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Marie Trudeau
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 17/03/2005 13:32:26
 Originally by: Sarkos
Given that slavery has existed for centuries though, and many of us have dedicated our lives to fighting against it, I as this of the Star Fraction. Why, after all of this time does slavery so appall you that you enter this war? Trust me when I say I welcome any ally against a common foe, however I do have to wonder as to your motives for your timing in this.
It has to do with freespace.
The extension of the vile and misguided practice of human trafficking and slavery into the realm of freespace demands a response, and must be stopped. It is nothing other than an attempt to export the bankrupt ideas of the Empire into freespace, and effectively convert that freespace to Empire slave territory. That effort must -- and will -- be countered. We must not stand idly by while freespace becomes slave space in effect.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:36:00 -
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As the hour of war approaches I give thought to that which is the Star Fraction. What is their motive? What is their desire? Surely plain "war" is not the only reason.
I am wondering in fact how such an anarchist organization can even "vote" for anything. Voting requires a sense of government and regulation that to me seems would be foriegn in the realm of the anarchist.
Perhaps we of Amarr have an opportunity here. While battling this alliance of evil intent we may be able to convert a few of their members to God's holy light. I am aware some Amarrians are among your ranks. While certainly they are confused and wayward there is hope for redemption and enlightenment.
I believe as the war evolves you will see the power of God and faith call out to these wayward Amarrians. Perhaps it will bring them home.
Archbishop
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:39:00 -
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"The extension of the vile and misguided practice of human trafficking and slavery into the realm of freespace demands a response, and must be stopped. It is nothing other than an attempt to export the bankrupt ideas of the Empire into freespace, and effectively convert that freespace to Empire slave territory. That effort must -- and will -- be countered. We must not stand idly by while freespace becomes slave space in effect."
What freespace? The location of the holder and the slaves proves this is part of the AMARR EMPIRE not some "freespace". Still pirates and lowlifes inhabited this region before we arrived. The CVA along with others have brought peace and prosperity to the area.
Perhaps in your arrogance you fail to look at the thriving commerical industry in that area now. Have you bothered to speak to representatives of corporations who once cowered in fear in Providence but now fly in relative peace? I doubt it for it seems your own idealogy of "me first" and anarchy has prevented any reasonable examination of the true facts. Instead you would condemn that of which you know nothing.
Archbishop
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Trudeau
The extension of the vile and misguided practice of human trafficking and slavery into the realm of freespace demands a response, and must be stopped. It is nothing other than an attempt to export the bankrupt ideas of the Empire into freespace, and effectively convert that freespace to Empire slave territory. That effort must -- and will -- be countered. We must not stand idly by while freespace becomes slave space in effect.
I expect that you'll be having words with the members of your own alliance who keep slaves, then.
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VaNessa Oney
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Claims have been made that the Amarr are a peaceful race, and yet history says otherwise. Your minds are deluded in your own rhetoric.
Amarr believe in peace and other ideals that belong to their culture, and they are willing to defend their way of living by combat and not ye old stratedy of talking your enemy to death.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: VaNessa Oney
Originally by: Ly'sol
Claims have been made that the Amarr are a peaceful race, and yet history says otherwise. Your minds are deluded in your own rhetoric.
Amarr believe in peace and other ideals that belong to their culture, and they are willing to defend their way of living by combat and not ye old stratedy of talking your enemy to death.
Again, they do not believe in peace. Yes it is a must to fight for your Empire as they do. However to be for peace, you do not set laws to affect other Empires/Republics whatever, that will obviously cause war. When one set of people says "Please stop stealing people and keeping them. Stay in your Empire and run your Empire". Then obviously they're not for peace. Otherwise, they wouldn't steal people, own them and not let them go free as they wish. If i'm wrong in saying this is not a sign for "Not for peace". Then please let the "Fake" Amarrian GOD strike me down right here and now.
-The Frig-
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: VaNessa Oney
Amarr believe in peace.
Peace? Amarrians? Those two words do not co-exist. They have no concept of what peace is. Nor do they wish to have. They are an agressive conquering race.
