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Lord Byron	Posted - 2005.03.23 13:36:00 - [1] Hi , As many of you may know we¦re building TECH2 items on a rather big scale. We¦re a relatively small corporation and are allready running, in addition to our production, 8 POS. That¦s not very much considering the fact that our weekly component consumption is over 120.000 components making it a total of around 530.000 units per month. It was clear that agents would stop giving out TECH2 components at some point, so we started to work on a partnership-concept. Many will say now ; why don¦t you guys just buy what you need on the market, there are enough POS owners ? To a certain level this is true. There is another factor which will have a very big influence on tradeing in general which will make it very hard to organise a complete production chain without building it up from scratch - the highways or better, their absence. The new patch will create many ecosystems, almost completely isolated from each other. Sure, travel will still be possible, but what¦s a 2 jump hop now may well be a 15-20 jump voyage after the patch. Another point is the introduction of small and medium sized control towers which will have only limited usability.... We came to the conclusion that, in order for our production to funcion properly, the complete production chain (not for all components, but for a majority)has to take place in one single region of space. Anyway, this is what we have in mind. We¦re looking for small/medium sized corporations who want to enter, or allready are active in the POS industry but haven¦t found a way to make it worth while. Our business depends on reliability. If you think you¦re able to maintain one or even more POS and enjoy teamwork, this might be what you¦re looking for. We¦re offering : - Free POS package including all POS modules needed to start the mining process - The option to produce simple and/or complex reactions (big POS) - 100% sales guarantee for your moon material at a reasonable price - The security of a big community - Stepstone membership This is a care-free offer and without any risk of loosing your corporation wealth. Sure, depending what you¦re mining, the profit might vary. We`re very interrested in our partner¦s benefit though, and we will make sure that the profits will match the expectations. We know that this might not be the end of the ladder, if i got the expression right, but it sure is a good start and can be improved. If you are interrested, please contact me by eve-mail, or post here. Kind Regards LB N.A.G.A Corp \| NeoCom Site Lord Byron - Burnt Head Desire is most likely the shortest road to destruction - but who cares
Master X	Posted - 2005.03.23 14:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Master X on 23/03/2005 14:16:09 I think this whole idea of agents not dropping tech 2 gear totally sucks. Its going to drive up already inflated prices of tech 2 ships and gear through the roof. Say good bye to flying intercepters everybody. It seems that ccp needs to figure out another option to me. EVE has a very good economy that has lasted for a long time compaired to other games Ive played. If they can make this work without having all the gear and ships go through the roof,"More Power To Them" But I dont see it happening, this is a problem thats going to effect the whole game, not just the tech 2 builders.
Headlong	Posted - 2005.03.23 14:16:00 - [3] Hi, sounds interesting. We have a runnig POS. So we maybe could establish some business. I'll convo you later today... Greetz, Head Director - As[G]ard Schiffswerften Join Public Channel: ASW
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.03.23 14:19:00 - [4] I don't know if I personally think its a fantastic idea, but anything that helps to kick start more people to kill those moons is a good initiative. Good luck N.A.G.A --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.03.23 14:31:00 - [5] So all ther corp has to do is set it up and deliver the t2 goods to you once a week? ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.03.23 15:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Master X Edited by: Master X on 23/03/2005 14:16:09 I think this whole idea of agents not dropping tech 2 gear totally sucks. Its going to drive up already inflated prices of tech 2 ships and gear through the roof. Say good bye to flying intercepters everybody. It seems that ccp needs to figure out another option to me. EVE has a very good economy that has lasted for a long time compaired to other games Ive played. If they can make this work without having all the gear and ships go through the roof,"More Power To Them" But I dont see it happening, this is a problem thats going to effect the whole game, not just the tech 2 builders. I think it rocks, to be honest, because it a) nerfs agents slightly without actually detracting from their general appeal and b) encourages what NAGA is doing. Besides, agents don't drop that many components. And yet many are deterred from entering the POS industry because agents drop them and runners can undercut them. This way, more people will hopefully enter it full-scale and we might actually see a decrease in prices as real competition enters the component market, as opposed to a bunch of mission runners cashing out every once in a while.
