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Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:24:00 -
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This is General Discussion so I thought I'd bring up a "General Topic"
Farming - I hate it. It seems like such a trivial waste of time. Newer games seem to pride them selves on "Farming" IE D3, or any traditional MMO. You reach max level, you do dungeons, get gear to do better dungeons to get better gear. I think that is why I enjoy eve so much, yes you can "Farm" but its not the main style of game play. There are many other things you can do. What I don't get is why so many people actually enjoy farming. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, that is farming to me.
tl;dr = Farming is stupid (ib4 Jim Era "Wat") A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:28:00 -
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Hey now. I don't like farming either. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:29:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:Hey now. I don't like farming either. Wat? It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
36
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:30:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:Hey now. I don't like farming either.
Wat? |
Kari Juptris
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:34:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, that is farming to me.
The random number generator disagrees with you. I don't like farming either, but you cannot deny that the reason people do it is because the RNG occasionally rewards them.
Mission running is a whole lot like farming, and you aren't bashing people for that are you? The primary difference is that with missions you get your reward in a steady stream, instead of in a lump sum every so often. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
563
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:34:00 -
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farming = hours of no thinking doing nothing and letting your trades make you money = a few hours thinking http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:35:00 -
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I feel your pain, and I am quite upset that you people are ruining the World Famous Jim Era wat!! Jim was the genius who brought us this GEM, let him have it!!
Now, since MMORPG's are in business to take money from gaming dorks, and it works really well, yes we are all insane!! What would you do in your perfect mmoprg to stop farming. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1053
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:41:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Jim Era wrote:Hey now. I don't like farming either. Wat?
Wave Action Today? Weasels Attempting Triathalons? Women Againt Thimbles? Weapons Attacking Trilobites?
ISK without farming: Buy a PLEX. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
883
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:47:00 -
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Instead of complaining could you give an alternative.
And if we were given a 1000 of every ship we would not get the shakes whenever we went into battle I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
BearJews
Secure Arms Trade Coalition Secure Arms Trade Coalitions
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:11:00 -
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it's a game of choices, don't like farming? Don't do it
/thread |
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Kunming
CyberShield Inc
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:24:00 -
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Yea farming is dull thats why they changing NPC AI in the first place.
On the other hand I always wondered under which category people fell who did the same thing repeatedly and expect the same result at the same time, farmers?
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:32:00 -
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I didn't want to be a farmer. I wanted to be... a lumberjack! "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2713
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:34:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:I didn't want to be a farmer. I wanted to be... a lumberjack!
Didn't wanna be a tough guy, wanted to be a dancer! "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:36:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:I didn't want to be a farmer. I wanted to be... a lumberjack!
...and when I grow up, I want to be a Road Runner. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
131
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:01:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Instead of complaining could you give an alternative.
And if we were given a 1000 of every ship we would not get the shakes whenever we went into battle
I wouldn't say I'm complaining. Its a observation in modern trend I see in video games. And there really isn't a fix. Griding missions is a little different cause the rewards arn't so variable. My issue is that Farming has become an acceptable form of game play. Making Farming an end game mechanic seems lazy.
bearjews wrote:it's a game of choices, don't like farming? Don't do it
/thread
Thanks for that advice, thank you so much.
edit: wat A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:47:00 -
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I don't get it. Farming is making ISK in the easiest, most formulaic, least time-consuming way possible so you can buy ships and mods and then lose them in PVP. Yeah, some people farm just because they want lots of money and more money and more money and pimp their PVE ship with officer mods but the majority of us are buying stuff just to lose it. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
146
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:50:00 -
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Farming. hmm what a strange thing. Back in the old days it was the way you put food on the table..... oh wait thats real life. Definitely not lazy either.
In game its seen as this horrendous play style. Frankly I have 4 accounts I pay yearly for by credit card and several others I pay by plex. Now farming isnt exact an olympic event nor is it the highest form of excitement yet it certainly "pays the bills" just like most people choose 9-5 in real life versus the World Series Of Poker in order to make their living. Ever wonder why? This means in real life most people are farmers, be it minimum wage or a higher salary. In fact salaries far outstrip contract or other bonus work in terms of percent of the working populations paychecks. Most people cannot handle the stress related to bill deadlines that are steady and ordinary so want income thats lower pay but also steady and ordinary. That this trend plays over into games isnt abnormal in fact psychologically its quite sound and normal.