Take Discorp for example, he has forsaken his people, yet is he peaceful? No, he takes his pleasure in attending this summit and winding all the attendee's up. :)
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
Given that slavery has existed for centuries though, and many of us have dedicated our lives to fighting against it, I as this of the Star Fraction. Why, after all of this time does slavery so appall you that you enter this war?
On a personal note - I abhor slavery. I formed this opinion after discovering that the practise was rife in the Amarr claimed space and listening to Shira's eloquent speech delivered at Amarr Prime.
If it were my choice we would be fighting the slavers and repatriating or otherwise rehoming slaves as a permanent ongoing stratagem, however it is not my choice.
The Star Fraction is an entity that stands for freedom and sees promoting free-space as being the best route to that ideal. Jade constantly pushes us to be true to the Charter (( IC and OOC parts here )) as is our duty as owner-captains.
All claims made upon a person or their loyalties by a 'state' entity are a form of slavery.
We watched the CVA attempt to claim that their space was 'free' - but what price freedom? Acknowledging Amarrian sovereignty is too high a price for true, post-human free-spacers to accept.
I (and other owner-captains before me) had suggested in the past that we do something to combat this æland grabÆ by the CVA and finally got my wish when the very public ærewardÆ issue came to light. Selective breeding of post-humans and their trading as if they were crates of Starsi finally pushed a few more of us towards action.
Others more eloquent than I, have expressed our philosophy in various discussions around the current conflict and I trust they shall continue to do so. This reply is just my view of where I stand and my response to your honest query.
Jakk Graiseach
Owner-Captain of the Jericho Fraction
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 17/03/2005 14:25:12
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/03/2005 14:31:54
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
On a personal note - I abhor slavery. I formed this opinion after discovering that the practise was rife in the Amarr claimed space and listening to Shira's eloquent speech delivered at Amarr Prime.
Shira does indeed deliver eloquent, if sometimes misguided speeches. If you do happen to believe what she said, I recall that she has called for a non-violent end to slavery. So you obviously weren't listening that closely.
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If it were my choice we would be fighting the slavers and repatriating or otherwise rehoming slaves as a permanent ongoing stratagem, however it is not my choice.
I'll be sure to point that out to the slave owners in the Star Fraction.
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The Star Fraction is an entity that stands for freedom and sees promoting free-space as being the best route to that ideal. Jade constantly pushes us to be true to the Charter (( IC and OOC parts here )) as is our duty as owner-captains.
All claims made upon a person or their loyalties by a 'state' entity are a form of slavery.
We watched the CVA attempt to claim that their space was 'free' - but what price freedom? Acknowledging Amarrian sovereignty is too high a price for true, post-human free-spacers to accept.
What is freedom, without security? All that your philosophies offer is anarchy, violence and insecurity.
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I (and other owner-captains before me) had suggested in the past that we do something to combat this æland grabÆ by the CVA and finally got my wish when the very public ærewardÆ issue came to light. Selective breeding of post-humans and their trading as if they were crates of Starsi finally pushed a few more of us towards action.
I can assure you that the slaves in question are treated much better better than crates of Starsi. Trust me when I say that they are better off as they are than if they were "free" to indulge in the corruption which the pseudo-Gallenteans of SF wallow in.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 17/03/2005 14:33:24
Kuusa Sarkos
The primary issue for us is freespace. Slaves being awarded to an entity for establishing a mockery of freespace is a double insult.
We are not best pleased about either issue in isolation, but together they create an issue which cannot go unchallenged.
Hence, here we stand.
It is my understanding the slaves will be offered whatever treatment we can give, de-programming included if indicated, and allowed to do as they will.
We don't want to make choices for them, we only wish for them to have a choice.
Should you wish to discuss anything further Kuusa Sarkos, i direct you here
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad
The primary issue for us is freespace. Slaves being awarded to an entity for establishing a mockery of freespace is a double insult.
