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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.10 10:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Oh, and with its skinner-box:y design, archaic mechanics, simplistic story and narrative, and its outmoded tech, WoW is objectively a pretty bad game. It's the Monopoly of MMOs.
Okay well all of those are matters of opinion, except the very last one, which is a technicality.
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Veschenko
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:03:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:
ALWAYS half assed , inception , cool boys wannabe videos that wows no one , and is mostly just a compilation of lucky kills.
TEST would like a word with you. So do I "MY BUTTHOLE!" We've seen THOUSANDS of them already. Its OLD, ITS REPETITIVE! Where is the comedy man? Is everyone brainwashed by MICHAEL BAY now?
Really love the way you use capitalization to emphasize your content. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:03:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay well all of those are matters of opinion, except the very last one, which is a technicality. No, they're pretty much all a matter of fact. You could argue that those facts don't make it GÇ£badGÇ¥, but then we run into the same argument as trying to claim that Alone in the Dark is a good movie in spite of making every mistake that makes a movie bad.
You could probably argue that WoW has merits asGǪ I don't knowGǪ a social platform, maybe? But as a game? Nah.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:06:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:yeah we needed an EVE Hell 2 for the longest time now...
Sequels are always disappointing. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay well all of those are matters of opinion, except the very last one, which is a technicality. No, they're pretty much all a matter of fact. You could argue that those facts don't make it GǣbadGǥ, but then we run into the same argument as trying to claim that Alone in the Dark is a good movie in spite of making every mistake that makes a movie bad. You could probably argue that WoW has merits asGǪ I don't knowGǪ a social platform, maybe? But as a game? Nah.
I'm not arguing that those facts don't make it bad. I'm arguing that those facts aren't factual. If you want me to agree, then you'll have to give some details on each of those aspects that you mentioned before, except the last one, because I'm not a game designer/programmer and wouldn't be able to understand anyway.
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Miles Parabellum
The Elysian Agoge
Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:15:00 -
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Christ, why do you people want to discuss WoW so badly? You're being obsessive and it freaks me out.
Anyway, I was at the threadmi... I mean work, seriously contemplating just sticking a gun in my mouth and pulling the trigger.
This video saved me. Thank you, Ivy! |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:18:00 -
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Yep 12 million (at its peak) wrong players
but the good news is, some of them saw the error of thier ways
now there are only 10 million players
OK so it has cartoon graphics, fixed roles and class restricted weapons
None of which make it bad
Just about every other MMO out there does it just the same way
A bad game is full of bugs, glitches and broken game mechanics
None of which really apply to wow, but according to all the many whiney GD posts eve is full of broken game mechanics
Take from that what you will
WoW is simlpy a game that YOU do not like
and in the greater scheme of things, you're just not that important, your opinion is irrelevant
and yes, there is irony in my last statement. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:23:00 -
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Are people really arguing about wether WoW is good?
Seriously...?
Nobody really cares and arguing about it makes you look a little dumb... just saying.
People who try to tell other people what to think don't really know what to think, if they did they would be content in thinking that, and simply let others alone, arguing about something suggests your open to another persons perspective, but it doesnt look like anyone is. so it's very much an excersize in futility. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:29:00 -
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The video was... okay I guess. EVE isn't really good as entertainment for a 3rd party.
Guess that makes me a WoW fan huh? How unfortunate. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:33:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I'm not arguing that those facts don't make it bad. I'm arguing that those facts aren't factual. If you want me to agree, then you'll have to give some details on each of those aspects that you mentioned before, except the last one, because I'm not a game designer/programmer and wouldn't be able to understand anyway. Ah.
Skinner-boxing is bad because it's the lowest form of GÇ£entertainmentGÇ¥ GÇö it's just a matter of tickling the reptilian part of the brain that gets triggered when you push a button and receive bacon. Tricking an autonomous system is a pretty sad substitute for providing genuine cerebral (or emotional) stimulation.
The mechanics are archaic because they go back to the outmoded class/level/XP design of '70s D&D and the wargames (and Chainmail) that preceded it. In the near half-century that has passed since then, far superior systems of character design and advancement have been created. It's easy (read: lazy) to design for, but that's about it. It generally offers no depth and little in the way of player choice and interaction, and this kind of progression also severely trips up the social aspect that could be seen as the main redeeming feature of the whole thing.
