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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:37:00 -
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So those of us who are older remember Midna, the Gallente (I think) pop star/sani sabik sympathizer.
Aside from her, I've never seen reference to other musicians in Eve. No rock bands, pop bands, DJs....nothing. What do you all think musicians across the cluster are like?
Do the Caldari have a pseudo K-Pop band like BIG BANG or some counter culture rock band that's borderline illegal in their musings?
Do the Gallenteans have a cluster renowned and worshiped singer like Stefani Germanotta who pushes the border with the extreme and eccentric nuances of stage performance?
Do the Minmatar have heavy metal bands like Ensiferum or Amon Amarth singing about the glorious days of Matar Warriors of old fighting for their respective tribes?
Do the Amarr just ban music unless it's religious? |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:39:00 -
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Amarr seems like they'd have many skilled classical composers and produce a lot of hymns.
Gallente would definately be more pop oiented
Minmatar might have some tribal music, as well as pop, due to there relations with the gallente (hip-hop and maybe even rap?)
Caldari not so sure but it'll be either what they're told to listen too, or the opposite as you say. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.10.17 15:02:00 -
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Seeing as how Caldari are a combination of Finnish (Bards) and Japanese (largest music consumers in the modern world), I'd argue for a rich, and diverse, music tradition in the State..
It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.17 15:57:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Seeing as how Caldari are a combination of Finnish (Bards) and Japanese (largest music consumers in the modern world), I'd argue for a rich, and diverse, music tradition in the State.. Probably lots of harps, stringed instruments, chimes and woodwinds or flute like instruments.. Drums in the more martial influenced pieces.. Oh, and lots of Karaoke in their bars..  Loudness comes to mind from my own youth... The Gallente like to think of themselves as the leading edge in cultural expression and entertainment, but they got nothing on us... NOH!
In that case, I wonder if Caldari pop would sound like this then? Interesting... |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.10.17 16:50:00 -
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Yep, I'd say your spot on with that! And a damn fine example...
It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.10.18 01:24:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Yep, I'd say your spot on with that! And a damn fine example...
Given my English speaking background, you can almost imagine that it's a caldanese singer... almost!
Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home.
-Cold Wind |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:48:00 -
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Sharon Apple - Idol Talk
I can almost picture a gallente teenage girl singing along to this song while going about her shopping spree. |
LOL56
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.10.18 09:14:00 -
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IIRC RoXor is mention as a band in one of the books, during a CONCORD inner circle meeting. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.18 11:46:00 -
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As the author of the Midna arc waaaay back when, I do recall some of the other of the musicians mentioned in EVE lore.
First, there's Amelia Piroette, a Gallente folksinger who was mentioned during the Criliere Scientist arc. You can find out more about her here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amelia_Piroette
Second, there was a Gallente rock band named Starved Fedo that was utilized in a few AURORA events and may have been mentioned in a few news articles. Their lead singer had the stage name Halo Axegrinder.
There are probably a few others mentioned from time to time through news articles and in sources such as the Chronicles and E-ON, but they're not anything I recall off the top of my head.
CCP Eterne | Community Representative
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:20:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:As the author of the Midna arc waaaay back when, I do recall some of the other of the musicians mentioned in EVE lore. First, there's Amelia Piroette, a Gallente folksinger who was mentioned during the Criliere Scientist arc. You can find out more about her here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amelia_PiroetteSecond, there was a Gallente rock band named Starved Fedo that was utilized in a few AURORA events and may have been mentioned in a few news articles. Their lead singer had the stage name Halo Axegrinder. There are probably a few others mentioned from time to time through news articles and in sources such as the Chronicles and E-ON, but they're not anything I recall off the top of my head.
Wait, you wrote the Midna arc??? |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.18 13:03:00 -
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Yes. I used to be a member of ISD Mercury before being hired as part of the Community team. The Midna arc was one of the many things I worked on back then.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.18 13:13:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Yes. I used to be a member of ISD Mercury before being hired as part of the Community team. The Midna arc was one of the many things I worked on back then.
You have all of my respect D:. Do you plan to continue working on immersion stories like Midna's?? |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.18 13:16:00 -
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I'm glad you liked the arc. I can't really comment on what I'm going to be doing in the future as it comes to backstory stuff.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.10.19 04:01:00 -
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The voice of "Aura" was a singer/musician I believe.