Just to clarify matters, the slaves were given to us to thank us for providing security in systems which are, and have always been Amarrian.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: The Frig
Again, they do not believe in peace. Yes it is a must to fight for your Empire as they do. However to be for peace, you do not set laws to affect other Empires/Republics whatever, that will obviously cause war. When one set of people says "Please stop stealing people and keeping them. Stay in your Empire and run your Empire". Then obviously they're not for peace. Otherwise, they wouldn't steal people, own them and not let them go free as they wish. If i'm wrong in saying this is not a sign for "Not for peace". Then please let the "Fake" Amarrian GOD strike me down right here and now.
-The Frig-
Seems to be that the Amarr don't need to steal wild specimen alot because they have enough stock to breed with already 
I also heard rumours that to gain fresh genes in the genepool it is rather easy to convince certain minmatar to come back to their natural state, which is to serve their masters.
The Amarr are blessed by God and by this blessing comes their natural ability to reign over the weaker and confused races such as the Minmatar.
War can only exist between equal races, in nature do we think it is war when we see a race dominate another? No, we simply accept it as a part of nature.
Why would God strike you down when you are too stubborn and ignorant to accept the way it is, the way it has been and the way it will always be?
Arrogance is not deserved for a race that is so easily dominated because of their nature. You could take pride in serving well and excel in what you are meant to do and accept what the kind Amarr do for your education.
This is not a hijack
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:42:00 -
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My words earlier have been further validated:
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The war between Tenax Incorporated and Curatores Veritatis Alliance is coming to an end. Tenax Incorporated has retracted the war against Curatores Veritatis Alliance. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
The internal matters of Star Fraction corporations are not my concern.
What I know is that an alliance that declared upon us has shrunk since declaring and even before war becomes active.
All the omens point to a definite conclusion of this foolishness that your declaration was.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
The primary issue for us is freespace. Slaves being awarded to an entity for establishing a mockery of freespace is a double insult.
Just to clarify matters, the slaves were given to us to thank us for providing security in systems which are, and have always been Amarrian.
To further clarify our stance Mr Blake. Empires are the worst purveyors of the thinking we are fundamentally opposed to.
Your clarification further underlines our purpose. It does not weaken it.
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jobe Katarn on 17/03/2005 14:43:59
Do we finally see the true reasons behind the "Spin" of this war?
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I (and other owner-captains before me) had suggested in the past that we do something to combat this æland grabÆ by the CVA and finally got my wish when the very public ærewardÆ issue came to light. Selective breeding of post-humans and their trading as if they were crates of Starsi finally pushed a few more of us towards action.
Maybe the concept is too simple for you to grasp,
The CVA have attempted to bring peace and security to this region, we ask for no payments , it is our duty to defend that which is ALREADY part of the Empire. We ask for no price other than the peacefull co-existence of races in this area. Yet the Star Fraction claim to fight for "Free" space. Whilst attacking those that have actually made an effort to meet this objective.
We have not "Grabbed" this land. We have pacified it from those lawless that would seek to profit from others. Is this the true aim of the Star Fraction? To de-stabilise the region so that the pirates, criminals and scum who used to frequent the area may return? Will The Star Faction patrol the area to maintain peace, will they spend time and effort assisting the residents of the area.
I doubt it, as I doubt your intentions are in the least bit honourable."Free the slaves your cry" and yet you have chosen not to aid the minmatar in thier fight. Free space and yet you would attemnpt to destroy the Freedonm we have bought to the area.
Go home gallanteans, go hide in your brothels and dens. When you are ready to seek true enlightenment we will be here.
We are about to see the two faces of the Star Fraction, one face preaches peace and freedom whilst the other, true face, shows the un-enlightened greed that we work so hard to overcome. I have more respect for the pirates we fought, at least they never tried to obsfucate thier real desires.
We Stand ready to defend the Empire.
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:51:00 -
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You people.
Humm shoot CVA or shoot Omerta.
That is the question , humm must ponder this for a sec.
Why not have best of both worlds :
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KhanJohn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:53:00 -
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I can assure you that the slaves in question are treated much better better than crates of Starsi. Trust me when I say that they are better off as they are than if they were "free" to indulge in the corruption which the pseudo-Gallenteans of SF wallow in.
