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Longsocks
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Posted - 2011.09.30 21:16:00 -
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So whats up with that, anyone in the states even aware of these demonstrations besides the folk living in the streets of NY?
What i wonder is the fooked up fact that theres demonstrations been going on like for weeks and the news up here in the antarctic is that "US Media goes silent of these demonstrations". |
Sugilite
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.30 22:18:00 -
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I've been hearing it everyday with ABC radio news including mention in Mike Huckabee's programs. Doesn't sound silent. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.09.30 22:22:00 -
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I've been hearing about it from friends, coworkers, almost every news station I listen to... to name a few. Hey, if they think it'll get results for whatever they want then all the better to them. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.30 22:56:00 -
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CNN and MSNBC websties both had articles updated in the last hour when I searched just now. Video, etc. Looks like it's fallen off the front pages since earlier this week, but it's still there. |
Detritus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2011.09.30 23:23:00 -
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Not so silent....
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"A lie can travel half-way across the universe whlie the-átruth is undocking."-á ~ Mark Twain (paraphrased) |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.30 23:50:00 -
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um it's all over the news... Been all over the news for about a week now. I heard someone try and compare it to the london riots for some reason... Still attempting to figure how someone drew that parallel. |
Citizen20100211442
Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.10.01 06:40:00 -
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They kept it in silence during first week, before decided its pointless to cover it up.
One Nation , One Race
One Folk, One Faith! |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.10.01 07:24:00 -
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Citizen20100211442 wrote:They kept it in silence during first week, before decided its pointless to cover it up.
Nodding agreement : Pretty much the above. You'd need to look up alternative (non-mainstream news) sources for these sort of news when it happens.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.01 07:34:00 -
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Citizen20100211442 wrote:They kept it in silence during first week, before decided its pointless to cover it up.
Sturmwolke wrote:Nodding agreement : Pretty much the above. You'd need to look up alternative (non-mainstream news) sources for these sort of news when it happens.
It's pretty sad anyone can google the topic and find articles from all the major media outlets every few days since it started, including videos of letting protesters speak for themselves through pictures and video on 9/17 (example, example, example), but it won't matter. Bloggers post some anti-media crap to get hits and all the little sheep looking for shepherds who will tell them they're not sheep, will copy/paste/reblog/twit/text/forum post it and convince each other it's true.
Makes me sad for the people who really find something worth challenging, but get lumped in with weak minded people like these. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.10.01 09:41:00 -
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Amused observation : Well, you sound pretty fired up over something.
Non-rhetorical question : If you want to bury something you dislike, but can't quite hide from the masses, how would you do it? |
Spurty
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.01 10:19:00 -
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It's 2011 gov, cat is always out of the bag, you just have to turn your head read about it from time to time.
Until the media itself steps up and gives testament that it was told to be silent by it's own, wouldn't beileve this allegation for a second. Just media whores stamping their feet a bit. I saw this story day one it happened on the free cable channel news.
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SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:32:00 -
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Lol I still dont know what you people are talking about... There was an article posted on CNN or MSN BEFORE it even happened explaining that protests were planned against wall street starting a weekend or so ago.
So there was a news story out about it even before it officially started... (Because the people "running" it were attempting to get the news out.)
Thats the opposite of hiding IMO.
Granted it didnt get much attention until people started getting pepper sprayed for no reason, but it did still get attention. Furthermore the way modern media works is no longer importance rather hits, and clicks by the people tuning in or surfing the web. The beast feeds off attention more than anything. Blame the folks who would rather hear about American Idol than corrupt wall street. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:57:00 -
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It has definitely been pretty quiet. I did not see anything about it until I saw an article on Yahoo Finance website 3 or 4 days ago.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:08:00 -
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This made me smile. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:09:00 -
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If I were a reporter I'd ignore them too. They look like they stink and they sound like tards in interviews.
What he is describing is a violation of the UCMJ. There are limits to what you can do while wearing your uniform. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:33:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:What he is describing is a violation of the UCMJ. There are limits to what you can do while wearing your uniform.