The story and narrative are simplistic because it's just a succession of Gǣbad guy over there, go nukeGǥ with a smattering of Gǣcollect 20 bear-assesGǥ thrown in for variation. Granted, this isn't all that surprising since it's not the focus of the game (or, indeed, any game in the genre because the genre isn't well-suited for it), but it's more of a fall-through complaint: if it had nothing else, at least a good narrative would save itGǪ but no luck there.
GǪand of course, the tech is old at this point, in terms of visuals and sound and world and server limitations and all of that. Age could be an excuse if other games hadn't proved that it's something that can be improved over time.
Monopoly is a bad game because of many of the same reasons: it's a roll-to-move, next-to-zero-choice, uncontrollably random game with ridiculously cheap components (lol paper money) GÇö the best strategy of the game is to try to lock yourself out of the game to avoid all the randomness, but unfortunately, this strategy is subject to random chance as well. Compare this to a modern game like, say, Space Alert or BSG or Twilight Imperium. Hell, even silly-random games like Talisman and Arkham Horror have managed to introduce a modicum of player choice into the mix and manage to avoid the whole GÇ£to win, don't playGÇ¥ aspect of many older games.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.10 12:25:00 -
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Thank you for elaborating. Here's what I think:
1. Sometimes people just want to kick back with a fifth of scotch and watch a Van Damme movie where the fake blood has more depth than the plot. Video games are no different. Sure, intellectually-challenging games have a lot of merit, but sometimes I just want to do a 63-hit combo in Killer Instinct while ripping off my shirt and yelling obscenities at my friend's mother. If WoW's bacon makes a person feel good, then that means WoW is successful as an entertainment medium. Calling one form of entertainment superior to another, similar one, is opinion. We're not exactly comparing EVE to Russian Roulette here.
2. The mechanics might be old-fashioned, but are implemented well. After you hit the level cap, your level and experience cease to matter since the gameplay changes entirely (more on that in the next point). The classes are (for the most part) interchangeable. What is "archaic" and "lazy" to some is "authentic" and "classic" to others. So once again, opinion.
3. This is purely a matter of opinion, and it will be as difficult for you to convince people otherwise as if you were telling them that one painting is better than another. Personally, I find the Warcraft universe to have an extremely deep storyline, which in fact centers on pretty heavy-hitting stuff like slavery, genocide, and racism. As I mentioned before, after you reach the level cap, the actual game opens up for you. The "kill 20 boars" thing is simply filler, which in fact can be skipped without penalty. Story and narrative are art, and there's no objectivity in art criticism.
4. I won't argue about this for previously-mentioned reasons.
I mean, you even called Monopoly bad because of its linear, chance-based nature. That's like telling us that the lottery is bad because it has a binary outcome and the only way you can play it is by buying a ticket.
I'm gonna go now, but I'm sure you'll have a nice reply by the time I come back in a few hours.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.10.10 12:47:00 -
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Making vids takes a lot of time. Most of us have lives. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.10 12:48:00 -
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Thread moved from GD to My EVE - ISD Type40.
ISD Type40
Lt. Commander
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2012.10.10 14:22:00 -
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why did this turn into a WOW argument ?
I thought the EVE Online crowd is better than that?
Since when did the community sink as low as to the COD vs BF3 kiddies argument level?
It is forbidden to kill.
Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |
Recoil IV
New Eden Renegades
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:12:00 -
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one of the most epic eve vid compilation i ever seen  |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:22:00 -
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Dammit ISD, please stop trying to foist these mongoloid threads off on my eve. I'm sure the thread closed button is much more fun to push. It's a win win for everyone.
As far as the video itself goes, when does the funny part start? |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:54:00 -
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Bacon button? Sweet! |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:41:00 -
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Hoarr wrote:Dammit ISD, please stop trying to foist these mongoloid threads off on my eve. I'm sure the thread closed button is much more fun to push. It's a win win for everyone.
As far as the video itself goes, when does the funny part start? This looks to me like a poor man's robot chicken, but without any humor.
devoid of any sense of humor I see.
It is forbidden to kill.
Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |
Sard Caid
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.10.11 04:44:00 -
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Stop complaining, start creating. Putting together video content is easier than you think. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.12 05:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Oh, and with its skinner-box:y design, archaic mechanics, simplistic story and narrative, and its outmoded tech...
You maybe don't realize that, but it sounds extremly hillarious from someone playing EVE.
Guess what, it doesn't stop both games from delivering.
Oh, nvm me, I was a bit late to the party. If someone is interested what I have to say on topic, then check my previous post ITT. |
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