Just like on SPCS/CVA sponsered station Prosperity where the Amarr were corrupt and sexually harrassed amarula!! as well as the Amarran Guards beating men to a living pulp just for crying in the corner??? as well as offering shady deals on slaves and then selling them on while all the time hiding the truth?? as well as owning properties in Gallente and Caldari space which were actually used to smuggle slaves about...
Yes Hooray! I will point out to people not all Amarr are mad fanatical religious types, i love my planet, i love my family back in hiding on Amarr primer in fear of their own deaths..i love every inch of soil that makes up that planet but i have no love for the society which the holders have spawned...
As far as i can see whatever the motive may be the CVA has a fight coming and while i was impressed by a lot of the arguments out of respect from both sides it comes down to one simple thing: You both think your right, The SF thinks slavery is wrong and i agree, and the CVA thinks the SF are attacking Amarran territory again i agree.
I agree deliverance has worked but at the same time it has left Amarr prime subject to frequent attacks from freedom fighters...and back then it gave me great joy to see a a fragile flower boom, i give the cva somethign they can promote peace and prosperity its just a shame that their fanatical ways dont allow them to see that holding another being captive is morally and ethically wrong, and i for one find it funny that on one turn we are burdoned with scriptures and rules telling us not to drink, take drugs, do this and that but on the other hand something that is so wrong used as an excuse to hold onto power and supremacy...
The CVA will now dismiss me as just a misguided amarran or call me a traitor and ignore me but hopefully one day amarrans will see the true light and thats is my dream...
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.17 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 17/03/2005 14:58:04
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
My words earlier have been further validated:
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The war between Tenax Incorporated and Curatores Veritatis Alliance is coming to an end. Tenax Incorporated has retracted the war against Curatores Veritatis Alliance. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
The internal matters of Star Fraction corporations are not my concern.
What I know is that an alliance that declared upon us has shrunk since declaring and even before war becomes active.
All the omens point to a definite conclusion of this foolishness that your declaration was.
Ha. If the quality of your intelligence is limited to basic corporate information and drawing completely erroneous conclusions from this openly available information, I would say the 'omens' point in a rather different direction.
You are being gravely misled by your sophomoric use of corporate listings, employment records and a child-like interpretation of cause-and-effect.
Possibly your superiors are less credulous. We shall see.
The Cosmopolite
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jobe Katarn on 17/03/2005 15:09:21
Originally by: KhanJohn
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I can assure you that the slaves in question are treated much better better than crates of Starsi. Trust me when I say that they are better off as they are than if they were "free" to indulge in the corruption which the pseudo-Gallenteans of SF wallow in.
Just like on SPCS/CVA sponsered station Prosperity where the Amarr were corrupt and sexually harrassed amarula!! as well as the Amarran Guards beating men to a living pulp just for crying in the corner??? as well as offering shady deals on slaves and then selling them on while all the time hiding the truth?? as well as owning properties in Gallente and Caldari space which were actually used to smuggle slaves about...
Yes Hooray! I will point out to people not all Amarr are mad fanatical religious types, i love my planet, i love my family back in hiding on Amarr primer in fear of their own deaths..i love every inch of soil that makes up that planet but i have no love for the society which the holders have spawned...
As far as i can see whatever the motive may be the CVA has a fight coming and while i was impressed by a lot of the arguments out of respect from both sides it comes down to one simple thing: You both think your right, The SF thinks slavery is wrong and i agree, and the CVA thinks the SF are attacking Amarran territory again i agree.
I agree deliverance has worked but at the same time it has left Amarr prime subject to frequent attacks from freedom fighters...and back then it gave me great joy to see a a fragile flower boom, i give the cva somethign they can promote peace and prosperity its just a shame that their fanatical ways dont allow them to see that holding another being captive is morally and ethically wrong, and i for one find it funny that on one turn we are burdoned with scriptures and rules telling us not to drink, take drugs, do this and that but on the other hand something that is so wrong used as an excuse to hold onto power and supremacy...