So you're saying we can pretty much guarantee the police will try and arrest them? I hope someone gets that on tape. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:52:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:What he is describing is a violation of the UCMJ. There are limits to what you can do while wearing your uniform. So you're saying we can pretty much guarantee the police will try and arrest them? I hope someone gets that on tape.
Not for UCMJ violations, no, since civilian police don't enforce those rules. But many police officers are former military and will be familiar with the rules governing actions while in uniform. They might very well be reported.
However, if they are interferring with crowd control operations then yes, they will be maced, and yes, they will be arrested and yes, they will be discharged. This depends on their actions of course, but fighting or or attempting to intimidate law enforcement while in uniform is a serious offense. They'd be well advised to go without the uniform and just wear a cap with their branch insignia. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.01 23:15:00 -
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Well i'm not sure if they're very concerned about being reported and punished after the fact. And these days just standing quietly in one place in a peaceful protest can be considered interfering with police, so it should be interesting to see where it all goes.
How long until the media reports on what happens, do you think? I can't even imagine how CNN and Faux news can possibly spin that, and if they try, we should all accuse them of not supporting the troops.  |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.01 23:49:00 -
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I don't think we'll hear anything about it because I don't think any major clash will happen. But if something does happen, I believe it will be a wash because you have two groups people sympathize with - NYPD and servicemen. It might make for a sensational video, but eventually the media will have to ask, "Wait, why are uniformed servicemen fighting with the police?" And then, the servicemen will be punished.
Crowd control is a legal action. They might not like it but it is. The police aren't randomly gunning down protesters in a murderous rampage. Tear gas and pepper spray to keep unruly crowds in check is an accepted practice, and protesters do not have a right to shut down access to a street or place of business.
They say they're there to protect the citizens, but they don't have policing authority. What they're talking about would violate the Posse Comitatus Act, but they're not even there by orders of their superiors. We're obviously not under martial law, so what they're doing is actually worse -- an unlawful, unsanctioned policing action against law enforcement officers.
These guys know they are breaking the rules, and I don't know anyone who would pity them for suffering the consequences.
I have a lot of problems with what they're doing. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.02 00:46:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Crowd control is a legal action. They might not like it but it is. The police aren't randomly gunning down protesters in a murderous rampage. Tear gas and pepper spray to keep unruly crowds in check is an accepted practice, and protesters do not have a right to shut down access to a street or place of business.
You're either unable to see things as they truly are, or are unwilling to.
'Crowd control' is like freaking doublespeak. What they want to do is disperse the crowds, and every method of so called crowd control is intended to do that. This includes, but is not limited to, marching forward and hitting anyone who doesn't move out of the way, and liberal use of teargas and mace on anyone within range, completely unprovoked. If any of the protesters actually do something aggressive then that gives the police carte blanche to use even more force against them, and the protesters are very aware of this.
This plays out time and time again, and it doesn't matter if you characterize the protesters as unruly. Things get unruly in the senate as well, and you don't see police breaking in to teargas and beat everyone. When the public can't have unruly protests without being attacked, then the public are no longer in control, and you can kiss your democracy goodbye. |
JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.10.02 02:18:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Crowd control is a legal action. They might not like it but it is. The police aren't randomly gunning down protesters in a murderous rampage. Tear gas and pepper spray to keep unruly crowds in check is an accepted practice, and protesters do not have a right to shut down access to a street or place of business. You're either unable to see things as they truly are, or are unwilling to. 'Crowd control' is like freaking doublespeak. What they want to do is disperse the crowds, and every method of so called crowd control is intended to do that. This includes, but is not limited to, marching forward and hitting anyone who doesn't move out of the way, and liberal use of teargas and mace on anyone within range, completely unprovoked. If any of the protesters actually do something aggressive then that gives the police carte blanche to use even more force against them, and the protesters are very aware of this. This plays out time and time again, and it doesn't matter if you characterize the protesters as unruly. Things get unruly in the senate as well, and you don't see police breaking in to teargas and beat everyone. When the public can't have unruly protests without being attacked, then the public are no longer in control, and you can kiss your democracy goodbye.
