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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:02:00 -
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DAY 3 of PAX PRIME 2011
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As a reminder, most of these questions were answered through my Sign Language interpreter during a face-to-face interview with CCP Soundwave. Thus, the conversion from English to Sign Language, then to English, may be a bit dodgy - so I listened to his responses, wrote down my interpretation of his response, and had him proofread these written responses for factual accuracy. In some of the questions, he wrote the answers himself because of the complexity of the question/answer.
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Sanya > Any plans to level the different tiers on tech one ships, so they are relatively equal in unmoduled tank and fitting grid, thus making ships below Rifters, Punishers etc. actually viable?
Response> No, the large quantity of tech one ships have different qualities and weaknesses that make each unique, and we'd like to keep that "color" in.
Cheiftan> Does CCP have any plans to implment Aggression Countdown penalties for logistic ships that willingly aid ships that have aggressed other capsuleers? Penalties like prevention of docking or use of jumpgates.
Response> Not specifically for that ship, but we'll revisit the mechanic as a whole at some point.
Creetalor > Will defender missiles ever get taken a look at to act as a fleet protection tool and not just one for yourself?
(Basically, advanced Defender Missiles that will discriminately attack incoming missiles that are targeting your fleetmates)
Response> We haven't had any talks on this subject internally, but this is a good suggestion.
Valan Kenobi > Will the Jove play a more Active role as a NPC, Incursion type enemy/ally sometime in the future?
Vin Hellsing> ^Addenum: What if there was a repeatable quest arc that, upon completion and if enough players completed it, would trigger Jove encounters in Incursions?
Response> We'll see the Jove more in the future, but they're a bit like a christmas present - you won't know when they'll show up, or what they'll bring.
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
Katrina Oniseki > Will 'establishments' be merely a euphemism for pubs and bars, or will they be blank rooms that can be furnished to fill a variety of services like corporate recruiting offices, or multiplayer holographic map rooms (Added by another player: Will there be storefronts in stations)?
Response> Establishments will be more like a bar or a shop, but we defeinately want some sort of corp offices, etc at some point in the future.
Katrina Oniseki > Are there any plans for a mining overhaul to remove some of the percieved tedium and overease of the profession? Comets and system wide asteroid belts have been suggested before.
Response> Maybe not an overhaul, but additions could be considered for the profession. At present, I am confortable with its current iteration.
Chribba> Will we ever see a function to install multiple industrial jobs in a single click? For example, I have 10 invention jobs, selecting 10 BPC's and install them all with the same options in a single click (obviously they would like stack up in queue etc)...
Response> Yes, we have plans to redo the industry UI.
Sanya > A lot of people have iPads these days, and are there any plans to make an iPad-optimized version of the EVE Gate, or even an app?
Response> Not that I know of.
>>>Questions Continue In The Next Post...
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:03:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki > Have you considered implementing an in-game survey system to gain the opinions of players who do not use the forums or participate in the CSM? Simple vote based surveys found optionally somewhere upon login may be useful.
Response> I don't think we'll be implementing something to that effect anytime soon.
John Revenent> Will we get a MOTD option for Alliance and Corp chats?
Response> That's a good idea. I actually want to do that now.
Shepard Book> Will CCP have plans with Sony to offer a PS3 Dust 514 bundle? It would be a great way for some late-adopters to jump into the platform.
Response> I'm not involved with business decisions like that, but I think it's a cool idea.
Vin Hellsing> Are there plans to allow DUST Players be able to meet face-to-face with EVE Players in Incarna? (This question came up during a discussion about namespace being shared between DUST and EVE)
Response> We don't know at this time, but we may be able to implement it in the future. We certainly hope so.
Kalaratiri > When will assault frigs get their fourth bonus?
Response> We have a guy who balances the ships in development, we aren't certain on the time frame - it won't be coming this winter, that's for sure.
Carlani Hudson > Any news on that famed Industry expansion ?
Uraniae Fehrnah > ^ Mining overhaul, renting POS science/industry slots out to others, etc...
Response> A comprehensive expansion? No, probably not, hopefully we can do a little here and there.
Seriphyn Inhonores> Will we have faction-based items for Incarna-related content? Clothes, furniture, medals, etc. (emphasis on clothing, though!)
