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Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2005.03.04 15:26:00 - [1] Well its been awhile since i flew the beast into PVP and am wondering what the current fleet set-ups for the thing are? Id imagine something like a Pulse set-up and a Tach set-up would be about right.
Lallante	Posted - 2005.03.04 15:28:00 - [2] Tachyon IIs, a defender launcher, a Nos (or cruise launcher) 4 Heat sink IIs 1 Tracking II, 1 RC II, 1 cap relay. 2 Tracking IIs, 2 Sensor IIs Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
TEH FL4ME	Posted - 2005.03.04 15:43:00 - [3] Originally by: Lallante Tachyon IIs, a defender launcher, a Nos (or cruise launcher) 4 Heat sink IIs 1 Tracking II, 1 RC II, 1 cap relay. 2 Tracking IIs, 2 Sensor IIs Fleet-gank-tastic
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2005.03.04 15:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Lallante Tachyon IIs, a defender launcher, a Nos (or cruise launcher) 4 Heat sink IIs 1 Tracking II, 1 RC II, 1 cap relay. 2 Tracking IIs, 2 Sensor IIs how many tachs can you manage to get on there with that set-up? O_o 24 mil SPs here and not sure myself.... though i do think my 5% range bonus implant will come in handy.
Grut	Posted - 2005.03.04 15:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Xavier Cardde Originally by: Lallante Tachyon IIs, a defender launcher, a Nos (or cruise launcher) 4 Heat sink IIs 1 Tracking II, 1 RC II, 1 cap relay. 2 Tracking IIs, 2 Sensor IIs how many tachs can you manage to get on there with that set-up? O_o 24 mil SPs here and not sure myself.... though i do think my 5% range bonus implant will come in handy. You can fit 7 tachs or 8 megabeams, the beams have better tracking, less cap use and a larger dot, the tachs have higher 1 salvo gankability & greater range. Tachs also leave you a high slot to fill with something usefull/amusing gangmates will lub you loads if you have a remote armour repair. You can load 8 tachs but it nerfs your lows alot so isnt really viable. As for low slots, Lattante's is just about optimal you can fiddle with the number of tracking thingies/dmg mods though. Mostly harmless
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.03.04 15:56:00 - [6] You cant fit 7 tachs and you cant fit 8 megabeams. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Grut	Posted - 2005.03.04 16:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Elve Sorrow You cant fit 7 tachs and you cant fit 8 megabeams. Yes you right, because an apoc wit rc2 has 28k of grid, rc2 + pdu2 (then you dont need the cpr to power stuf) and its 29432 7 tachs take 26250 t2, 28875 8 mega beams 26000 t2, 28600 OMG THE MATHS IT BURNS Mostly harmless
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.03.04 16:14:00 - [8] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 04/03/2005 16:18:35 Where did anyone say RCUs. You cannot fit 7 Tachyons or 8 Megabeams without one. EDIT: Just coz you seem fond of maths: 19.500 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 28.031,25 grid Goodluck fitting 7 TechII Tachyons with that. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Lameth	Posted - 2005.03.04 18:01:00 - [9] Great jobb Elve, tech the savages that an Apoc can't fit everything without using rcu's, and that the Armag only has "7" Turret slots not 8. On the topic I find the Apoc to be lacking something horrible in straight up PvP. Aka 1on1 at Gate ranges. With the tank setup that basically is a must on the thing you loose alot of ground. You can't set the range, can't take on smaller stuff (up close cruisers) and you will be happy to win a fight 1on1, not counting on your enemy being dumb. Only a handfull are. I have the skillz to use an Apoc (everything at 5 except Pulse spec 5) and I know that other bs's set up good will own it. Only ship I will win against is a Armag, (assuming an equally skilled pilot is flying the other ship) I'll give examples to set the scenes; Domi VS Apoc A Domi with cap suckers and ful armor tank, coupled with light EW. Webber scrambler dampeners. Rock paper scissors: If I have a SB I win, if not, then im dead. Megathron VS Apoc This is your hardest opponent. He WILL get close, unless you go for a ganka setup on the Apoc, he won't be shot down by the time he get's in close on your a** and welds his ship to your front armor. And at that point it is too late. Dead. You won't hit, track or even have a chance of tanking it. Raven VS Apoc Raven set up to kill. ie Torps and skills. WILL get in close where I can't hit him, then torps WILL break an apoc tank, unless the Raven pilot didn't bring diffrent sorts of Torps. Slim chance of winning here, unless he didn't bring an Ab or Mwd. Or I brought one, and in that case the Always equipped webber on the raven of doom WILL hold me close, and kill me off. Tempest/Typhoon VS Apoc These ships have the slot layout to do basicly anything. I've fought Vamp Typhoons and Long Range Tempests, to Torp o' Death Phoon, and Close up Tempests with Daaaamage Mods. You win some you loose some against these beasts. --------------------------------------------- Assuming you use a Pulse setup with warp scrambler and TAnk, this is what ussually happens. Sure you can tank, and not all setups will break your tank, but assuming you fight 15mill Skillpoibt Chracters, they will. In my eyes the Apoc sucks for 1on1. Exells at fleet battles, and alot of other areas, like mining HUNTING, and such. These are some of the reasons all the PvE ppl use Armags in combat.Some do it to gank fast with low cash input All IMHO naturally. "reallife.dll not found" http://www.killboard.net/signature/<Lameth>.jpg
Grut	Posted - 2005.03.05 19:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 04/03/2005 16:18:35 Where did anyone say RCUs. You cannot fit 7 Tachyons or 8 Megabeams without one. EDIT: Just coz you seem fond of maths: 19.500 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 28.031,25 grid Goodluck fitting 7 TechII Tachyons with that. Did you read my post? rc2 + pdu lets you fit 7 t2 tachs and if read Lallante's youd have seen the setup i was on about had an rc fitted :P Mostly harmless
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.03.05 19:42:00 - [11] It did not have the PDU II. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Xarvos	Posted - 2005.03.05 20:05:00 - [12] For pvp High: 4 megapulse2s 2 Malkuth Sieges 2 Named Hvy Nos Mid: 1 named cap booster with 800 charges 1 7.5 km scrambler (named one) 2 cap recharger2s Low: 2 L acom reps 5 hardeners (2kinetic 1 exp 2thermal) those hardeners are true sansha and they use a lot less cpu than normal hardenersà --------------------------------------------- Let's have some fun shall we ?