Unruly protests are not protests, they are mobs. We have a right to protest... peacefully. If the kiddies can't handle themselves like adults, then they should stay at home and keep whining about how hard their lives are when they've really come from a middle class background where everything was given to them. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.02 02:42:00 -
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You have the right to protest. You do not have the right to lay claim to a street and block access. You do not have the right to block a bridge. Your rights end the moment you begin restrict the free actions of others, and that's when you move or get the pepper spray. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.02 03:01:00 -
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There's video after video, which i assume you haven't bothered to watch, showing people peacefully demonstrating and abiding by the barriers police have erected in order to keep them from blocking traffic or anything, and the police walking up to the barriers and macing them for no reason.
You're at something of a disadvantage here, assuming how things are, and trying to argue with people who are actually monitoring the situation.
Who would you say is the aggressor in this situation? In order to have a leg to stand on at all here, you must justify the use of mace in that situation. I'll be patiently waiting.  |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:04:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:And even if they are blocking traffic, is that really justification for outright violence towards people who pose no threat to anyone?
Yes, actually.
Not all violence is bloody sunday, rodney king, and raping and pillaging then burning the village down. At some point you do, obviously, need officers to be violent to a degree if someone won't follow their directions about blocking traffic. If officers didn't force compliance it wouldn't be law, it would be suggestion.
Hell, if you try and stop me from going to work I'll get violent myself. Talk all you like about an officer in the wrong, but remember he's also between you and other citizens, too. If no cop stopped them and they filled a street, what would happen when a hundred angry motorists started trying to drive through them? You think they'd all play nice?
Get run down by a Wall Street exec in a tank of a luxury car with two body guards and his own legal team on speed dial, then complain to me about pepper spray and justice. 
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:14:00 -
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It's completely unnecessary violence in most cases. I understand the police are probably frustrated, but we should have people in those positions of authority who can restrain themselves. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:20:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:It's completely unnecessary violence in most cases. I understand the police are probably frustrated, but we should have people in those positions of authority who can restrain themselves.
lol 'in most cases'... you're sitting at home watching videos and seeing what you want to. You have no idea why any particular group is pepper sprayed, what they're trying to accomplish, or why or what their options were. You're just vomiting bias through your keyboard.
I don't even have to defend the police to argue with you. Assumption about events you have no understanding of beyond a short you tube clip leading to a strong judgement like 'in most cases' make you wrong on principle without having to approach if the police actually did anything wrong or not. Even if we find out later that guy maced the whole ground out of malice and loses his job, you are correct by luck, not by deduction.
Quote:Actually, i just remembered how that's part of riot police training: taking a person from a crowd and making an example of them to intimidate the rest. So i suppose it's not really a personal decision.
Citation needed. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:22:00 -
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I actually don't consider pepper spraying to be violence, and believe police are justified in using some force. But please, continue with your fantasy. It was getting interesting. |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:45:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:You have the right to protest. You do not have the right to lay claim to a street and block access. You do not have the right to block a bridge. Your rights end the moment you begin restrict the free actions of others, and that's when you move or get the pepper spray.
By the way, did anyone see the video of that guy who said his dad was a doctor and had all sorts of degrees and that Bank of America was taking their family home away?
Turned out the kid went to George Washington University, his parents pay $80,000 a year to send him there, they live in a $500,000 house, and owe $70,000 on the mortgage. In other words, if that lazy protesting bum got off his ass and worked for a year instead of making his parents pay his tuition, they could stay in their half million dollar house. God I hope that little douche got tazed.
Yeah them and all the faux hippies at the G20 stuff.
"Ahh sweet dude this pic of us protesting in gas masks is totally going to replace my water skiing in Nantucket pics on my Air book."
We really need to send douche bag entitled ass hats to 3rd world countries for a summer.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:48:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:It's not the kind of thing i can just find on google or something for you. If you don't believe me, that's fine with me.
I agree, and besides it's not a riot.
I edited out what you quoted but I was too slow.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:52:00 -
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You guys are unbelievable. These alleged hippies and entitled brats are out there standing up for something they believe in. Have you ever stood up for something you believe in your entire lives? TV shows and sports teams don't count.
Whether they're wrong or not, they're out there trying to make the world a better place for everyone, not just themselves. |
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