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Herr Hammer Draken
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Posted - 2012.10.01 09:52:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
What risk does the miner take in selling the killright? The ganker has the risk of being shot by the person who they ganked. The fact that people are too lazy to use those killrights is their choice.
Except that this risk is very manageable by the ganker. Check the age of the miner pilot. If he is young and flying a maxed out mining ship it is very unlikely that he will be able to exercise those kill rights to any degree that would make the ganker think twice. IE. A low skilled pilot with all his current skills in mining. This is what many players in eve do to get started in the game.
Yes they do work on PvP skills after they max out mining but it takes time. And that is a knowable resource that gankers use to their advantage. Being able to sell those kill rights gets around that built in obvious limit. Spreads the risk out a bit more and makes the young miner pilot less of a sitting duck than he is now.
At the moment the ganker that targets these young miners is taking little or no risk in doing so. And they have an endless supply of new miner pilots entering eve every day. Thus assurance of a way of life. The ganker can limit his risk very well doing this.
Herr Hammer Draken
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:22:00 -
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Ocih wrote:I read this again and if I am reading it right what they are saying is, you can't bounty certain people in the current system. That will change with the new one. Rather than me needing to reach a certain sec status to bounty, if I come in to a belt with a Bestower and steal your stuffs, you can now bounty me even if I have a 5.00 sec rating. Even go so far as to bounty me so I can't fly Bestowers, make it as small as 5K and that means I am fair game for the bounty hunter when I am in a Bestower but I still need to instigate a criminal act to have a bounty put on me.
So a theoretical scenario, I steal from you, you bounty me, the bounty Hunter blows up my ship, steals from my wreck, I bounty him and you kill the bounty hunter you hired with my bounty.
/head explodes
I like esplody stuff!
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:17:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm sorry Pipa, but you really are arguing the wrong corner here.
If gankers and pirates are worried about being attacked in hi-sec due to transferrable killrights then they should follow the same advice that is offered to potential suicide gank victims: fly cheap ships, situational awareness, bring friends, avoid danger spots, don't go AFK. If they're not alerted to the sale of their killright, what amount of situational awareness will help? As CONCORD won't be getting involved, there's no set of ships that would be commonly used. What can friends do? Unlike the victims of suicide ganks, their friends can't do anything without being CONCORDed. What danger spots? Locator agents, mean that that's anywhere. What risk does the miner take in selling their killright? They don't have to put any effort or money into it. What risk does the buyer take? They're not going to lose their ship, so they have no need to worry about profitability, and they can back out up until the instant they point their target.
I do agree that everyone needs to know who owns your kill right. The game should notify you when a kill right is transfered to a new owner.
Herr Hammer Draken
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm sorry Pipa, but you really are arguing the wrong corner here.
If gankers and pirates are worried about being attacked in hi-sec due to transferrable killrights then they should follow the same advice that is offered to potential suicide gank victims: fly cheap ships, situational awareness, bring friends, avoid danger spots, don't go AFK. If they're not alerted to the sale of their killright, what amount of situational awareness will help? As CONCORD won't be getting involved, there's no set of ships that would be commonly used. What can friends do? Unlike the victims of suicide ganks, their friends can't do anything without being CONCORDed. What danger spots? Locator agents, mean that that's anywhere. What risk does the miner take in selling their killright? They don't have to put any effort or money into it. What risk does the buyer take? They're not going to lose their ship, so they have no need to worry about profitability, and they can back out up until the instant they point their target. I do agree that everyone needs to know who owns your kill right. The game should notify you when a kill right is transfered to a new owner. Should "the game" notify you when there are 12 guys in gank-fit tornados on the other side of a gate, or 4 dudes in catalysts warping to your belt?
In meaningful ways this info is knowable and discernable in game already. But what if one of those 4 dudes in a cat owns kill rights on another of those dudes in that same cat group? That is unknowable. Even if you have a scout. I understand where you are coming from and you want to shift the problem the other way as some sort of revenge. That is not the right thing to do however.
Again a scout can tell you when this gate camp is set up. A scout can tell you when 4 cats in gank fit come through the gate into a system. But a scout can not tell you when someone else owns your kill rights. That is unknowable at any level in game.
And it should be at some level discernable at the very least.
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:50:00 -
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I just had some odd thoughts kinda bored. It could be cool if these kill rights were an item like a data chip that exsisted in dust.
A black market run in dust, the buyers would be eve players but the actual data chip would move through dust from seller to buyer and possibly intercepted enroute. Recovered perhaps (by a contract from the ganker pilot who the kill rights are for) as he hires a dust player to recover the data chip for him. So you could maybe get your own kill rights back.
Money flows to and from eve and dust. Gives missions in dust a connection and a reason why they do what they do to eve.
A whole lot more would need to be done to flesh this all out this is just a rough draft.
Dust has to stand up first. Obviously. Maybe more things can be found to trade on a black market like this through dust?
Could be fun?!
Then maybe even a tracker (dust player) could be hired to find out who bought your kill rights (data chip) and this is how you would find out who owns your kill rights? Maybe I am giving dust more credit than what that game is designed to do? I do not know the limits of dust.
Connections like this would be interesting between dust and eve I think if it is possible?
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.03 05:34:00 -
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It would be my guess because of the way kill rights work right now in code that the transfer and notification of the transfer of those kill rights would be easy to code into the game. Most likely scenario. Or some form of notification maybe a bit more involved. CCP could do a lot with this a mini game almost if they wanted.
But to add in a bit to allow the ganker to shoot back first without a concord action would not code well as you currently can not do that to a kill right holder. So that is asking for the moon I believe. I mean you can and always should ask for the moon then be happy with what you get, which if anything, it will be some form of the former in my opinion.
Still even the knowing at least of who is gunning for you is something and as soon as he fires you can then fire back. So it is not surprise in your face. Or it would be on the same level as the original gank was.
Herr Hammer Draken
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