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Xorxos Ur Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.14 21:05:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, got my retriever for solo mining.... this changes a lot than Osprey ^^ I equiped it with strop miners I (later will upgrade to Strip miners 2 + crystal). Is there anything I can do to maximize yeld ? Both fitting and skills ? Or anything that I could do to maximize the efficiency of my new ship ? (I mine in safe zone for now). Tks, Xo
Xorxos Ur Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.14 21:18:00 - [2] - Quote Additional question: is there a way to avoid depleting an asteroid ? How to know when depleting level will be reached ?
Jonah Gravenstein Mahatma Cote Temporal Research 1612	Posted - 2012.10.14 21:38:00 - [3] - Quote No such thing as a safe zone in Eve, you can fit Mining laser Upgrades (MLU) to get a bit more out of it, but you definitely need to fit some sort of tank, a retriever is made of paper, the problem with the retriever is that it only has one midslot, so you have a choice, shield mod or survey scanner (great for finding how much is in a rock). if you go with survey scanner, fit a damage control in the lows. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid---
Malgaran Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation 3	Posted - 2012.10.14 21:53:00 - [4] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Hi, got my retriever for solo mining.... this changes a lot than Osprey ^^ I equiped it with strop miners I (later will upgrade to Strip miners 2 + crystal). Is there anything I can do to maximize yeld ? Both fitting and skills ? Or anything that I could do to maximize the efficiency of my new ship ? (I mine in safe zone for now). Tks, Xo Maximising by Skills is pretty much that you train to L5 all the skills that you learned to get into the retriever in the 1st place. Fittings of course are affected by your skills so the higher your skills are, the better your yield. The higher your skills, also means better equipment i.e. strip miner II plus crystals, Mining Laser Upgrade I or II etc. You could also try training for Mining Drone 1 or 2, but as the retriever has no appreciable tank, you put yourself at the mercy of even the weakest belt rats by not carrying combat drones. You can put a tank of sorts on the retriever but as you are wanting max yeild, you will not put one on, just like the other 99% of the hisec mining community. As to depeleting an asteroid, You can put on a Survey Scanner in the mid slot. Make a note on how may units of ore you are getting for each cycle of your strips. Note how many units or ore are in each asteroid. do the math and cycle your Survey Scanner after each cycle or every other cycle. When you see the amount of ore is LESS then your strips are puylling on each cycle, then stop, switch rocks and continue drilling. As to "Mining in a safe zone".... no you aren't... just sayin'
Sin Pew Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel 131	Posted - 2012.10.15 07:15:00 - [5] - Quote The few things you can do with mining barges and exhumers, is considering them as expendables as any other ship, many miners go emo about their boats but they're no more precious than others. With little to no effort you will make up the investment, fitting and insurance of your ship, so if you lose one now and then to random gankers, shrug it off. If you can't afford to replace the boat at least once right when you undock, you shouldn't undock in it. (of course you can always rat in a noob ship and work your way back up, but better avoid it) Now for the boat itself, don't bother with tank, mining barges are well insured and making enough profit to shrug off the loss of one ship is the best tank you can get on that one. To improve it's yield, you need mining to 5 and mining upgrade to 4 at least, so you can fit T2 strip miners and laser upgrades. To use crystals with strip miners, you will need the processing skills for the types of ore you will use the crystals on, like Veldspar Processing (train to 4 to use T2 crystals). Crystals take damage over use (T1 and T2 both), so you will have to replace them now and then, but they provide a significant boost. Now, to fit that kind of stuff and use it efficiently, you will need quite some fitting skills, to maximize the powergrid and cpu, increase the capacitor and its recharge rate, because these beasts are greedy. With T2 strip miners and crystals, without maximized skills, you might need to wait out the recharge of the capacitor just to activate the second laser on some ores (the rarest the ore, the more cap it requires to activate the laser) and if your fitting skills aren't really good, you won't be able to fit mining laser upgrades and might need to put in CPU upgrades or Reactor controls instead just to fit the lasers. So yeah, training the basics like engineering, electronics and such, is very much needed to make out the most of it. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."
Xorxos Ur Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.15 08:35:00 - [6] - Quote Thanks for your answers. I understand I must develop my upgrades and electronic skills. I was thinink of putting a co processor fit..... Not sure it can handle 2MLUs + Stip Miner 2 + crystals.... So in short what are the specific fitting skills needed to maximize powergrid and CPU ?
D4mane Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.10.15 08:42:00 - [7] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Thanks for your answers. I understand I must develop my upgrades and electronic skills. I was thinking of putting a co processor fit..... Not sure it can handle 2MLUs + Stip Miner 2 + crystals.... So in short what are the specific fitting skills needed to maximise powergrid and CPU ? Electronics and Engeneering increases your CPU and Powergrid. You should be able to fit all T2 with a CPU rig. And also Astrogeology increases mining yield.