The CVA will now dismiss me as just a misguided amarran or call me a traitor and ignore me but hopefully one day amarrans will see the true light and thats is my dream...
As usual you are confusing holders with the CVA. I captured Amurula, I as a man of God I state she was treated to more respect than a terrorist deserves.
You, on the other hand, will rot in hell for eternity.
SF, you appear to have some inssues,
1. You want to free the slaves.
2. you want ot punish the CVA for "Freeing" and area of space.
3. Some of you want to fight UK.
Pick an objective. Try and stick to your own propoganda
I would suggest that you get focused, the CVA only have one objective and this we fight for, and will fight until the end of time.
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.17 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: KhanJohn
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I can assure you that the slaves in question are treated much better better than crates of Starsi. Trust me when I say that they are better off as they are than if they were "free" to indulge in the corruption which the pseudo-Gallenteans of SF wallow in.
Just like on SPCS/CVA sponsered station Prosperity where the Amarr were corrupt and sexually harrassed amarula!! as well as the Amarran Guards beating men to a living pulp just for crying in the corner??? as well as offering shady deals on slaves and then selling them on while all the time hiding the truth?? as well as owning properties in Gallente and Caldari space which were actually used to smuggle slaves about...
Frankly, that story smacks of another attempt at black propaganda.
I mean, the idea that Amarula might find any sexual act to be distasteful is juist ludicrous
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KhanJohn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: KhanJohn on 17/03/2005 15:26:09
even one as Amarula still has choice Rodj and there is a difference to doing something for fun or love or for money out of FREEWILL than being force todo something..
i am not confused i think golan even said he would have words with the officer in charge of the station over amarulas escape this implies that the CVA sent her there after sentencing which further implies the CVA connection to the station since the SPCS is part of the CVA, this even further implies the sponsering of said station by the CVA since YOU sent HER there! Confusing Maybe  but at the end of the day the link you now cannot break...which i think valdiates many claims of mistreatment coupled with the rediculous SPCS guidelines...
furthermore you have no clue where i will goto i might goto hell i might goto heaven i might just be dead when im dead...you ahve only yoru beliefs so dont force them on me...
anyway back on subject....
I hope the Star Fraction if they did managed to obtain the slaves will pass them onto us...
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Marie Trudeau
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Posted - 2005.03.17 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 17/03/2005 16:38:20
Originally by: Jobe Katarn
action.
Maybe the concept is too simple for you to grasp,
The CVA have attempted to bring peace and security to this region, we ask for no payments , it is our duty to defend that which is ALREADY part of the Empire. We ask for no price other than the peacefull co-existence of races in this area. Yet the Star Fraction claim to fight for "Free" space. Whilst attacking those that have actually made an effort to meet this objective.
*Marie Trudeau reviews Concord's alliance database file on her viewscreen, and compares it with the nonsense floating around Galnet*
"Curatores Veritatis Alliance [CVA]
Established on 2004.11.30 by Light Kominski
Executor Corporation: PIE Inc.
CVA claims following systems: 1-1I53, N8XA-L, R3-K7K, X6AB-Y.
The CVA "claims" parts of space that are not a part of the Amarr Empire but are instead free space. The CVA thereby spreads the Empire's "ideals" of slavery, domination, subjugation and dehumanization of other human beings to space beyond the Empire, only to turn around and claim that they are simply defending that which is already in the Empire. What nonsense! Clearly CVA claims space as its own, which is not a part of the Empire, and it seems likely that some of the Sebiestor 500, never mind other subjugated ones, will find their way into this space -- thereby spreading the ideology of subjugation, slavery and dehumanization beyond the boundaries of the Empire under the guise of providing security for Empire space. The rhetoric bouncing around galnet about CVA's noble goals of defending Amarr space is belied by the fact that CVA publically claims these non-Empire systems as its own, and of course spreads the bankrupt ideology of the Empire to these "claimed" systems.