Response> We might, in the future as a "factional clothing line". But it's still in the air.
Ghost Hunter > When are they going to rebalance the sansha faction items to reflect the changes they did to the ships some years ago?
Response> I'm not sure what you mean by that question, so I can't give an effective answer.
Aelisha > Will establishments be able to have VIP/Barred filters for entry?
Response> Probably not at launch, but it would be cool to have some sort of filtering mechanic so players can make their stuff exclusive.
Chribba> Will we have mining laser effects based on the type of crystal we use? (His actual question was "will we ever get to see rainbow mining?")
Response> That's a cool idea, but there are no plans at this time.
Carlani Hudson > Any news on possible new ship remodels? If so, can you tell us which ships will be given a facelift?
Response> We're in the process of reskinning all of the models. Most of them should be shinier when they're done.
John Revenent > When is EVE going to get a in game translator, and spell checker? (Referring to the fact that John misspelled "Corporation" when he made Revenent Defence Corperation.)
Response> We don't know if that will be implemented, and I do want to see that for multiple languages, but we don't know if we will be able to implement it.
Vin Hellsing> Will NeX ship paint jobs be cheaper than the clothes?
Response> Yes. They will be a lot cheaper.
And at this point, we ran out of time to complete the Q&A at PAX Prime 2011. I'll be staying in touch with CCP in the coming months. If you don't see your question answered with this Q&A, don't despair. There will likely be more Q&A's in the future and I will do my best to get them all answered.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:07:19
As a word of caution about the question regarding Incarna and ship hangars, don't read too much into it. If I'm not mistaken, it has been said in the past that ship spinning will return in some form.
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Captain Hindsite
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:11:00 -
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Holy friggin cow...20 some answers in which this key Eve developer could only say "no plans, no timeframe, don't think so, not sure, no no no." But he sure was quick to note that Incarna will never be optional...****ing awesome...
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Captain Hindsite
Holy friggin cow...20 some answers in which this key Eve developer could only say "no plans, no timeframe, don't think so, not sure, no no no." But he sure was quick to note that Incarna will never be optional...****ing awesome...
Pessimist much?
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Captain Hindsite
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Pessimist much?
Vin, I certainly appreciate you going through the effort to conduct this interview and then put it up here on the forums. That said - what, in this portion of the interview, would you point to as a cause for optimism?
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hindsite
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Pessimist much?
Vin, I certainly appreciate you going through the effort to conduct this interview and then put it up here on the forums. That said - what, in this portion of the interview, would you point to as a cause for optimism?
Personally? The fact that there will be dirt-cheap items on the NeX. Not all hope will be lost.
You do know that the world of EVE isn't supposed to be a place of roses and bunnies.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:07:19
As a word of caution about the question regarding Incarna and ship hangars, don't read too much into it. If I'm not mistaken, it has been said in the past that ship spinning will return in some form.
Pointed out the relevant part of your post.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:07:19
As a word of caution about the question regarding Incarna and ship hangars, don't read too much into it. If I'm not mistaken, it has been said in the past that ship spinning will return in some form.
Pointed out the relevant part of your post.
It doesn't mean it has been dropped. You do remember they explained that there are technical issues regarding the old hangar and the new Incarna system.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:27:59
Originally by: Mr LaForge
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:07:19
As a word of caution about the question regarding Incarna and ship hangars, don't read too much into it. If I'm not mistaken, it has been said in the past that ship spinning will return in some form.
Pointed out the relevant part of your post.
It doesn't mean it has been dropped. You do remember they explained that there are technical issues regarding the old hangar and the new Incarna system.
Also, it seems that it's a hobby for some forum*****s to look for the slightest flaw in a statement to scream bloody murder over. Nice hobby, guys. :p
*goes back to blowing up Guristas*
I'm just pointing out that this could very well be another promise that they don't plan to deliver on.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Carlani Hudson > Any news on possible new ship remodels? If so, can you tell us which ships will be given a facelift?
Response> We're in the process of reskinning all of the models. Most of them should be shinier when they're done.[/i]
That response made my day. Hopefully that means it will be possible to zoom all the way onto a Dominix without the texture getting fuzzy.
Many thanks to Vin and CCP Soundwave.