Sin Pew Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel 131	Posted - 2012.10.15 09:29:00 - [8] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Thanks for your answers. I understand I must develop my upgrades and electronic skills. I was thinink of putting a co processor fit..... Not sure it can handle 2MLUs + Stip Miner 2 + crystals.... So in short what are the specific fitting skills needed to maximize powergrid and CPU ? You will want to have a look at EFT (EVE Fitting Tool), it allows you to fetch your character's skillset via API and then you can build fits out of game to see if they'll work. Then you can play with the skills and see the effect of training some of them. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."
Do'Mai BlackWing Cartel 1	Posted - 2012.10.15 11:21:00 - [9] - Quote Sin Pew wrote: Xorxos Ur wrote: Thanks for your answers. I understand I must develop my upgrades and electronic skills. I was thinink of putting a co processor fit..... Not sure it can handle 2MLUs + Stip Miner 2 + crystals.... So in short what are the specific fitting skills needed to maximize powergrid and CPU ? You will want to have a look at EFT (EVE Fitting Tool), it allows you to fetch your character's skillset via API and then you can build fits out of game to see if they'll work. Then you can play with the skills and see the effect of training some of them. EDIT: EFT can provide tons of informations on fitting for any ship, you simulate the ship before you buy so you have an idea how it'll perform, if you lack some skills, etc. You will also want to load up EVEMon to help plan the skills you wish to train. EFT will allow you to load the skills needed into EVEMon, so you can start working on building your skills up. Both are really good tools.
Robert De'Arneth 122	Posted - 2012.10.15 14:14:00 - [10] - Quote Just an FYI if you have to fit a co-processor on a barge, you need to take the week to get your basic core skills in order, you should not need a co-processor at all on a RET not with 2 T2 Strippers and 3 MLU 2's. Just saying.... You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Tech3ZH Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2012.10.16 02:27:00 - [11] - Quote As has been said, there are no safe zones in EVE...safER zones, maybe, but nowhere is 100% safe. Sometimes people do things they are not "supposed to" (shocking! ) just to be...difficult. Mining is ok, I guess, but there are a lot of other things to do in EVE too, of course. I understand there will be some changes coming to mining (sometime in the next year? - I'm not sure of the timeframe) that are intended to make mining more interesting. Fit a survey scanner (very useful) and a damage control module (DCU)! Better less ore and a bit tougher ship than a blown up ship and no ore, eh? DCU won't make your ship untouchable, but it will help.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 71	Posted - 2012.10.16 04:14:00 - [12] - Quote To maximize it you got to keep it, max yield fit, mine in mission, max tank it for regular roid belt and hope for the best, insurance if your belt mining.
Sin Pew Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel 131	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:34:00 - [13] - Quote Lookup Concord Police captain in eve-kill, add the ystems with catalyst kills in your avoidance list and never mine there, avoid systems with a high traffic and unless you do something horribly wrong, you should be able to mine afk for weeks or months at a time without seeing a ganker. Though some wicked ones might just lookup your name with a locator agent ... posting in forums can be funny like that :whistle: "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."
Xorxos Ur Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.16 14:50:00 - [14] - Quote Lol next time i'll use an alt to post ^^ Oh, and I don't plan to mine forever.... I mine because it's easy access for solo player while I decide what to do next and build more skills. Thanks for answers. Helps.
Robert De'Arneth 123	Posted - 2012.10.16 14:55:00 - [15] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Lol next time i'll use an alt to post ^^ Oh, and I don't plan to mine forever.... I mine because it's easy access for solo player while I decide what to do next and build more skills. Thanks for answers. Helps. Be bold, be proud do not ever fear and always post with your main. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Xorxos Ur Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.10.17 19:24:00 - [16] - Quote Hi, "The asteroid is depleted" with single hit of my strip miners 1.... is this because i'm in high sec ? Are asteroids bigger in low sec ?
Robert De'Arneth 130	Posted - 2012.10.17 20:08:00 - [17] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Hi, "The asteroid is depleted" with single hit of my strip miners 1.... is this because i'm in high sec ? Are asteroids bigger in low sec ? As a genral rule, you will get 2 cycles per roid after the daily update. If you are not even getting a full cycle, it is because someone already tapped the rock. EDIT: When picking a mining spot, anything close to hub will be over mined. If you are serious about mining, you need to be well away from a hub area. By well away I mean more then 6 jumps, and sometiems that is to close. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Sin Pew Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel 132	Posted - 2012.10.18 06:39:00 - [18] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Hi, "The asteroid is depleted" with single hit of my strip miners 1.... is this because i'm in high sec ? Are asteroids bigger in low sec ? General rule: the higher the sec level of a system, the smaller the rocks and the less diverse the ores (could have put a verb somewhere there... oh well). However, I have tried my alt's covetor in a .9 system though (long before the mining barges rebalance) and even with T2 strip miners, I've never depleted a fresh rock in just 2 cycles, so in that situation it might be because the belt has already been well used. Fit a survey scanner to your mid slots so you know how much units a rock has left. It doesn't really matter with T1 strip miners but with T2s, crystals take damage at each cycle and you want to avoid losing 3 mins on a rock that doesn't have enough units left for a full cycle. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."
