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Sharp Blue	Posted - 2005.03.14 14:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Sharp Blue on 14/03/2005 14:21:09 How about being able to access and change skills training from the web site? Useful for when on holiday/at work etc.. Thoughts anyone?
Ralitge boyter	Posted - 2005.03.14 14:39:00 - [2] So you will never have to play the game and you can train chars to lets say 20Mil skill points and then sell them on eBay for $$$$. Been sugested before awnser is and most likely always will be NO. You play eve with the client not with a web interface.
Hella May	Posted - 2005.03.14 15:14:00 - [3] Lol If some one wanted to make a character and sell it on ebay they could still use the client a web login wouldnt not change any thing. If they started training for 20m skill points now it would not be worth it any way... a large percentage of eve are nearly there. 18 months to get to 20m sp * ú8 p/m = ú144 in cost any way so whats the point? The log in would be useful for people like me at work who cant have a client installed on the works laptop
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.03.14 16:28:00 - [4] The reason it hasn't (and never will be) implemented is because CCP want you to play the game. yes, it would be handy for when you go on holidays, but, just set a long skill training. ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI I have a blog
piercer	Posted - 2005.03.14 19:16:00 - [5] It would be nice but wont happen.... my computers out of action but lukily we have 2 but now thats out of action while we replace it with a new one So yeah it would be nice, maybe have one where you could only change 1 skill per 2-4 weeks per account. ---------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Bunny had an accident. Bunny lost his head.
Desirre	Posted - 2005.03.14 20:23:00 - [6] They could at least allow us to stack 2 or 3 training skills.
KingsGambit	Posted - 2005.03.14 21:16:00 - [7] Edited by: KingsGambit on 14/03/2005 21:27:02 While I don't think a web based skill change will ever happen, and agree that it it would be a bad idea if it did, I would like to see a single concession to skill training, where a single skill can be queued to begin after the current on finishes. That's it. Just something to allow better time management and less wastage. At the moment, it is very upsetting that RL commitments can prevent a player logging on the second a skill finishes, resulting in hours or more wasted. Everyone has a real life, and plays eve because they enjoy it and the people, and worrying about lost skill time should not happen. Allowing a single skill to be queued would allow you to sleep a whole night without fear of oversleeping, or setting the alarm clock or whatever it is people do, and allow people to actually gasp go out, be with their family, go on holiday and what not with much less fear of pointless no skill training when they get back. Anyway, here's a possible solution if you have net access wherever you are, but no Eve client. If you have an umetered/broadband connection you could try something like the following: - Visit No-IP to get a subdomain which updates to your dynamic IP address...ignore if you have static address or the Eve client is on a business network. (you'll know if your IP address is static, so if you don't know or aren't sure, it's dynamic). - Get a proggy like Symantec's 'pc Anywhere' or 'Laplink Pro' - Use web browser from anywhere in the world to log into your pc and control it remotely (within boundaries you set (eg no deleting of files, access to <gamedirs> only, etc). Providing the machine is online, and you have configured the prog and any firewalls correctly, you can use a username/pass you choose to log in and start your Eve client via a browser window. If you have your eve client on a work computer and wish to log in from home, depending on how secure the network is, just make sure you leave the monitor turned off when you go home, so you don't frighten the poor night-shift cleaning staff when they see a PC control itself! It's not a great solution, and could be a bit complicated to get working, not to mention a little...lot laggy and slow, but it can work well enough to pay a bill, or change a skill over. Another tip for if you go away...if you have a USB hard drive/flash drive/mp3 player type of device, you could take that with you and if you visit a friend or relative with a PC which has both a USB and Net connection (might also be possible at a Net cafÚ, though they're less likely to let you run executable files from a portable hdd), just hook up your gizmo and voilÓ, instant eve client. I plan on taking my Iriver H340 to NYC with me in about a month's time to stay with sis & brother-in-law...they don't know my plans though, so keep it hush hush. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
ZATZAi	Posted - 2005.03.15 04:51:00 - [8] I've tried accessing EVE remotely, but it doesn't seem to work if you have EVE set to full screen mode FYI. I haven't actually tried it in windowed mode just yet... AA-DA Corporate Site - EVE Humor On ZATZAi.NET Galleries
Sissi	Posted - 2005.03.15 07:17:00 - [9] Remote access wont work. At least on few programs wich I have tested. Usually it is because different video setting. So it MAY work between two similar C.