While the amount of unanswered questions and "don't know" answers was unfortunate, I'd much rather CCP say honestly that they have no plans to do something, or that they plan to do something I might disagree with, than for them to remain silent.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:37:06
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 00:36:53
Originally by: Alice Katsuko
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Carlani Hudson > Any news on possible new ship remodels? If so, can you tell us which ships will be given a facelift?
Response> We're in the process of reskinning all of the models. Most of them should be shinier when they're done.[/i]
That response made my day. Hopefully that means it will be possible to zoom all the way onto a Dominix without the texture getting fuzzy.
Many thanks to Vin and CCP Soundwave.
While the amount of unanswered questions and "don't know" answers was unfortunate, I'd much rather CCP say honestly that they have no plans to do something, or that they plan to do something I might disagree with, than for them to remain silent.
And this is the entire point of a Q&A.
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Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
god ****ing damnit
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
god ****ing damnit
You'll live.
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Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
god ****ing damnit
You'll live.
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AnzacPaul
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:41:00 -
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Vin, stop defending Soundwave's answers. WE APPRECIATE HUGELY that you took your own time to do this, and we have no problem with you or the way you conducted this interview.
HOWEVER, if the only positive thing you got out of an interview is that "nex items will be cheaper", then mate, you aren't in any position to defend Soundwave's responses.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: AnzacPaul
Vin, stop defending Soundwave's answers. WE APPRECIATE HUGELY that you took your own time to do this, and we have no problem with you or the way you conducted this interview.
HOWEVER, if the only positive thing you got out of an interview is that "nex items will be cheaper", then mate, you aren't in any position to defend Soundwave's responses.
Personally I have issues with the lack of a choice for a hangar view and a CQ view. Though when I look at CCP's responses on the issue, I don't see them really making an effort to bring back the old ship hangar. The most we'd get is a different, incarna-compatible ship hangar - we just don't know how it will/could be implemented.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Katsuko
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Carlani Hudson > Any news on possible new ship remodels? If so, can you tell us which ships will be given a facelift?
Response> We're in the process of reskinning all of the models. Most of them should be shinier when they're done.[/i]
That response made my day. Hopefully that means it will be possible to zoom all the way onto a Dominix without the texture getting fuzzy.
As long as you're willing to give it a few years.
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Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Alice Katsuko
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Carlani Hudson > Any news on possible new ship remodels? If so, can you tell us which ships will be given a facelift?
Response> We're in the process of reskinning all of the models. Most of them should be shinier when they're done.[/i]
That response made my day. Hopefully that means it will be possible to zoom all the way onto a Dominix without the texture getting fuzzy.
As long as you're willing to give it a few years.
Given the number of ships in existence in-game, I would probably give it until next year, spring at the earliest, to get it all done. That's assuming they have enough of their model/texture crew working on it.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
This response alone irritates me and makes me wonder if CCP actually paid any attention to the protests 2-3 months ago... or if they actually listened to the CSM at all (for what little good they are capable of doing)...
If Incarna and "disembarking" become completely non-optional then I'll have to find a new game. I see my avatar is my SHIP dammit. I don't want to be forced out of my pod.
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Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Vin, stop defending Soundwave's answers. WE APPRECIATE HUGELY that you took your own time to do this, and we have no problem with you or the way you conducted this interview.
HOWEVER, if the only positive thing you got out of an interview is that "nex items will be cheaper", then mate, you aren't in any position to defend Soundwave's responses.
Personally I have issues with the lack of a choice for a hangar view and a CQ view. Though when I look at CCP's responses on the issue, I don't see them really making an effort to bring back the old ship hangar. The most we'd get is a different, incarna-compatible ship hangar - we just don't know how it will/could be implemented.
But there IS a difference between "don't have any plans" and "don't know how it would work".
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 01/09/2011 00:56:00
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 01/09/2011 00:55:04
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 01/09/2011 00:54:23
Even if they don't re-implement the old hangar, I don't think it's a big deal since Carbon will eventually be optimized to the point where it won't be too stressful to run. They should at least give people the option, though.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Alice Katsuko
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Carlani Hudson > Any news on possible new ship remodels? If so, can you tell us which ships will be given a facelift?
Response> We're in the process of reskinning all of the models. Most of them should be shinier when they're done.
That response made my day. Hopefully that means it will be possible to zoom all the way onto a Dominix without the texture getting fuzzy.