Vigilant	Posted - 2005.03.23 15:09:00 - [7] When Reactors are about 30k each I will believe it...until then....I believe NERFING agents drops is a bad thing...IMHO...Only hurts the small producer... I applaud NAGA for starting this up... They are force to be reckon with in the T2 Market...And this idea will hopefully bring price on COMPs down..
Lord Byron	Posted - 2005.03.23 15:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Lord Byron on 23/03/2005 15:52:46 Originally by: Shin Ra So all ther corp has to do is set it up and deliver the t2 goods to you once a week? Yes, in fact that¦s it ... almost. The idea behind all this is to produce a wide range of components. This means that, depending which type of POS you¦re running, we would like you to run a simple or advanced reaction. Let¦s face it, production IS work, no matter at which level it¦s beeing done. You have to fuel the station regularly, you have to empty the silos and you have to change the diapers when it makes bubu That doesn¦t mean though that you would be occupied all day long hauling fuel. In most cases it¦s enough to visit it once a week to refuel it. But yeah, if you have multiple POS running, this can be quite a lot of hassle. Long answer to a simple question... sorry N.A.G.A Corp \| NeoCom Site Lord Byron - Burnt Head Desire is most likely the shortest road to destruction - but who cares
Jacque Custeau	Posted - 2005.03.23 16:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 23/03/2005 16:34:30 I would be interested in setting up a Caladari POS with 3 reactors. I have the resources to purchase the equipment and perhaps 2 weeks of fuel. After that it would have to start paying for itself
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2005.03.23 17:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Jacque Custeau Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 23/03/2005 16:34:30 I would be interested in setting up a Caladari POS with 3 reactors. I have the resources to purchase the equipment and perhaps 2 weeks of fuel. After that it would have to start paying for itself Post with your main sal. I might get in on this project too...talking with the boys aboot it.... C.H.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2005.03.23 18:06:00 - [11] Edited by: Marcus Grisbius on 23/03/2005 18:09:31 We're harvesting moon ores and preparing for multiple reactions with current stations. How would the sales of the products work and would you provide the ores to react for the stations or is that up to the POS owners? Also are you willing to buy from non-partners and what level of product (ie. raw material, processed, advanced or T2 comp) would you accept purchasing? EDIT: Oh and wouldn't a caldari tower with 3 reactors max out your cpu. Where are you going to place silos.... Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.03.23 18:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Vigilant When Reactors are about 30k each I will believe it...until then....I believe NERFING agents drops is a bad thing...IMHO...Only hurts the small producer... I applaud NAGA for starting this up... They are force to be reckon with in the T2 Market...And this idea will hopefully bring price on COMPs down.. Do shut up. At current market rates, due to running costs of harvesting moons, reactors will NEVER reach 30k. Heck, even with small towers the prices won't come down that low and why the hell should they? I bet you also want NPC's to sell minerals at stated NPC cost, too, don't you?
Jacque Custeau	Posted - 2005.03.23 19:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Marcus Grisbius EDIT: Oh and wouldn't a caldari tower with 3 reactors max out your cpu. Where are you going to place silos.... Aren't there anchorable cpu enhancers?