I don't remember the name off hand...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aura
Quote:is voiced by Excena Foer, a Gallente entertainer and poet.[1] Her personality is noted for being dry and slightly black-humored, earning her the affection of the capsuleer class.
Guess it was a poet...
Where I am. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Soltueur Company
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:31:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Seeing as how Caldari are a combination of Finnish (Bards) and Japanese (largest music consumers in the modern world), I'd argue for a rich, and diverse, music tradition in the State.. Probably lots of harps, stringed instruments, chimes and woodwinds or flute like instruments.. Drums in the more martial influenced pieces.. Oh, and lots of Karaoke in their bars.. Loudness comes to mind from my own youth... The Gallente like to think of themselves as the leading edge in cultural expression and entertainment, but they got nothing on us... NOH!
Pah, I know we're all allowed our own interpretations of the PF, but I'm going to disagree!  (does already say the Gallente are the leading folks in entertainment anyway)
Modern Japan is heavily Westernized, and its pop culture aesthetics go against what we know of the Caldari to be a 'cold and ruthless society' (by our standards). I mean, can you imagine the whole 'kawaii' thing in the militaristic and martial State of all places?
If anything it'd probably be Raata-era stuff, whatever that entails. Anyone's guess is as good as mine. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:12:00 -
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You can be sure the Caldari "learned" some "tricks" by simple association with the Gallente.. Westernized, so to speak.. We are very quick on the uptake.. You place far too much stock in stereotyping, Inhonores haan.. There are many outlooks in Caldari society, not just provists...
It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
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Posted - 2012.10.22 19:01:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Yep, I'd say your spot on with that! And a damn fine example... When I think Minmatar..  Rammstein- Du Hast... But, Accept or Krokus or Yngwie Malmsteen is more my style..
Yes, Minmatar listen to Rammstein, and also viking metal!  |
Asylum Seaker
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Posted - 2012.10.25 09:47:00 -
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I associate Minmatar with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WkrE3EJFCs
Quote:Travelling Through The Time
Moving Slowly In The Sand
Knowledge Is The Weapon
Against The Hunger In The Land
Solitude Met Herself
Lessons From The Primal Step
Memories From An Ending Life
Liars Can't Stop The Tribes
Nomad, Nomad, Nomad, Nomad
Brother Is The Son Of ****
The Blood That Once United
Wanna Choose The Way They Die
Look Inside Their Minds
(echoes In The)
Actual Tribe No Longer Sounds
The Ancient Teachings Fails
Movement Of My Culture
My Beliefs Have No More Tales
Who Are You To Criticize
To Judge And Burn The Tribes
The World Will Be Extinct
And Your Flesh Will Rot With Mine
Nomad, Nomad, Nomad, Nomad
And besides, that solo sounds just like ammarian ships being torn apart by autocannon fire.
Embrace the rebel archetype. |
Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
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Posted - 2012.10.25 10:21:00 -
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i suspect some of the more traditional caldari pieces songs have similar sound to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0abFCRcayk (finnish folk songs) and its vocal harmonics combined with more traditional japanese instrumental music. latter of those two im not that familiar with aside from few samples from youtube. but i can kind of imagine the similar style in older Caldari songs aswell as achuran which i think is more leaning towards japanese heritage and culture than civire and deteis which might be leaning towards more finnish culture.
but well these are my thoughts on the topic and could propably use some more refinement |
Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:34:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:i suspect some of the more traditional caldari pieces songs have similar sound to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0abFCRcayk (finnish folk songs) and its vocal harmonics combined with more traditional japanese instrumental music. latter of those two im not that familiar with aside from few samples from youtube. but i can kind of imagine the similar style in older Caldari songs aswell as achuran which i think is more leaning towards japanese heritage and culture than civire and deteis which might be leaning towards more finnish culture. but well these are my thoughts on the topic and could propably use some more refinement
Would it be fair to say that hearing that language would give a very slight taste of what caldanese would sound like?
Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home.