Noriath	Posted - 2005.03.05 21:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Lameth Megathron VS Apoc This is your hardest opponent. He WILL get close, unless you go for a ganka setup on the Apoc, he won't be shot down by the time he get's in close on your a** and welds his ship to your front armor. And at that point it is too late. Dead. You won't hit, track or even have a chance of tanking it. That's weapons grade Bolognium, a Megathron will most likely run out of cap before you die in a fully tanked Apoc...
Lallante	Posted - 2005.03.05 21:55:00 - [14] Do not Tank any ship except assualts. 7 Tachyon IIs cant be done because of CPU not PG limits (you need the CPU for everything else Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Sally	Posted - 2005.03.05 22:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Lameth In my eyes the Apoc sucks for 1on1. Exells at fleet battles, and alot of other areas, like mining HUNTING, and such. These are some of the reasons all the PvE ppl use Armags in combat.Some do it to gank fast with low cash input All IMHO naturally. Heh. Of course, thats not true. Any setup you can think of will work better on Apoc than on any other ship. You want megathron-like setup? Easy. 8 megapulse, mwd + web. You win. You want dominix vamp-like setup? Easy. 6 Nos, 2 Neutralizers, 3 large repers, you win. You wants tempest like sniper setup? Megabeams hit hard, and have very good tracking. You can even tank with that. You wants gankapoc? Its not any worse than gankageddon, and have more hp. 8th slot make up for lacked rof bonus. So whats the problem? -- Stories: #1 --
Beringe	Posted - 2005.03.05 22:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Sally Heh. Of course, thats not true. Any setup you can think of will work better on Apoc than on any other ship. Except for EW, I agree. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Sally	Posted - 2005.03.05 23:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Sally Heh. Of course, thats not true. Any setup you can think of will work better on Apoc than on any other ship. Except for EW, I agree. Except for very special case of EW. You can still fit 4 multi jammers and your useall ganking megapulse setup at same time. -- Stories: #1 --
Meridius	Posted - 2005.03.05 23:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Sally Originally by: Lameth In my eyes the Apoc sucks for 1on1. Exells at fleet battles, and alot of other areas, like mining HUNTING, and such. These are some of the reasons all the PvE ppl use Armags in combat.Some do it to gank fast with low cash input All IMHO naturally. Heh. Of course, thats not true. Any setup you can think of will work better on Apoc than on any other ship. You want megathron-like setup? Easy. 8 megapulse, mwd + web. You win. You want dominix vamp-like setup? Easy. 6 Nos, 2 Neutralizers, 3 large repers, you win. You wants tempest like sniper setup? Megabeams hit hard, and have very good tracking. You can even tank with that. You wants gankapoc? Its not any worse than gankageddon, and have more hp. 8th slot make up for lacked rof bonus. So whats the problem? 8th turret with one less lowslot does not make up for the 25% rof bonus a geddon can get. ________________________________________________________
SLIM	Posted - 2005.03.06 02:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Sally You wants gankapoc? Its not any worse than gankageddon, and have more hp. 8th slot make up for lacked rof bonus. Well, the 14% bonus of the 8th turret doesn't exactly make up for the 33% bonus that the geddon gets (.75 inverted to show dmg). That being said, it does have an extra mid which is great for stuffing in something handy like another sensor booster II. That and the extra CPU. Plus the 8th turret does help with initial damage output. So, I dispute your reasoning, but agree the apoc is as good as the arma at being a gankship. ---------------------------
Stetu	Posted - 2005.03.06 02:17:00 - [20] Don't forget to log off if you're getting shot. ----------------------
Lorth	Posted - 2005.03.06 03:19:00 - [21] The apoc is great at solo pvp. As are any other ships assuming the pilot knows what he's doing. I havn't tested the changes to the pulse to be honest, so I can't tell you how they are affected. Though, I can tell you I'v fought against ships which had pulse fitted and they seemed to be at least my equal.
Sally	Posted - 2005.03.06 12:44:00 - [22] Edited by: Sally on 06/03/2005 12:48:17 Originally by: Lorth The apoc is great at solo pvp. As are any other ships assuming the pilot knows what he's doing. I havn't tested the changes to the pulse to be honest, so I can't tell you how they are affected. Though, I can tell you I'v fought against ships which had pulse fitted and they seemed to be at least my equal. Nothing changed. With MF you still have 12 km optimal, with gamma - 15. So you can sit at gate just as good as before doing the very same damage. You can still break anyone tank at 35km, and further than this disruptors dont work even with new EW change anyway. And btw, that 25% rof bonus only for Lvl 5 BS skill. How many ppls have that? Lvl 3 or 4 is more common. Whereas 8th slot dont depend on skill... -- Stories: #1 --
Maasu	Posted - 2005.03.06 16:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Lallante Tachyon IIs, a defender launcher, a Nos (or cruise launcher) 4 Heat sink IIs 1 Tracking II, 1 RC II, 1 cap relay. 2 Tracking IIs, 2 Sensor IIs i'm still trying to get you're 3x large armour rep and 2x cab booster poc to work ATUK, The Forlorn Hope of Corps.

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