Percivs	Posted - 2005.03.23 21:39:00 - [14] These are my personal opinions I encourage all corporations to consider this, or other projects similar to it. I am more than happy to vouch for the good will of Lord Byron and NAGA. Good guys, and they have "brand recognition" which should help them move forward with this project. This doesn't mean go in with your eyes closed. But with the upcoming changes, the possibility that POS's will become more profitable is very likely. Evaluate the potential, and dive in. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
The Reporter	Posted - 2005.03.23 23:19:00 - [15] Remove your POS in PF-346 or suffer the consequences
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.03.23 23:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Ticondrius on 23/03/2005 23:32:24 Shaded Moon Inc. will take N.A.G.A. up on that offer. My only question is do you have moons pre-surveyed? If not, that's cool, we have survey data for a few systems already, and I can survey more. What region do you plan to do this in? You can contact me in-game via evemail or convo if you like whenever I'm online. "If I'm brutally honest and it offends you, that's not my fault." (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Skelator	Posted - 2005.03.24 00:36:00 - [17] This is the part that scares me!!!!! - 100% sales guarantee for your moon material at a reasonable price So by doing this you will drive the prices of type 64 moon materials such as Promethium below 10k each? Not good for the markets IMHO But just my 2@ They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Treebeard dk	Posted - 2005.03.24 00:47:00 - [18] POS up and running, harvesting cromium, looking for a sales parther alright. The Black Widows
FZappa	Posted - 2005.03.24 10:08:00 - [19] Edited by: FZappa on 24/03/2005 10:09:58 Originally by: Skelator So by doing this you will drive the prices of type 64 moon materials such as Promethium below 10k each? people pay 10k each for basic minerals !? i hate to start calculating what the advanced materials made from these will cost . anyway , someone who has the time and skill to set up and operate a POS will not require n.a.g.a to help finance the initial investment . 250-300mil isnt alot of isk . good luck never the less. -------------------------
Skelator	Posted - 2005.03.25 00:46:00 - [20] Edited by: Skelator on 25/03/2005 00:49:49 Originally by: FZappa Edited by: FZappa on 24/03/2005 10:09:58 Originally by: Skelator So by doing this you will drive the prices of type 64 moon materials such as Promethium below 10k each? people pay 10k each for basic minerals !? i hate to start calculating what the advanced materials made from these will cost . anyway , someone who has the time and skill to set up and operate a POS will not require n.a.g.a to help finance the initial investment . 250-300mil isnt alot of isk . good luck never the less. This cutting is borrowed from another posters thread. Pretty much sums up the prices Kudos to him. Promethium is considered the "Megacyte" of moon materials. accept this is far from a perfect price guide but i would like to think its a good start. Atmos. gas, evap. depos, hydrocarbons and silicates - 1300 cobalt, scandium, titanium, tungsten - 1900 cadmium, chromium, platinum, vanadium - 3500 caesium, hafnium, mercury, technetium - 7500 dysprosium, neodymium, promethium, thulium - 10000 isk each carbon poly, ceram.powder,sil.diborate, sulfuric acid - 1300 crys alloy, fern.alloy, rol.thung alloy, titan.chrom - 2700 hexite - 3500 caesium cad, plat. tech, vanadium haf.,solerium - 5500 hyperfluerite, prometium - 6750 neo mercurite, dysporite, ferrofluid - 8750 fluxed condensates - 10000 crystaline carbonite - 80 fernite carbide - 80 titanium carbide - 80 tungsten carbide - 80 sylramic fibers - 160 fullerides - 283.33 phenolic composites - 683.33 nanotransistors - 1295.83 hypersynaptic fibers - 2666.67 ferrogel - 8583.33 fermionic condensates - 20666.67 They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
FZappa	Posted - 2005.03.25 08:59:00 - [21] from a quick visit to yulai , some of these prices seem to be grossly outdated already. you could find platinum and tungsten at 1-1.2k in large quantities already . the prices will only drop once agent rewards change (i assume not many people will jump on the POS wagon even now , purely because its a job to operate and this is still a game.. ) -------------------------
Dashi	Posted - 2005.03.25 13:54:00 - [22] I have a large supply of neodymium, im getting ready to go to work, but, Lord Byron, eve mail me if your intrested in 15,000+ units
Strikeman	Posted - 2005.03.26 00:51:00 - [23] We're not meant to just "buy sell and forget about it mate". It's more a working together thingie we are trying to establish here ;-) thx for the offer though, but we have loads of neodynium already :-\| -- NAGAmazon webshop ISK is not your goal.
Oron	Posted - 2005.03.26 22:06:00 - [24] sounds like a great idea! i will convo you LB, I realy need min 4 POS :)
Lord Byron	Posted - 2005.03.27 15:36:00 - [25] OMG ORON :) I haven¦t seen you for month :) or have you bought the character? N.A.G.A Corp \| NeoCom Site Lord Byron - Burnt Head Desire is most likely the shortest road to destruction - but who cares

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