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.03.15 08:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Desirre They could at least allow us to stack 2 or 3 training skills. I disagree. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.03.15 09:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Omber Zombie The reason it hasn't (and never will be) implemented is because CCP want you to play the game. Gah! For the last godamn time, since when do you need to play the game to change a skill!? You just log in, press 3 buttons then log out! ---------------- Haha, stupid monkey! Now I'VE got the Oscar! Enjoy your worthless gun!
Macdeth	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Macdeth on 15/03/2005 10:17:17 As we all know, the 'skill queue' idea has been beaten to death and won't happen. If a web interface allowing skill changes existed, a third party program that allowed you to make a queue of skills internally and then connected to the website to advance the skills automatically would appear within days. That kind of thing is very simple to program, and therefore this will never appear. Things like the 'type these barely legible characters from the following image into the textbox' would just result in a pointless arms race between website maintainers and suitably skilled third party programmers. (And by the way, I've used VNC succesfully in windowed mode, over a fast link for remote access.)
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: Omber Zombie The reason it hasn't (and never will be) implemented is because CCP want you to play the game. Gah! For the last godamn time, since when do you need to play the game to change a skill!? You just log in, press 3 buttons then log out! gah, read the rest of my post. I am not CCP (you could pay me if you want to). I'm just pointing out their reasons for it. ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI I have a blog
Goofman	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:50:00 - [14] i dunno where your problem is. When i know that i wont be on when a skill finishes, then i just switch to another skill that requires more time and log off! So go ahead and play da game! PS: And i know i'll somedays finish BS lvl5... Goofman
Torne	Posted - 2005.03.15 13:46:00 - [15] VNC does indeed work ok for accessing EVE remotely, in windowed mode. I use TightVNC as it has higher compression rates than the stock protocol; I have managed (with severe delays) to change my skill over a 56k modem connection - it took upwards of 60 seconds per screen redraw, but I managed it ;)
Uther Doull	Posted - 2005.03.15 15:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Sissi Remote access wont work. At least on few programs wich I have tested. Usually it is because different video setting. So it MAY work between two similar C. i do this using Remote Administrator (www.radmin.com) and eve in windowed mode, works like a charm, although it's damn slow (must be all those graphics) i just love this program, you can have full control over your pc from anywhere, provided you have set it up correctly with any firewalls etc. i have even mannaged to strip the client to just the exe and 2 dll's so you don't even need to install a client! you can use it from just about any pc where you can dl a small zip from your own webspace and if it allows you to run the exe, it will work
KingsGambit	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Uther Doull i have even mannaged to strip the client to just the exe and 2 dll's so you don't even need to install a client! you can use it from just about any pc where you can dl a small zip from your own webspace and if it allows you to run the exe, it will work Any chance of attaching it to an Email or some web linkage? ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
Edoo	Posted - 2005.03.16 09:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Sharp Blue Edited by: Sharp Blue on 14/03/2005 14:21:09 How about being able to access and change skills training from the web site? Useful for when on holiday/at work etc.. Thoughts anyone? I am only able to play weekends so YES PLEASE!