Xorxos Ur Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:27:00 - [19] - Quote Thanks for answers. And to know the cycle of current laser, I should calculate it by testing it on a rock and counting, or is there a way to have this info somewhere ?
Sin Pew Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel 132	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:43:00 - [20] - Quote Xorxos Ur wrote: Thanks for answers. And to know the cycle of current laser, I should calculate it by testing it on a rock and counting, or is there a way to have this info somewhere ? Show info. Tells you the cycle duration and the volume of ore extracted per cycle on the strip miner, tells you the volume of a unit of ore on the asteroid. Then you only have to do the maths. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."
Yuna Talie-Kuo Laborantem Societatis Tribal Band 2	Posted - 2012.10.25 16:24:00 - [21] - Quote Skills for maximizing potential yield; Mining V Astrogeology V Mining Barge V (You'll need this if you plan to hit Exhumers, but IV is enough) Exhumers V (Assuming you do Exhumers, and the bonus is eh, so IV is OK) Cybernetics V (For those high end implants, usually IV is enough, optional) Mining Upgrades IV (For T2 Upgrades), V is you want to free up CPU for some shield tank modules Mining Drones V (If you even use them, but they do make a difference, but in your case, you'll want drones to shoo the high-sec rats off) As for your fitting.... Retriever (Yield will depend on what you mine, and what crystals you use) [High Slots] Modulated Strip Miner II [With Appropriate T2 Crystals] Modulated Strip Miner II [With Appropriate T2 Crystals] [Mid Slots] Any Shield modules (Assuming your upgrades don't eat your CPU) [Low Slots] (Yes, Laser Upgrades do stack!) Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II In order to not POP a rock, you can use a survey scanner (Very cheap). As stated above, subtract what's in the rock with your yield, and cut your cycle whenever you're almost about to pop it. There's my two cents. If you want to go even FURTHER, you'll want an Orca booster. Of course, that requires a second character entirely. I'll let you decide if you want that or not. (They can provide a solid 20% bonus to yield). I don't always do ****. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.
Dracan02 I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans 6	Posted - 2012.10.26 05:12:00 - [22] - Quote Yuna Talie-Kuo wrote: Skills for maximizing potential yield; Mining V Astrogeology V Mining Barge V (You'll need this if you plan to hit Exhumers, but IV is enough) Exhumers V (Assuming you do Exhumers, and the bonus is eh, so IV is OK) Cybernetics V (For those high end implants, usually IV is enough, optional) Mining Upgrades IV (For T2 Upgrades), V is you want to free up CPU for some shield tank modules Mining Drones V (If you even use them, but they do make a difference, but in your case, you'll want drones to shoo the high-sec rats off) As for your fitting.... Retriever (Yield will depend on what you mine, and what crystals you use) [High Slots] Modulated Strip Miner II [With Appropriate T2 Crystals] Modulated Strip Miner II [With Appropriate T2 Crystals] [Mid Slots] Any Shield modules (Assuming your upgrades don't eat your CPU) [Low Slots] (Yes, Laser Upgrades do stack!) Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II In order to not POP a rock, you can use a survey scanner (Very cheap). As stated above, subtract what's in the rock with your yield, and cut your cycle whenever you're almost about to pop it. There's my two cents. If you want to go even FURTHER, you'll want an Orca booster. Of course, that requires a second character entirely. I'll let you decide if you want that or not. (They can provide a solid 20% bonus to yield). i would be putting a scanner in the mid so you don't waist time on nearly empty roids, while poping roids with normal mining lasers is not a big waist the 3min timer and large volume being pulled by strips adds up very quickly.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 82	Posted - 2012.10.26 06:36:00 - [23] - Quote I'll add in that trying to tank a Retriever is pretty pointless, because as others have pointed out it only has one mid-slot. The Retriever's best defense against ganking is simply that it's really not worth it. They're cheap & easily replaced, so a ganker force will probably end up spending more replacing their own ships than yours should they go that route. So anyone who ganks Retrievers is doing it for kicks, not profit or even "hostile market takeover." It's just not worth it from an ISK standpoint. So that being said, just go for maximum yield and get your money back faster. A Mackinaw is a whole different story, of course. That you will want to tank, because it's expensive enough to catch the attention of gankers of all types and not just the truly idiotic ones. EvE Forum Bingo
Lyric Lahnder Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 111	Posted - 2012.10.26 13:51:00 - [24] - Quote My industry alt usually is packing a small c5 shield emergency overload, and his drone bay has hobby 2's. I tried doing a mining mission but the isk pay out is terrible and its not like the mineral you mine could be resold on the market. I think its just easier to mine your highest market value ore in what ever system your in. At least I've seen that tends to net you the most isk. Yes your more likely to get tracked down in a belt and get suicide ganked but just keep an eye on local and your d'scan and be aligned and you wont have a lot of trouble. Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

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