-Cold Wind |
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Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
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Posted - 2012.10.27 19:00:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Would it be fair to say that hearing that language would give a very slight taste of what caldanese would sound like?
well what ive figured from the Napanii primer from thats been used for reference in caldari language for a while now in backstage and here. (which you can find by googling "Napanii primer") the vocals are a lot similar to finnish combined with japanese languages use of syllables.
i find it something of a shame that our Japanese friends haven't taken up EVE fiction same manner as most since id love to figure it out more with someone that's familiar with traditional songs, poems and stories and do something of a comparison between the two to see if we could find parallels in the Napanii primer. since what Ive understood Japanese doesn't have the suffix structures that are so flexible that they can change meanings of most words very easily, which makes Finnish so bloody difficult language (its fairly hard for even us native speakers)
that last bit might be over-thinking or over-analysis on my part :) |
Ashlar Vellum
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:05:00 -
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Quote:Do the Amarr just ban music unless it's religious?
Well not ban it, but is not so popular if it isn't religious.(read about that somewhere on evewiki)
I think folk music could be pretty popular in the Empire, like Peter Paul and Mary or something similar. On the other hand they would probably got 86'ed by the Theology Council for some of their songs. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2012.11.04 14:06:00 -
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In the EvE universe, and especially in the subculture of Pod-pilots, I can certainly imagine a band like Disaster Area to exist.
I would even buy a ticket!
And then watch the show in an over-tanked Abaddon from orbit.....
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:57:00 -
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The Amarr do not ban non-religious music, but as mentioned, it's a matter of popularity. Certain topics would also be considered taboo among the Amarr (sex, drugs, and rock n roll are right out).
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:42:00 -
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CCP have often mentioned that the sound and music in EVE eventually needs to be looked at. Would racial music be a possibility? Even without lyrics?
Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home.
-Cold Wind |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:41:00 -
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It certainly sounds like a cool idea.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:42:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:It certainly sounds like a cool idea.
So when's your first hit single coming out then?
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:46:00 -
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It's a funny thing...
Back when I was doing the Midna story arc, one of the other Mercury dudes was like "Oh, hey, I know a really good singer and I bet I could convince her to record a song for us to release" and I was like "Hell yes!" but then it fell through for various reasons.
As for me, you wouldn't want to hear me sing. At my best, I am an out-of-tune Brian Molko.
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Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
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Posted - 2012.11.07 22:28:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:Tavin Aikisen wrote: Would it be fair to say that hearing that language would give a very slight taste of what caldanese would sound like? well what ive figured from the Napanii primer from thats been used for reference in caldari language for a while now in backstage and here. (which you can find by googling "Napanii primer") the vocals are a lot similar to finnish combined with japanese languages use of syllables. i find it something of a shame that our Japanese friends haven't taken up EVE fiction same manner as most since id love to figure it out more with someone that's familiar with traditional songs, poems and stories and do something of a comparison between the two to see if we could find parallels in the Napanii primer. since what Ive understood Japanese doesn't have the suffix structures that are so flexible that they can change meanings of most words very easily, which makes Finnish so bloody difficult language (its fairly hard for even us native speakers) that last bit might be over-thinking or over-analysis on my part :)
I'm not Japanese, but I'm a 'Japanophile' who studied the language and traditional culture and lived in the country a few years. True, Japanese nouns don't change as they do in Western languages. There's not much emphasis on changing nouns depending on whether it is the subject, or the object or singular or plural. The verbs do change, depending on the meaning to be expressed. For example:
-taberu - to eat/will eat [in the future]
-tabeta - ate
-tabete iru - is eating
-taberareru - to be eaten/will be eaten
-tabesaseru - to be made to eat (to be fed) /will be made to eat (fed)
That verb endings are about the extend of the difficult grammar rules. As you said, it's a very flexible language. In fact, the flexibility can make it a little vague and imprecise. Which is the way Japanese culture tends to like things to be.  But on the other hand, the language is very expressive, because it has a huge lexicon of very subtle and nuanced adjectives and nouns. Explaining what a single Japanese word conveys might take a whole sentence in English.
Anyway, sorry to ramble on about a favorite topic. If you want to do some comparisons on Finnish and Japanese language and music, let me know. I know nothing at all of Finnish and I'm just a foreignor who studied Japanese as a foreignor, but I'll contribute what I can. |
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