of averages alone... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Except that the vast majority of players are NOT E-Uni alumni .. and yet mastered them by some magic, then? Cool story. Good for them, straw man argument, but nice try. The Uni teaches the basics, and does it well, people run into problems when they stay beyond their comfort zone. E-U doesn't teach only pvp, and when people get to where they want to do more, they should leave. Simple as that, because it's not set up to be a long term home. Originally by: Lady Go Diveher So ... anyone unsure of WHY the rules are how they are (you know .. wanting to learn?) should just STFU? Nice work. Nope, they should accept the answer they're given. If it doesn't suit them, figure out why and deal with it. Not make tonnes more work for everyone by whining that the Uni won't change to suit them (in a game...). I still don't get where people think that telling the uni leadership to change **** just because they disagree with how it's run... It's their corp, they run it how they see fit. Just like any other corp in the game. Stop crying on the forums. Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Justice Starcatcher Volatile Nature	Posted - 2011.08.31 15:19:00 - [187] Sad how these discussions always degrade into a black hole of worthless noise. Back to the beginning. No, no player run corp should become an NPC corp just to avoid war declarations. And, I doubt very much CCP would ever think it was a good idea. As many have said, War Dec's are key part of EVE. What I could see happening is CCP officially recognizing EU as a training corporation, so new players are directed towards it. To those who don't like Eve University, remember CCP's metric is account retention not pilot skill. I would also add as someone who has seen RL higher education from both sides (student and teacher). Universities are a trial of mediocrity . Universities donÆt inspire greatness, just getting everything done. Those that do excel do so because of something inside themselves. What the...
Lady Go Diveher The Independent Troll Society	Posted - 2011.08.31 16:08:00 - [188] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Eve Uni works at teaching the basics Do they cover how to fit a ship? Because looking at your killboard, there's a lovely tendency to blank fitting spots. Such as here and here and here and ... actually there's quite a lot, so I won't bore you with your own fail. The solo Zealot loss to a Cane is pretty hard to pull off, too. But hey, you're trying, right? Quote: Originally by: Lady Go Diveher No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference. I disagree... You fail to read, or what? Because you're saying you disagree that other people disagree .. which means you speak for everyone. Which you don't. Quote: How about this: Finding people of a similar skill-set / experience level to run with ends up fostering more learning Actually, if you had a clue, you'd know that studies suggest students learning from students (peer to peer learning) enhances their ability to learn. Which is pretty useful when you're, say, twelve years old and still learning how to learn. In terms of learning factual information, well, guess what? That information needs to come from somewhere to feed into the system. The greater number of students you have learning from one another, the greater the tendency for "theory" to become fact. This is why I sit in the E-Uni channels and hear 5-10 people all chiming the same utter trash, none of which is correct. They've learned what they THINK is right, and pass it on like rats with the black death to other students who ask. As for "getting it all in one place" a previous poster already pointed out some errors in the Eve Wiki. Truth is, most of it is written by people with little actual experience in doing it. Ergo all the errors. Quote: I didn't say "go out and make an amorphous blob. I said "go out and "do it better". Which you did not address, and I'll tell you why you didn't. Because teaching the ropes, over and over without break (even Agony doesn't run pvp ops 23/7) is a *** job (and I wouldn't want it) while "playing a game". How narrow minded of you, dear. If you can get past the "dedicated teacher, student" model, you'd realize that most people in the game joined and had no such thing. How about you, I don't know, work it out for yourself? Then ask focused questions, on areas that need clarifying? Do you REALLY need to be ing spoonfed? Actually, YOU do. Lesson one: Put something in all the fitting slots of your ship, the benefits of finishing a fit. Originally by: Me And there it is. The most **ed comment you could possibly make. What is happening, is this: E-Uni detractors: "The concept of a large corp of new players learning from each other is fundamentally flawed, and the idea of 1:1 training scales terribly with scale. New players are better off elsewhere" E-Uni lovers: "Yea .. YEAH!?!? WELL WHY DON'T YOU GO MAKE YOUR OWN LARGE AMORPHOUS BLOB CORP AND DO IT BETTER!!" E-Uni detractors: /emote facepalm Originally by:** You Again - if your so special and talented, and the Uni is SO **ed up, go out and show Eve Online how to do it better! So, once more, we have people saying "the learning corp is a flawed idea" wheras all you can reply with, is "make your own learning corp and do it better!!" Le sigh. I then ask for any famous / successful alumni .. to which you then claim you'd have to research them. You don't think, needing to research them, is proof they amount to nothing? Quote:** Nope, they should accept the answer they're given A totalitarian concept. Nice. -------