People want dollars/hour so in game its converted into isk/hour paychecks. I put X hours in I get Y income out. Exploration and PvP and other styles of jackpot paydays can also, like Poker, become isk/hour if you do it long enough and steady enough. But with games, especially Eve where plexing accounts is a larger trend, steady incomes are valued by the gaming population. The biggest issues are nerfs or game changes that will change the "farming" paychecks of current players or reward certain types of players. Incursions, anom whoring, plexing, FW plexing, L4s, etc. The disparity creates miniature "gold rushes" into each new "job" as players look for better employment.
Now players who pay by credit card are subverting this need. They are the silver spooned, trust fund babies players who do not technically NEED an income source and so can live on the poker style large jackpots for a longer time. Then theres the richer set that not only pay by credit card but also buy and sell plexs so they can fund a much higher and grander lifestyle in game through other peoples earnings and incomes. This is often why people who think they understand X isk/hour income streams and who only dabble in them, casual gamers who will only enjoy grinding or farming for a few minutes at a stretch before sheer and utter boredom sets in and who feels entitled that they should be able to make billions in seconds without much work are abhorred at the idea that joe blow or sally sunshine can spend 4, 6, 8 or more hours a day at the computer doing X, Y and Z farming technique and through their elite mathematical skills can venture to guesstimate what sort of income these players are making. Often not realizing that in fact most of this steady income goes to "rent" and other "basic living expenses" just like it does in real life and theres not much left over for the funner stuff, nevermind not much TIME to enjoy it in.
So in game attitudes are much like real life ones in terms of work and what constitutes work or employment. And people wonder why people join null sec alliances and do the "bosses" bidding and in turn get the rewards of corporate and social inclusion into a select demographic and group setting with all of the intrinsic and extrinsic rewards for the cost of such inclusion they must "work" and are often rewarded with a little extra perk here and there such as ship replacement funds but for the most part must still do their own work to gain any income for next weeks big 'office meeting' or that company softball tournament with the company next door. Yet people quibble about the entrepreneurs and be your own boss types that enjoy doing something in game that few get to do out of game in that scary place we call the real world. Being your own boss is often the epitome of employment; you get to work your own hours and do what you want when you want to. Often there are less perks and many drawbacks, no dental or "health" insurance when that softball tournament breaks out in your backyard and your left with a bat to the *******.
So why do people wonder about farming and grinding so much in game? Look into the real world and invest some time to understand the psychology of what makes people tick out of game and youll see a lot of resemblance to the world inside the screen as well. Especially over time. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Josef Djugashvilis
679
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:12:00 -
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BearJews wrote:it's a game of choices, don't like farming? Don't do it
/thread
^^ This.
The whole point of Eve, is that you do not have to actually do anything.
Except pay CCP for the priviiedge of doing nothing.
Don't like farming?
Don't do it. This is not a signature. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
131
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:22:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:BearJews wrote:it's a game of choices, don't like farming? Don't do it
/thread ^^ This. The whole point of Eve, is that you do not have to actually do anything. Except pay CCP for the priviiedge of doing nothing. Don't like farming? Don't do it.
I know this. I'm just pointing out its a lazy end game mechanic in a lot of games. Instead of adding something new or worth while, like additional story, different classes, new styles of game play, new ways to interact. I don't farm in Eve, that is why I like the game and what makes it unique. Most modern games all involve a form of farming of a sort. I guess I miss the days when a game had a conclusion. instead of a end less carrot on a stick (Eve does that too tho). A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
456
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:40:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:BearJews wrote:it's a game of choices, don't like farming? Don't do it
/thread ^^ This. The whole point of Eve, is that you do not have to actually do anything. Except pay CCP for the priviiedge of doing nothing. Don't like farming? Don't do it. I know this. I'm just pointing out its a lazy end game mechanic in a lot of games. Instead of adding something new or worth while, like additional story, different classes, new styles of game play, new ways to interact. I don't farm in Eve, that is why I like the game and what makes it unique. Most modern games all involve a form of farming of a sort. I guess I miss the days when a game had a conclusion. instead of a end less carrot on a stick (Eve does that too tho).