Here we see the true goals of CVA unmasked rather starkly -- namely, not to provide security and safety and the like, as is advertised, but rather to extend the so-called "ideals" of slavery, subjugation and dehumanization to otherwise free space, and to make that space functionally and culturally a part of the Amarr Empire, even if the galactic political boundary remains drawn where it currently is -- in short to bring the vile practice of slavery and human trafficking to otherwise free space under the guise of providing security.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.17 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 17/03/2005 14:33:24
Kuusa Sarkos
The primary issue for us is freespace. Slaves being awarded to an entity for establishing a mockery of freespace is a double insult.
We are not best pleased about either issue in isolation, but together they create an issue which cannot go unchallenged.
Interesting. So the area of Domain and Providence that now makes up the Deliverance Corridor was free before operation deliverance?
Ill take this at face value then. Free therefor means 'rife with piracy and corruption with no contstructive trade whatsoever'
Thank you for clarifying that. I would, however, like to know which dictionary you are getting that definition from.
You do know that demanding that an area of AMARR be considered freespace is tantamount to declareing outright war on the Amarr Empire dont you?
You attack an entity who's only crime is to defend the Amarr Empire so well as to be rewarded by a Holder of the Amarr Empire. Its only crime is to bring the peace of God to a region that has not seen it since the introduction of Pod Capsule Pilots.
No matter how the Jerico Fraction spin handles this, they cannot erase one point. They chose to start this.
The Star Fraction created a crisis where one did not exist demanding that the CVA give them something that was legally a reward of the CVA. This is not 'negotiation' this is an ultimatum with itent to extort. Which of course the CVA would not and could not comply with. They then pressed forward and declared war upon a corporation that had done nothing but defend the Amarr Empire and improve the Deliverance Corridon.
In attempting to bring chaos back to a section of the Amarr Empire that had been orderly I fail to see how the Star Fraction can be considered anything higher than the piratical organisations that have already been dispelled from the region.
When one creates a crisis that leaves no options other than either fighting or surrendering without a fight that one leaves the opposition little choice.
We shall not back down.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jobe Katarn on 17/03/2005 17:09:50
Perhaps there is something wrong with your translator?
Within the proidence cirrodoe all citizens are FREE to come and go as they please.
Are you confusing freedom with anarchy?
We do not stop any citizen from any region. We do, arrest, detain and punish criminals and toerrosist wherever thee are.
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Solusar
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Solusar on 17/03/2005 17:43:58
So your saying CVA patrolling a region of 0.0 space and keeping it open for newer pod pilots is a bad thing?
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:30:00 -
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Who me?
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Solusar
So your saying CVA patrolling a region of 0.0 space and keeping it open for newer players is a bad thing?
I take it these new players you refer too are pilots out of the academies? If these players wish to take refuge amongst a section of space ruled by slavers, then let it be on their concience. They will not be safe while they seek the protection of that section of scum.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 17/03/2005 17:46:15
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 17/03/2005 18:17:07
Personally, I believe CVA has the right idea for freespace, but it corrupts it with Amarrian doctrine. While they allow free trade in the Deliverance corridor, their rampant abuse of humanity and twisted principles spread there as well.
It doesn't matter if the only people there before they opened the corridor were pirates, I in fact applaud them for the decisive action they took in flushing out these unsavory elements, and keeping the area clear for other pod pilots to deal with the lesser menace of True Slaves infesting the area. But I've said this before with piracy; it may be a grave evil, but it's not the gravest of all.
If the Empire wishes to continue to build their society, let them do it with their own people paid at an honest wage. If they want to expand so badly, then let it be by their own hands that the cities are built.
Slavery is bad enough, let alone the fact that not only are these people denied a chance of independence, that they are now forcefully bred like livestock. What the Empire needs to realize is that many of its traditions are set up to counter the flow of natural evolution. This news of forced slave breeding only cements that fact; and it's been proven that meddling with nature only builds up the inevitible.
When nature has been meddled enough, nature meddles back. And that's the closest thing to 'God's Will' that anyone still in their mortal coil can experience.
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