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Mrs Liverlips
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:25:00 -
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Could it make it so I couldn't dock in NPC stations? Looks like if I kill people in NPC corps it will lower my standing with their corp but that is a very small disadvantage correct?
Thanks for any insights.
Lips |

dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
99
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:29:00 -
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err... security status drops? |

Mrs Liverlips
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:32:00 -
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Ok thanks, I will read up on what that is. |

dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
99
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:37:00 -
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TheOrangeGuy/Beginners_Guide_to_Piracy_2.1.pdf
see page 26 for sec status mechanics, quite a handy document i must add. |

Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
45
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:58:00 -
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Mrs Liverlips wrote:Could it make it so I couldn't dock in NPC stations? Looks like if I kill people in NPC corps it will lower my standing with their corp but that is a very small disadvantage correct?
Thanks for any insights.
Lips
First of all podding people and collecting their corpses is much fun, but the fastest way to become flashy outlaw.
Yes, killing people from NPC corps will reduce your standings to that NPC corp. No, you still will be able to dock at their stations, stations guns wont shoot unless GCC. So, basicly you wont be able to do missions to some NPC corps your standing is bad.
And yeah being -10 to most NCP corps in area is funny. I'm -10 to all NPC corps in Minmatar area and still able to fly and dock freely. Its OK unless you have plans of becoming a carebear once more, which i don't.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1002
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Posted - 2012.10.07 23:20:00 -
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The downside is that you get called a sociopath by well-adjusted, contributing members of society, and then CCP continuously nerfs your playing style. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
616
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Posted - 2012.10.07 23:40:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:The downside is that you get called a sociopath by well-adjusted, contributing members of society, and then CCP continuously nerfs your playing style. Think someone needs a hug. Post with your monkey.
CCP Gargant: Thread locked due to lack of pants. |

Mrs Liverlips
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.08 00:39:00 -
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Interesting. Surprisingly, there seems to be little consequence for pirating. Thank you everyone!
Lips |

Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
45
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Posted - 2012.10.08 07:11:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:The downside is that you get called a sociopath by well-adjusted, contributing members of society, and then CCP continuously nerfs your playing style.
All that CCP nerfs so far is hisec griefing. Which is no Piracy at all. Sure we suffer too due to mining barges change, but to be hornest a ship that costs 250m ISK shouldn't die to a single Thorax no matter what.
Pirate's biggest advantage is our ability to adapt quickly. No matter what CCP do we will always find a way to play our style. Yes some of us are sociopaths, but tell me that popping 500m ISK worth capsule and collecting a floating corpse to do funny things with later doesn't bring a smile on your face! |

Alice Saki
9185
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Posted - 2012.10.08 09:26:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:
All that CCP nerfs so far is hisec griefing. Which is no Piracy at all. Sure we suffer too due to mining barges change, but to be hornest a ship that costs 250m ISK shouldn't die to a single Thorax no matter what.
Wrong, a Pvp Ship Vs a Mining Ship Should no effect on cost. Ones For Killing stuff the others For Killing Rocks. Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Triple Entendre
Emergence Incorporated
2
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Posted - 2012.10.08 10:08:00 -
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The biggest consequence that I've found is that I usually tend to run into the victim's friends about six seconds later. And they always have a bloody Arazu or six.
God, I hate those things. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
128
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Posted - 2012.10.08 18:39:00 -
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The biggest consequence with killing people in low sec is drowning in their tears from their keyboard rage pounding in local. Its a delicious way to die. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
20
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:55:00 -
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The downside? You might get a junk bounty rather than a nice one. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2632
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:57:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:The downside? You might get a junk bounty rather than a nice one.
Sucks when all they had fitted is T1 crap that's not even meta 3  "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
357
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Posted - 2012.10.08 20:44:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:The downside is that you get called a sociopath by well-adjusted, contributing members of society, and then CCP continuously nerfs your playing style. All that CCP nerfs so far is hisec griefing. Which is no Piracy at all. Sure we suffer too due to mining barges change, but to be hornest a ship that costs 250m ISK shouldn't die to a single Thorax no matter what. Pirate's biggest advantage is our ability to adapt quickly. No matter what CCP do we will always find a way to play our style. Yes some of us are sociopaths, but tell me that popping 500m ISK worth capsule and collecting a floating corpse to do funny things with later doesn't bring a smile on your face!
Oh, for ****'s sakes, another one...
Actually, by the classic definition of piracy, hisec "griefing" is very much piracy. (Well, you can't directly hijack someone else's ship yet, but check some of the exploits of Paul Clavet among others. There are ways, in a manner of speaking at least . Or at least, there were ways. RIP, ninja-salvaging, you served well and with unswerving "honour." )
Is EVE to remain a sandbox, or not?
Which is it, because you can't have both:
"You can free-PvP there, but hard-coded mechanics/rules forbid free-PvP here" =/= sandbox, it is a core element of a themepark, however carefully disguised.
EVE, being the simplistic, ****-poorly coded, and increasingly clunky game that it is at its core, would make a rather lame themepark, and in any case there are many games that do that far better out there already. There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |

Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
41
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:09:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Xylorn Hasher wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:The downside is that you get called a sociopath by well-adjusted, contributing members of society, and then CCP continuously nerfs your playing style. All that CCP nerfs so far is hisec griefing. Which is no Piracy at all. Sure we suffer too due to mining barges change, but to be hornest a ship that costs 250m ISK shouldn't die to a single Thorax no matter what. Pirate's biggest advantage is our ability to adapt quickly. No matter what CCP do we will always find a way to play our style. Yes some of us are sociopaths, but tell me that popping 500m ISK worth capsule and collecting a floating corpse to do funny things with later doesn't bring a smile on your face! Oh, for ****'s sakes, another one...  Actually, by the classic definition of piracy, hisec "griefing" is very much piracy. (Well, you can't directly hijack someone else's ship yet, but check some of the exploits of Paul Clavet among others. There are ways, in a manner of speaking at least  . Or at least, there were ways. RIP, ninja-salvaging, you served well and with unswerving "honour."  ) Is EVE to remain a sandbox, or not? Which is it, because you can't have both: "You can free-PvP there, but hard-coded mechanics/rules forbid free-PvP here" =/= sandbox, it is a core element of a themepark, however carefully disguised. EVE, being the simplistic, ****-poorly coded, and increasingly clunky game that it is at its core, would make a rather lame themepark, and in any case there are many games that do that far better out there already.
LOL
The 'hard coding' does not stop you from ganking someone in HS......
It is still a sandbox. All the coding is doing is adding meaningfull consequences to your actions in a 'control''ed and patrolled' space.
eg. if you are out in the middle of nowhere in a war and shoot someone there probably won't even be a question asked (null sec). If you are 'in the hood' of a downtrodden city then questions will be asked and penalties will be applied if you are caught in the act but after a relatively short period of time no body bothers about it but you may start getting a reputation as being bad (sec drops). But if you pull out a gun and start shooting in a city center then you will likely be hunted down and penalised/shot (high sec)
get over it and stop crying. And yes i'm a privateer and enjoy a good gank from time to time.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |

Reppyk
The Black Shell
185
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:01:00 -
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Mrs Liverlips wrote:Could it make it so I couldn't dock in NPC stations? Looks like if I kill people in NPC corps it will lower my standing with their corp but that is a very small disadvantage correct? Pirates are 75% of the lowsec population (the others are 15% of FW alts without guns, 5% of cyno alts and 5% of lost carebears). |

Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:35:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Mrs Liverlips wrote:Could it make it so I couldn't dock in NPC stations? Looks like if I kill people in NPC corps it will lower my standing with their corp but that is a very small disadvantage correct? Pirates are 75% of the lowsec population (the others are 15% of FW alts without guns, 5% of cyno alts and 5% of lost carebears).
You forget people exploring, doing PI, transporting goods, traveling between systems, etc.
Actually pirates only make up 75% of the average low-sec system population when they are gate camping. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
156
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:38:00 -
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Ristlin Wakefield wrote:Reppyk wrote:Mrs Liverlips wrote:Could it make it so I couldn't dock in NPC stations? Looks like if I kill people in NPC corps it will lower my standing with their corp but that is a very small disadvantage correct? Pirates are 75% of the lowsec population (the others are 15% of FW alts without guns, 5% of cyno alts and 5% of lost carebears). You forget people exploring, doing PI, transporting goods, traveling between systems, etc. Actually pirates only make up 75% of the average low-sec system population when they are gate camping.
That is a filthy LIE. We have a lot of producers, Miners and pve players... ...right in front of the station...in a Secure Container...they like it there... |