As long as you're willing to give it a few years.
Given the number of ships in existence in-game, I would probably give it until next year, spring at the earliest, to get it all done. That's assuming they have enough of their model/texture crew working on it.
That sounds extremely[/i] optimistic given CCP art team's current priorities.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Even if they don't re-implement the old hangar, I don't think it's a big deal since Carbon will eventually be optimized to the point where it won't be too stressful to run.
This. It may be a "No" right now on the question of re-implementing ship hangars, but it may become a "Yes" in the future.
Remember, Incarna was something they wanted to do for a long time, but were prevented by major technical and production hurdles with the pre-Carbon graphics engine that EVE used.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
About the Nebulae question, I'm not sure if it was asked or not, or if I had even compiled it into the list of questions in the first place for the second Q&A. I'm guessing you probably posted that question too late for me to have it in the list.
In that case, you should resubmit the question to me via EveMail. I'm accepting questions via that for any future Q&A's.
Cool. I'll do that. I edited my post because I realized that this thread is actually the 2nd interview. ;P
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Even if they don't re-implement the old hangar, I don't think it's a big deal since Carbon will eventually be optimized to the point where it won't be too stressful to run. They should at least give people the option, though.
My computer handles CQ just fine. For myself this is an issue of immersion first and foremost. CCP's current implementation of docking just doesn't make sense, and neither do their weak attempts at rationalizing this blunder.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Cool. I'll do that. I edited my post because I realized that this thread is actually the 2nd interview. ;P
Fixed up mine as well. ;)
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:21:00 -
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Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
@CCP Old hangar. Return it. Immediately.
How is a JPEG of a door central future of EVE? gtf off your high horse please.
The question explains hundreds of problems people are having and offers a solution but Dev just gives the finger about it. ,,|,,
CQ is terribly coded, and I disabled it indefinitely. Old hangar is more practical and efficient.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: BLACK-STAR
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
@CCP Old hangar. Return it. Immediately.
How is a JPEG of a door central future of EVE? gtf off your high horse please.
The question explains hundreds of problems people are having and offers a solution but Dev just gives the finger about it. ,,|,,
CQ is terribly coded, and I disabled it indefinitely. Old hangar is more practical and efficient.
You didn't listen, did you?
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
Quote:
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
@CCP Old hangar. Return it. Immediately.
How is a JPEG of a door central future of EVE? gtf off your high horse please.
The question explains hundreds of problems people are having and offers a solution but Dev just gives the finger about it. ,,|,,
CQ is terribly coded, and I disabled it indefinitely. Old hangar is more practical and efficient.
You didn't listen, did you?
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
Could you point to the place where CCP Soundwave says that? Because his quoted response looks to be very categorical in its denial of any return of the hanger in any form.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
You didn't listen, did you?
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
I don't care about the excuses.
I want the old hangar functionality back like it was before it was ****d.
That's my point, and I don't care for excuses about it. CCP certainly can easily do it if they choose to. Sloppy works come sloppy excuses. "Technical difficulties" bull.
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Kartaugh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
You didn't listen, did you?
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
Except that's not what he said. That's what was said in the past, in the same explanation that said they WERE working on it, but there were the aforementioned technical difficulties.
That explanation has now been changed to:
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
Can you notice the difference?
Stance 1 = It's hard, but we're trying. Hang on to your butts...
Stance 2 = We're not trying.
Two possibilities here. One, they lied when they said they were trying (even if it was hard). Two, CCP Soundwave is incredibly out of the decision making and inside information loop, and frankly, I don't know which one is worse...
Thank you for conducting the interview, as I now know more about CCP than I did before. Too bad it's not a good thing to know this much...
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
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Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
@CCP Old hangar. Return it. Immediately.
How is a JPEG of a door central future of EVE? gtf off your high horse please.
The question explains hundreds of problems people are having and offers a solution but Dev just gives the finger about it. ,,|,,
CQ is terribly coded, and I disabled it indefinitely. Old hangar is more practical and efficient.
You didn't listen, did you?
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
Could you point to the place where CCP Soundwave says that? Because his quoted response looks to be very categorical in its denial of any return of the hanger in any form.