Sharp Blue	Posted - 2005.03.16 11:35:00 - [19] Well, thanks for the replies... Having thought about the argument re "ccp want u to play the game" then why give you access to your character on the web at all? It's the same format as ingame anyway, so why not let us change skills? Surley it will encourage more people to continue to subscribe each month, esp in the early days when you are changing every few hours/days. If some individuals set up programs to do this for them, so what? I think anything that will maintain income for ccp to develop the game is good. At the end of the day, it will make the game better for us regulars via the Devs. So there. (flame away and don't call me shirley)
Crazy Squirrel	Posted - 2005.03.16 19:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Crazy Squirrel on 16/03/2005 19:25:03 Indeed, as sharp blue says why give access to character info on the web at all. All it does is give you a progress update on your skill training. Useless if u've got an eve client as you can just use that and be able to change skill. Useless if u've not got the eve client where you are as you can't do anything with it! True you can use the data with programs like Character Manager, but then just provide the xml and remove the page that taunts me sayign my skill training is complete. I'm away from my computer for periods of 20 hours (i.e. sleep+work) (minimum) during the week. I have maybe 4-5hrs in the evening maximum. Most of the skills I want to train are currently 16-18hrs. That means get lots of new skills quickly and waste 2 or so hours per day, or leave long skills (of which i dont have any exciting ones atm) over the 20hr period and then break the 18hr ones down over a week of evenings. Which means less new skill advancement and lots of remembering to set skill training right. As for it being easy for a program to be produced to queue skills, if a website edit was released, that is true. However it isn't hard to do the same now interfacing with the eve client, against the eula (i think) but the chances of something like that being spotted imo would minimal (not that i'm condoning it) and it wouldn't suprise me if some people had such a setup. _______________________________________________ CCP fix an amazing 9.09% of the bugs I report!! Find Out More
Sybylle	Posted - 2005.03.17 08:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Sissi Remote access wont work. At least on few programs wich I have tested. Usually it is because different video setting. So it MAY work between two similar C. Just set your home computer's video settings to something lower before connecting, or use the built-in desktop color depth reduction included in the Remote Access Program settings (I use VNC personnally). As long as you stay in station, it works nicely. Then refresh rate issues might occur (you can anyway force to refresh the screen through hotkeys/options). Don't ever try to undock and fight or mine this way, especially alone ^^! (\_/) (O.o) (> <)=Oveur (proof) "Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period"
Cabaal2004	Posted - 2005.03.17 10:20:00 - [22] I think that it would be a good idea to allow for web based skill change and that it would also be nice to allow for skill stacking. Quote me on that as many times as you like i still think its a good idea! Oh yeah, one person said that you could sell charecters on ebay if you did allow for web based skill change or stacking however it would make little difference. You can only train on one charecter at a time and personally i wouldn't think that it would make any difference. I PITTY THE FOOL! THATS MY VAN SUCKA! QUIT YOUR JIBBA JABBA! DONT MAKE ME ANGRY UUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!! CEO Cabaal2004 - Universal Trading Corporation
Anymal	Posted - 2005.03.17 14:41:00 - [23] Edited by: Anymal on 17/03/2005 15:15:35 I do not agree with any of the reasons said here not to let skill switcing from web. I work behind a firewall, here eve client doesn't work. Here I'm working so I can't say "hey open me a port so I can play eve". Here I can't even install eve client because it is not in the list of the company allowed software. So during the week I have to manage skill training just to have the end of train outside workhours so I can switch it from home. If someone make a software to autoswitch skills where is the problem? even now you can find Cheracters on Ebay! I surely do not do the remote switch using my home pc because, If I go out for holydays I do not want to leave an electrical device switched on in my house where there is nobody controlling. This will never happen. Anyway everyone own his business so if I'll be out for a month and I can't play Eve and at least switch my skill in training, simply I'll suspend my account and I'll do not pay for that useless month .... business is business and I do mine too. Ciao to you all
Donna Darko	Posted - 2005.03.17 17:37:00 - [24] I would love a skill queue editor. I work often in tight security environments, where I can not install software, not go through whatever ports I want, have limited (IF ANY!) Internet connectivity and a lot of times I am under surveilance (screen or cameras). I also travel a lot and sometimes I need to leave "tomorrow morning". I have usually about 4-7 hours free to do as I please, play games, etc. and I just started the game. I plan to learn all skills from the Learning category before I try anything else. This will take me 6 months. If I had to leave this morning for 15 days, and forgotten to change the skill last night, I would waste 15 days (possibly more if I didn't come back in 15 days) since my skill finished 5 minutes ago. Any online game has its share of "ebayers". If you're jealous about those selling, you can do the same. If you're jealous about those buying... damn, that's just sad. Life's like that, some have the money but not the time, you have the time but not the money. I'm jealous of you who have the time. I asked CCP to take away 6 months from the 1 year pre-paid account I got and "train" me all the attributes... they refused saying it's unfair to other players. I sincerely fail to see in what way this is unfair to anyone, but any discussion would be as futile as trying to explain Toshiba's customer support that they cannot help me and only a tier 3 support might. If I paid and played 6 months and trained the attributes, or if I paid 6 months and had the attributes trained to level 5, what would be the difference? Does anyone believe sincerely that I am PLAYING now? Passed the first month when I will log in to try to do whatever, I will probably be on less and less until September, when my attributes finish. Will anyone feel better about this? Less cheated? I could have bought a character on ebay, but I preffered my own design, my own name and my own "reputation". And this would have been safer for me as well. (Just for the record, I would be against training any other skill for money.)
