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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:20:00 -
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Yep, the new forums need to ban anyone trying to use "rediculous" in their posts... (not ban the person, ban the "word" itself)... there needs to be a spell checker that will auto-correct it to "ridiculous" or, at the least, flag the far-too-often incorrect spelling and require the typist to correct the error. Even if someone names a character "Rediculous", they should be banned from posting at all, for they would look ridiculous.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
Sparkle ships are the future! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:25:00 -
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I really could care less about grammer.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:26:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:27:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
That's why she stopped sending you Christmas cards.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
Sparkle ships are the future! |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:34:00 -
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i heard they banned https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Common%20Sense as well
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:36:00 -
[6]
You could use a browser that isn't Internet Explorer.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:38:00 -
[7]
A good percentage of players learned English only after their native language. Go Fk yourself.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.02 14:39:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
All of the sudden, you took it to a whole nother level.
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Malcolm Khross
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.09.02 15:36:00 -
[9]
Yeah...about that.
See, the problem isn't so much the people spelling the word incorrectly, it's that a great many English speakers not only are incapable of pronouncing the words they speak every day correctly but also went through the American Education System.
English is not only the most complicated language in the world contextually, grammatically and phonetically, it's one of few with homonyms. Really, if you want to complain about people spelling "ridiculous" as "rediculous" because people can't say "rid - ick - you - les" and instead say "ree-dic-you-less" you should also complain that the official spelling for "nay-bor" is "neighbor" and that "honor" is pronounced "on-er."
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.02 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
A good percentage of players learned English only after their native language.
àwhich means that they've actually had some formal education on things like spelling and grammar, which is often abandoned early on for native language education.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Thermik
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Posted - 2011.09.02 16:09:00 -
[11]
This thread is redonkulous!
Grammar na-zis unite!
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.09.02 16:13:00 -
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English:
Moose - Moose
Goose - Geese
Louse - Lice
Mouse - Mice
House - Houses
Win - won
Spin - spun
To - Too - Two
Won - One
knight - Night (And you thought silent letters were unimportant).
Toe - Tow
The fact that anyone not native to it bothers to learn English at all earns them some leeway in my book.
--Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Johann King
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Posted - 2011.09.02 16:16:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
All of the sudden, you took it to a whole nother level.
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2011.09.02 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 02/09/2011 16:18:49
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Lethriel
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Posted - 2011.09.02 16:21:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
That's all well 'n good sir, but this thread is about spelling. 
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Schmacos tryne
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Posted - 2011.09.02 17:44:00 -
[16]
On rule to rule them all:
if English is your only spoken language, you should be auto-banned for complaining about people who have English as a secondary language (or even further down the list).
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.09.02 17:54:00 -
[17]
as a deslexic i dont care
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.02 18:00:00 -
[18]
Wat?
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.09.02 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
English:
Moose - Moose
Goose - Geese
Louse - Lice
Mouse - Mice
House - Houses
Win - won
Spin - spun
To - Too - Two
Won - One
knight - Night (And you thought silent letters were unimportant).
Toe - Tow
The fact that anyone not native to it bothers to learn English at all earns them some leeway in my book.
You forgot two, GUILTY at times 
there - their
see - seen
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Brutal Red
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 18:26:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
We have a winnar .
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.09.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
If you *could* care less, it must mean you care more than nothing. Unless negative caring is possible, in which case you could care less than zero. But I would think caring is an absolute value kind of thing, where even being anti-grammar is still caring.
Regardless, your grammar appears to be in order; it's only your spelling and colloquial phrases that are a bit off.
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JumboJet Li
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Posted - 2011.09.02 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
If you *could* care less, it must mean you care more than nothing. Unless negative caring is possible, in which case you could care less than zero. But I would think caring is an absolute value kind of thing, where even being anti-grammar is still caring.
Regardless, your grammar appears to be in order; it's only your spelling and colloquial phrases that are a bit off.
Have a nice day :)
I'd agree but I couldn't care less.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.09.02 20:11:00 -
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Waht's teh porblem? Az long az peeps can unnerstadn their shoodn't bee an isue.
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Umad Bro Questionmark
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Posted - 2011.09.02 20:15:00 -
[24]
Originally by: RAW23
Waht's teh porblem? Az long az peeps can unnerstadn their shoodn't bee an isue.
Current state of the forums:
Making capsuleers slightly angry since 2003.
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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
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Posted - 2011.09.02 20:59:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Malcolm Khross
Yeah...about that.
See, the problem isn't so much the people spelling the word incorrectly, it's that a great many English speakers not only are incapable of pronouncing the words they speak every day correctly but also went through the American Education System.
It's spelled Amerikan Edumacashun Sisum
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:06:00 -
[26]
This is inconceivable!