Regarding the technical hurdles - it was suggested as a reason by someone during Monoclegate. Personally, I think that is the main issue CCP is facing. However, that is NOT attributable to CCP Soundwave as far as I know.
The reason for the really brief and stuccinct response, is probably Soundwave and I were out of it during the Q&A. I know I was - it was the last day of PAX Prime and he probably didn't realize the significance of the question. I'll try to get the question clarified when/if we do the next Q&A.
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Kartaugh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:45:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
The reason for the really brief and stuccinct response, is probably Soundwave and I were out of it during the Q&A. I know I was - it was the last day of PAX Prime and he probably didn't realize the significance of the question.
Ok, I can buy this. I've done stuff like this before and I do understand how tired you can get, and then mistakes are made.
Putting my indignation on hold.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:48:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Kartaugh
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
The reason for the really brief and stuccinct response, is probably Soundwave and I were out of it during the Q&A. I know I was - it was the last day of PAX Prime and he probably didn't realize the significance of the question.
Ok, I can buy this. I've done stuff like this before and I do understand how tired you can get, and then mistakes are made.
Putting my indignation on hold.
I appreciate your patience. I will try to get in touch with CCP and get a response on this question ASAP.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:55:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Razin on 01/09/2011 01:55:30
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Kartaugh
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
The reason for the really brief and stuccinct response, is probably Soundwave and I were out of it during the Q&A. I know I was - it was the last day of PAX Prime and he probably didn't realize the significance of the question.
Ok, I can buy this. I've done stuff like this before and I do understand how tired you can get, and then mistakes are made.
Putting my indignation on hold.
I appreciate your patience. I will try to get in touch with CCP and get a response on this question ASAP.
Thanks man!
The question did allow some leeway in response by asking for "the old ship hanger or some version of it", however it was probably easy to miss in the situation you describe. Hopefully the main import of the issue can be fully considered by CCP in calmer circumstances.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:58:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 02:00:47
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 01/09/2011 01:55:30
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Kartaugh
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
The reason for the really brief and stuccinct response, is probably Soundwave and I were out of it during the Q&A. I know I was - it was the last day of PAX Prime and he probably didn't realize the significance of the question.
Ok, I can buy this. I've done stuff like this before and I do understand how tired you can get, and then mistakes are made.
Putting my indignation on hold.
I appreciate your patience. I will try to get in touch with CCP and get a response on this question ASAP.
Thanks man!
The question did allow some leeway in response by asking for "the old ship hanger or some version of it", however it was probably easy to miss in the situation you describe. Hopefully the main import of the issue can be fully considered by CCP in calmer circumstances.
That's the goal with my current e-mail. I've just written it up and fired it off to their Media department. All we can do now is wait patiently.
Now that you've mentioned it, the context does make sense - they aren't bringing back the old hangar system...but instead devising a new hangar system to take its place within the Carbon Engine.
The question I just sent off will address this, as well.
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SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:59:00 -
[38]
I like how CCP dropped the plans to bring some form of the old hangar back without missing a heartbeat. I remember CCP said they would when the **** hit the fan 2 months ago and they realized "the emotional attachment our players have with the old hangar/ship spinning", Soundwave's response was just a clear NO.
So regardless of all the protests and recommendations both players and CSM made CCP's answer is "No, we don't have any plans for that."
In other words:
NO disembark from ship
NO transition from ship to CQ/door other than a loading screen
NO animations
NO shipspinning
The Monocle Definition |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:04:00 -
[39]
God, CCP is terrible.
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Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:13:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
god ****ing damnit
You'll live.
You are a ***got.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:20:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
god ****ing damnit
You'll live.
You are a ***got.
I love you, too.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:30:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
However! We will return to this question in the next Q&A, this time with a better-written question that will reference the CSM summit's results. That should produce a more concise and accurate response, assuming CCP Soundwave doesn't decide to step in here and clarify it for us ahead of time. :)
You have access to the summit minutes? Please share, because nobody else has seen these mysterious notes.
Or are you just assuming what you think is in the summit minutes?
It's disturbing to see the level people will stoop for access (and the hope of continued access) to a CCP dev.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:41:00 -
[43]
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
However! We will return to this question in the next Q&A, this time with a better-written question that will reference the CSM summit's results. That should produce a more concise and accurate response, assuming CCP Soundwave doesn't decide to step in here and clarify it for us ahead of time. :)
You have access to the summit minutes? Please share, because nobody else has seen these mysterious notes.