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.03.17 18:56:00 - [25] If your employer has blocked the ports that EVE uses, he obviously does not want you to play games at work. If your employer hasn't added the EVE client to the company's allowed software list, he obviously does not want you to play games at work. If your employer uses a firewall to deny you access to the EVE-online website, he obviously does not want you to check the EVE-online website. There is one way that is (in my opinion) more than sufficient to work around this: set a long skill training. If you aren't sure whether or not you will be on the next day, set a longer skill training. If you will be going on a work trip for two weeks, find a skill that takes two weeks to learn. You are asking CCP to fix your problem of not being able to access EVE due to work or whatever :)
Anymal	Posted - 2005.03.18 10:53:00 - [26] quote You are asking CCP to fix your problem of not being able to access EVE due to work or whatever :) In reality we are asking ccp to avoid to loose customers or temporary suspensions due to forced inactivity. As I told before if I can't "play" ie be online or training I will suspend and do not pay for that period.
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.03.18 15:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Anymal In reality we are asking ccp to avoid to loose customers or temporary suspensions due to forced inactivity. As I told before if I can't "play" ie be online or training I will suspend and do not pay for that period. Lose customers? :) It's basically a simple win/win situation. If you temporarily suspend your account, you will not pay for it. This is good, because you won't lose money to something you can't even play. If you turn on your battleship skill to level 5 (or whatever skill that takes a ridiculous amount of time to learn) before you suspend your account, it will continue on training (I confirmed this with a GM), this is also good. CCP will have less server load because of you not being on the servers, which is good for CCP and the EVE citizens.
Question2	Posted - 2005.03.19 05:04:00 - [28] I brought this up a while ago.A bunch of paranoid jokers insisted that people would get rich by using macros to change skills online and sell on e-bay,missing the following factors : -It is pathetically easy to do something to prevent macros from working on the char skill change area on the site.Try signing up for a yahoo email.Get it? -Anyone who does that will be banned.Lovely way to earn money.Put investment,get banned,lose investment. -Anyone who gets an "uber" char without ever loging in and just skill training will have NO faction/corp standing,NO isk,NO mods,NO ships,NO contacts,NO corp friends,etc,etc.You can just login and train skills without ever playing the game RIGHT NOW.....but CCP isnt worried about that,because if you do that,you have a pretty worthless char in a noob frigate. Im "sure" that a LOT of people will quit playing eve and just use the web to change skills,thus making their characters stagnate at their current ISK level,getting kicked from their corp for doing jack ****,and staying at the same level 2 6 months later with a char that can fly HACs with T2 guns. /me snorts sprite out of nose.
Uther Doull	Posted - 2005.03.19 10:59:00 - [29] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: Uther Doull i have even mannaged to strip the client to just the exe and 2 dll's so you don't even need to install a client! you can use it from just about any pc where you can dl a small zip from your own webspace and if it allows you to run the exe, it will work Any chance of attaching it to an Email or some web linkage? the stripped client here you will need to install the full program on the remote computer (server part of the program) wich is availabe as trial from www.radmin.com

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