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:22:00 -
[27]
Anyone who looses his spelling abilities is a very unique looser.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:24:00 -
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I generally let some spelling/grammar mistakes slide here and there (mostly because I'm notorious for making "typos")... so long as the writing overall is clear.
That said... the misuse of the following two words "slightly" irritates me:
affect - effect
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Umad Bro Questionmark
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:31:00 -
[29]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!
I'm too young to get this reference.
Current state of the forums:
Making capsuleers slightly angry since 2003.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:50:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Malcolm Khross
English is not only the most complicated language in the world contextually, grammatically and phonetically, it's one of few with homonyms. Really, if you want to complain about people spelling "ridiculous" as "rediculous" because people can't say "rid - ick - you - les" and instead say "ree-dic-you-less" you should also complain that the official spelling for "nay-bor" is "neighbor" and that "honor" is pronounced "on-er."
oh if only my mother language was as difficult as english...
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:55:00 -
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To all the posters jumping on and defending those that speak English as a second language who do not always spell things properly, the spelling problem the OP points out probably resided within individuals that use English as a primary language. I would also hypothesize that most of those guilty of spelling ridiculous as rediculous come from the States located below the Mason Dixon Line and East of the Mississippi
Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!
I'm too young to get this reference.
Well, within said link there is information that will empower you so as you can find out the reference.
Slade
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Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:56:00 -
[32]
Just remember...
i before e except after c.
IS still 'taught'.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
:facepalm:
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.09.02 22:02:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...
i before e except after c.
IS still 'taught'.
beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Rediculous Grammer
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Posted - 2011.09.02 22:08:00 -
[34]
Don't ban me bro =(
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Gustav Kurvora
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Posted - 2011.09.02 22:10:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Malcolm Khross
English is not only the most complicated language in the world contextually, grammatically and phonetically, it's one of few with homonyms. Really, if you want to complain about people spelling "ridiculous" as "rediculous" because people can't say "rid - ick - you - les" and instead say "ree-dic-you-less" you should also complain that the official spelling for "nay-bor" is "neighbor" and that "honor" is pronounced "on-er."
oh if only my mother language was as difficult as english...
Well, I guess it's a type of "complicated" that's easy to learn; don't know how that would work, though.
Considering there are languages without vowels or with extremely unusual phonemes. That there are languages without articles, without grammatical genders and other interesting stuff. That some languages have noun declinations while others (romance languages) have many, many prepositions. So no, english is not difficult at all.
However, there is 1 language I can think of that is even easier to learn than english, and that is esperanto.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 22:14:00 -
[36]
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...
i before e except after c.
IS still 'taught'.
beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird
Thank you for hammering his point home
Slade
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therealdhs
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.02 22:31:00 -
[37]
That's ri****ulus
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.09.02 22:41:00 -
[38]
Originally by: RAW23
Az long az peeps can unnerstadn their shoodn't bee an isue.
What do delicious, marshmallow treats have to do with the issue? 
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.09.02 23:17:00 -
[39]
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.
just saying
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hypno toad
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.09.02 23:27:00 -
[40]
Me fail English that is unpossible!
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Karontin Maysubile
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Posted - 2011.09.02 23:28:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.
just saying
Not in Eve.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.09.02 23:46:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Karontin Maysubile
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.
just saying
Not in Eve.
well least ccp got the date system right i guess
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.03 01:19:00 -
[43]
LOL FAIL
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.03 06:02:00 -
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I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:06:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too.
wasnt this on a beer mat years ago?
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Marchocias
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:11:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:11:54
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
Eugh. The fact, that this Americanism means literally the opposite of whats intended, breaks my soul.
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.
just saying
It really ought to be year/month/day.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:16:00 -
[47]
Pen1s.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:17:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Marchocias
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:11:54
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
Eugh. The fact, that this Americanism means literally the opposite of whats intended, breaks my soul.
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.
just saying
It really ought to be year/month/day.
i could live with year/month/day, dont get month/day/year seams very backwards.
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Marchocias
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:37:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:37:12
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
i could live with year/month/day, dont get month/day/year seams very backwards.
Exactly.
Basically, ascending or descending order of magnitude is acceptable (I prefer descending, as then date and time are treated the same), but having a random order is just illogical.
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Marchocias
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:41:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:46:32
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...
i before e except after c.
IS still 'taught'.
beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird
I'm pretty sure its actually:
"I before E except after C, when the sound is EE."
Which only leaves the following exceptions from your list:
codeine, leitmotiv, prescient, seidel, seize,
Note:
1) Codeine didn't exist when that rule was invented - it seems a bit harsh to judge
ill of the rule, when some scientist has just gone and made something up without
consulting an English teacher.
2) I'm pretty sure prescient doesn't count, as both vowels are sounded individually.