Or are you just assuming what you think is in the summit minutes?
It's disturbing to see the level people will stoop for access (and the hope of continued access) to a CCP dev.
Not asking for access to the Summit's minutes, sorry. That would be overstepping my bounds.
The question for the next Q&A - or hopefully just this question, and a lot sooner - will focus on whether or not CCP Soundwave's response had any bearing on the response given by CCP at the CSM summit. That is to say, in a nut shell: Does Soundwave's answer negate what CCP had asserted to the CSM about the Post-Incarna hangar system?
My hope is that the answer to that question will be this: "No, it does not. The answer was referring specifically to the old hangar system, which is incompatible with Incarna."
My focus for the community is a series of honest, direct Q&A's with the dev team, not the CSM.
In closing, I hope to have a solid response from CCP on this issue by the start of next week.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:52:00 -
[44]
CCP did say in the past that they were considering a "replacement" for the old hangar view as a substitute for the door.
However, CCP Soundwave has merely confirmed CCP's previous position that Incarna will be an integral part of EVE, and that it will not remain optional indefinitely. At this point, nothing anyone says will change their mind. So CCP may have decided to not allocate any resources towards developing a new hangar view, since that hangar view will be disabled anyway in a few months at most. I do not think that pushing Incarna onto the players in its current state is a good idea. Much as CCP did not make the Trinity graphics mandatory for a long time, it should not make Incarna and its excessively resource-intensive graphics mandatory for at least a year, and perhaps longer. It's not like Incarna will contain any meaningful or essential gameplay in the foreseeable future.
That said, if Captain's Quarters is made non-optional in its current state, I will cancel my subscription. That is not a threat, it is a fact; CCP won't miss my $14 per month, so a threat would be pointless. But my computer cannot run the current version of Incarna without overheating at virtually any reasonable settings, and I would no more run Incarna on it regularly than I would run Metro 2033. To the trolls: No, I can't shove a pair of fans inside a laptop, and no, I do not have $500 to spend on a desktop just to play EVE.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.09.01 05:03:00 -
[45]
In summery
"We dont want to do some of that - but the rest of it we like but will never get around to.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.01 05:13:00 -
[46]
Summary:
"I don't know about all that flying in space business. What I do know is that the hangar isn't coming back and WAIT TILL YOU CHECK OUT THESE SHIP PAINT JOBS, THEY ARE S-W-E-E-T! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE IT AND THEY'LL ONLY RUN 1k AURUM EACH SO PLEASE, GET IN LINE, HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARDS READY"
I mean really, why develop a game when the players will pay you NOT to develop it? Amirite?
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Craven Aleros
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Posted - 2011.09.01 05:30:00 -
[47]
There's a pattern emerging in those answers but I just can't work out what it is yet?!?
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RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.01 07:02:00 -
[48]
Sad :(
All we have to look forward to is empty promises of features we never wanted in the first place.
If CCP messes up the 0.0 update I really feel like Eve will be done for.
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Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.09.01 07:15:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 01/09/2011 07:19:23
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
You didn't listen, did you?
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
Quote:
Just out of curiosity, how many people would inject the old ship spinning in station if I released it here? I ask because it sits right in the middle of some of your definitions, and is actually quite "risk-free" among injections.
Quote:
Injections I use (some not very regularly):
- ScanHelper (includes super d-scan that estimate result range with a slider range control)
- WarpToZero
- FlightHelper (WASD directional steering)
- ActiveItemHelper (gives me sliders for keep range/orbit)
- ShipSpinner (gives me old station environment)
- TargetHelper(white target underlay)
- LocalWatch (report local hostile number, flash warning and autowarp to safe spot togglable)
- DistanceWatch (sets anchor, button to add to watchlist, displays watchlist items' (and your own) distance to anchor)
- LootScooper (scoops closest wreck/cargo that's within 2500m, filter customizable)
- Mining and ratting bots (my mining bot is actually more efficient than any macro based miner, due to access to information unobtainable from image recognition)
maybe he is just bragging, maybe he is not - the general tone of his comments is reasonable, we know that CCP likes to disable features rather than to remove them and the other mods he uses are not surprising (feature-wise). I am inclined to believe his claim...