Reppyk
The Black Shell
185
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:41:00 -
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Ristlin Wakefield wrote:You forget people exploring, doing PI, transporting goods, traveling between systems, etc.
Actually pirates only make up 75% of the average low-sec system population when they are gate camping. I should have said "living in lowsec", it's not "passing by".
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Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:59:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Ristlin Wakefield wrote:You forget people exploring, doing PI, transporting goods, traveling between systems, etc.
Actually pirates only make up 75% of the average low-sec system population when they are gate camping. I should have said "living in lowsec", it's not "passing by".
Ah, yes, then I agree. Though I would put the number up even higher. Lost bears don't really "live" in low-sec for long  I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
358
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Posted - 2012.10.10 05:45:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Xylorn Hasher wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:The downside is that you get called a sociopath by well-adjusted, contributing members of society, and then CCP continuously nerfs your playing style. All that CCP nerfs so far is hisec griefing. Which is no Piracy at all. Sure we suffer too due to mining barges change, but to be hornest a ship that costs 250m ISK shouldn't die to a single Thorax no matter what. Pirate's biggest advantage is our ability to adapt quickly. No matter what CCP do we will always find a way to play our style. Yes some of us are sociopaths, but tell me that popping 500m ISK worth capsule and collecting a floating corpse to do funny things with later doesn't bring a smile on your face! Oh, for ****'s sakes, another one...  Actually, by the classic definition of piracy, hisec "griefing" is very much piracy. (Well, you can't directly hijack someone else's ship yet, but check some of the exploits of Paul Clavet among others. There are ways, in a manner of speaking at least  . Or at least, there were ways. RIP, ninja-salvaging, you served well and with unswerving "honour."  ) Is EVE to remain a sandbox, or not? Which is it, because you can't have both: "You can free-PvP there, but hard-coded mechanics/rules forbid free-PvP here" =/= sandbox, it is a core element of a themepark, however carefully disguised. EVE, being the simplistic, ****-poorly coded, and increasingly clunky game that it is at its core, would make a rather lame themepark, and in any case there are many games that do that far better out there already. LOL The 'hard coding' does not stop you from ganking someone in HS...... It is still a sandbox. All the coding is doing is adding meaningfull consequences to your actions in a 'control''ed and patrolled' space. eg. if you are out in the middle of nowhere in a war and shoot someone there probably won't even be a question asked (null sec). If you are 'in the hood' of a downtrodden city then questions will be asked and penalties will be applied if you are caught in the act but after a relatively short period of time no body bothers about it but you may start getting a reputation as being bad (sec drops). But if you pull out a gun and start shooting in a city center then you will likely be hunted down and penalised/shot (high sec) get over it and stop crying. And yes i'm a privateer and enjoy a good gank from time to time.
It doesn't stop you yet. At the rate CCP seems to be going, hellbent for fluffy, craven little carebear cash, this might not remain the case in future.
But wait a minute, this already exists:
Pull GCC in hisec = guaranteed ship/module loss from CONCORDokken, plus heavy sec-hit, enough of which will eventually lock you out of hisec, and once you go blinky-blinky, makes you freely attackable --even pod-able-- by anyone in hisec, with you also being urp'ed by faction police. (They're easy enough to get away from initially, but dawdle at a gate, and they will make very short work of you.)
So why is all this necessary?
It's worked just fine since the institution of CONCORD, way back when.
This simply isn't needed. There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |

Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
269
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Posted - 2012.10.10 16:57:00 -
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Mrs Liverlips wrote: Looks like if I kill people in NPC corps it will lower my standing with their corp but that is a very small disadvantage correct?
suprised no one went into detail on this. This can actually have a significant impact if your not careful. Shooting and especially podding pilots in any NPC corp will draw a significant loss of standings to the corp. While at the surface this may seem inconsequential, there are some things to consider.
Don't bother grinding up standing with a corp that can house players in order to use jump clones. Don't plan to be able to use fw agents (for locating or missions) If by chance you decide to live a wierd lowsec pocket and you want to run missions, make sure you don't shoot ppl who belong to the corp you want to run missions with (this would rarely ever happen) Low-sec Best-sec |
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