3) Not sure how seidel is pronounced, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
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Master Ventris
Rogue Pioneers
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Blunts
i could live with year/month/day, dont get month/day/year seams very backwards.
How about 246.11.M3 and then just bin off the pagan calendar and be done with it?
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.09.03 11:58:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!
I'm too young to get this reference.
I'm extremely annoyed he beat me to it tbh. 
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2011.09.03 12:13:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Cebraio on 03/09/2011 12:16:05
Originally by: Marchocias
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:46:32
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...
i before e except after c.
IS still 'taught'.
beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird
I'm pretty sure its actually:
"I before E except after C, when the sound is EE."
Which only leaves the following exceptions from your list:
codeine, leitmotiv, prescient, seidel, seize,
Note:
1) Codeine didn't exist when that rule was invented - it seems a bit harsh to judge
ill of the rule, when some scientist has just gone and made something up without
consulting an English teacher.
2) I'm pretty sure prescient doesn't count, as both vowels are sounded individually.
3) Not sure how seidel is pronounced, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
4) Leitmotiv is actually a German word and you got the "ei" in that one right (for once), so I wouldn't count it as a contradiction in English.
3) I didn't know Seidel, but according to a dictionary it's probably also derived from German.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.09.03 13:12:00 -
[54]
I want to mention that English is only my third language and so hasn't caught my attention as my native language nor my second choice.
There is also another problem that a large proportion of English is corrupted by American programs on TV making it even easier to make a common language mistake worse.
English and American have actually become two different languages with a common basics in the passt.
People who like to point out mistakes in English are often enough purists in English or American, and when all is said and done I can always say that my english / american is still better than their actual knowledge of my two main languages.
CCP keeps forgetting that english / american isn't the native language for a lot of people playing EVE and that in fact there are a lot of people playing MMO's which just love to game and chat in their own languages and if need be try to do as good as possible in a language they normally don't care for.
Example: Most english spoken movies get dubbed into german in germany. Do you really think they do that because people already know enough english?
Same happens in france, spain etc.
There are only a few rare occassions that a countries TV stations don't keep resorting to dubbing into their own language. i.e. Netherlands
So please stop worshipping the english language as an overall language and accept it's main use is in trades and negotiations. If the language were that valuable then governments would see to it that a larger chunk of movies weren't dubbed into french, german or swahili.
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Nex apparatu5
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Posted - 2011.09.03 13:59:00 -
[55]
I have no problem with those who speak English as a second or third language. If you already speak other languages, that's a fair enough excuse.
I have a problem with all the Americans who spek liek thizzz becuz ther ghetto or are just bad at spelling.
And to add to the easily confused words, like to, too, two, we had to learn one in school that always made me hate people.
Teach and learn. Apparently there are Americans who think that "He learned me math" is a proper sentence.
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Erinyes Nazgul
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Posted - 2011.09.03 15:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
I'd like the class to step back and observe the brilliance of this post. Subtle. Poignant. ...and funny as hell. 
That, friends, is a master at work. Take notes.
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electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.09.03 15:36:00 -
[57]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Harbinger Kyr
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Posted - 2011.09.03 15:44:00 -
[58]
Pronunciation only matters to the extent of understanding what a person is trying to convey. as long as you understand what the word is, it doesn't matter.
Sure, it's annoying, but srsly, you made a post about it on a gaming forum? the forum is about Eve, not people's inability to give a rat's ass as to whether or not they can speak correctly. Internet.
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inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
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Posted - 2011.09.03 22:34:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Harbinger Kyr
Sure, it's annoying, but srsly, you made a post about it on a gaming forum? the forum is about Eve, not people's inability to give a rat's ass as to whether or not they can speak correctly. Internet.
This thread = Trolling at it's finest; two pages of it actually. And each and every post made me lol (well, those I actually read, not skimmed through).
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Ehranavaar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.03 22:59:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.
obviously not as it's grammar.
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.09.03 23:18:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Aessaya on 03/09/2011 23:25:05
Originally by: ShahFluffers
I generally let some spelling/grammar mistakes slide here and there (mostly because I'm notorious for making "typos")... so long as the writing overall is clear.
That said... the misuse of the following two words "slightly" irritates me:
affect - effect
Well, frankly, i get annoyed most by people who can't properly use your-you're and their-they're-there. It just makes me want to go bash their head against the wall (or any other hard surface for that instance). English is, as a matter of fact, my third language. But even i don't make such stupid mistakes...
And typos ftw, they sometimes result in funny twists on known words.
Ninja edit: also "ghetto talk" needs to be dealt with - even text like this is much more easier to read than some of the "proper english person's" writings in the likes of facebook:
Quote:
I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too.
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!
Originally by: Inigo Montoya
Prepare to die.
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