Seeing that the value of NeX items is directly related to Incarana/CQ adoption CCP simply has no interest in making it easy or comfortable for people to bypass Incarna completely.
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Living Dead Girl
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Posted - 2011.09.01 07:23:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Summary:
"I don't know about all that flying in space business. What I do know is that the hangar isn't coming back and WAIT TILL YOU CHECK OUT THESE SHIP PAINT JOBS, It'll Be Awesome! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE IT AND THEY'LL ONLY RUN 1k AURUM EACH SO PLEASE, GET IN LINE, HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARDS READY"
I mean really, why develop a game when the players will pay you NOT to develop it? Amirite?
fyp, gotta keep up with the ccp catch phrases a lil better
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Lu'Marat
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Posted - 2011.09.01 09:19:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Lu''Marat on 01/09/2011 09:20:51
... I gotta say, I'm usually part of the "Give CCP a break" crowd and I do like CCP Soundwave but if that Q&A really reflects the state of things then that's a definite buzzkill. 
Ah well. We'll see what's up ahead.
Anyway, thanks to Vin Hellsing for getting this done, that was a lot of work. Sorry I can't be more enthusiastic about it.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.01 09:36:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
There are technical hurdles with the Carbon Engine that makes it unfeasible in the current timeframe.
Then how about not using the Carbon engine if it's so incapable? And don't come back with that ôoh, it will look different/break immersionö because CCP don't give a flying **** about immersion, as shown by all thing Incarna. Any attempt towards to deflect it by ôduplication of effortö can also go die, because the assets already exist. There is no duplication, or rather, the duplication has already happened and doesn't cost anything.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.09.01 09:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Mindless fanboyism and invention of reasons/explenations
Man I hate it when people say it but... Hilmar is that you?
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Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara f japanska tfskuverslun.
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Sekket
Caldari
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.09.01 10:38:00 -
[54]
Quote:
Response> We'll see the Jove more in the future, but they're a bit like a christmas present - you won't know when they'll show up, or what they'll bring.
I'm pretty sure Christmas presents show up on December 25th.
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Liquid Drops
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Posted - 2011.09.01 11:47:00 -
[55]
Liars are scum! Just saying. 
Lie to me once shame on you lie to me twice then **** you. |
Pestilent Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.01 15:23:00 -
[56]
People of Eve, your leaders have lied to you.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 18:36:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Mindless fanboyism and invention of reasons/explenations
Man I hate it when people say it but... Hilmar is that you?
And I hate it when people make assumptions based off a very vague question and answer. :P I'm working on getting a clarified answer on the matter.
Maybe I should just stop posting Q&A's here on the forums and keep it to the mailing list - the forums are definitely a hive of scum and villainy...
OR maybe people just overreact too goddamn much?
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 18:46:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?
Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.
god ****ing damnit
You'll live.
Funny thing is thats pretty much CCPs take too an yeah, we'll livem but enough of this shiot getting rammed down our throats an we'll be "live"ing in another game
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.01 19:28:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Mindless fanboyism and invention of reasons/explenations
Man I hate it when people say it but... Hilmar is that you?
And I hate it when people make assumptions based off a very vague question and answer. :P I'm working on getting a clarified answer on the matter.
Maybe I should just stop posting Q&A's here on the forums and keep it to the mailing list - the forums are definitely a hive of scum and villainy...
OR maybe people just overreact too goddamn much?
Apparent failure to read does not a vague question make.
And besides, overreaction is the only proven customer relation mechanism that CCP seems to understand.
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Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.09.01 19:30:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Mindless fanboyism and invention of reasons/explenations
Man I hate it when people say it but... Hilmar is that you?
And I hate it when people make assumptions based off a very vague question and answer. :P I'm working on getting a clarified answer on the matter.
Maybe I should just stop posting Q&A's here on the forums and keep it to the mailing list - the forums are definitely a hive of scum and villainy...
OR maybe people just overreact too goddamn much?
Apparent failure to read does not a vague question make.
And besides, overreaction is the only proven customer relation mechanism that CCP seems to understand.
Jesus christ, you're not wrong on that count. When I see the overreactions, I wonder: "Is everybody more deaf than I am, or is it a mental disease?"
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