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.31 17:34:00 - [189] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Do they cover how to fit a ship? Because looking at your killboard, there's a lovely tendency to blank fitting spots. Such as here Faction Web isn't on it, it's not on our kill-board either. No idea why. Originally by: Lady Go Diveher and here Grabbed this after my Myrm was killed (the below killmail) - really, the hi-slots on a griffin aren't the important parts (as if a griffin is important) - just there for KM whoring if I got the chance... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher and here and ... actually there's quite a lot, so I won't bore you with your own fail. I remember this one. I was going back and forth, swapping T2 guns & meta 4/3/2 guns, modules and ammo, checking tracking/damage/optimal, etc., (i.e. - not relying solely on EFT) when the atlas guys came in. Call went out for extra points. It was a "come as you are party" - so I went. Should I have replaced the rails? Sure. So what? I never claimed to be perfect, or even good @ pvp - but it sure seems to be important to you... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher The solo Zealot loss to a Cane is pretty hard to pull off, too. But hey, you're trying, right? This too is **ed up on our boards - Shood was in a Pilgrim. Thought I would lose, but I went after him anyway. It was fun for me, and I'm assuming he had fun. So what? No one's ever heard of a Bjorked killmail? Quote: Originally by:** Lady Go Diveher No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference. I disagree... throw away one-liner, deal with it... Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Actually, if you had a clue, you'd know that studies suggest students learning from students (peer to peer learning) enhances their ability to learn. As for "getting it all in one place" a previous poster already pointed out some errors in the Eve Wiki. Truth is, most of it is written by people with little actual experience in doing it. Ergo all the errors. Yeah, HUGE friggin surprise, there's errors in a Wiki... ZOMFG STOP THE PRESSES! You know, if you gave a **, you could help weed out those errors... Instead of just trolling... (looks at corp tag): nvrmnd... Originally by:** Lady Go Diveher How narrow minded of you, dear. If you can get past the "dedicated teacher, student" model, you'd realize that most people in the game joined and had no such thing. How about you, I don't know, work it out for yourself? Then ask focused questions, on areas that need clarifying? Do you REALLY need to be **ing spoonfed? Actually, YOU do. Lesson one: Put something in all the fitting slots of your ship, the benefits of finishing a fit. Most people didn't have the benefit of it, and according to CCP, the average time people stay is about 7 mos... Seems to be working good. And, since it seems to be such an issue for you, i'll probably continue to leave empty slots, just for you! Originally by:** Lady Go Diveher So, once more, we have people saying "the learning corp is a flawed idea" wheras all you can reply with, is "make your own learning corp and do it better!!" Le sigh. Do it better =/= "make your own corp", it means, do it better and show everyone how 1337 you are. You won't. Originally by: Lady Go Diveher I then ask for any famous / successful alumni .. to which you then claim you'd have to research them. You don't think, needing to research them, is proof they amount to nothing? No (dolt) it means I would have to research anyone who's "great" @ pvp - other than Flash/The Hermit/Happy San - get it yet? Originally by: Lady Go Diveher A totalitarian concept. Nice. Isn't it? Most corps aren't Democracies... So? Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.31 17:49:00 - [190] This is actually a better one - taught me not to fit/rat drunk... ZOMG! EYE ARE ZO FAILZ! Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!

Xolani1990 Minmatar PonyWaffe	Posted - 2011.08.31 22:55:00 - [191] Edited by: Xolani1990 on 31/08/2011 22:56:26 Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Eve Uni works at teaching the basics Do they cover how to fit a ship? Because looking at your killboard, there's a lovely tendency to blank fitting spots. Such as here and here and here and ... actually there's quite a lot, so I won't bore you with your own fail. The solo Zealot loss to a Cane is pretty hard to pull off, too. But hey, you're trying, right? Can't be bothered reading the rest of your post, but I've read this kind of criticism of E-UNI from you in the past. You seem to sponsor the idea of "learning to fly on the go" while seeming to fail to recognise the importance for some people to lose poorly fitted ships as a learning experience, and being in an environment like E-UNI they can lose such ships and go back to their peers and mentors and be told "this this and this are why you lost that ship, try fitting it this way next time" instead of getting the reaction that I can predict you giving to a player in a similar situation, "Lol, did anyone ever teach you to fit a ship?" You can't have it both ways, these losses can be an important learning experience for a lot of younger players, and you seem to love the idea of them learning as they go. e. for the record, E-UNI does have limited fitting rules that apply to wartime, such as T2 buffer tank on battlecruisers and above.
Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.09.01 00:57:00 - [192] Very Entertaining thread. Put down Catch22 to read it. OP has nice writing sytle. Ideas are well shaped, they are beyond balanced or rhythmic. Its as if you can feel the Big Loops in the letters and furious slant whereas this dumm dum troll hada more upright feel. Its too bad the bigger Alliances don't have writers like this Poetic dude, or even CCP for that matter. Best thing since Helicity social engineered CCP on twitter if you ask me. WHat was that troll by a guy with whiskers painted on his face. That was pretty funny too.
Lady Go Diveher The Independent Troll Society	Posted - 2011.09.01 08:41:00 - [193] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes This is actually a better one - taught me not to fit/rat drunk... ZOMG! EYE ARE ZO FAILZ! Well aren't you just special. "Bugged killmail" ... really? I mean ... REALLY? I'd accept one. When you start applying that same excuse to every loss you have? It doesn't become believable. Originally by: Xolani1990 Can't be bothered reading the rest of your post, but I've read this kind of criticism of E-UNI from you in the past. You seem to sponsor the idea of "learning to fly on the go" while seeming to fail to recognise the importance for some people to lose poorly fitted ships as a learning experience, and being in an environment like E-UNI they can lose such ships and go back to their peers and mentors and be told "this this and this are why you lost that ship, try fitting it this way next time" instead of getting the reaction that I can predict you giving to a player in a similar situation, "Lol, did anyone ever teach you to fit a ship?" You missed the part where she is an E-Uni ALUMNI. Try to see if you see my point now. -------
Kamel Tow	Posted - 2011.09.01 12:11:00 - [194] I could really care less about all this UNI drama. The place isn't perfect, but I learned some stuff there, and then moved on when the rules of the corp impacted how I wanted to play the game. That's no big deal; heck, they encourage it. On the other hand, Poetic is such a tool, I think I'd like to blow her up one day. Maybe then we can read a new post about how the UNI orchestrated that.
Zenku Marku	Posted - 2011.09.01 17:48:00 - [195] Edited by: Zenku Marku on 01/09/2011 17:49:17 Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Originally by: Asuri Kinnes This is actually a better one - taught me not to fit/rat drunk... ZOMG! EYE ARE ZO FAILZ! Well aren't you just special. "Bugged killmail" ... really? I mean ... REALLY? I'd accept one. When you start applying that same excuse to every loss you have? It doesn't become believable. Are you being deliberately obtuse (on second thought, your corp ticker should have been the clue...)? I said "it taught me not to fit/rat drunk" that is not a bugged killmail, i actually went out ratting in that fit - drunk as a skunk. When I get that ripped anymore, I usually have corpies check to make sure I haven't forgotten guns, scrams or something else really important . . . /sigh... goddam CCP and their ****ed boards- posted with alt...
Demonization	Posted - 2011.09.03 16:43:00 - [196] Posting in the worst thread ever created on this forum. Whaaa whaaaaaa e-uni isn't real pvp whaaa blobs whaaaaaaaa I decced them and they didn't fight fairly whaaaa whaaa whaaaaaaaaaa In response to the OP: let's face it, 99% of the **heads who wardec the uni are just high-sec griefing gots looking for easy kills who invariably get *d in the face and then cry a river. As said, if you want PvP go to lowsec or nullsec, stop ing about in highsec and stop whining like a whaaaaaaawhaaaa. The uni is a great place to begin your eve career - you can always tell an ex unista out in nullsec because they're the ones who don't **ing jump without being told to. I wholeheartedly support any change to the game to stop the uni from getting faildecs, how any of you can insult the uni when you're in highsec wardeccing industrial and noob corps is beyond me, you're literally a winnet hanging on to the end of an ass hair.


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