Farming is generally in other games a means to do things with other people. Dungeons and such take other people to do at the end levels. The same can be said for EVE, with mining ops and group PVE (incursions). Farming becomes a social aspect of the game, which is the intended behavior. EVE though, tends to promote more solo play, encouraging added accounts instead of added people for farming.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
192
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:44:00 -
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Came looking for a new and exciting thread about agriculture. Found only a standard whine thread about (stuff). Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus. Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2012.10.12 21:14:00 -
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anything can be boring. i mean pong was the first pvp game...how manny hours can you do of that? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1574
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Posted - 2012.10.13 01:37:00 -
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Farming is fun in FW because people will try and get a T1 frigate killmail... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
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Posted - 2012.10.13 03:37:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:This is General Discussion so I thought I'd bring up a "General Topic"
Farming - I hate it. It seems like such a trivial waste of time. Newer games seem to pride them selves on "Farming" IE D3, or any traditional MMO. You reach max level, you do dungeons, get gear to do better dungeons to get better gear. I think that is why I enjoy eve so much, yes you can "Farm" but its not the main style of game play. There are many other things you can do. What I don't get is why so many people actually enjoy farming. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, that is farming to me.
tl;dr = Farming is stupid (ib4 Jim Era "Wat")
Good that you hate it. but eve is not about farming but grinding ! Grind grind grind one ISK here one ISK there :) |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
5
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Farming is fun in FW because people will try and get a T1 frigate killmail...
Hey, my l33t pvp corp only said I needed a 3:1 k/d ration, they didn't say how I had to get it. |
Feer Truelight
FEER ME.
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:55:00 -
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Farming is fabulous.
If you are busy in RL: 1st monitor: Lick asteroids in your Retriever/Mack 2nd monitor: Do whatever needs to be done
If you aren't busy in RL: 1st monitor: Do whatever you want to do in EVE 2nd monitor: Lick asteroids in your Retriever/Mack on your 2nd account
win-win situation! Killed by Brothel: http://i.imgur.com/WyR1x.png |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
165
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Posted - 2012.10.13 05:24:00 -
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The thing that keeps people playing in EVE is that losses are permanent. Imagine if you didn't lose anything when you died. You would end up back in the same ship you were in a station after being killed.
Now imagine what happens to the market, it would become saturated because the accumulation of items would exceed the rate that new players and characters are made.
Now imagine if you had everything and never lost anything. The game would become boring very quick and many veterans would simply quit the game.
Such a case is happening with WoW, you pretty much level up to the highest cap, get the best gear, get bored of raids, and pretty much quit until a new expansion comes out. You then rise and repeat.
This is a game where you have to keep moving whether it be farming, trading, scamming, etc. this motivates people to keep playing.
If you want to make money, the best way to do it is to try and learn new things. Alternate from one thing to another. Meet new people and find new things.
This game has no limitations to what you can do when you put your mind to it.
After playing this game for years, I keep thinking that I've learned everything this game has to offer, only to find that I am not even close. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
146
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Posted - 2012.10.13 06:29:00 -
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Soon Shin wrote:The thing that keeps people playing in EVE is that losses are permanent. Imagine if you didn't lose anything when you died. You would end up back in the same ship you were in a station after being killed.
Now imagine what happens to the market, it would become saturated because the accumulation of items would exceed the rate that new players and characters are made.
Now imagine if you had everything and never lost anything. The game would become boring very quick and many veterans would simply quit the game.
Such a case is happening with WoW, you pretty much level up to the highest cap, get the best gear, get bored of raids, and pretty much quit until a new expansion comes out. You then rise and repeat.
This is a game where you have to keep moving whether it be farming, trading, scamming, etc. this motivates people to keep playing.
If you want to make money, the best way to do it is to try and learn new things. Alternate from one thing to another. Meet new people and find new things.
This game has no limitations to what you can do when you put your mind to it.
After playing this game for years, I keep thinking that I've learned everything this game has to offer, only to find that I am not even close. I think you get this game imo. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
133
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Posted - 2012.10.13 07:05:00 -
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octahexx Charante wrote:anything can be boring. i mean pong was the first pvp game...how manny hours can you do of that? Man, I remember when Pong first came out. I got it the first week it was in store (I threw down a cool $100 which was a lot of money in them days) and the grandkids would play endlessly all day and night when we had them over for the weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
134
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:19:00 -
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Feer Truelight wrote:Farming is fabulous.
If you are busy in RL: 1st monitor: Lick asteroids in your Retriever/Mack 2nd monitor: Do whatever needs to be done
If you aren't busy in RL: 1st monitor: Do whatever you want to do in EVE 2nd monitor: Lick asteroids in your Retriever/Mack on your 2nd account
win-win situation!
Lick.....Asteroids. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
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